Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Phil Smith III
David Spiegel wrote, in part: >You said: "... as literal is never valid in those places, ..." >You've made an incorrect assumption. No, we've made an incorrect observation, or one that is no longer correct.thanks! You and Gil (and others) have pointed me in a new direction, which I will

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Phil, You said: "...The SYMBOLS= stuff might help here ..." "might"??? -- No! ... "will" Here is another one you might like. (I use it to rename Cataloged Procedures during software upgrades.) //  EXPORT SYMLIST=* // SET DSN=my.PROCLIB // SET VOLUME=xx // SET

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 10:15:59 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: >Hi Phil, >You said: "...The SYMBOLS= stuff might help here ..." >"might"??? -- No! ... "will" > Your approach was similar to mine. We agree; we must be right. Phil suspected problems with instream SYMBOLS-. I envision a couple.

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Phil Smith III
Gil wrote: > Is he too sharp tobe wrong? Of course not. Why would you say that? I just meant that he was explicit about it, had used variables/symbols wherever possible, couldn't get them to work in this case. >What's he mean by "not just the single SET statement for each."? >It appears as if

Re: emacs (was: Re: Has anyone)

2023-08-25 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023, at 21:59, David Crayford wrote: >You are never too old to learn new things. Cognitive decline happens with illness and/or age. Don't assume it won't happen to you too. There comes a point where although one could make a huge effort to learn new ways of doing old things,

Re: "XYZZY"?

2023-08-25 Thread Bob Bridges
Boy, ain't that the truth! For a long time as a youth, reading a lot of science fiction, I had this verb in my head "infrare" (rhymes with "red hair"); it means to manipulate light so that its wavelength falls just below the visible spectrum. Light that has gone through this process has been

Re: TS1170

2023-08-25 Thread Nigel Morton
I think the latest drive supported for TS7700 attachment is still the TS1160. On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 at 21:05, Radoslaw Skorupka < 0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > FYI IBM released new tape drive. > TS1170 with new media JF gives 50TB (150TB) per cart. > A previously, the

Re: Updating IEEMB846

2023-08-25 Thread Rob Schramm
>From a manual out on manualwiki.. An installation can use the IBM-supplied IEEMBS46 or create its own module in SYS1.LlNKLIB. The SMFTSOCM member of SYS1.SAMPLIB is provided so that the user can add or delete commands for the installation. The SMFTSOCM member contains the source code for the

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 08:58:51 AM PDT, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 10:15:59 -0400, David Spiegel wrote: >> Hi Phil, >> You said: "...The SYMBOLS= stuff might help here ..." >> "might"??? -- No! ... "will" > Your approach was similar to mine.  We agree; we must be right.

Re: TS1170

2023-08-25 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka
Yes, it is knowledge in *current* documentation. TS1170 is *very fresh* topic. Almost no IBM source mention it. Even official PDF leaflet links to details on a page which not yet exists. However I'm pretty sure the TS1170 will be supported by VTS. BTW: few years ago Fujifilm and IBM informed

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:40:57 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote: > >>install JCL? Do you think we can't write rexx, use ISPF JCL tailoring, > >Not sure who "we" is. If you mean customers, then no, I know from experience >that many of "you" cannot do many of those things, or have trouble with it. >Even

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Phil Smith III
Jon Perryman wrote: >Does anyone believe that symbols is causing the problem with SMP/e >install JCL? Do you think we can't write rexx, use ISPF JCL tailoring, >ISPF edit macros or the many other tools that everyone else uses to >tailor JCL? Not sure who "we" is. If you mean customers,

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Colin Paice
Kurt, Is there a demo Portable Software Instance that could used to try out the Z/OSMF stuff, for example a HelloWorld program Colin On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 at 21:47, Kurt Quackenbush wrote: > > Yes. As I wrote before, there's way too much "take this job > and find the 27 places that say XYZZY and

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
> Is there a demo Portable Software Instance that could used to try out the > Z/OSMF stuff, for example a HelloWorld program Absolutely! Go to this page and find the "Try it" tab. There you'll find links to where you can download a sample Portable Software Instance (PSWI) for a small

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 18:49:49 +, Jon Perryman wrote: > >Does anyone believe that symbols is causing the problem with SMP/e install >JCL? Do you think we can't write rexx, use ISPF JCL tailoring, ISPF edit >macros or the many other tools that everyone else uses to tailor JCL? > I believe that

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-25 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:57:33 AM PDT, Steve Thompson > wrote: > With Linux distros there are a few maint systems. The one I am > most familiar with is RPM. Linux (nor Unix) does NOT have any maint systems. P in RPM stands for Package which is the z/OS equivalent of product /

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-25 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Tthere isn't really any direct equivalence between RPM and SMP/E concepts of maintenance. Since a large Linux application (like LibreOffice) may be packaged as several interdependent packages, in that sense a package is similar to an FMID of a z/OS product; but the number of pieces/files

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Jon Perryman
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 01:41:17 PM PDT, Phil Smith III > wrote: >> Jon Perryman wrote: >> Do you think we can't write rexx, use ISPF JCL tailoring, ISPF edit >> macros or the many other tools that everyone else uses to tailor JCL? > Not sure who "we" is. If you mean customers Sorry,

Re: "XYZZY"?

2023-08-25 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Brian, You said: "...(when your really bored) ..." *you're Regards, David I On 2023-08-25 00:41, Brian Westerman wrote: I hear a bunch of odd ways people pronounce our company name "Syzygy", a lot of them put an "R" in there at the middle and some have it start with a "Z", and some get more

Re: "XYZZY"?

2023-08-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
I can imagine several ways to pronounce it, but none involve an R or a fourth syllable. I've always pronounced the first S the same as any other English S, the first two Ys as I as in it and the third Y as E as in the. But a lot of my vocabulary comes from reading, so that could be very wrong.

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
> He also noted this: When? For decades there was no symbol substitution for instream data, but that hasn't been the case for a long time. Still, the rules are a bit clumsy. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Another thing ... Do you remember IPOUPDTE? "The utility you are about to see is true; the name has been changed to protect the innocent." - Jack Webb, Dragnet. Isn't it still there with CPP instead of IPO? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
> There are places in SMP/E jobs that can't use symbols. What does that refer to? Are you saying that you want to be able to use a symbol in DDDEF and have it resolved dynamically each time SMP looks up the ddname in subsequent jobs? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Is SMP/E needed for installs?

2023-08-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
> "take this job and find the 27 places that say XYZZY and change them to the > right HLQ." The // SET XYZZY= statement addresses your 27 places issue. Are you asking for a symbol in the CSI itself rather than in the job? > Consider installing products on other operating systems: What other

Re: RPMs for installs and Maint: [WAS SMP/E needed for installs?]

2023-08-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
To clarify my previous reply: > To me YAST (the Linux equivalent of SMP/E) One component of Yast fills he same niche as SMP, but there are other components, e.g., partitioning, user administration. Is that also true of SMIT? > So you decide to download an ISO. Yast doesn't handle the install

IBM Semeru Runtime Certified Edition for z/OS, Version 17 is now available!

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