Re: Crypto Facility performance.

2013-05-13 Thread Massimo Biancucci
Hi again,

is there anybody who can answer my last (and maybe not least) question ?

Thank you in advance.
Massimo


2013/5/6 Massimo Biancucci mad4...@gmail.com

 Hi everybody,

 I want to thank you for your valuable support anyway I hope you'll have a
 little more patience and give me the final hint.

 What I've understood is that Protected Key is almost as secure as
 Secure Key but the clear everything and more in case of attack.

 Greg said: CSNBKEX (Key Export) and CSNBKIM (Key Import) are both secure
 key APIs, which are executed on the Crypto Express cards

 so, if I well understand, I can do nothing to use the local processor
 and still ICSF will use CryptoCard.

 If so, I can consider closed my trip on the topic.

 If not, do I have to modify my application (I'm expecting - NO) ? Is ICSF
 still doing the work for me (I'm expecting - YES) ? (I think there're
 different stuffs to do at RACF level).

 I'd not want to make my RACF colleagues working on a dead track and
 paying beers for the whole  century ! :D

 Thank you again.
 Massimo Biancucci


 2013/4/30 Todd Arnold arno...@us.ibm.com

  IMHO protected key *does require* CryptoExpress option, not for data
  processing, but for key storing.

 You are right.  The keys are stored in a form that is protected by the
 Crypto Express card.  Crypto Express unwraps the key and passes it directly
 to CPACF.  Thus, Crypto Express is needed in order to use the Protected Key
 CPACF features.

 Once CPACF receives the key from the Crypto Express, it re-wraps the key
 using a key encrypting key (KEK) that it generates.  That key is not
 permanent - it goes away if the system is restarted, etc.  Thus, keys
 wrapped under the CPACF KEK are not suitable for long-term storage, such as
 storage in CKDS.

 At a very high level, it works something like this:

 1.  Key read from CKDS
 2.  Key sent to Crypto Express
 3.  Crypto Express unwraps the key and sends the cleartext key directly
 to CPACF
 4.  CPACF rewraps the key with the volatile KEK it generated when it
 started up
 5.  CPACF returns the rewrapped key to the application program
 6.  Application program uses that rewrapped key in protected mode
 requests to CPACF
 .
 7.  When system is powered off, restarted, etc., the CPACF KEK is lost
 and it generates a new one
 8.  Repeat from step 1

 Todd Arnold

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TCPIP Problem

2013-05-13 Thread Grillo Paul
Staff of the forum,

Recently we had problems after cancel the TCPIP Trace, which was
necessary to IPL the partition of the z / OS 1.11 and consulting a
specialist product, it informed us that the TCPIP does not clean up
memory when it is canceled and ... when it makes a start of another
then this can cause problems.

Anyone had this problem?

Help is welcome

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z/VM and ICF

2013-05-13 Thread R.S.
Starting from z10 an LPAR in zVM mode supports mix of IFLs ad CPs and, 
of course, IFL cannot be used for z/OS guests.


What about Coupling Facility?
Does such LPAR mode support ICF processors?
What processors can be used for CF guest? CPs and ICFs?

Just curious.
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Re: ANTMAIN takes a lot of CPU

2013-05-13 Thread Peter Relson
open can of worms

When someone writes about excessive amount of CPU time, I'm always left 
wondering. 
A lot of CPU time, I understand. More than it used to, I understand. 
But excessive -- compared to what? 

If you ask for something to be done, whether explicitly or implicitly, it 
will take whatever amount of CPU time it takes. 
Maybe in the ANTMAIN case (I have no idea) you're lucky it's not done 
under your job and charged to you (as it perhaps could be).

If you view the amount as excessive, you might choose not to do that 
something. The amount of processing done might be intentional and 
necessary. Or it might be a problem. You're of course welcome to inquire 
and it will be looked at. But there is no necessary correlation between 
inquiry and change. 

/end-open

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design

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Re: z/VM and ICF

2013-05-13 Thread Geoff Rousell
Radoslaw,

The PR/SM planning guide is your friend here (SB10-7153 for z10 et al):

Chapter 3 Processor considerations for z/VM mode LPs:

In a z/VM mode partition, z/VM will:
snip
Operate coupling facility virtual machines in support of a Parallel Sysplex test
environment on ICFs and optionally on CPs.

Regards,

Geoff
IBM System z, UK

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Re: z/VM and ICF

2013-05-13 Thread Bob Shannon
What about Coupling Facility?
Does such LPAR mode support ICF processors?
What processors can be used for CF guest? CPs and ICFs?


We use an ICF for MVS guests under VM.  A CP can be used instead of an ICF, but 
when we stated to run out of capacity we saw severe Virtual Coupling Facility  
problems (i.e., delays) and had to switch to an ICF instead of a CP. The CP 
could not be dedicated to serve the VCF so it was also used for general 
processing.

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software

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Re: TCPIP Problem

2013-05-13 Thread Lizette Koehler
When you say  consulting a specialist product: what is that?

Did you contact IBM for assistance?  

Why are you cancelling TCPIP?  Is there a reason you cannot stop it normally?

Lizette


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Subject: TCPIP Problem

Staff of the forum,

Recently we had problems after cancel the TCPIP Trace, which was necessary to 
IPL the partition of the z / OS 1.11 and consulting a specialist product, it 
informed us that the TCPIP does not clean up memory when it is canceled and ... 
when it makes a start of another then this can cause problems.

Anyone had this problem?

Help is welcome

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Re: Business politics and software development

2013-05-13 Thread DASDBILL2
I have a friend who used to work for Microsoft in the area of performance 
monitoring of the operating system itself.  He was laid off three years ago.  
Microsoft is  more interested in new whiz-bang features and components than in 
performance improvement.  I guess their thinking is that the hardware 
developers will always find ways to speed up the CPU and then complaints about 
the software's performance will go away for a few more years. 


Bill Fairchild 
Franklin, TN 


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From: J. Leslie Turriff jlturr...@centurytel.net 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 6:53:19 PM 
Subject: Business politics and software development 

This is an interesting exposition on the subject.  I suppose that this 
is 
unavoidable in any business that produces large software systems. 

http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=74 

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Re: Co:z SFTP and Public/Private Key Authentication

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Goetze
Roger,

The FOTS1373 message is being emitted from Ported Tools OpenSSH.  Are you
able to connect a basic SSH session to the target system with that z/OS
user?

Because the Ported Tools SSH client can't be run under OMVS, The best way
to test this is to use a generic ssh client to connect to z/OS (like
PuTTY), then from the Unix System Services command prompt issue:  ssh
x...@some.host.name.  If you're prompted for a password, there's an issue
with your key setup.  The most common error is a bad file/directory
permission:

- Your $HOME directory must not be group writable
- $HOME/.ssh should be rwx for the user and not accessible by others
- Your private key (e.g. $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa) must be readable for the user
only
- You don't have have your public key properly available in your
$HOME/xyz/.ssh/authorized_keys file on some.host.name.  The most common
problem here is that the public key was transferred from z/OS without
translation.

If you can connect without a password prompt, you're using the keypair and
the problem is probably somewhere in the Co:Z SFTP script setup.  If this
is the case, let me know and I'll give you some trace settings to run with
so we can take a look.

--Steve
Dovetailed Technologies
www.dovetail.com


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Roger Lowe roger_l...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Hi Listers,
We are trying to use Co: z SFTP in batch with
 Public/Private key authentication and not having much success.

 JCL that we are using:

 //SFTPCAT EXEC PROC=SFTPPROC
 //SFTPIN DD *
 user=xyz
 host=some.host.name
 lzopts=mode=text
 ldsn=//DD:MYDD
 rpat=/u/abc/sftp.txt

 . $script_dir/sftp_cat.sh
 /*
 //MYDD  DD DSN=UID.SFTPCAT.DATA,DISP=(,CATLG),UNIT=SYSDA,
 //DCB=(LRECL=80,RECFM=FB),SPACE=(CYL,(3,1))

 (some fields have been changed to protect the innocent)
 .
 When we run the job, it produces the following error message -
 FOTS1373 Permission denied (publickey,password).
 .
 Have read the documentation and it is still not clear as to what we need
 to do to make use of private/public key authentication
 .
 Any ideas?
 .
 Thanks, Roger

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Re: TCPIP Problem

2013-05-13 Thread Grillo Paul
The cancellation was inadvertent action of an analyst, the question is
why this happens and if anyone has had this problem ... but if this is
not the list for which I may have answers to requests, I will go to
another group, then I apologize.

The expert consulted an analyst is representative of the product
software house ... IBM is reviewing and analyzing the dumps at the
moment before the IPL



2013/5/13, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com:
 When you say  consulting a specialist product: what is that?

 Did you contact IBM for assistance?

 Why are you cancelling TCPIP?  Is there a reason you cannot stop it
 normally?

 Lizette


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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
 Behalf Of Grillo Paul
 Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:50 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: TCPIP Problem

 Staff of the forum,

 Recently we had problems after cancel the TCPIP Trace, which was necessary
 to IPL the partition of the z / OS 1.11 and consulting a specialist product,
 it informed us that the TCPIP does not clean up memory when it is canceled
 and ... when it makes a start of another then this can cause problems.

 Anyone had this problem?

 Help is welcome

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Re: Business politics and software development

2013-05-13 Thread John McKown
Sounds like many of our users. Gotta have the fancy bling. If it needs
rebooting , that's just part of the cost.  Same in the food industry. Tasty
is better than healthy.
On May 13, 2013 7:57 AM, DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net wrote:

 I have a friend who used to work for Microsoft in the area of performance
 monitoring of the operating system itself.  He was laid off three years
 ago.  Microsoft is  more interested in new whiz-bang features and
 components than in performance improvement.  I guess their thinking is that
 the hardware developers will always find ways to speed up the CPU and then
 complaints about the software's performance will go away for a few more
 years.


 Bill Fairchild
 Franklin, TN


 - Original Message -
 From: J. Leslie Turriff jlturr...@centurytel.net
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 6:53:19 PM
 Subject: Business politics and software development

 This is an interesting exposition on the subject.  I suppose that
 this is
 unavoidable in any business that produces large software systems.

 http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=74

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Re: ML1 to ML2

2013-05-13 Thread Staller, Allan
For the current ML1 data, you can issue the commands directly (hsend migrate 
dsn(x) ML2).
There is a variation of the HSM LIST command that will show only the datasets 
on ML1.

You will still need (at least) 1 ML1 volume if you are using the AUTODUMP 
feature. This is where HSM stores the VTOC copies used in volume recovery.

For the data on Primary, I would set ML1 days equal to ML2 days in the 
Management Class definition..


HTH, 

snip
What I want to have happen
All migrations go directly to tape, no longer go to ML1 DASD.  But I still have 
a lot of migrated data on ML1 I need to get to ML2.  For that I suppose I can 
wait for it to roll off to ML2.

I changed the TAPEMIGRATION( DIRECT)  thinking that anything that migrated from 
this point forward would go to ML2 and not ML1.  But, nope, issued an HMIG 
command against a dataset and it went to ML1.
/snip

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Re: Co:z SFTP and Public/Private Key Authentication

2013-05-13 Thread Kirk Wolf
BTW: Co:Z SFTP uses IBM Ported Tools OpenSSH for the underlying ssh layer -
that is where authentication occurs.

You might want to take a look at the slides/recordings of the following
webinars on our site:

IBM Ported Tools for z/OS: OpenSSH - Key Authentication (Part 1)
IBM Ported Tools for z/OS: OpenSSH - Using Key Rings (Part 2)

http://dovetail.com/webinars.html

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Roger Lowe roger_l...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Hi Listers,
We are trying to use Co: z SFTP in batch with
 Public/Private key authentication and not having much success.

 JCL that we are using:

 //SFTPCAT EXEC PROC=SFTPPROC
 //SFTPIN DD *
 user=xyz
 host=some.host.name
 lzopts=mode=text
 ldsn=//DD:MYDD
 rpat=/u/abc/sftp.txt

 . $script_dir/sftp_cat.sh
 /*
 //MYDD  DD DSN=UID.SFTPCAT.DATA,DISP=(,CATLG),UNIT=SYSDA,
 //DCB=(LRECL=80,RECFM=FB),SPACE=(CYL,(3,1))

 (some fields have been changed to protect the innocent)
 .
 When we run the job, it produces the following error message -
 FOTS1373 Permission denied (publickey,password).
 .
 Have read the documentation and it is still not clear as to what we need
 to do to make use of private/public key authentication
 .
 Any ideas?
 .
 Thanks, Roger

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Re: TCPIP Problem

2013-05-13 Thread John McKown
This is a good group for this type of questions. Quite often we ask the
why? sort of questions, and want to make sure that you've remembered to
get official support from the vendor. We have occasionally had people come
here thinking this was an official IBM support site. And get upset when
nobody took ownership of their complaint. So we tend to want to reinforce
that this forum is a corner bar type of support forum.

Another possible group is called IBMTCP-L on Marist. Google will get u a
link. I'm at home on my tablet right now and so can't easily enter the
address.
 On May 13, 2013 8:07 AM, Grillo Paul arue...@gmail.com wrote:

 The cancellation was inadvertent action of an analyst, the question is
 why this happens and if anyone has had this problem ... but if this is
 not the list for which I may have answers to requests, I will go to
 another group, then I apologize.

 The expert consulted an analyst is representative of the product
 software house ... IBM is reviewing and analyzing the dumps at the
 moment before the IPL



 2013/5/13, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com:
  When you say  consulting a specialist product: what is that?
 
  Did you contact IBM for assistance?
 
  Why are you cancelling TCPIP?  Is there a reason you cannot stop it
  normally?
 
  Lizette
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
  Behalf Of Grillo Paul
  Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:50 AM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: TCPIP Problem
 
  Staff of the forum,
 
  Recently we had problems after cancel the TCPIP Trace, which was
 necessary
  to IPL the partition of the z / OS 1.11 and consulting a specialist
 product,
  it informed us that the TCPIP does not clean up memory when it is
 canceled
  and ... when it makes a start of another then this can cause problems.
 
  Anyone had this problem?
 
  Help is welcome
 
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Re: ICETOOL question

2013-05-13 Thread k Zaf
Dear All

I could never thought that DFSORT should help to produce percentages of the
records...

Thank you for your (more or less tricky) help
Kind regards

Kostas


On 10 May 2013 20:10, Norbert Friemel nf.ibmm...@web.de wrote:

 On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:53:40 -0500, K wrote:

 Two steps:

 //*
 //S1  EXEC PGM=ICETOOL
 //*
 //TOOLMSG   DD SYSOUT=*
 //DFSMSGDD SYSOUT=*
 //DATA  DD DISP=(,PASS),
 // DSN=amp;DATA,
 // SPACE=(80,(10,10)),AVGREC=U,
 // LRECL=80,RECFM=FB
 //TOTAL DD DISP=(,PASS),
 // DSN=amp;TOTAL,
 // SPACE=(80,(1,1)),AVGREC=U,
 // LRECL=80,RECFM=FB
 //INDD *
 AAA
 BBB
 AAA
 CCC
 AAA
 BBB
 /*
 //TOOLINDD *
   COPY  FROM(IN) TO(DATA)
   COUNT FROM(DATA) WRITE(TOTAL) TEXT('Total#,+') DIGITS(9) WIDTH(80)
 /*
 //*
 //S2  EXEC PGM=SORT
 //*
 //SYSOUTDD SYSOUT=*
 //SYMNOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
 //SORTINDD DISP=(OLD,DELETE),
 // DSN=amp;DATA
 //SORTOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
 //SYMNAMES  DD DISP=(OLD,DELETE),
 // DSN=amp;TOTAL
 //SYSIN DD *
  SORT FIELDS=(1,3,CH,A)
  INREC BUILD=(1,3,+1,TO=PD,LENGTH=5,Total#,TO=PD,LENGTH=5)
  SUM FIELDS=(4,5,PD)
  OUTREC BUILD=(1,3,(((4,5,PD,DIV,9,5,PD),ADD,+5),DIV,+10),
  EDIT=(IIIT,T%))
 /*


 Norbert Friemel


 Hi dear all,
 
 I would like to produce a statistic report using ICETOOL. This report
 should shown the percentage of records in the file according to their
 values e.g.
 
 Input:
 
 AAA
 BBB
 AAA
 CCC
 AAA
 BBB
 
 Output Percentages:
 
 AAA 50,0
 BBB 33,0
 CCC 16,7
 
 Is there any ICETOOL operator (like OCCUR) to find out the above
 percentage? Do I have to use various INCLUDE COND and then read the DFSMSG
 to extract percentages (from ICE054I 0 RECORDS - IN: xxx, OUT: yyy) ?
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 Kzafirop at gmail dot com
 
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Re: ML1 to ML2

2013-05-13 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Allan,

I think you mean set ML1 days equal to Primary days as there is no ML2 days 
parameter.

Once that is done, data currently on ML1 should become eligible for migration 
to ML2 thus eliminating the need to issue the HLIST and subsequent HMIG / ML2 
commands.

Mark,

What is the threshold value for your ML1 volumes? That might also be limiting 
your ability to migrate off of those volumes. It should be 1% as I don't think 
zero is valid. 

Thank You,
Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

From: Staller, Allan [allan.stal...@kbmg.com]
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 9:07 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ML1 to ML2

For the current ML1 data, you can issue the commands directly (hsend migrate 
dsn(x) ML2).
There is a variation of the HSM LIST command that will show only the datasets 
on ML1.

You will still need (at least) 1 ML1 volume if you are using the AUTODUMP 
feature. This is where HSM stores the VTOC copies used in volume recovery.

For the data on Primary, I would set ML1 days equal to ML2 days in the 
Management Class definition..


HTH,

snip
What I want to have happen
All migrations go directly to tape, no longer go to ML1 DASD.  But I still have 
a lot of migrated data on ML1 I need to get to ML2.  For that I suppose I can 
wait for it to roll off to ML2.

I changed the TAPEMIGRATION( DIRECT)  thinking that anything that migrated from 
this point forward would go to ML2 and not ML1.  But, nope, issued an HMIG 
command against a dataset and it went to ML1.
/snip

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Re: ML1 to ML2

2013-05-13 Thread Staller, Allan
Agreed. You are correct. I was just about to post an update. To my reponse..

Al Staller | Z Systems Programmer | KBM Group | (Tel) 972 664-3565 | 
allan.stal...@kbmg.com


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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:22 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ML1 to ML2

Allan,

I think you mean set ML1 days equal to Primary days as there is no ML2 days 
parameter.

Once that is done, data currently on ML1 should become eligible for migration 
to ML2 thus eliminating the need to issue the HLIST and subsequent HMIG / ML2 
commands.

Mark,

What is the threshold value for your ML1 volumes? That might also be limiting 
your ability to migrate off of those volumes. It should be 1% as I don't think 
zero is valid. 

Thank You,
Dave O'Brien
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Re: Co:z SFTP and Public/Private Key Authentication

2013-05-13 Thread Donald J.
Activate debug on both ends of connection.
Here is my jcl to do that on the client side:
//STEPNAME EXEC PGM=COZBATCH,REGION=0M,   
//   PARM='ru=userid8 rh=host1.xyz.com'
//STEPLIB  DD DISP=SHR,DSN=UTIL.TCP.COZ.LOADLIB   
//STDOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//STDERR   DD SYSOUT=*
//STDINDD DATA
ssh_opts=-oStrictHostKeyChecking=no 
cozsftp $ssh_opts -vvv -b- $ru@$rh EOB  
get filename.vb  //userid8.test1.txt  
EOB   
// 
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On Sun, May 12, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Roger Lowe wrote:
 Hi Listers,
We are trying to use Co: z SFTP in batch with
Public/Private key authentication and not having much
success.
 
 JCL that we are using:
 
 //SFTPCAT EXEC PROC=SFTPPROC
 //SFTPIN DD *   
 user=xyz   
 host=some.host.name  
 lzopts=mode=text  
 ldsn=//DD:MYDD
 rpat=/u/abc/sftp.txt
 
 . $script_dir/sftp_cat.sh   
 /*  
 //MYDD  DD DSN=UID.SFTPCAT.DATA,DISP=(,CATLG),UNIT=SYSDA,   
 //DCB=(LRECL=80,RECFM=FB),SPACE=(CYL,(3,1)) 
 
 (some fields have been changed to protect the innocent)
 .
 When we run the job, it produces the following error message - 
 FOTS1373 Permission denied (publickey,password).
 .
 Have read the documentation and it is still not clear as to what we need
 to do to make use of private/public key authentication
 .
 Any ideas?
 .
 Thanks, Roger
 
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Re: Examing Setting Return Codes in a CLIST/MACRO

2013-05-13 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 20130511.154412.1327...@webmail03.dca.untd.com, on 05/11/2013
   at 07:44 PM, esst...@juno.com esst...@juno.com said:

My question is How Do I properly Test and SET the Return Code in the
EDIT MACRO

LASTCC and MAXCC to test.

EXIT CODE(foo) to set.

Any examples would be appreciated.

  ISREDIT MACRO
  SET LROW = 00
  SET LCOL = 00
  SET LNUM = 00

  ISPEXEC VGET (V0) SHARED
  ISREDIT FIND XXX
  ISREDIT CHANGE 'XXX' 'V0' ALL
  ISREDIT SUB
  IF LASTCC  0 THEN EXIT CODE(4)
  ISREDIT CAN
  EXIT CODE(0)

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Re: ANTMAIN takes a lot of CPU

2013-05-13 Thread Sheldon Davis
 
My apologies if I was not clear or if I offended you.
Exessive for me was when ANTMAIN with a service class of SYSTEM took ninety 
percent CPU for about two minutes  while the flash copies were running.
Anyway the problem is solved thanks to Graham Harris.

Best Regards

Sheldon Davis


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open can of worms

When someone writes about excessive amount of CPU time, I'm always left 
wondering. 
A lot of CPU time, I understand. More than it used to, I understand. 
But excessive -- compared to what? 

If you ask for something to be done, whether explicitly or implicitly, it 
will take whatever amount of CPU time it takes. 
Maybe in the ANTMAIN case (I have no idea) you're lucky it's not done 
under your job and charged to you (as it perhaps could be).

If you view the amount as excessive, you might choose not to do that 
something. The amount of processing done might be intentional and 
necessary. Or it might be a problem. You're of course welcome to inquire 
and it will be looked at. But there is no necessary correlation between 
inquiry and change. 

/end-open

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z/OS Core Technology Design

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Re: TCPIP Problem

2013-05-13 Thread Steven St.Jean
The Comm Server stack used to manage its CTRACE storage in a data space.  In 
V1R13, this was moved to 64-bit common (HVCOMMON) storage.  The data space 
would have been deleted when the stack address space ended, but common storage 
has to be explicitly freed.  I have not seen this happen, but if you cancel a 
V1R13 (or later) stack, it's possible it could fail to free the storage.  I'd 
be surprised to see this in anything less than a catastrophic situation, like a 
forced cancel, or termination at end of memory.

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Staff of the forum,

Recently we had problems after cancel the TCPIP Trace, which was necessary to 
IPL the partition of the z / OS 1.11 and consulting a specialist product, it 
informed us that the TCPIP does not clean up memory when it is canceled and ... 
when it makes a start of another then this can cause problems.

Anyone had this problem?

Help is welcome

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Re: Business politics and software development

2013-05-13 Thread John Gilmore
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

This is a pervasive mainframe problem too.

I have not heard the term used recently, but for obvious reasons IBM
marketing people used to prize what they called 'hardware hawks' very
highly.

A hardware hawk was a customer executive whose unvarying response to
any and all problems was to throw more hardware at them.

In the short term this tactic often works.  In the slightly longer
term its use yields systems that become progressively harder and
harder to maintain and all but impossible to replace.

Looking at the litany of vulnerabilities documented in the posts I
receive from us-cert.gov has convinced me that almost every
application and all systems software needs to be rewritten ab initio.

They were designed, to the extent that they were designed, in a
simpler time.  They reflect the assumption that most of their users
will be benign, with only a few being prerternaturally stupid and a
few others bent on theft.

The only appropriate assumption now is that all users are bent upon
subverting and/or destroying the systems they use.

This assumption is of course hyperbolic: some users will always be too
lazy or too unimaginative to do much damage.  It is nevertheless
necessary.

The work of Rufus Isaacs on aircraft-collision avoidance, which I have
mentioned here before, is highly instructive.  He found that the only
safe collision-avoidance strategies for aircraft  A in an air space
also occupied by aircrafts B, C, D, . . . were based upon the
assumption they were hellbent on colliding suicidally with it.

This weekend, for the first time in a very long time, I looked at a
stream of problem reports for a compiler.  (It was a C compiler, but
that is not important.)  What struck me about them was that most of
those that involved syntactically constructs reflected 'bizarre' uses
of the language that would not occur to anyone who was proficient in
it.

The only way to cope with such deficiencies is to generate
syntactically correct constructs, however absurd,
mechanically/programmatically for testing.  Here, as elsewhere, malice
and ignorance are often very difficult to disentangle.


John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: ANTMAIN takes a lot of CPU

2013-05-13 Thread John Gilmore
The word excessive is sometimes, I think, legitimate shorthand for
unexpectedly large in comparison with what has been the case.

It is important is to remember that excess is symptomatic.  It
identifies something unfortunate that has happened.  The question who
is be blamed for that thing, when it is meaningful at all, is a
different one that may, often does, have an answer that is not the
obvious one.

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Re: Business politics and software development

2013-05-13 Thread Charles Mills
 They reflect the assumption that most of their users will be benign, with
only a few being preternaturally stupid 

I think most systems have been written with the assumption that most users
were folks like us. (Trusted, professional, benign, reasonably
knowledgeable.) 

Now nearly every system is to some extent accessible to every bad guy in a
basement in Russia.

Charles

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Subject: Re: Business politics and software development

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

This is a pervasive mainframe problem too.

I have not heard the term used recently, but for obvious reasons IBM
marketing people used to prize what they called 'hardware hawks' very
highly.

A hardware hawk was a customer executive whose unvarying response to any and
all problems was to throw more hardware at them.

In the short term this tactic often works.  In the slightly longer term its
use yields systems that become progressively harder and harder to maintain
and all but impossible to replace.

Looking at the litany of vulnerabilities documented in the posts I receive
from us-cert.gov has convinced me that almost every application and all
systems software needs to be rewritten ab initio.

They were designed, to the extent that they were designed, in a simpler
time.  They reflect the assumption that most of their users will be benign,
with only a few being prerternaturally stupid and a few others bent on
theft.

The only appropriate assumption now is that all users are bent upon
subverting and/or destroying the systems they use.

This assumption is of course hyperbolic: some users will always be too lazy
or too unimaginative to do much damage.  It is nevertheless necessary.

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Re: Business politics and software development

2013-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:46:45 -0400, John Gilmore wrote:

The work of Rufus Isaacs on aircraft-collision avoidance, which I have
mentioned here before, is highly instructive.  He found that the only
safe collision-avoidance strategies for aircraft  A in an air space
also occupied by aircrafts B, C, D, . . . were based upon the
assumption they were hellbent on colliding suicidally with it.

The John Madden / Isaac Asimov corollary:

If any of B, C, D, has a higher maximum airspeed and higher
operational ceiling than A, there is no safe strategy for A.

This weekend, for the first time in a very long time, I looked at a
stream of problem reports for a compiler.  (It was a C compiler, but
that is not important.)  What struck me about them was that most of
those that involved syntactically constructs reflected 'bizarre' uses
of the language that would not occur to anyone who was proficient in
it.
 
Plus those that would occur only to someone who was proficient in it.
(Or is that what you meant to say?)

The only way to cope with such deficiencies is to generate
syntactically correct constructs, however absurd,
mechanically/programmatically for testing.  Here, as elsewhere, malice
and ignorance are often very difficult to disentangle.
 
Fuzz testing.  Black Team.

-- gil

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Re: Business politics and software development

2013-05-13 Thread John Gilmore
Paul Gilmartin wrote:

begin  extract
Plus those that would occur only to someone who was proficient in it.
(Or is that what you meant to say?)
/end extract

I said what I meant to say.  At least some of the developers of a
compiler for language L are usually proficient in it.  In my
experienced highly nuanced tests of notional 'misuse' of a language by
those proficient in it are usually made by the developers of a a
compiler for it.  (This sort of thing can even, and in my view often
does, go too far in the name of 'strong typing'.)

What get short shrift are tests of constructs that would never occur
to someone who is proficient in language L.

Anachronistic criticism of past design decisions is not, of course,
what I had in mind.  The inventor of the nul-delimited string cannot
reasonably be blamed for the misuses of it that hackers now make.
Those who continue to externalize them can properly and should be so
blamed.  We live in an irrevocably changed world.  There will be no
return to Arcadia.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: ANTMAIN takes a lot of CPU

2013-05-13 Thread Graham Harris
I understand the root cause of this issue (which is essentially repetitive
parallel execution of large numbers of SRBs within ANTMAIN when
flashcopy eligibility/pairing checking is applied against very large
numbers of volumes) is recognised, and is intended to be addressed in a
future version of z/OS.  The way to avoid ANTMAIN CPU spikes for the time
being, appears to be to make the eligible volume target list as small as
possible, or turn off the flashcopy 'trigger' in whatever software you are
using (assuming you don't actually need flashcopy of course!)


On 13 May 2013 16:37, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:

 The word excessive is sometimes, I think, legitimate shorthand for
 unexpectedly large in comparison with what has been the case.

 It is important is to remember that excess is symptomatic.  It
 identifies something unfortunate that has happened.  The question who
 is be blamed for that thing, when it is meaningful at all, is a
 different one that may, often does, have an answer that is not the
 obvious one.

 John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: ANTMAIN takes a lot of CPU

2013-05-13 Thread Gibney, Dave
Since no one has asked yet, I will. 
Is SYSTEM the appropriate level of priority for this task?
I don't have any flashcopy here, so I have no experience or even knowledge of 
all that ANTMAIN does.


Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University


 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Graham Harris
 Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:38 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: ANTMAIN takes a lot of CPU
 
 I understand the root cause of this issue (which is essentially repetitive
 parallel execution of large numbers of SRBs within ANTMAIN when
 flashcopy eligibility/pairing checking is applied against very large
 numbers of volumes) is recognised, and is intended to be addressed in a
 future version of z/OS.  The way to avoid ANTMAIN CPU spikes for the time
 being, appears to be to make the eligible volume target list as small as
 possible, or turn off the flashcopy 'trigger' in whatever software you are
 using (assuming you don't actually need flashcopy of course!)
 
 
 On 13 May 2013 16:37, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The word excessive is sometimes, I think, legitimate shorthand for
  unexpectedly large in comparison with what has been the case.
 
  It is important is to remember that excess is symptomatic.  It
  identifies something unfortunate that has happened.  The question who
  is be blamed for that thing, when it is meaningful at all, is a
  different one that may, often does, have an answer that is not the
  obvious one.
 
  John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
 
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Re: TCPIP Problem

2013-05-13 Thread Andre Massena
A large cognac please.



En réponse à Grillo Paul arue...@gmail.com :
 -- Début du message d'origine 
 
 Thank Steven for his explanations. I'am not TCPIP team, I get
 better
 information about the problem that led us to having to IPL the
 LPAR,
 which was later contacted the specialist non-IBM product, that
 vacation in Greece , said he had warned the team that could
 not cancel
 TCPIP TRACE underway. Now after this tragic extent of taking
 out the
 LPAR, we are more apt to not let that happen again, because it
 caused
 huge financial losses to the company..
 
  Jorge Arueira Campos
 
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Re: ANTMAIN takes a lot of CPU

2013-05-13 Thread Ted MacNEIL
ANTMAIN is one of the tasks IBM automatically assigns to SYSTEM, iirc.
So, if this is (still) true, the answer is YES.
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Since no one has asked yet, I will. 
Is SYSTEM the appropriate level of priority for this task?
I don't have any flashcopy here, so I have no experience or even knowledge of 
all that ANTMAIN does.


Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University


 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Graham Harris
 Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 11:38 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: ANTMAIN takes a lot of CPU
 
 I understand the root cause of this issue (which is essentially repetitive
 parallel execution of large numbers of SRBs within ANTMAIN when
 flashcopy eligibility/pairing checking is applied against very large
 numbers of volumes) is recognised, and is intended to be addressed in a
 future version of z/OS.  The way to avoid ANTMAIN CPU spikes for the time
 being, appears to be to make the eligible volume target list as small as
 possible, or turn off the flashcopy 'trigger' in whatever software you are
 using (assuming you don't actually need flashcopy of course!)
 
 
 On 13 May 2013 16:37, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The word excessive is sometimes, I think, legitimate shorthand for
  unexpectedly large in comparison with what has been the case.
 
  It is important is to remember that excess is symptomatic.  It
  identifies something unfortunate that has happened.  The question who
  is be blamed for that thing, when it is meaningful at all, is a
  different one that may, often does, have an answer that is not the
  obvious one.
 
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Re: Co:z SFTP and Public/Private Key Authentication

2013-05-13 Thread Kirk Wolf
Agreed - it would be nice if TSO OMVS had a solution for masking passwords,
but it doesn't.

In the mean time, it is silly to completely disable the ssh client under
TSO OMVS - it would suffice to simply disable password-interactive mode
under the Ported Tools ssh client if a tty that doesn't support masking is
detected.

BTW - I always use an ssh telnet shell under z/OS rather than TSO OMVS,
which is brain-dead by comparison ( IMO :-)

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote:

 On Mon, 13 May 2013 09:04:28 -0400, Steve Goetze wrote:
 
 ... the Ported Tools SSH client can't be run under OMVS, ...
 
 I understand that the (only?) reason for this limitation is that
 (3270) OMVS doesn't correctly mask passwords being entered.

 If so, why doesn't IBM repair the defect in OMVS (which can
 affect programs other than SSH, even outside SSL) rather than
 restricting the function of SSH?

 Conway's Law, again?

 -- gil

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ICSF master keys at DR site

2013-05-13 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I'm pretty sure I know the answer (no), but I just want to make sure.  Is there 
any method other than loading the original key parts that one can load the 
current production keys into a cryptocard at another (DR) site?

No TKE available, if that makes a difference.

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Re: ICSF master keys at DR site

2013-05-13 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2013-05-13 23:18, Frank Swarbrick pisze:

I'm pretty sure I know the answer (no), but I just want to make sure.
Is there any method other than loading the original key parts that
one can load the current production keys into a cryptocard at another
(DR) site?


For master key, NO.


No TKE available, if that makes a difference.

No, it doesn't.


BTW: depending on your DR scenario, loading master keys may be a part of 
DR preparation recipe.


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Catalog interface question IGGCSI00 question

2013-05-13 Thread Micheal Butz
Hi

Using the catalog interface program IGGCSI00 

And say I am looking for all SYS1.*.  Datasets then CSIRESNM.  =  CL44'SYS1.*' ?
  
Thanks

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Re: Catalog interface question IGGCSI00 question

2013-05-13 Thread Sri h Kolusu
I believe you should use  CSIFILTK instead of CSIRESNM.  Look at the 
complete documentation of Catalog Search Interface User's Guide. Check 
section 11.3 which explains Selection Criteria Fields along with examples.


http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DGT2C191/11.0


Kolusu

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on 
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 From: Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net
 To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, 
 Date: 05/13/2013 03:30 PM
 Subject: Catalog interface question IGGCSI00 question
 Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
 
 Hi
 
 Using the catalog interface program IGGCSI00 
 
 And say I am looking for all SYS1.*.  Datasets then CSIRESNM.  = 
 CL44'SYS1.*' ?
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: Co:z SFTP and Public/Private Key Authentication

2013-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 13 May 2013 15:15:06 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote:

Agreed - it would be nice if TSO OMVS had a solution for masking passwords,
but it doesn't.
 
Long ago, before SSL was available, I went to PMR with this.  I even used
the magic word, security. I reported it as a problem with stty -echo,
and said that I thought the root cause was in tcsetattr().  Guess what?
IBM patched stty -echo and left tcsetattr() broken.  They may have made
a collateral comment that I should be using getpass() instead.

In the mean time, it is silly to completely disable the ssh client under
TSO OMVS - it would suffice to simply disable password-interactive mode
under the Ported Tools ssh client if a tty that doesn't support masking is
detected.

agreed.

BTW - I always use an ssh telnet shell under z/OS rather than TSO OMVS,
which is brain-dead by comparison ( IMO :-)
 
What!?  Have you no respect for the many decades of rich tradition behind
the 3270?  And scant appreciation for ISPF and OEDIT and OBROWSE?  What
do your peers think?  Can you not at least use an editor that emulates the
behavior of ISPF?  You seem to be as much a masochist as John M.

VM VTAM allows a session to wait concurrently for terminal output and for
keyboard input.  Porting that technology to TSO OMVS would eliminate
the need for the infuriating RUNNING/INPUT toggle and elevate TSO OMVS
from brain-dead to merely comatose.

-- gil

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Re: ANTMAIN takes a lot of CPU

2013-05-13 Thread nitz-...@gmx.net
 Since no one has asked yet, I will. 
 Is SYSTEM the appropriate level of priority for this task?
 I don't have any flashcopy here, so I have no experience or even knowledge of 
 all that ANTMAIN does.

Regardless if you use flashcopy or not, you'll have an ANTMAIN address space 
automatically started at IPL (and an ANTAS000). And SYSTEM is where the SPM 
rule in WLM puts it, so it must be on the list IBM maintains that puts things 
into SYSTEM. Not sure if that can be overwritten, though. (I do know that you 
cannot force CONSOLE out of SYSTEM anymore, and a good thing, too!)

Barbara

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Re: Co:z SFTP and Public/Private Key Authentication

2013-05-13 Thread Roger Lowe
Steve,
 Thank you for the info - the problem was related to permission 
settings on the users directory...

Thanks, Roger

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