Re: ECSA tuning clarification

2018-11-13 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
t; To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: ECSA tuning clarification > > Is there any smf record that I can look into to forecast on how much I > can > increase ? > > Is there any factor like hardware and number of applications or software > ? > > On Tue 13 Nov

Re: ECSA tuning clarification

2018-11-13 Thread Peter
ist [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > > Behalf Of Brian Westerman > > Sent: 13 November, 2018 10:03 > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: ECSA tuning clarification > > > > I try to keep it at 25% for ECSA and ESQA. There is no reason to run

Re: ECSA tuning clarification

2018-11-13 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
n List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Brian Westerman > Sent: 13 November, 2018 10:03 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: ECSA tuning clarification > > I try to keep it at 25% for ECSA and ESQA. There is no reason to run > short on it. You can monitor

Re: ECSA tuning clarification

2018-11-13 Thread Brian Westerman
I try to keep it at 25% for ECSA and ESQA. There is no reason to run short on it. You can monitor it but only once in a great while do I need to fiddle with the settings for them, and even then it's normally because I installed (or uninstalled) something . Brian

Re: ECSA tuning clarification

2018-11-12 Thread Allan Staller
With the use of a little bit of statistical analysis, I target 35% utilization of CSA, ECSA, SQA, ESQA. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs - Listserv Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 2:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ECSA

Re: ECSA tuning clarification

2018-11-12 Thread Mark Jacobs - Listserv
As with most things the answer is "it depends." There is no one size fits all answer. Depends on your workload and the ECSA requirements as well as the need for above the line private region. My standard was 250MB ECSA on each system, with a target of about 50-60 percent used, to allow for

Re: ECSA tuning clarification

2018-11-12 Thread Peter
I meant the size On Mon 12 Nov, 2018, 10:08 PM Mark Jacobs - Listserv < mark.jac...@custserv.com wrote: > By tuning, do you mean size of, or something else? > > Peter wrote on 11/12/18 12:43 PM: > > Hi > > This is just general question and ignorant about this area. So wanted to > get some

Re: ECSA tuning clarification

2018-11-12 Thread Mark Jacobs - Listserv
By tuning, do you mean size of, or something else? Peter wrote on 11/12/18 12:43 PM: Hi This is just general question and ignorant about this area. So wanted to get some suggestions and pointers about ECSA running. What are the factors that decides the tunning of ECSA value for zOS ? Please

Re: AW: Re: ECSA Survey

2014-07-02 Thread Peter Relson
When I started looking at (64-bit) object allocation in OS/390 2.10 there was no doco, Perhaps you are mis-remembering the release. I would expect that in OS/390 2.10 there was nothing because 64-bit virtual did not exist until z/OS 1.2. IARV64 was fully documented in the release in which it

Re: AW: Re: ECSA Survey

2014-07-02 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-07-02 15:50, Peter Relson pisze: When I started looking at (64-bit) object allocation in OS/390 2.10 there was no doco, Perhaps you are mis-remembering the release. I would expect that in OS/390 2.10 there was nothing because 64-bit virtual did not exist until z/OS 1.2. IARV64 was

Re: AW: Re: ECSA Survey

2014-07-02 Thread Jim Mulder
When I started looking at (64-bit) object allocation in OS/390 2.10 there was no doco, Perhaps you are mis-remembering the release. I would expect that in OS/390 2.10 there was nothing because 64-bit virtual did not exist until z/OS 1.2. Marian Paroo: Professor Harold Hill. Gary

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-07-01 Thread Rob Scott
...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: 01 July 2014 02:27 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ECSA Survey Awesome guys! Keep 'em coming! Thanks! Charles

AW: Re: ECSA Survey

2014-07-01 Thread Peter Hunkeler
[snip] ... but they are not an adequate substitute for more extended, proper documentation that provides appropriate usage examples. Aren't the migration redbooks just one good source of information about new features? z/OS Version 1 Release 10 Implementation dedicates a complete chapter to

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-07-01 Thread Mark Jacobs
On 06/30/14 16:34, Charles Mills wrote: Thanks a lot for hijacking my thread, guys. g Is there however not one active sysprog out there willing to say we have ___ MB of ECSA serving about address spaces, and frankly, I think KB/MB would be a borderline unreasonable amount of pageable

Re: AW: Re: ECSA Survey

2014-07-01 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Tue, 1 Jul 2014 13:01:46 +0200, Peter Hunkeler wrote: [snip] ... but they are not an adequate substitute for more extended, proper documentation that provides appropriate usage examples. Aren't the migration redbooks just one good source of information about new features? z/OS Version 1

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-07-01 Thread Charles Mills
I promised to summarize results here. Here you go. Hope this formats adequately. All storage quantities are in MB. A/S is address spaces; CSA/AS is ECSA to address space ratio (MB/address space). Threshold is whatever was stated about what ECSA requirement would make you raise your eyebrows? The

Re: AW: Re: ECSA Survey

2014-07-01 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 7/1/2014 5:13 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Modern kids ;) Peter I love your insights, but this was (historically) royally fucked up.. When I started looking at (64-bit) object allocation in OS/390 2.10 there was no doco, let alone migration assistance. The ISV monitors were scrabbling

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Peter Relson
A z/OS above-the-bar CSA or the like is clearly in the womb of time. How soon such a facility will be made available is not clear. What am I missing? Above-the-bar CSA and/or SQA exist via IARV64 REQUEST=GETCOMMON which was introduced in z/OS 1.10. What you might view as missing is enough

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread John Gilmore
What I, a little disingenuously, had in mind was certainly 1) enough exploitation but also 2) [perhaps as a precondition of 1)] enough exposition/explication. I and some others here---EJ, for example, as he has demonstrated on this and other occasions---are habituated to reading the comments

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Scott Ford
Charles: We don't use SP 241, we use sp 231 and have the customer allocate it. Regards, Scott www.idmworks.com From: Ed Jaffe Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎June‎ ‎29‎, ‎2014 ‎3‎:‎06‎ ‎PM To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On 6/29/2014 11:27 AM, John Gilmore wrote: A z/OS above-the-bar CSA

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks a lot for hijacking my thread, guys. g Is there however not one active sysprog out there willing to say we have ___ MB of ECSA serving about address spaces, and frankly, I think KB/MB would be a borderline unreasonable amount of pageable ECSA for a vendor product to require?

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Pommier, Rex
3:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ECSA Survey Thanks a lot for hijacking my thread, guys. g Is there however not one active sysprog out there willing to say we have ___ MB of ECSA serving about address spaces, and frankly, I think KB/MB would be a borderline unreasonable

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 1:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ECSA Survey Thanks a lot for hijacking my thread, guys. g Is there however not one active sysprog

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Clifford McNeill
. I just checked who has what amount ECSA allocated and, other than DB2, all are less than 1MB most are less than 500K. I hope this helps you. Cliff McNeill Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 13:34:37 -0700 From: charl...@mcn.org Subject: Re: ECSA Survey To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Thanks a lot

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Anthony Hirst
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ECSA Survey Thanks a lot for hijacking my thread, guys. g Is there however not one active sysprog out there willing to say we have ___ MB of ECSA serving about address spaces, and frankly, I think KB/MB would be a borderline unreasonable amount

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Ed Finnell
Omegamon used to have a 'Tuning report' that would make recommendations? Now we just reboot. In a message dated 6/30/2014 4:57:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, william.skel...@efirstbank.com writes: Small shop, about 120 MB of ECSA allocated, 66 MB in use. About 140 address spaces. Not

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Anthony Thompson
Another small shop, four production LPARs 1) DB2/CICS/MQ Series: ECSA 262M, in use 33%. Main users DB2 (production) VTAM, DB2 (UAT), MQ, SMSVSAM, BMC CICS monitor and automation 2) DB2/CICS (old stable application): ECSA 92M, in use 59%. Main users DB2, VTAM, SMSVSAM 3) CA-Datacomm/CICS/MQ

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Charles Mills
Awesome guys! Keep 'em coming! Thanks! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 6:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ECSA Survey Another small shop, four

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Anthony Thompson
Of Anthony Thompson Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2014 10:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ECSA Survey Another small shop, four production LPARs 1) DB2/CICS/MQ Series: ECSA 262M, in use 33%. Main users DB2 (production) VTAM, DB2 (UAT), MQ, SMSVSAM, BMC CICS monitor and automation 2) DB2/CICS

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Ed Finnell
What if we did a real survey with zoomerang or survey monkey? Maybe too many outliers to be repeatable. In a message dated 6/30/2014 8:27:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, charl...@mcn.org writes: Awesome guys! Keep 'em coming! Thanks!

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Ed Gould
ED: Good idea. However then you get into 2 people from the same shop replying. Using Share code doesn't help in this either. Can someone come up with a way? Ed On Jun 30, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Ed Finnell wrote: What if we did a real survey with zoomerang or survey monkey? Maybe too many

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:02:12 -0400, Ed Finnell wrote: What if we did a real survey with zoomerang or survey monkey? Maybe too many outliers to be repeatable. Isn't that spelled outliars? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 6/28/2014 12:35 PM, Charles Mills wrote: For question 3 I should clarify that the ECSA requirement in question is pageable -- subpool 241. CSA is not customer-configured by subpool. Rather, subpools (and associated storage characteristics) are assigned dynamically at STORAGE OBTAIN time,

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:35:42 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: 1. How much Extended (above the line) CSA do you have configured in the IEASYSxx CSA b value for your production LPARs? 2. To help me normalize the answers to question 1, roughly how many address spaces do you have configured on those

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 6/29/2014 9:20 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: When customers begin to raise eyebrows at ECSA constraints, it's time to raise a requirement for above-the-bar CSA. Agreed. And, since this feature has been an integral part of the z/OS operating system for many years now, such requirements must be

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread John Gilmore
A z/OS above-the-bar CSA or the like is clearly in the womb of time. How soon such a facility will be made available is not clear. Surrogate RYO schemes are, of course, easy enough to devise and implement. I have one, and I'm sure others do too. Finally, however, a private sharing mechanism is

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread Charles Mills
what number would you go Whoa! Wait a minute. Really? You need how much (pageable) ECSA? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 8:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ECSA

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 6/29/2014 11:27 AM, John Gilmore wrote: A z/OS above-the-bar CSA or the like is clearly in the womb of time. How soon such a facility will be made available is not clear. A documented change in macro IARST64 ca. March 2007: Flag LineItem FMIDDate IDComment $L1=64COMMON HBB7750

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:06:59 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 6/29/2014 11:27 AM, John Gilmore wrote: A z/OS above-the-bar CSA or the like is clearly in the womb of time. How soon such a facility will be made available is not clear. A documented change in macro IARST64 ca. March 2007: Flag LineItem

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 6/29/2014 5:54 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:06:59 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: A documented change in macro IARST64 ca. March 2007: Flag LineItem FMIDDate IDComment $L1=64COMMON HBB7750 070301 PD00XB: 64 bit storage manager I can remember the two of us being in

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:29:54 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: 3. If you were looking at a vendor product, how much ECSA requirement would make you raise your eyebrows? Surely 100 bytes would be OK. At roughly what number would you go Whoa! Wait a minute. Really? You need how much ECSA? Several

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 6/29/2014 11:29 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Right, I did not ask how much subpool 241 do you configure? I asked how much ECSA they configured. I clarified question 3 to read: If you were looking at a vendor product, how much pageable (subpool 241) ECSA requirement would make you raise your

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-29 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:47:27 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: I recommend new exploiters of 'CSA' - regardless of expected size requirement - consider placing their common storage above the bar in order to eliminate such questions and considerations altogether. VSCR is always a good thing... As is

Re: ECSA Survey

2014-06-28 Thread Charles Mills
For question 3 I should clarify that the ECSA requirement in question is pageable -- subpool 241. Charles -Original Message- From: Charles Mills [mailto:charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 12:30 PM To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List (IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu) Subject: ECSA

Re: ECSA

2013-06-26 Thread Clark Morris
On 24 May 2013 09:15:52 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Guys and Gals:   I just received a problem from a customer and its odd. I will try to explain.   1. Customer is on z/OS 1.13 ..Put ( i dont know we have asked) 2. We have a STC that does this: a. We issue a Storage Obtain

Re: ECSA

2013-06-26 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.cawrote: On 24 May 2013 09:15:52 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: snip As I read the code it is obtaining 9 bytes and releasing 10 bytes. Is this a transcription error? Clark Morris No. In the LENGTH=(?),

Re: ECSA

2013-05-29 Thread DASDBILL2
, May 28, 2013 8:11:22 PM Subject: Re: ECSA Bill Fairchild wrote: begin extract An authorized program can cause TCBPKF to remember something different, either by accident or design. /end extract This is unarguably correct.   Equally, an authorized program can change the contents of location

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 51a37323.2070...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 05/27/2013 at 07:52 AM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said: On 5/26/2013 6:08 PM, Charles Mills wrote: you need to save the key prior to the MODESET KEY=ZERO invocations Are you sure? MODESET KEY=NZERO,... won't remember for you? ZERO and

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1369698915.60307.yahoomail...@web126201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 05/27/2013 at 04:55 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: //IEFRDER DD   DSNAME=SYS1.TRACE,UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,20), 00150001 // DISP=(NEW,KEEP)  Try DISP=(,CATLG) 10. I try IPCS with GTFTRACE

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread John Gilmore
TCBPKF does not in general match the key just prior to the MODESET KEY=ZERO. If you need to restore that then you must save it yourself. It does remember|save|contain the original non-zero key of the task executing the MODESET. If you want to restore that then you can use the value in TCBPKF.

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Scott Ford
Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/   From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:46 AM Subject: Re: ECSA In 1369698915.60307.yahoomail...@web126201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 05/27

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread DASDBILL2
to remember something different, either by accident or design. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN - Original Message - From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:31:06 AM Subject: Re: ECSA In 51a37323.2070

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread DASDBILL2
scott_j_f...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:46:00 AM Subject: Re: ECSA Shmuel:   yes sir it was, there is data in 'sys1.trace' what I see is IPCS - subcommand GTFTRACE not recognizing or formatting if that's wthe workd you want to use the data ...its doesn't

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Binyamin Dissen
+...@patriot.net :To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU :Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:31:06 AM :Subject: Re: ECSA : :In 51a37323.2070...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 05/27/2013 :   at 07:52 AM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said: : :On 5/26/2013 6:08 PM, Charles Mills wrote: : you need to save the key

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Scott Ford
lost here Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/   From: DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:08 PM Subject: Re: ECSA Make sure that when you start your IPCS session

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/28/2013 11:02 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Tue, 28 May 2013 17:01:41 + DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net wrote: :TCBPKF remembers the original storage key set by the system in the same sense that general register 3 remembers the number X'5AD' after you load that number into register

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread J R
As Shmuel pointed out, your GTF JCL doe not catalog the new SYS1.TRACE. What steps do you take to ensure that the SYS1.TRACE you access from within IPCS is the same one you just created with GTF? = = Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 08:46:00 -0700 From: scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ECSA

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Scott Ford
There is only 1 I am aware of ..but I will look Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/   From: J R jayare...@hotmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:13 PM Subject: Re: ECSA As Shmuel pointed out, your

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Gord Tomlin
/ From: DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:08 PM Subject: Re: ECSA Make sure that when you start your IPCS session that there is not already another system dump in IPCS's dump directory that it is browsing by default. You

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Doug Henry
Hi Scott, You need to issue a ipcs dropdump command to fix this problem. 7.264 BLS18185I © Copyright IBM Corp. 1988, 2011 Topic lines 36 to 44 of 44

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Scott Ford
: Re: ECSA There is only 1 I am aware of ..but I will look Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/   From: J R jayare...@hotmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:13 PM Subject: Re: ECSA   As Shmuel pointed

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Doug Henry
Hi Scott, No this means that you had previously used the dsn sys1.trace and that old one is in your dump directory. When you resuse a name you always have to issue a ipcs dropdump command to allow the dump directory to reference that dump or trace you now want to process. Doug On Tue, 28 May

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Scott Ford
Subject: Re: ECSA Hi Scott, You need to issue a ipcs dropdump command to fix this problem. 7.264  BLS18185I                              © Copyright IBM Corp. 1988, 2011                                                     Topic lines 36 to 44 of 44

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread Scott Ford
other things I did wrong. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/   From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:46 PM Subject: Re: ECSA Just looked only 1 ...sys1.trace dataset

Re: ECSA

2013-05-28 Thread John Gilmore
Bill Fairchild wrote: begin extract An authorized program can cause TCBPKF to remember something different, either by accident or design. /end extract This is unarguably correct. Equally, an authorized program can change the contents of location 16 (decimal) | x'10' to point not to the address

Re: ECSA

2013-05-27 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:08:22 -0700 Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: : you need to save the key prior to the MODESET KEY=ZERO invocations :Are you sure? MODESET KEY=NZERO,... won't remember for you? NZERO sets you to TCB key, which may not be the key the PSW was in at the time of the ZERO.

Re: ECSA

2013-05-27 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 5/26/2013 9:08 PM, Charles Mills wrote: you need to save the key prior to the MODESET KEY=ZERO invocations Are you sure? MODESET KEY=NZERO,... won't remember for you? No, why should it? The only persistent key the system knows for you is the TCBKEY; the current key is in the PSW, saved

Re: ECSA

2013-05-27 Thread Gord Tomlin
0311 0030E703 Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ From: Gord Tomlin gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: Re: ECSA Are you looking at system trace to see

Re: ECSA

2013-05-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 086801ce5a76$af711e70$0e535b50$@mcn.org, on 05/26/2013 at 06:08 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said: you need to save the key prior to the MODESET KEY=ZERO invocations Are you sure? Yes. MODESET KEY=NZERO,... won't remember for you? The crystal ball on channel 3 is broken. From

Re: ECSA

2013-05-27 Thread Scott Ford
Yeah, I have too look at what has happened their trace was unreadable so I will try the same code on our test system with a gfs trace ..I just want to solve the mystery and make sure we don't have an issue Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite

Re: ECSA

2013-05-27 Thread Scott Ford
output ... What did I goof on guys and gals... Regards, Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/   From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: ECSA Yeah, I have

Re: ECSA

2013-05-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 1369412144.70731.yahoomail...@web126203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 05/24/2013 at 09:15 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: 2. We have a STC Running in what key? Always the same, or does it switch. If the latter, you need to save the key prior to the MODESET KEY=ZERO invocations.   

Re: ECSA

2013-05-26 Thread Charles Mills
, 2013 9:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ECSA In 1369412144.70731.yahoomail...@web126203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 05/24/2013 at 09:15 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: 2. We have a STC Running in what key? Always the same, or does it switch. If the latter, you need to save

Re: ECSA

2013-05-25 Thread Peter Relson
STORAGE OBTAIN,LENGTH=(9),SP=231, X LOC=31,COND=YES,CHECKZERO=YES I presume you're aware that success will be indicated both by RC=0 *and* by RC=20 since you used CheckZero=YES. By the way, your storage release was unconditional. There is no return code. But

Re: ECSA

2013-05-25 Thread Scott Ford
Peter, I also asked for a z/os1.13 put levelwe develop on 1.13 ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On May 25, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com wrote: STORAGE OBTAIN,LENGTH=(9),SP=231, X

Re: ECSA

2013-05-24 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
SP231 is owned by the system. It has to be expressly freed. There is no system cleanup of it, unless you call an IPL a way to do cleanup :). On a more serious note, are you getting the right address and length from the caller at the time of the free? Chris Blaicher Principal Software

Re: ECSA

2013-05-24 Thread Gord Tomlin
The storage is in subpool 231, which is a CSA/ECSA subpool. This subpool is owned by the system, and it is not freed by task or address space termination. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507

Re: ECSA

2013-05-24 Thread Scott Ford
Subject: Re: ECSA The storage is in subpool 231, which is a CSA/ECSA subpool. This subpool is owned by the system, and it is not freed by task or address space termination. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113

Re: ECSA

2013-05-24 Thread Gord Tomlin
/ From: Gord Tomlin gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:48 PM Subject: Re: ECSA The storage is in subpool 231, which is a CSA/ECSA subpool. This subpool is owned by the system, and it is not freed by task or address space

Re: ECSA

2013-05-24 Thread retired mainframer
Is it really deliberate that the parameters for the first routine are in a different order than the parameters for the second? :: -Original Message- :: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On :: Behalf Of Scott Ford :: Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:16 AM ::

Re: ECSA

2013-05-24 Thread Scott Ford
Hey retired I dont follow can u email off server ... Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/   From: retired mainframer retired-mainfra...@q.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: ECSA

Re: ECSA

2013-05-24 Thread Scott Ford
...@actionsoftware.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: Re: ECSA Are you looking at system trace to see that STORAGE RELEASE? The ASID, work unit address, and PSW for the STORAGE RELEASE should reveal who issued it. Can you post the relevant lines from system trace

Re: ECSA

2013-05-24 Thread DASDBILL2
Does storage linger after a STC shutdowns ? It depends on the storage subpool and how the shutdown occurs.  Specifically, subpools with the ownership attribute of systems are never automatically freed by any system function, but must be explicitly freed by whatever software acquired the

Re: ECSA

2013-05-24 Thread Scott Ford
: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:38 PM Subject: Re: ECSA SP231 is owned by the system.  It has to be expressly freed.  There is no system cleanup of it, unless you call an IPL a way to do cleanup :). On a more serious note, are you getting the right address and length from the caller at the time