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>
> BS = bull $hit
>
> Meaning,.. one is talking meaningless, foolish, s#it. So either BS or
> horse s#it.
>
> Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of
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BS = bull $hit
Meaning,.. one is talking meaningless, foolish, s#it. So either BS or horse
s#it.
Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical marketing
On 1/25/2019 2:39 PM, Gord Tomlin wrote:
It will be a great opportunity for IBM to show whether it genuinely
supports the open source community.
If you have any doubt on /that /score, you should check out IBM i and IBM Q.
Of all the Great Beasts on the Block, IBM has over the decades played
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:23:32 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>For the same reason that Nova (No va) is funny in Hispanic countries; BS has a
>colloquial meaning in the US.
>
That's disputed:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chevrolet-nova-name-spanish/
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OK,
Enlight me, what is BS?
Why it's funny?
It is Germ
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 11:44:54 +, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote:
>
>Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical marketing
>department where their product is so useless, but they proudly sell it, by
>naming it BS2000.
>They call the new and improved version BS3000.
>
BS = bull $hit
Meaning,.. one is talking meaningless, foolish, s#it. So either BS or
horse s#it.
Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical
marketing department where their product is so useless, but they proudly
sell it, by naming it BS2000.
They call the new and
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OK,
Enlight me, what is BS?
Why it's funny?
It is Germish and means "Betriebssystem"
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Here in the USBS = Bull S**t
Thanks,
Tom Savor
The polite translation is Bovine Scatology. Literally the stuff that comes out
of the south end of a north-bound bull.
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Enlight me, what is
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https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BS
The polite translation is Bovine Scatology. Literally the stuff that comes out
of the south end of a north-bound bull.
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Enlight me, what is BS?
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W dniu 2019-01-26 o 10:01, Bernd Oppolzer pisze:
Outside USA, the two-letter acronym BS would probably not trigger
automatically the same reflex. At least it took me some seconds yesterday
to understand why the
Outside USA, the two-letter acronym BS would probably not trigger
automatically the same reflex. At least it took me some seconds yesterday
to understand why the other poster was laughing about the name of BS2000.
Funny: yesterday evening (after this mail dialog) I went to the cinema and
watched
Ron Hawkins wrote:
>Your statement " VOS3 does not run on today's IBM Z
>machines" appears to be at odds with the 2017 IBM
>announcement.
It is not at odds. It's perfectly consistent with the joint announcement.
Hitachi's VOS3/XS runs on Hitachi's AP1 machines, not on IBM Z
machines. IBM is
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> Am 24.01.2019 um 18:01 schrieb R.S.:
> > W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:
> >> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the
> >> older
Gord Tomlin wrote:
>It will be a great opportunity for IBM to show whether it genuinely
>supports the open source community. It will also be interesting to see
>whether IBM starts to favor Red Hat over SUSE and Ubuntu on z.
Starts? IBM has favored RHEL over SLES for a while, near as I can
On 2019-01-25 14:27, Tom Marchant wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:44:57 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote:
IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red Hat
completes, that'll change.
This prompts me to wonder what happens to Fedora when IBM buys Red Hat.
It will be a great
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It goes from Red to Blue? :)
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:44:57 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote:
>IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red
>Hat completes, that'll change.
This prom
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Parwez Hamid wrote:
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:44:57 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote:
>IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red Hat
>completes, that'll change.
This prompts me to wonder what happens to Fedora when IBM buys Red Hat.
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Red hat is available
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> On Jan 24, 2019, at 17:34, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> Then what are Red Hat and openSUSE distributions for z?
>
>
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Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Lin
After some thinking it became clear to me what you have in mind :-)
BS is the German abbreviaton for operating system (BetriebsSystem).
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 25.01.2019 um 08:25 schrieb Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh:
I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000.
LMAO!
– Vignesh
Parwez Hamid wrote:
>IBM itself doesn't distribute LINUX.
IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red Hat
completes, that'll change.
>Hitachi’s operating system, VOS
Hitachi's operating system is now called VOS3/XS in its latest iteration,
introduced in 2018. VOS3/XS
I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000.
LMAO!
– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
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Now this reply, I like!
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Strictly speaking, you could include
://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
>
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Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Linux one is a kind of z14
Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.
> Am 24.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb R.S. :
>
> IMHO 99% of people have no idea ther
Am 24.01.2019 um 18:01 schrieb R.S.:
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:
All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the
older ones.
You can add the following:
KVM
Hitachi’s operating system, VOS
Well, IT DEPENDS.
KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS?
Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Linux one is a kind of z14
Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.
> Am 24.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb R.S. :
>
> IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR System
> z and Linux ON system z.
>
> It would be ridiculous to
IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR
System z and Linux ON system z.
It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names.
Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays.
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W dniu 2019-01-24
:45 AM
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KVM?
Jon Nolting
System Administrator
Engineering IT
jon.nolt...@oracle.com
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W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:
> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older
> ones.
>
> You can add the following:
>
> KVM
> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS
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W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:
> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older
> ones.
>
> You can add the following:
>
> KVM
> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS
Well, IT D
Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, formerly
zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're software:
z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" officially,
because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into names
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 15:51, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh pisze:
Oh how about zAWARE ??
zAWARE is an appliance - some dedicated application running under Linux
in dedicated LPAR.
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==
Jeśli
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze:
All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older ones.
You can add the following:
KVM
Hitachi’s operating system, VOS
Well, IT DEPENDS.
KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it Linux?
Maybe, but
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 17:48, Kevin Mckenzie pisze:
Strictly speaking, you could include Stand-alone Dump and ADRDSSU.
OK, let's add other stand-alone programs: ICKDSF, ZZSA, FDR utilities...
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>
> > From: John McKown
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> > Date: 01/24/2019 09:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
> > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
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> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant <
> >
AM
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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Parwez Hamid
wrote:
> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the
> older ones.
>
I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line&quo
ering IT
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> You forgot
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> > On Thu, 24 Jan
KVM?
Jon Nolting
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You forgot z
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Oh how about zAWARE ??
– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
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Sent: 24 January 2019 14:37
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But you could use all Linux distribution without z/vm when you get a s390x
Version nativ on a lpar. I have a kvm rhel 7.5 with kvm. For my guests on z/14
Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung.
> Am 24.01.2019 um 16:48 schrieb Parwez Hamid :
>
> Re: I was thinking just current systems,
Re: I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line" from
IBM itself: z/OS, z/VSE, z/VM, z/TPF(?), z/Linux.
If this is what you want, then there are only 4 i.e. excluding PR/SM and DPM.
These are z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and z/TPF. IBM itself doesn't distribute LINUX.
:
> Oh how about zAWARE ??
>
> – Vignesh
> Mainframe Infrastructure
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Paul Gilmartin
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Oh how about zAWARE ??
– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure
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Sent: 24 January 2019 14:37
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S. wrote:
>
>It depends.
>There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
>There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
>There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
>Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
>There is/was
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>
> >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
> >z/Linux. Are there any others?
>
> None of these were ever
Ancient
MFT (and subsequent incarantions)
DOS/360 and subsequent incarnations
BOS
TOS
PCP
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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:54 AM
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
>z/Linux. Are there any others?
None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though they might be
able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL
kVM?
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This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Parwez Hamid
wrote:
> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older
> ones.
>
I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line" from
IBM itself: z/OS, z/VSE, z/VM, z/TPF(?), z/Linux. I am thinking of
currently
All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older ones.
You can add the following:
KVM
Hitachi’s operating system, VOS
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> This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
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This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?
OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit
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Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.:
> W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:
>> This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF,
>> and z/Linux. Are there any others?
>>
>> OK, the real reason I'm
what a strange typo ...
"- if it really would run on a current z Hardware"
of course
Am 24.01.2019 um 13:52 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.:
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:
This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 6:26 AM R.S. wrote:
> It depends.
> There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA.
> There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code).
> There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS.
> Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM.
> There is/was
Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.:
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:
This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?
OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I
play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?
OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze:
This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?
OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you
You forgot z/VM
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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:18 PM
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This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux
This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/Linux. Are there any others?
OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play.
It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a
new star system or planet, you can rename
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