Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
[mike.a.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/blogs/elizabeth-k-joseph1/2020/05/12/linuxone-open-source-report

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-12 Thread Mike Schwab
https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/blogs/elizabeth-k-joseph1/2020/05/12/linuxone-open-source-report-april-2020 On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:33 PM Jack J. Woehr wrote: > > On 5/12/20 9:28 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > I also want them in Linux for Z, but that may already be

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-12 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/12/20 9:28 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: I also want them in Linux for Z, but that may already be here. You do know that you can get a free LPAR for 90 days and explore what's there and what's not yourself, right? https://developer.ibm.com/components/ibm-linuxone/gettingstarted/ -- Jack

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-12 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/12/20 9:28 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: I also want them in Linux for Z, but that may already be here. z/Linux has pretty much everything. Did some heavy lifting there. What wasn't there I could build, with some work. Essence of Open Source: You are part of the solution. -- Jack J.

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2020-05-12 Thread Seymour J Metz
, 2020 12:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 Shmuel Metz wrote: >The problem is that some of those are incomplete, not z/OS, >or not up to date. 1. Would you like to be more specific? (And I don't kno

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2020-05-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
Shmuel Metz wrote: >The problem is that some of those are incomplete, not z/OS, >or not up to date. 1. Would you like to be more specific? (And I don't know what you mean by "not z/OS." I answered specifically, exclusively for z/OS.) 2. Have you tried fixing the specific issues? - - - - - - -

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2020-05-11 Thread scott Ford
:09 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [External] Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' > programming language of 2020 > > Elect a clown get a circus > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:08 AM scott Ford wrote: > > > Seymour, > > > > Oh

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2020-05-11 Thread Pommier, Rex
st [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on >> behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 [peter.far...@broadridge.com] >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:39 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' >> programming language of 2020

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2020-05-11 Thread scott Ford
[peter.far...@broadridge.com] >> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:39 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' >> programming language of 2020 >> >> For relatively recent fare, I agree 100% - "Person of I

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-11 Thread scott Ford
mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Farley, Peter x23353 [peter.far...@broadridge.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:39 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most so

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
x23353 [peter.far...@broadridge.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 For relatively recent fare, I agree 100% - "Person of Interest" leads the pack. My favo

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
of Timothy Sipples [sipp...@sg.ibm.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 Shmuel Metz wrote: >Now if they could just bring z/OS support for Kotlin, Lua, >Perl, Raku, Ruby and R

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2020-05-10 Thread Timothy Sipples
Shmuel Metz wrote: >Now if they could just bring z/OS support for Kotlin, Lua, >Perl, Raku, Ruby and Rust up to date ... >Yes, bringing the port up to date includes first porting it ;-) Let's take these in order 1. As far as I know, as long as you use the Kotlin compiler to target a Java

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread scott Ford
ent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:21 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project". Not many people have > seen it, as far as I can tell. &

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Net far away? Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 I've always loved "Col

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread Bob Bridges
I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project". Not many people have seen it, as far as I can tell. The only problem I have with that movie - well, the main problem - is that no programmer in the world would make such a system and then throw away the Stop button. No engineer would do that

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread scott Ford
Like the 1970s flick , ‘Colossus , The Forbin Project’, Colossus and American computer and Guardian a Russian computer take over saying ‘ Colossus and Guardian we are one’, or better yet My favorite show, ‘Person of Interest’. Scott On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 11:18 AM Thomas Kern <

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread Thomas Kern
My view is: "You can write Fortran in any language, badly." /Tom Kern On 05/10/2020 10:13, Seymour J Metz wrote: "You can write Fortran in any language." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 -- For

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 On 5/9/20 10:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website. > Toss one up - perhaps. > >> If that's not your

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of PINION, RICHARD W. [rpin...@firsthorizon.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 PL/I

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
[IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tom Brennan [t...@tombrennansoftware.com] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 Thanks, now my head is going to explode :) Maybe one day it'll be

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
20 3:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 What the world really needs is a HAL9000. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:25

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread David Crayford
On 2020-05-10 3:36 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: Uh oh... He also has https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-javascript-suck/ Yep, JavaScript sucks! But it doesn't suck as much as PHP and since ES6 much of that nastiness has been fixed. And there's also TypeScript which is what we use. and even

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread Tom Brennan
Uh oh... He also has https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-javascript-suck/ and even https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-this-blog-suck/ I read his PHP page to the point where he says the PHP online doc sucks. I have to disagree - I think it's one of the best methods I've ever seen of handling

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Tom Brennan > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:25 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > [External

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
What the world really needs is a HAL9000. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

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2020-05-10 Thread Tom Brennan
Thanks, now my head is going to explode :) Maybe one day it'll be like Star Trek where we get to tell the computer to create the program for us, like a designer would describe general specs to a programmer today, then go through an evaluation and corrections without ever seeing any actual

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2020-05-10 Thread David Crayford
Anyway, don't take my word for it! This guy created a website just to rant about why PHP sucks https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-php-suck/ On 2020-05-10 12:45 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote: On 5/9/20 10:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website.

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-10 Thread David Crayford
On 2020-05-10 12:44 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote: I appreciate that. If you're a js programmer, you're a js programmer. I was talking about data center programmers who have to do anything and everything at the drop of a hat. PHP is for them. It's certainly not in our data center. I had to

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
PL/I, the language to replace all other languages. At least that's what IBM said. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Brennan Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread David Crayford
On 2020-05-10 11:33 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: When will it all settle down to just one programming language?? Ha - I know, never. Never! The new kid on the dynamic language block is Julia https://julialang.org/. It's a very well designed language that feels a lot like Lua. Because of the

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/9/20 10:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website. Toss one up - perhaps. If that's not your beat, My beat is to write readable code that the guy who comes after me can maintain, not to write throw-away code. I'm all in favor of

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/9/20 9:59 PM, David Crayford wrote: I do a lot of backend web development work. The company I work for offer a Z/OS port of PHP as part of ported tools. Nobody uses it internally. We do have a lot of products coming online that use Node.js. The young guys seem to be able to get stuff up

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Tom Brennan
I didn't mean to imply PHP was any better than the others. I just tend to head for it first because I'm relatively comfortable with it. On 5/9/2020 8:59 PM, David Crayford wrote: I do a lot of backend web development work. The company I work for offer a Z/OS port of PHP as part of ported

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jack J. Woehr [j...@well.com] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language o

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2020-05-09 Thread David Crayford
I do a lot of backend web development work. The company I work for offer a Z/OS port of PHP as part of ported tools. Nobody uses it internally. We do have a lot of products coming online that use Node.js. The young guys seem to be able to get stuff up and and running in matter of hours next not

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2020-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/9/20 9:33 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: Nice web site and pottery! Thanks from me and from Sumi von Dassow! PHP has long been my favorite even for larger web applications, and also for scripting under Windows.  I was just about to try to learn something new though - web page scraping in

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2020-05-09 Thread Tom Brennan
Nice web site and pottery! PHP has long been my favorite even for larger web applications, and also for scripting under Windows. I was just about to try to learn something new though - web page scraping in whatever language they use for Chrome plug-ins. Now I guess I'll have to look at this

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2020-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/9/20 9:25 PM, David Crayford wrote: That’s debatable! Most people would consider Node.js, Python Django or Ruby on Rails paired with a JavaScript framework like React to be far superior to PHP. Far superior, perhaps. Easier to get it done fast, like in a day or two, changing it a few

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2020-05-09 Thread David Crayford
That’s debatable! Most people would consider Node.js, Python Django or Ruby on Rails paired with a JavaScript framework like React to be far superior to PHP. > On 10 May 2020, at 11:12 am, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > >> On 5/9/20 9:01 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> Flaws, yes. Obscure, not nearly

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2020-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/9/20 9:01 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Flaws, yes. Obscure, not nearly as much as it deserves. Fun? Well, it's not my dog. PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website. Which is why it hangs around, supported by individuals charged with the task of bring up fairly

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
: Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 On 5/9/20 7:53 PM, David Crayford wrote: > No it’s not it’s a terrible language Oh, don't be such a siwwy wabbit. It's a lot of fun. Despite

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/9/20 7:53 PM, David Crayford wrote: No it’s not it’s a terrible language Oh, don't be such a siwwy wabbit. It's a lot of fun. Despite its flaws and obscurity, it's a lot of fun to code in and widely used in the IBM i world, which I mostly inhabit these days. -- Jack J. Woehr #

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2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Frank Swarbrick [frank.swarbr...@outlook.com] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24

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2020-05-09 Thread Bob Bridges
Not really the same thing, but I love Dave Barry's comment on brand naming (see tagline). --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I also attended Friday night's baseball game between the Marlins and the San Francisco Giants at the stadium here. It was originally named

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > Yes. And there is no mention in the Java spec that mentions deterministic > GC which is why it’s not suitable for life safety software. My bad. I

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:53 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > No it’s not

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 I am the very model of a modern garbage collector. Interesting wiki Seymour

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2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 3:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language). Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do

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2020-05-09 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:53 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programmi

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2020-05-09 Thread David Crayford
[dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:53 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > No it’s not it’s a terrible language. It’s so bad it’s almost always the butt

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 No it’s not it’s a terrible language. It’s so bad it’s almost always the butt of jokes in the programming community https://secure

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2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
t; From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:14 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 >

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2020-05-09 Thread David Crayford
No it’s not it’s a terrible language. It’s so bad it’s almost always the butt of jokes in the programming community https://www.i-programmer.info/news/98-languages/6758-the-reason-for-the-weird-php-function-names.html > On 10 May 2020, at 9:49 am, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > >> On 5/9/20 7:12 PM,

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2020-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls for PHP, PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the one I coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery https://herwheel.com Python is a masterfully designed,

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread David Crayford
ussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:14 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > How can a lan

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2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
.UA.EDU] on behalf of > David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:50 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > Go is not a replacement for C++

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2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 +1 Everyon

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2020-05-09 Thread David Crayford
avid Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:50 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > Go is not a replacement for C++. It’s a GC language which makes it completely >

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of scott Ford [idfli...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 Charles, I heard Go was supposed to be a good language to learn. Interestingly, I

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 Go is not a replacement for C++. It’s a GC language which makes it completely unsuitable for deterministic programming domains

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2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 Not sure how it works under the covers but my "hello, world"

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2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Smith [sasd...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++. C++ was a leader in OO

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2020-05-09 Thread David Crayford
lto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:02 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions

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2020-05-09 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
__ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of scott Ford [idfli...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 3:59 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' pro

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2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 3:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 O

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2020-05-09 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
> > From: Ed Jaffe > > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 14:58 > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' > programming > > language of 2020 > > > > On 5/9/2020 2:12 PM, scott Ford wrote: > > > Oh yes,

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2020-05-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 Jack, Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know. If they know C it’s C or if they know JavaScript , it’s JavaScript. I know companies aren’t paying for education, which I feel ultimately hurts them in a lot

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2020-05-09 Thread scott Ford
m-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/ > > > From: Ed Jaffe > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 14:58 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > On 5/9/2020 2:12 PM, scott Fo

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Alan Young
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 On 5/9/2020 2:12 PM, scott Ford wrote: > Oh yes, I agree, I had a friend say that GO and Python were great to learn, > I am open minded.. Python is available on z/OS.

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/9/2020 2:12 PM, scott Ford wrote: Oh yes, I agree, I had a friend say that GO and Python were great to learn, I am open minded.. Python is available on z/OS. Can Go availability be far behind? -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread scott Ford
Jack, Oh yes, I agree, I had a friend say that GO and Python were great to learn, I am open minded.. Scott On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:20 PM Jack J. Woehr wrote: > On 5/9/20 1:59 PM, scott Ford wrote: > > Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know. > > It's good to get outside

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/9/20 1:59 PM, scott Ford wrote: Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know. It's good to get outside your zone sometimes. If you decide to do so, both Python and Go are good choices! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Mark Regan
ainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 12:51 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > On Sat, 9 May 2020

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
Gilmartin Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 12:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >+1 on the name. > >I read an article on branding once

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread scott Ford
Jack, Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know. If they know C it’s C or if they know JavaScript , it’s JavaScript. I know companies aren’t paying for education, which I feel ultimately hurts them in a lot of ways. I learned C and experimented on Z/OS and liked its abilities

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:44:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >+1 on the name. > >I read an article on branding once that said if consumers can mess up your >name, they will, so be aware of that when you pick a name. The East Bay >Municipal Utility District (EBMUD) is universally known in the SF Bay

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
ve Smith Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++. C++ was a leader in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyi

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/9/20 12:00 PM, scott Ford wrote: Charles, I heard Go was supposed to be a good language to learn. Interestingly, I read an article saying Python will take over from Java. Personally, I learned Python liked it over java. I have to look at Go. Python is a wonderful language both for

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread scott Ford
Steve, I also rather enjoyed HLASM and PL/1. I am self-taught in several programming languages, so learned C kinda on the fly, but really liked it. I liked the structured macros in HLASM also. Makes life easier. Scott On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 2:02 PM Steve Smith wrote: > I actually love HLASM,

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Steve Smith
I actually love HLASM, PL/I, and older versions of C++. C++ was a leader in OO programming, but imho, it's gotten so stupefyingly complicated that it's may not be humanly possible to write decent programs with it. Go sounds like a pretty good reset, but at this point, I only know what I've read

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread scott Ford
t; Behalf Of Jack J. Woehr > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:54 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming > language of 2020 > > On 5/9/20 1:58 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > Nearly as good as YAL (Yet A

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Charles Mills
, May 9, 2020 9:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020 On 5/9/20 1:58 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language). > > Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's a

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On 5/9/20 1:58 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language). Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do? Don't underestimate Golang. It's an amazing language. It's like the genetically groomed offspring of C++ and Java with the best traits of

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread David Crayford
The more modern languages supported on z/OS the better. Otherwise it will just be viewed as a legacy platform and will slowly wither on vine. You may find it uninteresting but if we want to attract young people to the platform it's going to need something a little bit more contemporary then

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language). Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do? Last three "needed now" jobs were, COBOL, Assembler and PL/I. go West! On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:10 PM Frank Swarbrick wrote: > >

Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020

2020-05-09 Thread Frank Swarbrick
https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/04/24/ibm-intends-to-enable-go-on-z-os/ IBM intends to enable Go on z/OS - Mainframe DEV IBM intends to enable a full native Go (or Golang) compiler on z/OS. IBM intends to