Re: Dataset in Two master catalog

2014-06-17 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-06-16 20:43, Skip Robinson pisze: I can think of several scenarios, but how about one that we can all relate to--and I'm the electric company: a data center power failure. Sure, what are the odds of a power failure requiring an enterprise-wide IPL *and* missing your one and only IODF

Re: Dataset in Two master catalog

2014-06-17 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:45:55 -0700, Skip Robinson wrote: Both of our data centers went down after UPS was exhausted. We had no generators at the time because--scout's honor--some crazy executive believed that alternative power would cast aspersions on our product; he had blocked all efforts to

ZOS 2.1 Message Flood Automation in a JES3 environment.

2014-06-17 Thread Kenneth J. Kripke
First off, thank you to W. Kevin Kelley for your response dated Thursday, June 12, 2014. I am guessing that based on your response, It is up to automation to inspect the Message Flood Indicator(s) in the WQE. I am curious exactly what indicates a message is to be suppressed. There is the

Re: RENT, REFR and key=0 storage - A correction

2014-06-17 Thread John Gilmore
Robert A. Rosenberg has rehearsed the obvious, focusing on the details of inventory management. My point was a different one. It was to illustrate in a homely way that serialization requirements are ineluctable. It is of course possible to avoid the explicit use of the word 'serialization', say

Re: RENT, REFR and key=0 storage - A correction

2014-06-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ofb798b28b.5d3e7d0e-on85257cf8.007ed65c-85257cf8.007ff...@us.ibm.com, on 06/15/2014 at 07:16 PM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said: I disagree a bit. It does not hurt to add indicators of things that are subsets. A refreshable module, if treated as reentrant, will work Not if the

Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread Peter Hunkeler
A large zFS data set was allocated w/o a dataclass. Now the data set is not extended format, so it cannot grow larger than 4GiB. I was looking into DFDSS COPYing or DUMP/RESTORE into a new extended format zFS data set. I tried various ways, but it seems DFDSS is not willing to copy or restore

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread John McKown
I can't answer your question. Especially since I don't know what various ways that you tried. But I did have a possible thought you might want to try. I assume the zFS container is not mounted at some UNIX mount point. So, how about doing trying this: 1) Rename zFS data set (CLUSTER DATA) to a

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-06-17 13:35, Peter Hunkeler pisze: A large zFS data set was allocated w/o a dataclass. Now the data set is not extended format, so it cannot grow larger than 4GiB. I was looking into DFDSS COPYing or DUMP/RESTORE into a new extended format zFS data set. I tried various ways, but

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread Mark Jacobs
On 06/17/14 07:35, Peter Hunkeler wrote: A large zFS data set was allocated w/o a dataclass. Now the data set is not extended format, so it cannot grow larger than 4GiB. I was looking into DFDSS COPYing or DUMP/RESTORE into a new extended format zFS data set. I tried various ways, but it

Re: RENT, REFR and key=0 storage - A correction

2014-06-17 Thread Mike Schwab
This was a VSAM file with multiple record layouts. One record for most screen information. One record per line of comment text, about 8 per screen. It would read the records and display the screen. When the user said update, it would read the record, update the information, and update, add, or

z/OS 1.13 ADRDSSU ECB WAIT

2014-06-17 Thread Gary Snider
Hi, I am trying to determine why our data set dump job (ADRDSSU) runs longer on some days. Here is the type of dump being performed: DUMP DATASET(INCLUDE(**) - EXCLUDE( - SYS1.VVDS.** - SYS1.VTOCIX.** ) - BY((DSCHA,EQ,YES))) - STORGRP(PRDBAT) -

AW: Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread Peter Hunkeler
I can't answer your question. Especially since I don't know what various ways that you tried. My intent really only was to make sure I'm not missing a DFDSS option that would do this. I didn't find anything the like in the manual. That's why I didn't post details. So, how about doing trying

Re: Using DB2 and MQ under JZOS

2014-06-17 Thread Mohammad Khan
I hope the updated JZOS Cookbook would have some samples exploiting these features. Are there any samples available anywhere as of now ? Mohammad On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:48:38 -0500, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote: There has for some time been a package in JZOS (in the SDK) named

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread John McKown
Thanks. I understand. DFDSS is certainly a more efficient data copier than IDCAMS REPRO! On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Peter Hunkeler p...@gmx.ch wrote: I can't answer your question. Especially since I don't know what various ways that you tried. My intent really only was to make sure

Re: z/OS 1.13 ADRDSSU ECB WAIT

2014-06-17 Thread Staller, Allan
The 1st and most likely cause is varying amounts of data being dumped. The 2nd most likely cause is competition for resources. To resolve the first case, use the restore command with PARM='TYPRUN=NORUN' to determine the contents of the various tape(s). This will produce a simulated restore.

OT? Unicode 7.0 released

2014-06-17 Thread John McKown
http://unicode-inc.blogspot.com/2014/06/announcing-unicode-standard-version-70.html quote Version 7.0 of the Unicode Standard is now available, adding 2,834 new characters. This latest version adds the new currency symbols for the Russian ruble and Azerbaijani manat, approximately 250 emoji

Re: OT? Unicode 7.0 released

2014-06-17 Thread John Gilmore
John McKown wrote: begin extract Some of the new characters seem reasonable. But Webdings and Wingdings? Why not a Unicode character for the Mona Lisa? Or for specific corporate logos. Hey, might be a money maker!? /end extract Unicode does make private code points available, with one of their

Re: z/OS 1.13 ADRDSSU ECB WAIT

2014-06-17 Thread Gary Snider
I set PLOTMIN(0) so we can see all the wait reasons (below). Is all the ECB WAIT time attributable to waiting on I/O to post complete? I still don't understand why this would be such a large amount of the elapsed time. I would think disk and tape active would be the larger part.

Re: Catalog manipulation (was RE: DFDSS QUESTION - SEMI URGENT - EXPLANATION)

2014-06-17 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:20:33 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote: It certainly doesn't make sense to go to the overhead of creating a new USERCAT rather than a new alias to an existing USERCAT for each new TSO user -- unless perhaps you have a very small, fairly static number of TSO users. There are RACF

Re: z/OS 1.13 ADRDSSU ECB WAIT

2014-06-17 Thread Staller, Allan
There is an old presentation (I forget whom to attribute to) that shows relative response times from CPU cache to memory to device cache to physical io in terms of seconds. This scale ranges from a few seconds to many years on this scale. Your *MINIMUM* response time is to device cache for

Re: Stand-alone Restore was Re: Dataset in Two master catalog

2014-06-17 Thread DASDBILL2
And test your S-A IPL and your Disaster Recovery plan every so often. Bill Fairchild, Senior Software Engineer ASG Software Solutions 1333 Third Avenue South Naples, FL 34102-6400 USA - Original Message - From: Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

SMS dataclass parameter change.

2014-06-17 Thread Leonardo Vaz
Hello list! We are planning to improve our existing dataclass used for extended (format/addressability) datasets by changing the following options: 1. Add'l Volume Amount to S. 2. Space Constraint Relief to Y 3. Reduce Space Up to (%) to 50 4. RLS Above the 2-GB Bar to

Cringley's ebook on Decline of IBM

2014-06-17 Thread Dana Mitchell
I know there are some on this list that aren't big fans of Cringley, but you can't dispute many of his points in the ebook. Friends that I have still at IBM report things are continuing to get worse not better. http://www.cringely.com/2014/06/04/decline-fall-ibm/ I sincerely hope they can

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread Matthew Stitt
I just tried IDCAMS REPRO for exactly the same purpose. The job shows it worked, but a directory list of the new ZFS showed nothing in it. So I then used the following PAX command: /usr/sbin/mount -t ZFS -f PLEX.OLD.AGGR002.LDS0002 /service2 /usr/sbin/mount -t ZFS -f PLEX.NEW.AGGR002.LDS0002

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:51:42 +0200, Peter Hunkeler wrote: I can't answer your question. Especially since I don't know what various ways that you tried. My intent really only was to make sure I'm not missing a DFDSS option that would do this. I didn't find anything the like in the manual.

Re: Cringley's ebook on Decline of IBM

2014-06-17 Thread Bob Shannon
I know there are some on this list that aren't big fans of Cringley, but you can't dispute many of his points in the ebook Most people wait until the subject has died before publishing an obituary. About twenty five years ago IBM was dying. Low and behold there was a turnaround and the

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-06-17 21:18, Tom Marchant pisze: On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:51:42 +0200, Peter Hunkeler wrote: I can't answer your question. Especially since I don't know what various ways that you tried. My intent really only was to make sure I'm not missing a DFDSS option that would do this. I

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread John McKown
I agree with your curiosity. I have never tried to clone a zFS using REPRO, but have copied other VSAM LINEAR data sets (SMS ACDS, SCDS) with no problems. But I didn't change them from non-EF to EF at the same time. Perhaps an EF LINEAR data sets is not identical to a non-EF LINEAR data set in

Re: SQL Query

2014-06-17 Thread Neil Duffee
Ron: if you're only requesting a single row response (Fetch Only), why are you using = for VENDOR_NBR or VENDOR_DEPT_NBR. If anything they should be strictly equal. It would greatly reduce the number of index rows retrieved. signature = 6 lines follows Neil Duffee, Joe

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread Skip Robinson
We routinely use DSS dump/restore to clone/migrate ZFS around the enterprise, but always to similar architecture. The only humongous (EF) ZFS I've created was for ServerPac work space, and I started with an empty volume. I agree with what's been said about radically different internals in EF.

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 17, 2014, at 2:34 PM, R.S. wrote: ---SNIP-- Regarding original problem- I see two interesting issues: 1. What's magic inside zFS which makes the CI-level copy unusable? Extended format adds some suffix to physical blocks, but Control

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:49:06 -0700, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: . The only humongous (EF) ZFS I've created was for ServerPac work space, and I started with an empty volume. My largest zFS is a single SMPNTS data set in one of my sysplexes shared by all the tech teams. It is

Re: Using DFDSS to copy non-extended format dataset to extended format?

2014-06-17 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-06-17 22:49, Skip Robinson pisze: We routinely use DSS dump/restore to clone/migrate ZFS around the enterprise, but always to similar architecture. The only humongous (EF) ZFS I've created was for ServerPac work space, and I started with an empty volume. I agree with what's been said

Re: RENT, REFR and key=0 storage - A correction

2014-06-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In cae1xxdhwercapn56phdyvwxt1pgh_jjx5n82cafmaitjbnv...@mail.gmail.com, on 06/16/2014 at 07:45 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Programmed serialization---It can be done, adequately if longwindedly, with just a TS instruction Disabled spin locks could be done with a TS;

Setting up Encryption on TS7700 Backend Stacked tapes

2014-06-17 Thread Roger Craig
We are trying to set up encryption on our TS7700 backend stacked tapes (we don't have any native tape drives) and I have a few questions with doing encryption setup. We created a test pool (Pool 2), what I'm not sure of is the current tapes with this pool that have been used in the past have a

Re: Cringley's ebook on Decline of IBM

2014-06-17 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 19:33:19 +, Bob Shannon wrote: I predict that in twenty years another pundit will publish yet another prediction of IBM's imminent demise. I'm somewhat less sanguine than Bob. I think I'll buy the epub and have a read while I'm lounging on the beach with the mutt -

Re: RENT, REFR and key=0 storage - A correction

2014-06-17 Thread John Gilmore
Shmuel and I---What's new?---may disagree; or again we may not. Serialization is best accomplished in layered fashion with supervisor assistance; and for this reason Dijkstra's unlayered semaphores are, at best, misbegotten. That said, serialization can be implemented in ugly, resource-hogging

Re: RENT, REFR and key=0 storage - A correction

2014-06-17 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 07:07 -0500 on 06/17/2014, Mike Schwab wrote about Re: RENT, REFR and key=0 storage - A correction: This was a VSAM file with multiple record layouts. One record for most screen information. One record per line of comment text, about 8 per screen. It would read the records and display