Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
ObInigoMontoya No, the difference between {I believe the firearm to be unloaded" and "I have verified that the firearm is unloaded" is precisely semantics. The range officers has this foolish idea that the difference matters, and ignoring the difference *will* lead to disciplinary action. No

Re: Required viewing

2021-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
Was it an 1107? That was a 36-bit ones' complement machine with more than 8K. An 1900? The only UNIVAC 1701 I know of was a keypunch machine. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread Greg Price
On 29/05/2021 7:30 am, Tom Brennan wrote: But years ago I remember a bit of free code that displayed many more terminal characteristics.  I'm not talking ISPF terminal types (I'd recommend using type 3 with PCOMM, some others tell ISPF to sends graphic characters to the screen).  I'm talking

Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
In addition to what you can get from TSO and ISPF, you can use TPG to write a WSF datastream. Read Partition - Query will give you the basics. Of course, that's overkill if all you want is the screen geometry. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread David Spiegel
Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH. I changed the brackets to x'BA' and x'BB'. Now, it works. Thank you! I still would like to know how to display which codepage I am using. Any ideas? Thanks and regards, David On 2021-05-28 13:49, Seymour J Metz wrote: What code pages are you using and what does ISPF show

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Bill Johnson
Yup, you’re always right. Sorry. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 2:31 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: ObInigoMontoya No, the difference between {I believe the firearm to be unloaded" and "I have verified that the firearm is unloaded" is precisely semantics. The range

Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
What code pages are you using and what does ISPF show under option 0? https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSZJDU_6.2.0/com.ibm.itnetviewforzos.doc_6.2/dqd_custocbe_codepage.htm "In codepage 037, the left bracket character [ is X'BA', the right bracket character ] is X'BB'. However, in

Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
There's probably a dialog variable for it, but I don't recall. Meanwhile, what happens with teminal type 4 and 6? If you manually start ISPF from the READY prompt, you can specify a codepage on ISPSTART. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread Tom Brennan
There is a variable. I found this old panel of mine: ** * Top of Data * 01 )BODY 02 %CCSID is 03 )END ** Bottom of Data *** But years ago I remember a bit of free code that displayed many more terminal

Re: Required viewing

2021-05-28 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 5/28/2021 2:35 PM, Darren Evans-Young wrote: Had to learn a new assembly language again. Haha! That's what some people said when z/Architecture came out! LOL -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/

Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread David Spiegel
4 and 6 look weird. On 2021-05-28 14:57, Seymour J Metz wrote: There's probably a dialog variable for it, but I don't recall. Meanwhile, what happens with teminal type 4 and 6? If you manually start ISPF from the READY prompt, you can specify a codepage on ISPSTART. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
(This thread would better go on ISPF-L.) On Fri, 28 May 2021 13:27:23 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: > >I'm trying to write a Rexx ISPF Edit Macro which contains a FIND Regular >Expression. >... >I turned HEX ON so that my square brackets can be displayed. (I used >x'AD' and x'BD'). > This sucks!

Re: Required viewing

2021-05-28 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I remember going on a field trip when I was in Vo-Tech (data Processing) to the Franklin Institute to see that Univac processor, we had a small Univac 1701 ? IIRC in our class, 8k memory, all controlled by switches and buttons, a printer, card reader and a card punch, those were the daze !

Re: Required viewing

2021-05-28 Thread patrickfalcone7
Was probably a K32.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Darren Evans-Young Date: 5/28/21 5:35 PM (GMT-05:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Required viewing The University of Alabama had a Univac 1100 Series mainframe when I

Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread David Spiegel
Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, I am using PCOMM. How do I display the Code Page? ISPF Option 0:   Log/List  Function keys  Colors  Environ Workstation  Identifier  Help ss     ISPF Settings Command ===>

Re: Required viewing

2021-05-28 Thread Darren Evans-Young
The University of Alabama had a Univac 1100 Series mainframe when I started school there in 1977. 36 bit, 1's complement. Users primarily used Fortran and COBOL. I personally used assembly language. Around 1985, UA changed over to an IBM 3081 I believe. 32 bit, 2's compliment. Had to learn a

Re: ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread Tom Brennan
Hi Greg, That's probably what I'm thinking of, or maybe in the back of my mind it was something under ISPF written by Doug Nadel. I forgot! But I just tried your program and I see my current code page 1047 showing up as 0417 hex - highlighted at the bottom of this image:

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Alan Altmark
On Fri, 28 May 2021 11:50:28 +0200, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >IMHO it depends. >First, it depends on what we understand as outsourcing. >1. I buy HW and SW and keep it in my datacenter. Oh, BTW: the >application software is mine, not delivered from outside. >2. Application is delivered, and

Required viewing

2021-05-28 Thread Phil Smith III
1957 Automatic Data Processing, IBM 705 Mainframe Data Center, IBM 650, ARMY Computers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iPITuZraU 32 minutes -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

ISPF Edit Macro Regular Expression

2021-05-28 Thread David Spiegel
Hi, I'm trying to write a Rexx ISPF Edit Macro which contains a FIND Regular Expression. I'm getting a ISRE997 on this line: "ISREDIT FIND R'ÝABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ@#$¨'" 3 7CEDCCCE4CCDC4D7ACD775B774F444 F92954930695409DD12345678912345678923456789CBBDDF03000 I

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
IMHO it depends. First, it depends on what we understand as outsourcing. 1. I buy HW and SW and keep it in my datacenter. Oh, BTW: the application software is mine, not delivered from outside. 2. Application is delivered, and there are many options how to maintain it. 3. I keep HW in leased DC.

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Joel C. Ewing
No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts.  While it is very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced".  A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house cloud

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Bill Johnson
I remember the GM/EDS marriage well. After I was forced to transition to EDS, whenever Packard Electric engineers wanted changes made to the IMS system, I had to perform analysis of the request and submit an RFQ (request for quotation) and EDS hierarchy pushed for more hours (they were

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Bill Johnson
Semantics. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 10:29 AM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts.  While it is very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based services, it is not true that "cloud-based"

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Bill Johnson
At GM, circa 1983-84, we had plants all over the country that worked off of a mainframe in Warren, Ohio. (Packard Electric) After the transition to EDS, those same plants worked off the mainframe in Charlotte, NC. (They moved multiple GM divisions there) Early cloud processing, outsourced to

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Bill Johnson
Bingo. And GM eventually took back their outsourced (cloud) processing from EDS. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:50 AM, Dave Jousma <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts.  While it is >very

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
"Congratulations, you've invented time sharing!" -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Joel C. Ewing [jce.ebe...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:29 AM

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
Yes, and the difference between a trainee who shoots himself and a trainee who inspects his rifle before claiming that it is unloaded is only semantics, but the cadre at boot camp thought that the distinction was important. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Bill Johnson
An unloaded versus loaded gun is quite a bit more than semantics. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, May 28, 2021, 11:36 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Yes, and the difference between a trainee who shoots himself and a trainee who inspects his rifle before claiming that it is unloaded is

Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ?

2021-05-28 Thread Dave Jousma
>No, "cloud" and "outsourcing" are two distinct concepts. While it is >very likely these days that all "outsourcing" would involve cloud-based >services, it is not true that "cloud-based" services must be "outsourced". >A corporation can easily choose to run its own distributed, in-house >cloud