Before anyone gets upset, this is ONLY my opinion, I'm not trying to force
anyone to do or believe things the way I do, so please don't flame me just
because you feel z/OS ought to be free (as in beer) just because you want to
use it and don't think you should have to pay. I'm sure there are pe
On 7/3/2020 12:16 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
Ah, software cost. I still remember the first CPU upgrade after the insinuation
of tiered pricing. We budgeted for the hardware and extracted approval from
management. Then we were bowled over when the software bills rolled in. Of
course it was our
On 7/3/20 9:46 PM, kekronbekron wrote:
Would love to know more about what your FICON buddy is working
on Grant.
Check out Christian Svensson's (@blueCmd [1]) fejkon project on GitHub
[2] and his blog (?) [3]. It's all public information.
If you wanna share (prefer off-list?), please email
In fact, if IBM really does consider this, they might as well also build a
near-real-time security monitoring product for Z, using CDPz as a source pump.
Maybe Z Operations Insight Suite already has security-specific
dashboard(s)/reports...
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On Saturday, Jul
Besides, any opportunity that allows others to poke at the platform, is an
opportunity well-left (for IBM).
However, since IBM now has controls like
a) ALLOWUSERKEY
b) z/OS Authorized Code Scanner
c) near-real-time interfaces to SMF and tools like CDPz
... they should be capable of seting up a
Would love to know more about what your FICON buddy is working on Grant.
If you wanna share (prefer off-list?), please email :)
Unless IBM explicitly sets up college courses or NDA-tied free-roam access or
whatever, it's only going to be the likes of zAcademy, i.e., restricted lab
environments t
Ehh ... docker version of z/OS (containerized z/OS) or a container daemon
native to z/OS, i.e. building a OCI-compliant container daemon for z/OS,
managing it with "RedHat's" podman and OpenShift/Kooberneetus?
That is, unlike zCX which is just adding support for running s390x images on
z/OS, it
The RMF reports only what could be run on an assist processor without
change. The assist process could be missing, busy when the work came
up, was too short a segment to switch to an assist processor. It
doesn't show what could be run on an assist process with a rewrite.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 1
On Jul 3, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
>
> RMF has reports of what COULD run on assist processors and if you have
> them what DID run on assist processors.
Right. But in our case what COULD run on zIIP was going to depend on whether or
not we could rewrite our code.
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Pew, Curtis G
Sounds great--BUT--as IBM Marketing idiots have done in the past..look for $$
..instead of helping the enhancement of systems and training of new upcoming
tech. people.
Yes this would be a great deal in the forth coming future, but I do not see IBM
Mgnt. Thinking in the lines of the future of th
Pennies. The Toolkit is highly worth it.
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> Years ago, in Silicon Valley, I worked on ACS/OBS WYLBUR.
Would you consider looking at the Wikipedia article on Wylbur and adding some
information?
> Meanwhile, you must have HLASM and probably want to have the toolkit
> (separately chargeable as I understand it).
Yes, HLASM itself is bund
RMF has reports of what COULD run on assist processors and if you have
them what DID run on assist processors.
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 9:06 PM Pew, Curtis G
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> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Jackson, Rob wrote:
> >
> > I'm curious: what about adding zIIPs was challenging?
>
> 1. Determining
Ahhh. Cool. That makes sense. Many thanks for the answer. And congrats;
sounds like it was indeed a challenge.
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On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Jackson, Rob wrote:
>
> I'm curious: what about adding zIIPs was challenging?
1. Determining what our zIIP and non-zIIP capacity needs would be. In other
words, since we didn’t have zIIPs before we weren’t sure how much of our
workload would actually run on the zII
> One can't control their z/OS image, because the DASD for the RES is
> controlled by the data center.
Right, one could not apply a patch to the nucleus. It is on a R/O volume. But
you have pretty good control IMHO:
- SYS1.PARMLIB/PROCLIB/etc. is your own. You can do anything you want there and
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ste...@copper.net (ste...@copper.net) wrote:
>> snip
>
>Meanwhile, you must have HLASM and probably want to have the toolkit
>(separately chargeable as I understand it). You will need all the compilers
>being used COBOL, PL/1, c/C+
I'm curious: what about adding zIIPs was challenging?
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 11:45, Grant Taylor
<023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> I find it very difficult to believe that some business couldn't rent out
> tiny z/VM guests as VPSs for < $100 a month. Limited resources (storage
> / CPU / DASD) would be perfectly fine for hobbyi
I think _I_ know the answer to the big question for IBM on Z. I do suspect
it's incompatible with their culture. I think they're bound and determined to
run the platform into the ground.
I would gladly volunteer my free time to admin a public platform and support
users; I doubt I am alone. I
IIRC the problem is somebody is attempting to ssh/sftp in using a user-id that
does not exist on your system, which means the password they entered is
invalid. Is your system accessible via the public Internet? Somebody may be
attempting to break into your system.
If you don't have auth log
IBM is introducing a DOCKER version of z/OS, so you own that image and
it is loaded as needed. That should give you more isolation from PTFs
that IBM applies to their base docker image that customers start from.
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 7:15 PM ste...@copper.net wrote:
>
> Years ago, in Silicon Va
On Jul 3, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>
> Ah, software cost. I still remember the first CPU upgrade after the
> insinuation of tiered pricing. We budgeted for the hardware and extracted
> approval from management. Then we were bowled over when the software bills
> rolled in. Of c
Ah, software cost. I still remember the first CPU upgrade after the insinuation
of tiered pricing. We budgeted for the hardware and extracted approval from
management. Then we were bowled over when the software bills rolled in. Of
course it was our fault for not considering the budget busting im
Years ago, in Silicon Valley, I worked on ACS/OBS WYLBUR. We had a P/390 that I
had tuned the I/O for to really speed it up. ACS also sold time on their
systems.
Contractually, we were only allowed to charge access costs for the P/390. It
was not to be a "production" machine. So developers coul
A model to look at might be the IBM Innovation Center, Dallas.
The price is higher than what I picture as your target: $550/month and up IIRC.
You get two dedicated VM virtual machines: one that runs CMS and that you use
as a console. You can do limited console automation with Rexx. And one on w
My management decided against it, but a couple years ago, a new low tier z13
and more than enough DASD for us would have been around $400K or so.
Unfortunately, the z/OS licensing was sill more than twice this.
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On 7/3/20 11:52 AM, scott Ford wrote:
I have think more or less along the same lines Grant., since I have retired
Will you please elaborate on what you think and why you think it.
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If you can install a Java VM on those OSs you can try JProtector from XPS
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I have think more or less along the same lines Grant., since I have retired
..
Scott
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:22 PM Tomasz Rola wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 10:18:13AM -0600, Grant Taylor wrote:
> [...]
> > There are a group of hobbyists and enthusiasts that have taken MVS
> > 3.8j, which de
On 7/3/20 11:13 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Interesting. Some questions come to mind.
Discussion is good.
Would it have to have current software to attract the open source
community?
I don't think that bleeding edge is needed in any way shape or form.
My personal interest would be something
On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 10:18:13AM -0600, Grant Taylor wrote:
[...]
> There are a group of hobbyists and enthusiasts that have taken MVS
> 3.8j, which decidedly does not include REXX or prerequisites
> therefor, and backported (?) REXX to it, including re-creating any
> prerequisites.
>
> This is
Interesting. Some questions come to mind.
Would it have to have current software to attract the open source community?
What sort of support would be available from IBM and from volunteers?
Would IBM partially subsidize it if you could show that it would expand the
market?
How would you make it
I own myself second place in this exchange. And it occurred to me only
after I hit that I could have written you privately, rather than
publicly; my apologies for that.
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On 7/3/20 10:12 AM, Grant Taylor wrote:
I know multiple people that have CPCs. But they don't currently have
DASD. I think at least one of them has a line on legal licenses for
z/OS for his CPC.
One of the people I know is developing his own FICON connected DASD by
reading any and all docum
Let's turn the mainframe access discussion on it's head.
What would it take for a group of undetermined number of people to form
a co-op, probably as a legal business entity, to acquire legal,
completely above board, access to a mainframe (CPC / LPAR / VM) that
could run z/VM with multiple z/O
On 7/3/20 4:41 AM, R.S. wrote:
1. (Some) people like to "hack", break rules, be wilful.
I strongly suspect that a personal tiny guest VM would suffice for most
in this camp. I know it would for me.
So, "illegal" Hercules with illegal z/OS is just fancy for them.
There are some that /want
+1
Charles
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On 7/2/20 11:34 PM
On 7/2/20 11:34 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
How much would a hobbyist pay for a Harley, a really nice drone, or
some of the other expensive hobbies.
I don't have figures handy, but I strongly suspect that all of the above
don't average out at $5,000 a year. I suspect they come in considerably
Well, one of us does.
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.E
W dniu 02.07.2020 o 20:13, Tom Conley pisze:
On 7/2/2020 2:06 PM, Kirk Wolf wrote:
How about the original question -
Is there a way to unload from a PDS the "group" (name plus aliases)
for a
given member name and reload it to another PDS ?
Kirk,
If you don't have it already, you should ins
I see you have a lot of free time and you decided to spend it on
pointless quarrels.
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Lodz, Poland
W dniu 03.07.2020 o 15:45, Seymour J Metz pisze:
You made a general comment that was only true for a narrow class of people.
And read whole message,
I did. If there ar
You made a general comment that was only true for a narrow class of people.
> And read whole message,
I did. If there are people such as you described, they are certainly not the
ones criticizing IBM's licensing policies on this list.
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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W dniu 03.07.2020 o 13:36, Seymour J Metz pisze:
The problem is not in the money, not only here.
Speak for yourself. Others are more honest, and the problem *is* the money.
Maybe you've never had to live on a budget, but for some of us $5K is not chump
change.
Speak for yourself. Others may
We did setup an ipsec tunnel between our z/os system down to a group of
devices. Our environment may be different in that the tunnel goes to our
firewall, which the devices are in a secure vlan behind the firewall.
a couple of notes:
1) the ipsec tunnel definition is between your base (i.e./ pr
> Charles clearly meant it as "If one were to..."
I'm not convinced that he meant that, and if he did it was certainly *NOT*
clear.
> comity
I have a limited supply of courtesy; I reserve it for those who do not engage
in gratuitous insults.
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> Mr Metz resolutely straightens everyone else's pictures, in this listserv,
>but is very sensitive about his own.
Actually, I've been know to thank people for correcting me, something Mr. Mills
might consider doing.
> I perceive no hostility in Mr Mills' post,
Examine his posting history and
Dennis,
I would really like to help, but we are at z/OS 2.3 and don't plan on starting
our migration to the next z/OS until early next year. Even though SSI is not
supporting z/OS 2.4 and beyond, I'm hoping to keep SuperWylbur running for
awhile.
Please contact me directly with any finding an
> The problem is not in the money, not only here.
Speak for yourself. Others are more honest, and the problem *is* the money.
Maybe you've never had to live on a budget, but for some of us $5K is not chump
change.
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W dniu 02.07.2020 o 23:51, Tony Thigpen pisze:
I am seeing some DS8000s where a mod-27 is defined as 30051 cylinders.
I am seeing other sites were the mod-27 is defined with 32760 cylinders.
I know the architectural limit of a mod-27 is 32760 cylinders, but if
you work with multiples of mod-1
W dniu 03.07.2020 o 07:34, Brian Westerman pisze:
How much would a hobbyist pay for a Harley, a really nice drone, or some of the
other expensive hobbies. People pay upwards of $1K a year for a new phone. I
did get a discount on that, but I suppose you are correct, if you can't justify
the c
And what?
Did IBM build such versions? NO!
Is it possible to do it? Well IBM dislike Hercules a lot. However they
didn't try to do it. Last, but not least: Hercules is hardware emulator.
Such problem would mean issue with the emulation (found and used by
IBM), which is probably feasible to be f
W dniu 02.07.2020 o 16:39, Clark Morris pisze:
[Default] On 2 Jul 2020 02:13:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) wrote:
snip
BTW: As a mainframe bigot I sometimes am forced to explain why so old
things are still in use. Yes, z14 or z15 is veery old. As
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