Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

2013-05-15 Thread Timothy Sipples
There are also Enterprise License Agreements (ELAs) which probably at least
reduce the intensity of worrying about this stuff month to month. Ask your
IBM representative.


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HOST feature or understand a sentence

2013-05-15 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

If someone can help to understand this :
replacing the HOST hardware with a Intel (or AMD) Server where Linux 
will be the OS and the HOST feature is
emulated in order to avoid rewriting all the programs that are currently 
executed on the HOST machine.


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Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

2013-05-15 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2013-05-14 23:23, Ed Jaffe pisze:

On 5/14/2013 2:05 PM, R.S. wrote:

Why IBM does not provide price per MSU of z/OS, DB2, IMS, CICS, etc?
With possible discounts on n-th MSU, maybe as a formula.


Here in the U.S., we logon to
https://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/eswprice/PriceESW.wss to see System z
software prices for all metrics, including 'possible discounts on the
n-th MSU' (SIC)

You don't have access to this tool in your country?



You have attempted to access an IBMLink application which is currently 
not available in your country. 


In my country the only way to get info about prices is to ask IBMer and 
the IBMer can input data (software set, MSU) to the black box and get an 
answer. In that way, using several queries, you can have some idea about 
the curve price=f(MSU).


BTW: Since you have access to the IBM prices - what is the reason for 
purchasing third party tools like LCS?
IMHO the only thing I need is spreadsheet + price information from IBM + 
information what software is used and what MSU. Only second part seems 
to be a problem.

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Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

2013-05-15 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Timothy,

That is not exactly true. Even with an ELA, you are required to still collect 
the SMF data and submit the SCRT reports as before. It is just that the monthly 
invoice should be substantially lower! 

When I had an ELA, I compared the monthly LCS invoice against the monthly ELA 
amount to demonstrate to executive management the exact value of the ELA on a 
monthly basis.

Bob

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Of Timothy Sipples
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:07 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

There are also Enterprise License Agreements (ELAs) which probably at least 
reduce the intensity of worrying about this stuff month to month. Ask your IBM 
representative.


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Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

2013-05-15 Thread Richards, Robert B.
EMEA pricing is generally higher than the US pricing. At least that was my 
experience when I was a S/390 Client Rep. in Saudi Arabia sixteen years ago. 
Price lifts occurred sometimes by EMEA and also sometimes by the IBM x 
company (substitute your favorite country for x).

As to LCS, auditing the SCRT numbers was its original purpose. Also, it had the 
capability to exclude timeframes long before SCRT was enhanced to support it. 
In my years of using LCS, it has paid for itself every year in software 
savings. 

There is a column in the SCRT spreadsheets labeled Customer MSUs. I have used 
it on a monthly basis for COBOL charges for over a decade. As shipped, IBM's 
LPAR charges for COBOL are close to their z/OS peak consumption. LCS tracks 
actual usage using SMF 30 records and reports it real usage.  There is much 
more to LCS than I have described, but I'll leave that as an exercise for the 
reader to pursue at www.sherkow.com. 

Suffice it to say that I know of no other product that pays for itself many 
times over, in REAL dollars/euros/your currency.

Bob

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Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

W dniu 2013-05-14 23:23, Ed Jaffe pisze:
 On 5/14/2013 2:05 PM, R.S. wrote:
 Why IBM does not provide price per MSU of z/OS, DB2, IMS, CICS, etc?
 With possible discounts on n-th MSU, maybe as a formula.

 Here in the U.S., we logon to
 https://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/eswprice/PriceESW.wss to see System z 
 software prices for all metrics, including 'possible discounts on 
 the n-th MSU' (SIC)

 You don't have access to this tool in your country?


You have attempted to access an IBMLink application which is currently not 
available in your country. 

In my country the only way to get info about prices is to ask IBMer and the 
IBMer can input data (software set, MSU) to the black box and get an answer. In 
that way, using several queries, you can have some idea about the curve 
price=f(MSU).

BTW: Since you have access to the IBM prices - what is the reason for 
purchasing third party tools like LCS?
IMHO the only thing I need is spreadsheet + price information from IBM + 
information what software is used and what MSU. Only second part seems to be a 
problem.
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Re: Z/OS maintenance Slides

2013-05-15 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Peter, 
There are several presentations out on the SHARE website: 

Successful Practices for Installing and Rolling Out z/OS Maintenance - User 
Experience
http://www.share.org/p/do/sd/sid=8265fid=8294req=direct

A Different Way to Perform z/OS Maintenance 
https://share.confex.com/share/119/webprogram/Session11581.html

z/OS Maintenance Best Practices - The Rationale Behind the Recommendations
http://www.share.org/p/do/sd/sid=4760fid=4759req=direct

IBM and a User Present Their Philosophy About Applying Maintenance on z/OS
http://www.share.org/p/do/sd/sid=934fid=933req=direct

And for CA Products: 

CA's Mainframe 2.0: Simplifying the Installation, Deployment, and Configuration 
of CA Products on z/OS
http://www.share.org/p/do/sd/sid=1313type=0

CA Mainframe Software Manager: User Experiences and V5.1 Update 
https://share.confex.com/share/119/webprogram/Handout/Session11840/MSM11840MAM.pdf
https://share.confex.com/share/119/webprogram/Handout/Session11840/Anaheim_2012_Session_11840_handout_Zelden.pdf
https://share.confex.com/share/119/webprogram/Handout/Session11840/Anaheim_SHARE_MSM_11840.pdf

You should be using http://www.share.org/p/se/in/  to search for presentations. 
If you're having trouble with that, 
please feel free to contact me and I can assist. 

Thanks!
Mary Anne Matyaz
SHARE MVS Core Technologies Project Manager 

On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:53:29 +0530, mf db dbajava...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

I am looking for some presentation or PPT on Z/OS maintenance on Share Site
but I am not able to get one. Could someone share me a similar one or
Direct to a link where I could get.

Peter

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Re: HOST feature or understand a sentence

2013-05-15 Thread Mike Schwab
This is writing an emulator for the host environment to run on x86 or
x64 hardware.
I.E. Hercules for S/370+, System I for AS/400 hardware.

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Miklos Szigetvari
miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote:
 If someone can help to understand this :
 replacing the HOST hardware with a Intel (or AMD) Server where Linux will
 be the OS and the HOST feature is
 emulated in order to avoid rewriting all the programs that are currently
 executed on the HOST machine.

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Re: HOST feature or understand a sentence

2013-05-15 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

On 15.05.2013 12:19, Mike Schwab wrote:

This is writing an emulator for the host environment to run on x86 or
x64 hardware.
I.E. Hercules for S/370+, System I for AS/400 hardware.

I know only about Hercules as mainframe emulator.
Can you run , get a licence for z/OS,  under Hercules ?

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Miklos Szigetvari
miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote:

If someone can help to understand this :
replacing the HOST hardware with a Intel (or AMD) Server where Linux will
be the OS and the HOST feature is
emulated in order to avoid rewriting all the programs that are currently
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Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

2013-05-15 Thread Scott Chapman
In everything I've been lead to believe is true (in the US), an ELA doesn't 
relieve you from paying for the actual cost of MLC software capacity that 
you've consumed.  You may have budgeted an amount of $x/month for MLC in the 
ELA and that's the amount of the check you send IBM every month.  But they 
track the actual amount that you've used as reported via SCRT.  At the end of 
each year, the total SCRT-reported charges are compared to the amount you paid 
IBM.  If you paid IBM too much, good for them, too bad for you.  If you paid 
them too little, you owe them the difference.  Tails IBM wins, heads you lose.  

So if you're in an ELA, you should be tracking that difference so you know 
whether to be prepared for the bill, or possibly turn up your caps a little bit 
to get some more work done.  Planning for an ELA is an interesting combination 
of capacity planning, timing of software and hardware upgrades and unannounced 
price change guessing.  Predicting all those things more than 15 months out is 
mostly guesswork.  

If somebody knows of ELAs working differently, then I'd desperately like to 
hear about it.  

Scott Chapman

On Wed, 15 May 2013 05:19:45 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote:

Timothy,

That is not exactly true. Even with an ELA, you are required to still collect 
the SMF data and submit the SCRT reports as before. It is just that the 
monthly invoice should be substantially lower! 

When I had an ELA, I compared the monthly LCS invoice against the monthly ELA 
amount to demonstrate to executive management the exact value of the ELA on a 
monthly basis.

Bob

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
Behalf Of Timothy Sipples
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:07 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

There are also Enterprise License Agreements (ELAs) which probably at least 
reduce the intensity of worrying about this stuff month to month. Ask your 
IBM representative.


Timothy Sipples
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Re: Destination z -- Back to the Future -- Don't Reinvent Mainframe Wheels

2013-05-15 Thread John Gilmore
Earlier this week, on another list, I encountered someone who was
proposing to use STCK TOD values in a new system.

He should of course have chosen STCKE values instead.  At 23:58:43 on
17 September 2042 the IBM mainframe TOD clock, 64-bit STCK value will
overflow.  STCKE values do not have this defect; the portions of them
that are incremented are unsigned 14-byte, 8 x 14 = 112-bit values;
and 2^112 - 1 is an adequately large number.

The slogan Do not reinvent the wheel sounds virtuous, at worst
innocuous.  In fact its use is an all but infallible indicator of
sanctimony mixed with sloth.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: HOST feature or understand a sentence

2013-05-15 Thread John McKown
According to IBM, you cannot get a z/OS license for a Hercules based
machine. It has been asked for by many, for a hobbyist environment.

Another emulator is Boch. It is an x86 emulator. As I recall, one person
used this to run Windows, slowly, on an old pre-z machine. It would be
interesting, to me, to have somebody do this on a zEC12 running full speed.
I don't know if Windows can be licensed on this configuration, or not.
On May 15, 2013 5:31 AM, Miklos Szigetvari 
miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote:

 On 15.05.2013 12:19, Mike Schwab wrote:

 This is writing an emulator for the host environment to run on x86 or
 x64 hardware.
 I.E. Hercules for S/370+, System I for AS/400 hardware.

 I know only about Hercules as mainframe emulator.
 Can you run , get a licence for z/OS,  under Hercules ?

 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Miklos Szigetvari
 miklos.szigetvari@isis-**papyrus.commiklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com
 wrote:

 If someone can help to understand this :
 replacing the HOST hardware with a Intel (or AMD) Server where Linux
 will
 be the OS and the HOST feature is
 emulated in order to avoid rewriting all the programs that are currently
 executed on the HOST machine.

 --
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 Miklos Szigetvari



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DFSORT/ICETOOL: merge records from 2files

2013-05-15 Thread af dc
Hello,
I know this is a newbie question and I got User Guide for DFSORT PTFs
UK51706 and UK51707 near me, but I can't get this done:

 F1 file:
EDIT   PRS.CTT.FWK310
Command ===
** * Top of D
01 1B2906,Deferred,Queued,49:18:37,3.90
=COLS +1+2+3+---
02 1B4236,Deferred,Queued,48:54:04,2.63
03 1B4778,Deferred,Queued,48:49:18,3.90
04 1B4852,Deferred,Queued,48:46:45,3.90

 F2 file:
EDIT   PRS.CTT.FWK120  Columns 1 0
Command ===  Scroll ===
** * Top of Data *
01   1O1578 PAS.CMN.PADCMN02.CMNRPROM.D130423.T0545  23/04/2013
=COLS +1+2+3+4+5+6+--
02   1O4901 PAS.CMN.PADCMN02.CMNRPROM.D130424.T0543  24/04/2013

Both files are FB/80. I want to get all dsns from F2 file from F1 volser
list., so key is 1,6 in both files. Any hints are welcome.

Many thx, A.Cecilio

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Is DVGIFBI available to download from anywhere?

2013-05-15 Thread Richards, Robert B.
My boss is interested in getting DVGIFBI (Netview FTP) again. Somehow, we lost 
the original.

Does anyone know where it might be available for download?

Bob


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Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

2013-05-15 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Scott,

That is *not* how I remember it. Otherwise, what is the point of the ELA?

I could be wrong as I am six years removed from doing a lot of IBM software 
asset management for my previous employer.

Bob

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Scott Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:52 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

In everything I've been lead to believe is true (in the US), an ELA doesn't 
relieve you from paying for the actual cost of MLC software capacity that 
you've consumed.  You may have budgeted an amount of $x/month for MLC in the 
ELA and that's the amount of the check you send IBM every month.  But they 
track the actual amount that you've used as reported via SCRT.  At the end of 
each year, the total SCRT-reported charges are compared to the amount you paid 
IBM.  If you paid IBM too much, good for them, too bad for you.  If you paid 
them too little, you owe them the difference.  Tails IBM wins, heads you lose.  

So if you're in an ELA, you should be tracking that difference so you know 
whether to be prepared for the bill, or possibly turn up your caps a little bit 
to get some more work done.  Planning for an ELA is an interesting combination 
of capacity planning, timing of software and hardware upgrades and unannounced 
price change guessing.  Predicting all those things more than 15 months out is 
mostly guesswork.  

If somebody knows of ELAs working differently, then I'd desperately like to 
hear about it.  

Scott Chapman

On Wed, 15 May 2013 05:19:45 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote:

Timothy,

That is not exactly true. Even with an ELA, you are required to still collect 
the SMF data and submit the SCRT reports as before. It is just that the 
monthly invoice should be substantially lower! 

When I had an ELA, I compared the monthly LCS invoice against the monthly ELA 
amount to demonstrate to executive management the exact value of the ELA on a 
monthly basis.

Bob

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:07 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Predict WLC invoice amount ...

There are also Enterprise License Agreements (ELAs) which probably at least 
reduce the intensity of worrying about this stuff month to month. Ask your 
IBM representative.

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Re: Is DVGIFBI available to download from anywhere?

2013-05-15 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:26:13 -0400, Richards, Robert B. wrote:

My boss is interested in getting DVGIFBI (Netview FTP) again. Somehow, we lost 
the original.

Does anyone know where it might be available for download?


Orderable in Shopz for internet delivery:

5685-108 NetView FTP for MVS V2 2.02.01 English (US)

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ddsubtype=smappname=ShopzSerieshtmlfid=897/ENUS5685-108

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Re: ICSF master keys at DR site

2013-05-15 Thread Todd Arnold
 There is/was a way to set a CEX card to allow it to keep the MK loaded
 while being transferred between machines. 

Yes, but you also need a TKE to do this.  You can enable or disable the 
crypto card.  When the card is disabled, you cannot perform any 
application-oriented crypto functions with it - for example, encrypting data, 
managing keys, etc.  The only things you can do are the functions related to 
re-enabling the card, which is done via TKE.  While the card is in disabled 
state, you can remove it from your machine and it will not lose any of the 
stored data such as the master keys - but you also cannot USE those master keys 
for anything until the card is re-enabled, and that is not possible except 
through TKE by two authorized administrators.

Here is part of the description that is in the TKE user's manual:

--
A crypto module is either enabled or disabled. When a crypto module is
enabled, it is available for processing. You can change the status of the module
by pressing the Enable Crypto Module / Disable Crypto Module push button.
Enable Crypto Module is a dual-signature command and another authority may
need to co-sign. Disable Crypto Module is a single signature command.

Disabling a crypto module disables all the cryptographic functions for a single
crypto module, a group of crypto modules, or a domain group. This disables the
crypto module for the entire system, not just the LPAR that issued the disable.
--

Todd Arnold

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Re: Is DVGIFBI available to download from anywhere?

2013-05-15 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Thank you, Norbert.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Norbert Friemel
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 7:54 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is DVGIFBI available to download from anywhere?

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:26:13 -0400, Richards, Robert B. wrote:

My boss is interested in getting DVGIFBI (Netview FTP) again. Somehow, we lost 
the original.

Does anyone know where it might be available for download?


Orderable in Shopz for internet delivery:

5685-108 NetView FTP for MVS V2 2.02.01 English (US)

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ddsubtype=smappname=ShopzSerieshtmlfid=897/ENUS5685-108

Norbert Friemel

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Re: Is DVGIFBI available to download from anywhere?

2013-05-15 Thread Matthew Stitt
Netview FTP still can be ordered.  I have it on my system.  I show product 
5685-108 and a 1994 date in the comments from
the installation jobs.

It's a great product.  Allows parallel FTP between any system which can run it 
(including z/VSE).

Hope this helps.

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:26:13 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote:

My boss is interested in getting DVGIFBI (Netview FTP) again. Somehow, we lost 
the original.

Does anyone know where it might be available for download?

Bob


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Will running INSTALL help?

2013-05-15 Thread Ken Leidner
I am running Global mirror on an IBM  8300 DASD box.  I soon will be 
TDMFing the volumes to a new 8870 box and starting a new Global 
Mirror session from the new 8700 box.  I have some volumes that use 
to be active (had datasets on them), but since have been returned to 
a free status.


My question is would running ICKDSF with the INSTALL command on the 
free volumes save me transfer time?  Either with TDMF moving the 
volume or Global Mirror syncing the volume.  The thought is that 
maybe since INSTALL writes the home address on the volume all of the 
user data is removed and the volume would compress very well and 
therefore transfer very fast.   True?



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Re: Is DVGIFBI available to download from anywhere?

2013-05-15 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Thank you too, Matthew.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Matthew Stitt
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:14 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Is DVGIFBI available to download from anywhere?

Netview FTP still can be ordered.  I have it on my system.  I show product 
5685-108 and a 1994 date in the comments from the installation jobs.

It's a great product.  Allows parallel FTP between any system which can run it 
(including z/VSE).

Hope this helps.

On Wed, 15 May 2013 07:26:13 -0400, Richards, Robert B. 
robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote:

My boss is interested in getting DVGIFBI (Netview FTP) again. Somehow, we lost 
the original.

Does anyone know where it might be available for download?

Bob


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Re: Will running INSTALL help?

2013-05-15 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Wed, 15 May 2013 08:26:28 -0400, Ken Leidner wrote:

I am running Global mirror on an IBM  8300 DASD box.  I soon will be
TDMFing the volumes to a new 8870 box and starting a new Global
Mirror session from the new 8700 box.  I have some volumes that use
to be active (had datasets on them), but since have been returned to
a free status.

My question is would running ICKDSF with the INSTALL command on the
free volumes save me transfer time?  Either with TDMF moving the
volume or Global Mirror syncing the volume.  The thought is that
maybe since INSTALL writes the home address on the volume all of the
user data is removed and the volume would compress very well and
therefore transfer very fast.   True?


ICKDSF INSTALL is not supported on IBM 2105/2107/1750

http://publibfp.dhe.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/ick4020k/1.1.4?DT=20100525150821#TBLDSDSF2


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DB2 + REUSASID(YES)

2013-05-15 Thread Mark Zelden
Sorry for asking what should be an RTFM question, but can someone confirm 
that DB2 V10 can not take advantage of REUSASID(YES).  If it can, I sure
don't see it in any announcement letters nor the What's New manual.  
I searched ibm.com and SHARE proceedings also and came up empty.

I could swear I was sitting a SHARE session way back at z/OS 1.9 when
it was just version X and someone saying that the plan was to utilize large
pages and REUSASID.   

If not, does anyone know if DB2 V11 will?

Regards,

Mark
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Re: ADRDSSU performance degradation

2013-05-15 Thread Peter Vander Woude
1) Full volume backups every 4 hours
2) no control cards were changed
3) no, maintenance was not applied to running libraries (never do that)
4) yes an IPL was done WITH CLPA (it's always done at IPL).
5) Yes maintenance was installed that affects ADRDSSU

One other item, during analysis that has been found.  The jump in cpu usage did 
not occur right away, but occurred about 24 hours after the IPL.  It seems to 
coincide with a config change to a ISV product, that occurred around the 
timeframe of the cpu usage increase. We are working with that vendor to see if 
there's anything about that product that may be affecting the system.

Peter

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Re: HOST feature or understand a sentence

2013-05-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 15 May 2013 06:00:44 -0500, John McKown wrote:

According to IBM, you cannot get a z/OS license for a Hercules based
machine. It has been asked for by many, for a hobbyist environment.
 
Perhaps more like WINE than like Hercules.  You don't need z/OS
to run applications; only interface compatibility.

Another emulator is Boch. It is an x86 emulator. As I recall, one person
used this to run Windows, slowly, on an old pre-z machine. It would be
interesting, to me, to have somebody do this on a zEC12 running full speed.
I don't know if Windows can be licensed on this configuration, or not.
  
I believe there was a short thread on IBMVM LISTSERV about a week
ago, started by a vendor who's about to release such a product
commercially, offering a demo with a Linux x86 guest OS installed.

We'll see.   Business case?  If you have spare cycles on the z
(And who hasnt?  as Letterman says) you might as well use them.

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Looking for decision tree for hardware purchases

2013-05-15 Thread Lizette Koehler
I am wandering into an area I rarely play in.  I have been asked to provide
a process to help determine what our next hardware purchases should be for
tape and dasd

I am looking for input on what I need to look for when making a decision
between vendors for solutions in the area of tape and dasd for the
mainframe.

I understand capacity, current and growth, ease of migration from one to the
other, speed, replication, de-dup, and compaction.

But what other metrics should I look at or include in the analysis?  Are
there RMF reports I should be using or MXG?
Any place with a decent checklist or metrics available?



The mainframe is not as large as the open systems, so the desire is to look
for a one size fits all solution.  

So for tape - what should I be looking at?


For dasd what should I also be looking at?  


Between my data centers I need do to replication (they are about 1500 miles
apart) and back each other up for DASD and hopefully tape as well
 

Are there any other vendors other than
Fujitsu CS Eternus, IBM TS7700/8700, Luminex, EMC VMAX


So long as I have no need for tape to be shipped, I am thinking tapeless is
an acceptable solution.


Any other guidance is appreciated.

Lizette

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Re: Destination z -- Back to the Future -- Don't Reinvent Mainframe Wheels

2013-05-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 15 May 2013 06:54:01 -0400, John Gilmore wrote:

Earlier this week, on another list, I encountered someone who was
proposing to use STCK TOD values in a new system.
 
Circa 1987, in a design meeting I advocated reserving a 4-digit
field for a date.  I was sneered at because the TIME macro wouldn't
support it.

He should of course have chosen STCKE values instead.  At 23:58:43 on
17 September 2042 the IBM mainframe TOD clock, 64-bit STCK value will

+/- leap seconds.  IAT?  UTC?  UT1? ...

overflow.  STCKE values do not have this defect; the portions of them
that are incremented are unsigned 14-byte, 8 x 14 = 112-bit values;
and 2^112 - 1 is an adequately large number.
 
They should have made it signed.  Year 1899 seems to me to have more
practical use than 19,000.

The slogan Do not reinvent the wheel sounds virtuous, at worst
innocuous.  In fact its use is an all but infallible indicator of
sanctimony mixed with sloth.

I once heard, Don't reinvent the flat tire.  (The topic was the
VM/CMS Shared File System.)

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FW: Help with IBM Session Mgr Script

2013-05-15 Thread Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN
Group,

   Got no takers on this one.  I asked IBM for help and they were very kind 
once again:

*** Extract of IBM PMR ***

The Waitappl for non-SNA sessions is looking for a 3270 WCC with the
keyboard restore bit set from TSO.  A non-SNA LU0 needs TSO to send the
WCC to unlock the keyboard.  With SNA LU2, the RU with EB (End-Bracket)
or CD (Change Direction) will cause the keyboard to unlock and does not
need the 3270 WCC keyboard restore flow.

As for the reasons for WAITAPPL for both SNA and non-SNA, it is best to
look at the actual 3270 flow for both types of sessions and then ensure
the script handles the output flows.  A simple method of doing this is
to issue the ISM STARTSC OFF for your TSO session number to disable the
startscript processing.  Then issue the ISM command RECORD ON from the menu
and then proceed to logon to TSO.  When you get to where you no longer
want ISM startscript to automate the logon, escape to the ISM menu and
issue the RECORD OFF command.  Now issue the ISM REPLAY command.  In my
example below, I logged on using a non-SNA LU.
--
REPLAYX
TN32 091C2F21

ID   RECORD Title
---  
001 S EWRT
002 O EWRT  'Session st'
003 O EWRT  'Session Es'
004 O EWRT
005 O EWRT  'WINMVS23'
006 I ENTER 'logon appl'
007 O EWRTA '*-'
008 O WRT
009 I ENTER
010 O EWRT  '--'
011 I ENTER 'passwrd'
012 O EWRT
013 O EWRT
014 O WRT   'ICH70001I'
015 O WRT   'IKJEFLD3'
016 O WRT   '***'
017 I ENTER
018 O EWRTA 'something else'
019 O WRT   'tsolib act'
020 O WRT   'READY '
021 O WRT
022 I ENTER '@@'
023 O WRT   'COMMAND @@'
024 O WRT   'READY '
025 O WRT
026 I ENTER 'pdf'
027 O WSF
028 O EWRTA '. Menu Uti'
029 E EWRTA '. Menu Uti'

Use the PF11 key on the REPLY panel to view the details of the records.  Those 
with an
'O' type are output records that the WAITAPPL would look for.  My record id
008 resets the keyboard from the TSO logon flow.

-
DEC  HEX  Record   008 O WRT Length  2 X'0002'
  0   X'F1C2'  CMD - WRT   WCC (RESTKB)
-

There is no cheat sheet but this is a good method to understand what
your TSO LOGON script needs to wait for in the output flows.

*** End of extract of IBM PMR   ***


It's been a long time since I've been involved analyzing these flows.  I wrote 
this one down.


   Thank you,  Dave


From: Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 1:43 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Help with IBM Session Mgr Script

Fellow Scripters,

   We are running z/OS V1R13 and IBM Session Manager (ISM) 3.100B.  Currently 
there is an OPEN APAR PM86725 regarding using the wrong logmode for mod 5 
terminals.  The users are complaining it takes too long to logon so I have been 
looking at our TSO LOGON script and I have a few questions.  I do not see 
anything in our scripts checking if t_model is set to 5.  But I am seeing a 
difference between SNA and NON-SNA.  Years ago there was real 3270 CUT, DFT 
etc.  I guess I look at the session manager like my old NCR/COMTEN NCP.  The 
remote network was SNA and the host was not.  SRM resided in an NCR Comten 
Communications Processor (CP) where it performs switching functions that allow 
BSC and SNA 3270 devices to communicate selectively with any of up to 31 
different host access methods.  Currently terminals bind to the session manager 
from TN3270 which can be SNA or not.  Once at the session manager main screen 
you can select your logmode to the application which can be SNA or not.  I 
mainly use D4A32793 which is SNA.  I can also use D4B32793 which is not SNA.  
The application works fine with the terminal and I don't see a difference 
between the logmodes when binding to the application.  Here is what we have in 
our TSO LOGON script:

   First part of current script - Enter our userid:
  Domax 10 appltime 10
  Do until found
 Waitappl
 If noresp
Let t_message = 'Timed out - User prompt'
Endsess
Return
  End
  Outscan 'ENTER'
  End

   The next section is supposedly required for NON-SNA for a write to restore 
the keyboard:
 If s_sna = 'N'
Waitappl
 End
  Input sba 2 1 text t_user
 Key enter

I don't see any examples in the book regarding S for ACTIVE SNA sessions or 
N for ACTIVE NON-SNA sessions.  A WAITAPPL is getting output from the APPL.

Q).  Do I need this Waitappl for NON-SNA sessions?



The First part (above) entered the TSO userid.  The second part (not shown) is 
just like the First part except it enters the password and does an outscan for 
'TSO/E LOGON'.  The next section has code for both SNA and NON-SNA.  I assume 
the pause is for the operator to see the screen.  The users are 

ShopZ

2013-05-15 Thread Alan Field
Any one else having problems with 
https://eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws/.

For three days I've been trying to download holddata and both Boulder and 
Rochester fail after waiting for 120 minutes.

Alan Field
Technical Engineer Principal
BCBS Minnesota

Phone: 651.662.3546  Mobile:  651.428.8826


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Re: Looking for decision tree for hardware purchases

2013-05-15 Thread Staller, Allan
snip
Are there any other vendors other than
Fujitsu CS Eternus, IBM TS7700/8700, Luminex, EMC VMAX
/snip

Hitachi Data Systems (HDS)

FWIW, we are sharing a HDS VSP between MF and Open SYSTEMS successfully


HTH,

Al Staller | Z Systems Programmer | KBM Group | (Tel) 972 664-3565 | 
allan.stal...@kbmg.com

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Re: HOST feature or understand a sentence

2013-05-15 Thread John McKown
Ah, yes. Mantissa. That's been in the works for quite a while now. Hope it
lives up to expectations. I wonder if it implements a just in time
compiler simiilar to IBM's JAVA implementation. What might be even better
would be something like how the i (AS/400 offspring) does it. Compiling
Java to byte code ends up with a byte code file with an associated shadow
file which is actually native Power code. A bytecode compile-to-native
would be an interesting piece of software. As would something which could
compile x86 instructions into z/Arch instructions. And I am aware of the
problem of is this code or data? .So something like the just in time
compiler, but which could save the compiled object across runs would be
_very_ interesting, but likely not really very useful, due to recompilation
and so on.

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote:

 On Wed, 15 May 2013 06:00:44 -0500, John McKown wrote:

 According to IBM, you cannot get a z/OS license for a Hercules based
 machine. It has been asked for by many, for a hobbyist environment.
 
 Perhaps more like WINE than like Hercules.  You don't need z/OS
 to run applications; only interface compatibility.

 Another emulator is Boch. It is an x86 emulator. As I recall, one person
 used this to run Windows, slowly, on an old pre-z machine. It would be
 interesting, to me, to have somebody do this on a zEC12 running full
 speed.
 I don't know if Windows can be licensed on this configuration, or not.
 
 I believe there was a short thread on IBMVM LISTSERV about a week
 ago, started by a vendor who's about to release such a product
 commercially, offering a demo with a Linux x86 guest OS installed.

 We'll see.   Business case?  If you have spare cycles on the z
 (And who hasnt?  as Letterman says) you might as well use them.

 -- gil

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This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an
actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you?

Maranatha! 
John McKown

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Re: ShopZ

2013-05-15 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Hi Alan. Yes, I've been having problems for about a week, and have a pmr open. 
Although it's slow at the moment, some times it does finish. Yesterday it timed 
out after 480 minutes. Today it finished in 255 minutes. 
IBM says there is/was a huge backlog, possibly due to a new RSU coming out. But 
that happens periodically, and we haven't experienced this before. :( 
You can do a receive pending for the order that failed. Yesterday I ran this 
about 2 hours after the job failed, and it only waited 45 minutes. 

RECEIVE ORDER(
 PENDING(ORD00nnn)
 CLIENT(MYCLIENT) 
  )   
 DELETEPKG . 

Mary Anne  

On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:44:52 -0500, Alan Field alan_c_fi...@bluecrossmn.com 
wrote:

Any one else having problems with
https://eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws/.

For three days I've been trying to download holddata and both Boulder and
Rochester fail after waiting for 120 minutes.

Alan Field
Technical Engineer Principal
BCBS Minnesota

Phone: 651.662.3546  Mobile:  651.428.8826


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Re: ShopZ

2013-05-15 Thread Skip Robinson
This problem seems to come and go. I advise my colleagues to 'wait 
forever'. I see no value in timing out nor cost for waiting. The task 
seems to wake up periodically to check on progress, so S522 is not likely. 


RECEIVE 
ORDER( 
 ...
  WAIT(NOLIMIT) /* As long as it takes */
 ...
  )

.
.
JO.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
626-302-7535 Office
323-715-0595 Mobile
jo.skip.robin...@sce.com



From:   Mary Anne Matyaz maryanne4...@gmail.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, 
Date:   05/15/2013 07:52 AM
Subject:Re: ShopZ
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU



Hi Alan. Yes, I've been having problems for about a week, and have a pmr 
open. Although it's slow at the moment, some times it does finish. 
Yesterday it timed out after 480 minutes. Today it finished in 255 
minutes. 
IBM says there is/was a huge backlog, possibly due to a new RSU coming 
out. But that happens periodically, and we haven't experienced this 
before. :( 
You can do a receive pending for the order that failed. Yesterday I ran 
this about 2 hours after the job failed, and it only waited 45 minutes. 

RECEIVE ORDER( 
 PENDING(ORD00nnn) 
 CLIENT(MYCLIENT) 
  ) 
 DELETEPKG . 

Mary Anne 

On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:44:52 -0500, Alan Field 
alan_c_fi...@bluecrossmn.com wrote:

Any one else having problems with
https://eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com/services/projects/ecc/ws/.

For three days I've been trying to download holddata and both Boulder and
Rochester fail after waiting for 120 minutes.

Alan Field
Technical Engineer Principal
BCBS Minnesota

Phone: 651.662.3546  Mobile:  651.428.8826


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Re: DB2 + REUSASID(YES)

2013-05-15 Thread Ed Jaffe

On 5/15/2013 6:41 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:

Sorry for asking what should be an RTFM question, but can someone confirm
that DB2 V10 can not take advantage of REUSASID(YES).  If it can, I sure
don't see it in any announcement letters nor the What's New manual.
I searched ibm.com and SHARE proceedings also and came up empty.


This line item seems to have disappeared into the ether. I did see 
APARs against OMEGAMON DB2 to provide support for address spaces started 
with REUSASID=YES and noticed that REUSASID(YES) became the DIAGxx 
default in z/OS 1.12. DB2 seems to be completely silent on the matter 
with not one single reference I could find other than folks in various 
forums asking questions similar to yours.


FWIW, REUSASID support is not required in any way for large page support 
so one could appear at any time without the other.


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Re: Destination z -- Back to the Future -- Don't Reinvent Mainframe Wheels

2013-05-15 Thread John Gilmore
TOD values are, conceptually, most like IAT ones.
Specialization/adulteration is DIY.

TOD clocks, incremented counters in general, are by definition
unsigned.  Moreover, with the exception of some few astronomical ones,
we do not know the times of past events, even quite recent ones with
precision.  Krakatoa, for example, 'began to erupt' on 1883 May 20th,
but more precision turns out to be elusive.  We are told that Anne
Boleyn was executed at 0800 on the morning of 1536 May 19 (O.S.), but
I have no confidence in this round exactitude.

For past events [often negative] proleptic dates usually suffice and
must usually suffice.  It is, for example, enough to know that the
epoch origin of  the Kali Yuga calendar has the GD, Gregorian Day
[number],  -1,132,958.  Signed fullword GDs can represent dates ±5.8
million years about the Gregorian calendar's epoch origin.  That is
usually enough; and if, exceptionally it is not, there are signed
doublewords available.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: DFSORT/ICETOOL: merge records from 2files

2013-05-15 Thread Sri h Kolusu
It is quite easy to get the desired results using Joinkeys.  The sample 
data you have shown does not have any matching records.  It would have 
been nice if you showed the required output also

//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=SORT 
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=* 
//INA  DD * 
+1+2+3+4+5+6+7--   
 
1O1578 PAS.CMN.PADCMN02.CMNRPROM.D130423.T0545  23/04/2013 
1O4901 PAS.CMN.PADCMN02.CMNRPROM.D130424.T0543  24/04/2013 
1B4778 GET.THIS.DATASET.NAME.ASIT.MATCHED   24/04/2013 
//INB  DD * 
+1+2+3+4+5+6+7--
1B2906,DEFERRED,QUEUED,49:18:37,3.90 
1B4236,DEFERRED,QUEUED,48:54:04,2.63 
1B4778,DEFERRED,QUEUED,48:49:18,3.90 
1B4852,DEFERRED,QUEUED,48:46:45,3.90 
//SORTOUT  DD SYSOUT=* 
//SYSINDD * 
  OPTION COPY 
  JOINKEYS F1=INA,FIELDS=(1,6,A) 
  JOINKEYS F2=INB,FIELDS=(1,6,A) 
  REFORMAT FIELDS=(F1:1,52) 
//* 

The output from this job is 

1B4778 GET.THIS.DATASET.NAME.ASIT.MATCHED

If you just need the dataset name then change the REFORMAT statement to 
the following

 REFORMAT FIELDS=(F1:8,44) 

which will produce this output

GET.THIS.DATASET.NAME.ASIT.MATCHED

Hope this helps...

Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu wrote on 
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 From: af dc acbi...@gmail.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, 
 Date: 05/15/2013 04:06 AM
 Subject: DFSORT/ICETOOL: merge records from 2files
 Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
 
 Hello,
 I know this is a newbie question and I got User Guide for DFSORT PTFs
 UK51706 and UK51707 near me, but I can't get this done:
 
  F1 file:
 EDIT   PRS.CTT.FWK310
 Command ===
 ** * Top of D
 01 1B2906,Deferred,Queued,49:18:37,3.90
 =COLS +1+2+3+---
 02 1B4236,Deferred,Queued,48:54:04,2.63
 03 1B4778,Deferred,Queued,48:49:18,3.90
 04 1B4852,Deferred,Queued,48:46:45,3.90
 
  F2 file:
 EDIT   PRS.CTT.FWK120  Columns 1 0
 Command ===  Scroll 
===
 ** * Top of Data 
*
 01   1O1578 PAS.CMN.PADCMN02.CMNRPROM.D130423.T0545  23/04/2013
 =COLS 
+1+2+3+4+5+6+--
 02   1O4901 PAS.CMN.PADCMN02.CMNRPROM.D130424.T0543  24/04/2013
 
 Both files are FB/80. I want to get all dsns from F2 file from F1 volser
 list., so key is 1,6 in both files. Any hints are welcome.
 
 Many thx, A.Cecilio
 
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Re: DB2 + REUSASID(YES)

2013-05-15 Thread Rob Scott
I can confirm that an address space started REUSASID encounters all sorts of 
0D3 style abends when connected to either DB2 or MQ series using CAF in order 
to use its services.
I had to add specific code to MXI so that it starts its auxiliary server DB2 
and MQ address spaces *without* REUSASID.

When I last discussed with IBM support, there was no announced version/release 
of either DB2 or MQ that supported REUSASID. 

Rob Scott
Lead Developer
Rocket Software
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Ed Jaffe
Sent: 15 May 2013 16:06
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: DB2 + REUSASID(YES)

On 5/15/2013 6:41 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:
 Sorry for asking what should be an RTFM question, but can someone 
 confirm that DB2 V10 can not take advantage of REUSASID(YES).  If it 
 can, I sure don't see it in any announcement letters nor the What's New 
 manual.
 I searched ibm.com and SHARE proceedings also and came up empty.

This line item seems to have disappeared into the ether. I did see APARs 
against OMEGAMON DB2 to provide support for address spaces started with 
REUSASID=YES and noticed that REUSASID(YES) became the DIAGxx default in z/OS 
1.12. DB2 seems to be completely silent on the matter with not one single 
reference I could find other than folks in various forums asking questions 
similar to yours.

FWIW, REUSASID support is not required in any way for large page support so one 
could appear at any time without the other.

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Re: DB2 + REUSASID(YES)

2013-05-15 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Mark,
DB2 V10 doesn't take advantage of REUSEASID(YES).  I haven't seen anything
announced in this area for DB2 V11 either.
==
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wdrisco(at)us(dot)ibm(dot)com
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 From: Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu,
 Date: 05/15/2013 08:55 AM
 Subject: [IBM-MAIN] DB2 + REUSASID(YES)
 Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu

 Sorry for asking what should be an RTFM question, but can someone confirm

 that DB2 V10 can not take advantage of REUSASID(YES).  If it can, I sure
 don't see it in any announcement letters nor the What's New manual.
 I searched ibm.com and SHARE proceedings also and came up empty.

 I could swear I was sitting a SHARE session way back at z/OS 1.9 when
 it was just version X and someone saying that the plan was to utilize
large
 pages and REUSASID.

 If not, does anyone know if DB2 V11 will?

 Regards,

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Re: ICSF master keys at DR site

2013-05-15 Thread Frank Swarbrick
MK Ceremony.  I like that.  :-)
Definitely what we'll have to do, as I'm pretty sure we're not going to remove 
one of our cryptocards and transport it to DR just for this.  Interesting idea, 
though!  Is there a way to copy the master keys from one co-processor to 
another?






 From: Rob Schramm rob.schr...@gmail.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: ICSF master keys at DR site
 

Actually... There is a method.  But it would be a bit silly... And might
fail for logistic reasons.

There is/was a way to set a CEX card to allow it to keep the MK loaded
while being transferred between machines.  I just remember reading about
it... Not all the details about how long the card could be removed before
re-installing it.

You can always do it the old fashion way. And have the MK parts stored at
the DR site and do a MK ceremony there not near as slick as having a
TKE.

Of course if you have a TKE at the primary site and store the MK on smart
cards .. you'll have to be a bit more creative.  But all the methods I can
think of leave you in a somewhat less secure state... Possibly managable...
But it would depend on the laws/regulation that you are under.

Rob Schramm
On May 14, 2013 1:11 PM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@yahoo.com
wrote:

 Thank you (and Radoslaw) for your answers.




 
  From: Todd Arnold arno...@us.ibm.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:35 AM
 Subject: Re: ICSF master keys at DR site
 
 
 Without a TKE, I don't think there is any other method.
 
 If you do have a TKE, there is a very nice and very secure method of
 completely cloning everything from one crypto card to another one.  This
 was added a couple of releases ago.  Here is the beginning of the
 description from the current TKE user's guide (which I just retrieved from
 Resource Link):
 
 ---
 Configuration migration
 
 The TKE workstation provides tools to securely capture host crypto module
 configuration data to a file, and then reapply this data to another host
 crypto
 module or crypto module group. The data that can be securely captured
 includes
 roles, authorities, domain control settings, and master keys. These tools
 simplify
 the task of installing new or replacement host crypto modules, and can be
 used for
 backup and disaster recovery as well.
 
 Two tools are provided: one that migrates only public configuration data
 (roles,
 authorities, domain control settings) and one that migrates all
 configuration data,
 including secret data, such as master key values. The protocol for
 migrating secret
 data is more complex than the protocol for migrating only public data, and
 requires the participation of several smart card holders.
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 Todd Arnold
 
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Re: DB2 + REUSASID(YES)

2013-05-15 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 15 May 2013 08:06:05 -0700, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com 
wrote:

On 5/15/2013 6:41 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:
 Sorry for asking what should be an RTFM question, but can someone confirm
 that DB2 V10 can not take advantage of REUSASID(YES).  If it can, I sure
 don't see it in any announcement letters nor the What's New manual.
 I searched ibm.com and SHARE proceedings also and came up empty.

This line item seems to have disappeared into the ether. I did see
APARs against OMEGAMON DB2 to provide support for address spaces started
with REUSASID=YES and noticed that REUSASID(YES) became the DIAGxx
default in z/OS 1.12. DB2 seems to be completely silent on the matter
with not one single reference I could find other than folks in various
forums asking questions similar to yours.

Which explains why I wasted over an hour searching for something that
doesn't exist. 


FWIW, REUSASID support is not required in any way for large page support
so one could appear at any time without the other.


Yes.  And large page support was documented in the V10 announcement. 

http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ANsubtype=CAappname=gpateamsupplier=897letternum=ENUS210-380pdf=yes

Customers with large buffer pools that are page fixed (standard) and z10 or
zEnterprise machines will use large pages and require the following z/OS APARs:
– z/OS V1.10: APARs OA24441, OA25169, OA25485, OA27799, OA31116,
OA32001, and OA32668
– z/OS V1.11 and V1.12: APARs OA32001, OA31116, and OA32668


And what I may be remembering at SHARE was a verbal reference to 
DB2 X in Elpida's Large Page session for z/OS 1.9 in San Jose.  Maybe
I just always assumed DB2 V10 would have the REUSASID support.  

Regards,

Mark
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Re: DB2 + REUSASID(YES)

2013-05-15 Thread Ed Jaffe

On 5/15/2013 9:00 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:
And what I may be remembering at SHARE was a verbal reference to DB2 X 
in Elpida's Large Page session for z/OS 1.9 in San Jose. Maybe I just 
always assumed DB2 V10 would have the REUSASID support.


Your memory is better than you think, Mark! (Either that, or mine is 
just as bad. :-[ )


I distinctly remember when the ASN reuse feature was being described, 
both early at IBM TDMs and later publicly at SHARE and elsewhere, that 
DB2 was mentioned as a primary candidate for exploitation of this feature.


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Re: Looking for decision tree for hardware purchases

2013-05-15 Thread Dave Salt
 Any other guidance is appreciated.In addition to buying new hardware, another 
 option to consider is using tools that help reduce storage needs. For 
 example, please see the section called Reduced Hardware Costs which is 
 roughly one and a half pages up from the bottom of the following document:

http://www.soft-center.com/SimpListFeatures.html 

Regards, 

Dave Salt

SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! 

http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html  


 Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 14:48:02 +
 From: allan.stal...@kbmg.com
 Subject: Re: Looking for decision tree for hardware purchases
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 
 snip
 Are there any other vendors other than
 Fujitsu CS Eternus, IBM TS7700/8700, Luminex, EMC VMAX
 /snip
 
 Hitachi Data Systems (HDS)
 
 FWIW, we are sharing a HDS VSP between MF and Open SYSTEMS successfully
 
 
 HTH,
 
 Al Staller | Z Systems Programmer | KBM Group | (Tel) 972 664-3565 | 
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Re: Destination z -- Back to the Future -- Don't Reinvent Mainframe Wheels

2013-05-15 Thread John McKown
Rather than being signed, IBM _could_ move the epoch back. I don't see any
need. In fact, personally, I would not use STCKE values. I'd use something
like true Julian dates/times (like the astronomers use), or perhaps Lilian
dates (date only, no time) since there some nice LE subroutines to format
them for display. CEEGMT will get the TOD clock value, returning it in
Lilian format date integer  a 64-bit double floating point number of
second from 00:00:00 14 October 1582 (not counting any leap seconds).
CEEGMTO gets the __current__ offset from GMT to local. Which means it is
not useful for historical dates, in general.  CEEDATM will convert the 2nd
output (64 bit float number) from CEEGMT to a printable format (user
defined). CEEDATE will convert the Lilian date seconds (1st output) to a
display value.

So CEEGMT seems, to me, to be a viable way to go. And I am aware that many
view LE as devil's brew. But I, personally, have at least gotten used to
it. If somebody wanted to convert an STCKE saved value to printable, I
would guess a reasonable way would be to use the CONVTOD macro to convert
to printable. I might even then go to CEEGMT format via CEESECS to convert
this to Lilian seconds (64 bit float) and store that. Or pop it into a DB2
date/time field. If I had DB2, that is grin/.


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:06 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:

 TOD values are, conceptually, most like IAT ones.
 Specialization/adulteration is DIY.

 TOD clocks, incremented counters in general, are by definition
 unsigned.  Moreover, with the exception of some few astronomical ones,
 we do not know the times of past events, even quite recent ones with
 precision.  Krakatoa, for example, 'began to erupt' on 1883 May 20th,
 but more precision turns out to be elusive.  We are told that Anne
 Boleyn was executed at 0800 on the morning of 1536 May 19 (O.S.), but
 I have no confidence in this round exactitude.

 For past events [often negative] proleptic dates usually suffice and
 must usually suffice.  It is, for example, enough to know that the
 epoch origin of  the Kali Yuga calendar has the GD, Gregorian Day
 [number],  -1,132,958.  Signed fullword GDs can represent dates ±5.8
 million years about the Gregorian calendar's epoch origin.  That is
 usually enough; and if, exceptionally it is not, there are signed
 doublewords available.

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Re: Looking for decision tree for hardware purchases

2013-05-15 Thread Gord Tomlin

I would want to include some RAS considerations such as:
- mean time to failure;
- mean time to repair;
- availability of local service personnel.

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On 2013-05-15 10:09, Lizette Koehler wrote:

I am wandering into an area I rarely play in.  I have been asked to provide
a process to help determine what our next hardware purchases should be for
tape and dasd

I am looking for input on what I need to look for when making a decision
between vendors for solutions in the area of tape and dasd for the
mainframe.

I understand capacity, current and growth, ease of migration from one to the
other, speed, replication, de-dup, and compaction.

But what other metrics should I look at or include in the analysis?  Are
there RMF reports I should be using or MXG?
Any place with a decent checklist or metrics available?



The mainframe is not as large as the open systems, so the desire is to look
for a one size fits all solution.

So for tape - what should I be looking at?


For dasd what should I also be looking at?


Between my data centers I need do to replication (they are about 1500 miles
apart) and back each other up for DASD and hopefully tape as well


Are there any other vendors other than
Fujitsu CS Eternus, IBM TS7700/8700, Luminex, EMC VMAX


So long as I have no need for tape to be shipped, I am thinking tapeless is
an acceptable solution.


Any other guidance is appreciated.

Lizette

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Re: Destination z -- Back to the Future -- Don't Reinvent Mainframe Wheels

2013-05-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 15 May 2013 11:27:47 -0500, John McKown wrote:

Rather than being signed, IBM _could_ move the epoch back.

Remember when some shops would post here every time the 
clocks changed back in the fall?  They were running with 
local=GMT and would have to keep their IMS systems down 
for an hour so that they wouldn't have duplicate time stamps. 
If IBM were to change the epoch, customers would have to 
keep them down for a lot longer

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Re: DB2 + REUSASID(YES)

2013-05-15 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 15 May 2013 08:41:26 -0500 Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote:

:Sorry for asking what should be an RTFM question, but can someone confirm 
:that DB2 V10 can not take advantage of REUSASID(YES).  If it can, I sure
:don't see it in any announcement letters nor the What's New manual.  
:I searched ibm.com and SHARE proceedings also and came up empty.

A DB2 client cannot use a reusable ASID as DB2 does not use the (I) forms.
Perhaps DB2 itself can run with it - don't know.

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High Availability Option for RHEL on System z available

2013-05-15 Thread David Boyes
For those of you using RHEL on System z and needing a HA option (Red Hat does 
not provide a HA solution for System z), SNA has created a High Availability 
Option for RHEL on System z. The tool provides load balancing, cluster creation 
and management, and the GFS2 cluster file system and enterprise grade support.  
More details are available at 
http://www.sinenomine.net/products/linux/systemz/hao4relz. 

The product is installed in more than 15 Fortune 50 companies with good 
success. Please contact me off list if you're interested in more information. 

David Boyes
Sine Nomine Associates

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load module

2013-05-15 Thread Chris Hoelscher
Good day
We are running an IBM monitor to intercept every OPEN and READ looking for EAV 
(extended accessability? Volumes) compliancy  - we have found a load module 
DBIDDBA to be non-compliant 
but our DBA group has no idea to what purchased application this load module 
belongs - is anyone on this list familiar with this load module as to its 
owning product?

Thanks in advance

Chris hoelscher
Technology Architect | Database Infrastructure Services
Technology Solution Services

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Re: Destination z -- Back to the Future -- Don't Reinvent Mainframe Wheels

2013-05-15 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 15 May 2013 13:08:32 -0500, John McKown wrote:

Actually, if the
epoch were moved BACK in time, then the TOD value would need to be
increased ...

Duh  My mistake.  Thanks for the correction.

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Re: load module

2013-05-15 Thread Lizette Koehler
Are there any eye catchers in the module to suggest a vendor or product?

Lizette

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Subject: load module

Good day
We are running an IBM monitor to intercept every OPEN and READ looking for EAV 
(extended accessability? Volumes) compliancy  - we have found a load module 
DBIDDBA to be non-compliant 
but our DBA group has no idea to what purchased application this load module 
belongs - is anyone on this list familiar with this load module as to its 
owning product?

Thanks in advance

Chris hoelscher
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Technology Solution Services

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Re: load module

2013-05-15 Thread Ed Finnell
Where does it live? pfx.PRODUCT.VRM.loadlib If it's in LINKLST then  isrddn
should find it. Otherwise have to look at the DB/2 STC jcl for  loadlibs.
 
In a message dated 5/15/2013 3:06:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
stars...@mindspring.com writes:
 
Are  there any eye catchers in the module to suggest a vendor or  product

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Re: load module

2013-05-15 Thread Chris Hoelscher
Thanks to all - by spying on the user's TSO session to see what tools he/she 
was accessing during the session, I found the tool to be File Aid for DB2

Again thanks to everyone for their comments and helpful suggestions

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Re: HOST feature or understand a sentence

2013-05-15 Thread Phil Smith
John McKown wrote:
According to IBM, you cannot get a z/OS license for a Hercules based
machine. It has been asked for by many, for a hobbyist environment.

Right. And Platform Solutions not only proved that IBM wasn't interested, but 
that IBM would aggressively fight attempts to exploit loopholes.

Another emulator is Boch. It is an x86 emulator. As I recall, one person
used this to run Windows, slowly, on an old pre-z machine. It would be
interesting, to me, to have somebody do this on a zEC12 running full speed.
I don't know if Windows can be licensed on this configuration, or not.

That's Bochs. Adam Thornton, then of Sine Nomine Associates, did this on an 
MP3000 in about 2001: Exchange under Windows under Bochs under Linux for System 
z under z/VM. Slow doesn't begin to describe it, but Exchange did 
(eventually!) come up.

I believe - but IANAL - that you can run Windows legally in a virtual machine 
as long as it's a unique use of that license copy etc. So sure, why not? (Is 
it on an Intel or AMD CPU? Um, IBM zEC12, actually... - now THAT would be a 
fun conversation!)

...phsiii

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Re: Destination z -- Back to the Future -- Don't Reinvent Mainframe Wheels

2013-05-15 Thread Tony Harminc
On 15 May 2013 14:08, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah, well I didn't say it was a _good_ idea grin/. Actually, if the
 epoch were moved BACK in time, then the TOD value would need to be
 increased to keep the date the same.

Which is just what happened with MVT and MVS; the epoch was changed
from 1960 to 1900. Though there was, of course, nothing much to force
anyone to use either the old or the new IBM standard.

Tony H.

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Re: ADRDSSU performance degradation

2013-05-15 Thread Peter Vander Woude
Here's some more info.  I've got a volume, that is online to our production 
lpar and one of our test lpars.  If I run a full volume dump on my test lpar, 
it uses 6.88 seconds of cpu time.  If I run the job on my production lpar, it 
uses 20.86 cpu seconds.

Using Mainview and doing a trace of where it's spending it's time, the test 
lpar trace shows that it is approx 62% of the samples were in IECVPST, followed 
by 11.7% in IAXPQ, then 10.4% in ADRDTDS, etc.

On my production lpar, the order is completely different, with 39% being in 
IAXPN, then 34% in IAXPQ then 11% in ADRDTDS and only 8% in IECVPST.

Why is it spending so much time in the IAXPN/IAXPQ modules?

Peter

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z/OS VSAM FTP Advice?

2013-05-15 Thread Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN
Dear Group,

   I have been looking at ways to FTP VSAM files between two z/OS systems.

  I learned that VSE totally supports FTPing of VSAM files, even when VSE is 
the server.  But I don't have a VSE system to bounce my z/OS VSAM files off of.

  I found something called DDMFTP from the Microsoft Developers Network that 
works with the Host Integration Server 2004 using the stream input/output 
protocol of the IBM Distributed Data Management (DDM) architecture.  It 
interoperates with a specific target DDM server implementation called IBM 
Distributed FileManager.  The DDM server is available as a component of the IBM 
Data Facility Storage Management Subsystem (DFSMS).  Does other software work 
with IBM's Distributed FileManager?

   I think I figured out VSAM is not supported under z/OS FTPD.  To move a VSAM 
file it looks like I need to convert it to a flat file.  Once you move the flat 
file you have all the VSAM work to get it back into a cluster.


Q).  Are there any other options (or software) I may be missing to move VSAM 
clusters between data centers?


  Thank you,  Dave

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Re: ADRDSSU performance degradation

2013-05-15 Thread Peter Vander Woude
Ok, Finally figured out the problem.  I had inadvertently left component trace 
for SYSRSM on, after working on debugging a SA78-18 abend.  

Turned it off, and we're back to normal!  
Yeah!!!

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Re: HOST feature or understand a sentence

2013-05-15 Thread Scott Ford
You run just about any system in vbox or VMware we do, including various 
variants of Linux ..
I understand IBM fighting hercules but ...wouldn't it also bring in more 
business like zpdt does ?


Scott ford
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from my IPAD

'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'


On May 15, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote:

 John McKown wrote:
 According to IBM, you cannot get a z/OS license for a Hercules based
 machine. It has been asked for by many, for a hobbyist environment.
 
 Right. And Platform Solutions not only proved that IBM wasn't interested, but 
 that IBM would aggressively fight attempts to exploit loopholes.
 
 Another emulator is Boch. It is an x86 emulator. As I recall, one person
 used this to run Windows, slowly, on an old pre-z machine. It would be
 interesting, to me, to have somebody do this on a zEC12 running full speed.
 I don't know if Windows can be licensed on this configuration, or not.
 
 That's Bochs. Adam Thornton, then of Sine Nomine Associates, did this on an 
 MP3000 in about 2001: Exchange under Windows under Bochs under Linux for 
 System z under z/VM. Slow doesn't begin to describe it, but Exchange did 
 (eventually!) come up.
 
 I believe - but IANAL - that you can run Windows legally in a virtual machine 
 as long as it's a unique use of that license copy etc. So sure, why not? (Is 
 it on an Intel or AMD CPU? Um, IBM zEC12, actually... - now THAT would be 
 a fun conversation!)
 
 ...phsiii
 
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Re: load module

2013-05-15 Thread Ed Jaffe

On 5/15/2013 1:42 PM, Chris Hoelscher wrote:

Thanks to all - by spying on the user's TSO session to see what tools he/she was 
accessing during the session, I found the tool to be File Aid for DB2


Really? File-Aid doesn't support EAV?! I would have expected it to be 
one of the first products to support them! Maybe you just need to 
upgrade to the latest release...


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Re: DB2 + REUSASID(YES)

2013-05-15 Thread Ed Jaffe

On 5/15/2013 10:15 PM, Jim Mulder wrote:

   This was previously discussed on IBM-MAIN in August 2012 under the
subject
Re: REPLACEMENT ASID SHORTAGE

   My comment can be found here:

https://listserv.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1208L=IBM-MAINP=R26629I=-3X=-Y=d10jhm1%40us.ibm.comd=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches


I suspect this would have been implemented by now if Greg Dyck was still 
working with DB2 Development.


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