Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Thousands of lines? Maybe if its a very simple assembler. "40 line REXX program" is a straw dummy. Yes, some scripts are that short, just as there are 40-line assembler programs, but many are orders of magnitude larger. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

(2) IMHO, clever code is when you read it and ask "Why didn't I think of that?". Deliberately obscure code is not clever. (3)Probably dumb luck, but what happens when (not if) the specifications change? Defrensive programming can save your butt. (4)No, the claim is that such cases exist, not

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

While your code is obviously wrong, there is no reason to do it this way any more. IBM has provided CSVDYLPA to do it. On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 19:06:35 -0400 Joseph Reichman wrote: :>Hi :> :> :> :>I have a number of programs I am trying to move to CSA towards this end I :>need to know the

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

I forgot only Murdoch owned sources are factual. Oh, and the Hindu Times. On Monday, August 23, 2021, 07:41:29 AM EDT, Joe Monk wrote: First off ... politifact. Enough said. Not a credible source. Second, look up the Gitmo 5. The actual guys in charge, not superficial.

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

How would you handl calls to sepaerately compiled subroutines without RLD? How would you write PIC that called external subroutines? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]

IGD07002I VOLUME FR0303 NOT AVAILABLE

Hi, We have two LPARS M2VS and TST1. They both share the DASD. While running the job from TST1 LPAR we got the below message in spool. But am able to run the same job from M2VS LPAR. Can you please help me out. IGD07002I VOLUME FR0303 NOT AVAILABLE. 1) SMS is active 2) Volume

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, "defensive" ... What exactly are you asking? If you mean military-related, the answer is no. Regards, David On 2021-08-23 05:45, Seymour J Metz wrote: IBM defensive patent? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Show your code. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Joseph Reichman [reichman...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 7:06 PM To:

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, My patent was not defensive. Regards, David On 2021-08-23 07:50, Seymour J Metz wrote: A defensive patent is when you patent something that should not be patentable, for the sole purpose of preventing others for patenting the same "invention". It's a lot less expensive

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

At least he doesn't support a president who was in bed with a soviet secret agent. Or did you think that validimir puta was a liberal? Also, you clearly haven't got any idea what communism is. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Agree. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 9:50 PM, Ron Wells <02ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Stop the politics..get enough of it on news BS -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Savor, Thomas Sent:

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

1.) It's run together; put each statement on a separate line 2.) It's incomplete; show everything from the load to the S0C4 -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

A defensive patent is when you patent something that should not be patentable, for the sole purpose of preventing others for patenting the same "invention". It's a lot less expensive then having to defend an infringement claim, even if you eventually get that patent invalidated. It wouldn't be

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

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Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Ever since I left the 650 behind I've gotten multiple debug shots per day. Desk checking for syntax is a waste of time. Desk checking the logic is not. The compiler only catches the easy errors. That said, desk checking these days can and should involve tools to speed it up. -- Shmuel

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 09:34:55 +1000 Wayne Bickerdike wrote: :>Number of lines of code is a meaningless measure. :>In PL/1 : :>MASSIVE_STRUCTURE = '' ; /* 2,000 FIELDS DECIMAL, BINARY, CHAR, FLOAT */ :>ASSEMBLER: :>Quite a few MVC instructions and lots of initial DCs :>COBOL : :>MOVE ZERO TO

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

On the flip side, anybody that copies without understanding the original is asking for trouble. Then they blame the author of the original. BTDT,GTTS I don't have the statistics, but I believe that I've written more programs > 1000 lines than I have <50 lines. I probably have some really short

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

My gas prices are $2.95 a gallon. Same as in 2018. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 9:47 PM, Savor, Thomas <0330b7631be3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Typical Liberal.trying your best to spin it into Trumps fault...all Trump tried to do is get the

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

$4.25 a gallon in DC last week. Steve Gorham, Baltimore -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Re: IGD07002I VOLUME FR0303 NOT AVAILABLE [EXTERNAL]

You did not say if the two lpars share the same SMS configuration. You may want to verify that the volume is defined in the active SMS configuration as seen from TST1. IGD07002I VOLUME volser NOT AVAILABLE Explanation The storage management subsystem (SMS) was invoked for disposition

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

No, if the load module contains address constants then the copy won't work. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent:

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

First off ... politifact. Enough said. Not a credible source. Second, look up the Gitmo 5. The actual guys in charge, not superficial. https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/how-khairullah-khairkhwa-released-from-guantanamo-bay-planned-taliban-s-return-101629182398683.html Joe On Mon, Aug

Relocatability (was: Load Library Module Length ...)

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 11:54:19 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: [Re: ] >How would you handl calls to sepaerately compiled subroutines without RLD? How >would you write PIC that called external subroutines? > If statically linked: LA

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

My dad had dementia. Biden does not. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 9:47 PM, Savor, Thomas <0330b7631be3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Typical Liberal.trying your best to spin it into Trumps fault...all Trump tried to do is get the Afgan folks

Re: Modifying block size of LTO5 drive

How is it related to IBM-MAIN? Just curious. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 22.08.2021 o 17:51, Jake Anderson pisze: Hello I am just trying to understand if we can modify the block size of LT05 drive. Currently it is having a block size of 80k and Is it possible to modify to

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Here is My Code LOAD EP=OPENFILE SLL R1,8 GET RID OF THE AUTH CODE SRL R1,5 LENGTH IS VALUE TIMES 8 ST R1,OPENLEN This generates X'4000' in r1 This is what I see in ISPF Browse BROWSE JOER.DBGR.DLLLIB Row 015 of 025 Command ===> Scroll ===> CSR Name Prompt Alias-of Size TTR AC AM RM .

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

I'm going to have to check my communist sources at the University. When is trump being reinstated? On Monday, August 23, 2021, 08:02:33 AM EDT, Joe Monk wrote: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/five-guantanamo-detainees-to-be-exchanged-for-bergdahl/

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

IBM defensive patent? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 6:15 AM To:

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

I always hated places that did not allow me to do my own keypunching. When you submitted corrections, there was always the risk that the key-punch operator would introduce new errors. I was generally involved with software with evolving requirements, so even a clean compile and execution didn't

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 17:04:20 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Not what you asked, but can one MVCL a load module from one address to >another and rely on its executing correctly? What about relocatable address >constants? (Less necessary today than once upon a time due to LARL, but >still lots of

Re: TCP/IP Sysplex Distributor Options

Requirement: 4 LPAR's defined. This user wants to run a the same server application on each LPAR. But he wants the users to use one IP address and it will always get one of the server applications. What do you need to achieve? To me this sounds like 4 active copies of the application with load

Re: IGD07002I VOLUME FR0303 NOT AVAILABLE

Is the device online? > On Aug 23, 2021, at 05:37, Manoj Bandi > <03ba0b4ca1cc-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Hi, > > We have two LPARS M2VS and TST1. They both share the DASD. While running the > job from TST1 LPAR we got the below message in spool. But am able to run the >

Re: Relocatability (was: Load Library Module Length ...)

OPEN? (Non-reentrant) DCB EODAD and EXLST? I think many of the standard form macros. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Stein Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: IGD07002I VOLUME FR0303 NOT AVAILABLE [EXTERNAL]

The volume is defined on a SMS Storage Group on that system. On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 9:33 PM kekronbekron <02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Sorry, maybe it's just me having a moment of brain fog or having trouble > recollecting the right reasoning for this. > Can you

Re: IGD07002I VOLUME FR0303 NOT AVAILABLE [EXTERNAL]

Sorry, maybe it's just me having a moment of brain fog or having trouble recollecting the right reasoning for this. Can you please help me understand what 'volume belongs to LPAR x' means? Don't 'get' how there's an owner LPAR for a shared volume... - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On

Re: Relocatability (was: Load Library Module Length ...)

On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 04:17:19PM -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > > Which, BTW, is not as easy as it sounds. > > Consider, for example, DC A(FOO-BAR) where FOO and BAR are in different > CSECTs that may be scatter-loaded. Do any assembler macros generate inline relocatable address constants

Re: [External] Programs that work right the first time.

Seems you invented 'pair programming' as promoted in Extreme Programming and other development methods that day. And also demonstrated that pair programming actually works !  Fred! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: maandag 23

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

My apologies if this has already been mentioned, but the likelihood of a program I've written executing correctly the first time, is almost always commensurate with the time I've spent reviewing/walking thru the code before testing. For me, this relationship holds true regardless of language.

Re: [External] Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

And most of the crap on this thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with IBM-Main! Take your political pontificating somewhere else!!! Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

I understand I’ll redo my test before posting To obtain the info Thanks > On Aug 23, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Jim Mulder wrote: > >  For diagnosis, I require facts. > Was the module loaded from a PDS, or from a PDSE? > What does the D DIAG command display (or > VERBX IGVDGNIP under

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 11:10:33 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote: > You said you got a 0C4 abend on an MVCL. > Is this relevant to what JR intends to do?: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.3.0?topic=programs-search-order-system-uses ... Modules that have previously been loaded in common area

Re: SLIP ACTION=TARGETID

The way I determined that the events were missed is because no SLIP TRAP MATCHED message. I will send you the SLIP commands privately. On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 11:25:01 -0400 Jim Mulder wrote: :> Please show the SLIP commands, and the :>details of the method by which you determined that events

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

On 8/23/2021 10:20 AM, Joseph Reichman wrote: Wonder how ISPF determines the size I expect it looks at the directory entry like the rest of us... :) PDS2STOR is what I use. Cheers, Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

You said you got a 0C4 abend on an MVCL. What what the source address and length for the MVCL? What was the target address and length for the MVCL? What was the Translation Exception Id? From a dump, what was the length and address from the system trace entry for the GETMAIN which

Re: SLIP ACTION=TARGETID

Please show the SLIP commands, and the details of the method by which you determined that events were missed. Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" wrote on 08/23/2021 10:57:23 AM: > From: "Binyamin Dissen" > To:

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Yes, it is trivial to write a program that relocates itself and is not reliant on loader relocation of address constants. That was not my point. My point was that generally speaking programs are not written that way, so moving "some" program with MVCL is not likely to result in a usable image.

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Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Maybe I should be doing that and with the load use BLDL Quite honestly Greg this is what I was looking for when I posted Thank you > On Aug 23, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Greg Price wrote: > > On 8/23/2021 10:20 AM, Joseph Reichman wrote: >> Wonder how ISPF determines the size > > I expect

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

For diagnosis, I require facts. Was the module loaded from a PDS, or from a PDSE? What does the D DIAG command display (or VERBX IGVDGNIP under IPCS)? If the amount of storage obtained by the system for the module is less than the length reported by LOAD, that would be a problem. I

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Classification: Confidential While I agree completely with what you said, please leave politics off the list. Thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Savor, Thomas Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 6:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re:

SLIP ACTION=TARGETID

It appears that there is a delay between the triggering SLIP being matched and the TARGET SLIP being enabled so that events may be missed. My test was to explicitly specify the TARGET SLIP (A=TRACE, if it matters) and it hit. But when I used a TARGETing SLIP, it did not hit. It was for very few

Re: IGD07002I VOLUME FR0303 NOT AVAILABLE [EXTERNAL]

Hi Paul Feller, Thanks a lot for your help. The FR03xx volumes belong to M2VS LPAR, which means that only M2VS can create NEW datasets on them. But we ran the job from TST1 LPAR to delete the FR03xx volume dataset. That's why we got the " IGD07002I VOLUME FR0303 NOT AVAILABLE". Thanks &

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Jim I ran this under TESTAUTH but I can get the information What it seem to me the load or load extinfo or CSVQUERY don’t provide the correct length of the module The length from the directory entry was hex 3530 CSV reported the length as hex 4000 When I looked at roughly the last hex

Re: [External] Programs that work right the first time.

Bob, No politics, no braggery. :-) I have written a total of 1 program that compiled and ran clean first time. Early '80s, NCR mini computer and Cobol. Hardware failures due to environmentals had caused us to lose the computer and all our A/R transactions for the day. NCR hobbled enough

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Actually, that's not a bad point; I didn't think of it when I posted originally (a post I'm sorely tempted to regret now, by the way, if only I went in for that sort of thing) but my 40-line programs are that short only because they depend on external routines that are much longer. More of my

Re: [External] Programs that work right the first time.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, at 18:44, Bill Johnson wrote: > Similar to DC, define constant. But not constant. I neither understand that comment (in the context of my "Add Halfword" one, nor the "AH" comment in reply to what Rex posted. Would you mind elucidating? > On Monday, August 23, 2021,

Re: SMF type 80 (RACF)

Smf92? בתאריך יום ב׳, 23 באוג׳ 2021 ב-21:01 מאת Pierre Fichaud : > Relocation section type 4 is a 1-byte bit map describing the access > allowed. > There is a footnote (#2) attached to it. > In the footnote, the bits have a different meaning for RACROUTE > REQUEST=DIRAUTH. > Where in the SMF

OT: MVS-OE listserv admin not responding, does anyone know another way to contact them?

I sent a question about not receiving copies of my own emails to MVS-OE (despite having the REPRO option set) to the MVS-OE listserv request address and got back a request to approve the message (a spam reduction effort on their part) and so I approved it and got back messages indicating that

Re: dump command not working

It means that the capture phase of a prior dump is still in progress. If subsequent D D commands do not show the SPACE USED=xM value to be increasing, the the prior dump is probably hung. If you are in a position to take a standalone dump, that can be helpful for diagnosis by IBM

Re: OT: MVS-OE listserv admin not responding, does anyone know another way to contact them?

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 20:15:59 +, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: >I sent a question about not receiving copies of my own emails to MVS-OE >(despite having the REPRO option set) to the MVS-OE listserv request address >and got back a request to approve the message (a spam reduction effort on

Re: OT: MVS-OE listserv admin not responding, does anyone know another way to contact them?

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Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Metal C invokes HLASM, right? If you look at the RLD list (optional listing) you can see if there are any RLDs. If there are then your technique *probably* will not work. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of

Re: [External] Programs that work right the first time.

No problem with AH digs however. On Monday, August 23, 2021, 12:48:16 PM EDT, Pommier, Rex wrote: Bob, No politics, no braggery.  :-)  I have written a total of 1 program that compiled and ran clean first time.  Early '80s, NCR mini computer and Cobol.  Hardware failures due to

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 13:17:21 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >My question again isn’t this typical when writting SRB code > >You just have to remember instead of L RX,=A to do LA RX > Is the code you wish to MVCL written entirely to that convention: no relocatable ADCONs, VCONs, etc.? Even one

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Leaving the political things out, for good reason ... IMHO, the number of lines of a program can only be a very rough first guess on program complexity. As others pointed out, the programming languages have very different levels of information density, for example a language which has powerful

SMF type 80 (RACF)

Relocation section type 4 is a 1-byte bit map describing the access allowed. There is a footnote (#2) attached to it. In the footnote, the bits have a different meaning for RACROUTE REQUEST=DIRAUTH. Where in the SMF record can I determine that a REQUEST=DIRAUTH was issued ? Or where can I

dump command not working

I am trying to get a dump for IBM with the following commands: dump comm=( DUMP) r ##,jobname=(dt11mstr,dt11dbm1,dt11irlm,dt11dist,omvs),cont r ##,sdata=(rgn,csa,lsqa,sqa,psa,swa,lpa,trt,grsq,sum,allnuc),end it keeps saying "IEE711I SYSTEM DUMP NOT TAKEN. ANOTHER DUMP WAS IN PROGRESS" I

Re: [External] Programs that work right the first time.

Similar to DC, define constant. But not constant. On Monday, August 23, 2021, 01:42:29 PM EDT, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, at 18:31, Bill Johnson wrote: >  No problem with AH digs however. What is "AH", apart from Add Halfword? >    On Monday, August 23, 2021,

Re: [External] Programs that work right the first time.

Fun to remember incidents like that; mine (and there aren't many) help keep me going on the days I find EVERY POSSIBLE WRONG WAY to do something that looked simple when I breezily told my boss it would take me "just a couple hours, tops". In fact, I felt pleasantly, vicariously triumphant just

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 13:59:21 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote: >The code is metal C I need to be able to access it from any address space >hence the move CSA >I could do a load to global but I would like to keep everything in one spot > Interesting. The only mention of relocatability in the

Re: SMF type 80 (RACF)

Have a look at smf92. May it there. בתאריך יום ב׳, 23 באוג׳ 2021 ב-21:01 מאת Pierre Fichaud : > Relocation section type 4 is a 1-byte bit map describing the access > allowed. > There is a footnote (#2) attached to it. > In the footnote, the bits have a different meaning for RACROUTE >

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

My question again isn’t this typical when writting SRB code You just have to remember instead of L RX,=A to do LA RX > On Aug 23, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > > Yes, it is trivial to write a program that relocates itself and is not > reliant on loader relocation of address

Re: [External] Programs that work right the first time.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021, at 18:31, Bill Johnson wrote: > No problem with AH digs however. What is "AH", apart from Add Halfword? > On Monday, August 23, 2021, 12:48:16 PM EDT, Pommier, Rex > wrote: > > Bob, > > No politics, no braggery.  :-)  I have written a total of 1 program >

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

The code is metal C I need to be able to access it from any address space hence the move CSA I could do a load to global but I would like to keep everything in one spot Thanks > On Aug 23, 2021, at 1:39 PM, Paul Gilmartin > <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On

Re: dump command not working

Restart the DUMPSRV address space. That might help but no guarantees. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, August 23rd, 2021 at 3:37

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Technical debt :) > On 22 Aug 2021, at 2:52 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > What is an application with thousands of lines of REXX code, chopped liver? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

Like systems in Easytrieve lazy JUNK -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 7:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Programs that work right the first time. ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION **

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

I believe that someone asked a similar question and he wrote something about wanting it "in one place"; I'm not sure what he meant. Certainly using documented and supported interfaces is safer for a neophyte. As to the original issue, there are lots of ways to get the correct length, but until

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

metal C supports AR programming with far keyword typically used for data spaces but with the alet is on DU-AL I can address data from another address space I am using BLDL to get the module length I think it will work > On Aug 23, 2021, at 6:07 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > Why ask

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Here is the code below The SLL 1,8 AMD SRL 1,5 basically shift r1 left for 3 multiply by 8 and gives and value of X’4000’ when I use LOAD with EXTINFO same Result CSVQUERY same Its wrong Here is the ISPF browse BROWSE JOER.DBGR.DLLLIB Row 015 of 025 Command ===> Scroll ===> CSR Name

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

It doesn't matter whether the code is Metal C or RPG; what matters is that you show the code to the people that you are asking to help you. Whether "it" will work depends on what "it" is; you haven't chosen to disclose that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Instead of doing an MVCL I can do the load with ADDR parm I still need to know the TRUE length to find out how much storage to obtain Truth everybody here has pointed sone flaws I had and using BLDL and LOAD with ADDR Should rectify it So for that all I have to say in all sincerity

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

If I wrote code that looked this way, it wouldn't work either...  On 8/23/2021 3:29 PM, Joseph Reichman wrote: Here is the code below The SLL 1,8 AMD SRL 1,5 basically shift r1 left for 3 multiply by 8 and gives and value of X’4000’ when I use LOAD with EXTINFO same Result CSVQUERY same Its

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Ed give me a chance I have gotten pretty far with it -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 6:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values If

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

In this case, I am sure Ed is referring to the total inability to understand it, with this wrapping jumble. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Joseph Reichman > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 3:45 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re:

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Why not just use CSVDYLPA? I can vouch from personal experience that it works as advertised. I recall having very little difficulty getting going with it. (Can't say that I am one of those folks whose program worked the first time LOL.) Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

I thought FLOWASM handled that. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 4:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length

Re: Programs that work right the first time.

I'm looking at a home-grown REXX script that is 1690 lines long, and in some REXX circles it would be considered tiny. It does use external utilities, but is by no means just glue. I'd bet that there are edit macros orders of magnitude larger. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Why ask everyone to play guessing games? Show *ALL* of the code from the LOAD to the MVCL. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Joseph Reichman

Re: Relocatability (was: Load Library Module Length ...)

> If dynamically loaded, read the module to any location with a > channel program. RLDs were resolved by linker. The binder and linkage editor relocate addresses relative to the module. Somebody still has to adjust them relative to where you read in the module. Which, BTW, is not as easy as it

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

Normally if I paste it with courier new font It’s readable > On Aug 23, 2021, at 6:57 PM, Gibney, Dave > <03b5261cfd78-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > In this case, I am sure Ed is referring to the total inability to understand > it, with this wrapping jumble. > >>

Re: Relocatability (was: Load Library Module Length ...)

> Which, BTW, is not as easy as it sounds. Consider, for example, DC A(FOO-BAR) where FOO and BAR are in different CSECTs that may be scatter-loaded. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent:

Re: Load Library Module Length and Load Macro Module Length different Values

On 8/23/2021 3:57 PM, Gibney, Dave wrote: In this case, I am sure Ed is referring to the total inability to understand it, with this wrapping jumble. Indeed. The comment was made in jest... -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245