You're missing the point. Those utilities are designed to be run in z/OS
UNIX processes not as batch jobs. There are some benefits to that such
as being able to programmatically recovery from errors such as x37
abends. I don't particularly like those utilities. At Rocket we have
much better
I use Intellij IDEs which lint as you type. CLion for C/C++ is next
level to any other editor I've ever used. JetBrains tooling is amazing
but expensive. Luckily my employer pays! There is the clangd daemon that
basically compiles in the background as you type code and picks up
errors. I use
Exactly.
Problem seems to be that the folks developing new-age tooling are fully from
the new-age tooling world, with very limited hands-on time with z/OS.
Experience means something, else we're doomed to keep repeating the same
mistakes in different implementations, opting for a 'fresh start'
If you don't mind, can you show us how.
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wrote:
> I found a way to call the Sysview batch processing program from my JCL,
>
> and I can save the whole job as I wanted.
>
> Thanks to everyone for your
> To be fair, the old-mainframer remark you took to be condescending, I took to
> be aimed at himself. What I don't understand is his leading argument about
> why Python is better.
I understand... However, if these are the kind of implementations that the big
vendors are going to champion as
I miss socializing in the line to use the keypunch. Compiles were fill-in type
work that involved operators reading in the card deck, so very controlled and
very occasional. Desk checking was required.
Cliff McNeill
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On 18/08/2021 1:59 pm, kekronbekron wrote:
Objectively, this has got to be madness.
Just look at the JCL that's being shoved into a horrid, horrid Python program.
~200 lines to replace 18 lines of JCL.
I believe that JCL is better compared to languages like XML, YAML, JSON
etc. than
Back then, we had a 2-processor machine. It had to support multiple CICS
test regions along with the TSO users and batch. Online compiles were
not allowed because TSO was for short-running transactions with plenty
of think time. Tieing up your (possibly shared) terminal (and not doing
anything
I thought that looked familiar. Saw the article on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/mainframe/comments/p6aj9m/converting_jcl_to_python/
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:59 PM kekronbekron <
02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> Objectively, this has got to be madness.
> Just look at
I found a way to call the Sysview batch processing program from my JCL,
and I can save the whole job as I wanted.
Thanks to everyone for your suggestions--I really like the way this
group thinks out of the box!
Billy
Billy Ashton wrote on 8/18/2021 13:56:
Thanks, Lizette! I will give this
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:19:18 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
>A symbolic link is an alternate name to another file or directory.
>Kind of like an alias to a PDS member.
>
"Kind of". In particular, a symlink can be created before the target
exists and persists after the target is deleted, like a
A symbolic link is an alternate name to another file or directory.
Kind of like an alias to a PDS member.
On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:31 PM Tom Brennan wrote:
>
> I don't know. Even in Windows such a method might require the full path
> in the supplied shortcuts, which would be a problem.
I don't know. Even in Windows such a method might require the full path
in the supplied shortcuts, which would be a problem. Another method
would be for IBM to provide a script that builds the shortcuts, and of
course that could be different code depending on the platform.
Thanks but no
To be fair, the old-mainframer remark you took to be condescending, I took to
be aimed at himself. What I don't understand is his leading argument about why
Python is better.
The simplicity of JCL is based on the fact that JCL is just code that we
manage. The
code itself is not complex,
When I started in this business you got one compile turn a night. Omit a comma?
Cost you 24 hours. Better to spend hours desk-checking. I prided myself on my
ability to desk-check.
Now I do most of my compiles on my desktop and so I have gotten very cavalier
about "let the compiler find the
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:09:49 -0700, Tom Brennan wrote:
>...
>Maybe IBM could include such alias links in their big zip file, and save
>us from having to make updates to our scripts every time their html
>index format changes - i.e. every time :)
>
Portabilit? Would your proposed .zip work
Thanks, Lizette! I will give this a try.
Billy
Lizette Koehler wrote:
Go to the internet and look for John McKown's JES2DISK in a GIT Hub
It will do what you want and it is free
Lizette
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Go to the internet and look for John McKown's JES2DISK in a GIT Hub
It will do what you want and it is free
Lizette
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Billy Ashton
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 6:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Spool
Good to hear! During that time one of my other supervisors/teachers
would tell me about her application experience. She said no matter how
complex her COBOL programs were, they would not only compile first time
but would run perfectly. This of course was due to her rigorous
desk-checking
Grrr. That works (in Chrome) for real "Internet" PDFs but not for the z/OS
collection that I now have on local disk.
Charles
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I program that way to this day. (Lots of compiles of small changes, that is.)
Never been called out on it like that, though!
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Brennan
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:17 AM
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Me too, but in the early 1980's. I'd run the assembler from TSO READY
so I wouldn't have to wait for an initiator. My way of programming was
always like starting with a ball of clay generally like what I wanted,
then adding the details as I went along. That method means lots and
lots of
On 8/18/2021 9:23 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
But I don't use that html index anyway - I've been using Windows
shortcuts created from the index by a script I wrote a couple of years
ago. Looks like this: http://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/shortcuts.png
Nice, especially the sidebar.
I wrote a
Thanks Tom!
Evidently I lost that somewhere along the way
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 09:09:01 -0500, Wendell Lovewell wrote:
>It's not exactly a refresh Paul, but change the '4' to a '5' and you have:
>
>https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R5IndexFile/$file/index.html
>
>Gary Puchkoff mentioned yesterday the z/OS 2.5 PDFs were
Jeremy,
Good thing I read your comment - I also noticed the "less error free" Freudian
slip in the article.
Regarding his comment about lowering the amount of typo's, how many additional
mistakes are going to be introduced into his 200+ line program when a change
needs to be made to it to
What comes to my mind is FTP.
SITE FILETYPE=JES
GET JOB01234
Yes, there are some configuration requirements.
Charles
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To:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:32:29 +, Barkow, Eileen wrote:
>There is a redbook named 'IMPLEMENTING REXX SUPPORT IN SDSF' which contains a
>chapter about copying sysout datasets to a PDS, among a lot of other examples.
>
>ibm.com/redbooks
>
(GIYF)
I wrote a Rexx program, largely based on
Your best bet is an XDC line command in SDSF. An external writer won't separate
the jobs for you.
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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Billy Ashton
If his objective is to generate a job, File Tailoring is about as simple as it
gets. If his objective is to run SMP in foreground, a simple REXX script is
easier.
That said, language like Python have their place. But when the only tool you
have is a pipe, everything looks like a filter.
And,
There are lots of serialization techniques that will satisfy the sole
requirement of correct parallel execution. CS, latches and locks all come to
mind.
I have yet to see a case where a restore is necessary. In most cases a restore
would break it.
EXC? That depends on what the code is doing.
There is a redbook named 'IMPLEMENTING REXX SUPPORT IN SDSF' which contains a
chapter about copying sysout datasets to a PDS, among a lot of other examples.
ibm.com/redbooks
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kekronbekron
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If you have sdsf there is a nifty Rexx that will output all to a pds. Not
sure about sysview.
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 10:26, Billy Ashton wrote:
>
> Actually, we have the CA product Sysview. I am looking to see if there is an
> easy way to do this in there.
>
> James Crudele wrote:
>>
>>
Actually, we have the CA product Sysview. I am looking to see if there
is an easy way to do this in there.
James Crudele wrote:
No SDSF?
On Aug 18, 2021, at 09:56, Mike Shorkend wrote:
Spool Offload?
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No SDSF?
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 09:56, Mike Shorkend wrote:
>
> Spool Offload?
>
> -Original Message-
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> Billy Ashton
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2021 16:47
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Spool entire job to a file?
>
>
What I do is:
- type in a + in the NP column to expand it
- sort pos a (oldest job comes at the top)
- //xdc on the top job
- // on the bottom job
- enter some PDS name with MOD and name the members @JOB01... so that you can
press enter, change 1 to 2, press enter, change 2 to 3, etc.
Savings
Yeah, but, that won't split it into members.
On 2021-08-18 09:52, Mark Jacobs wrote:
Use the JES2 external writer perhaps.
Mark Jacobs
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It's not exactly a refresh Paul, but change the '4' to a '5' and you have:
https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R5IndexFile/$file/index.html
Gary Puchkoff mentioned yesterday the z/OS 2.5 PDFs were available. KC not
until GA.
Wendell
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, at 12:52, Tony Thigpen wrote:
> The problem is that he approached his objective from the wrong direction.
>
> It appears that is objective was to 'avoid changing the JCL for
> different control cards'.
I thought that none of what was written addressed the distinction
Spool Offload?
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Billy Ashton
Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2021 16:47
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Spool entire job to a file?
Hi all...I have a need to run a bunch of jobs to do some changes to files, and
we
Use the JES2 external writer perhaps.
Mark Jacobs
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On Wednesday, August 18th, 2021 at 9:46 AM, Billy Ashton
wrote:
> Hi
Hi Billy,
If you have SDSF, you XDC the Job to a Dataset.
Regards,
David
On 2021-08-18 09:46, Billy Ashton wrote:
Hi all...I have a need to run a bunch of jobs to do some changes to
files, and we want to preserve the output of all these jobs for
auditors. Is there a way to use an OUTPUT
Hi all...I have a need to run a bunch of jobs to do some changes to
files, and we want to preserve the output of all these jobs for
auditors. Is there a way to use an OUTPUT statement or something in the
job itself that can redirect the entire job output to a PDS member? We
don't have a
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 01:56:11 -0500, Patrick Loftus wrote:
>You can update the font in your Preferences/Archive options. There's a
>setting to switch to proportional font.
>
Thanks for the pointer. Alas, merely a binary choice, Mono/Proportional. My
eyesight
is bad enough that I want Bold.
I
That did it James, thank you so much !
Carmen
On 8/18/2021 8:25 AM, James Crudele wrote:
f omvs,pfs=zfs,query,all
On Aug 18, 2021, at 09:17, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
I've moved ZFS to run under OMVS on 2 of my LPARS, I'm working on an issue
where one of my systems just hung, one of the
f omvs,pfs=zfs,query,all
> On Aug 18, 2021, at 09:17, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
>
> I've moved ZFS to run under OMVS on 2 of my LPARS, I'm working on an issue
> where one of my systems just hung, one of the messages in the log indicated
> there are quiesed ZFS aggregates, action is to query
I've moved ZFS to run under OMVS on 2 of my LPARS, I'm working on an issue
where one of my systems just hung, one of the messages in the log indicated
there are quiesed ZFS aggregates, action is to query zfs and display all
filesystems, so.since ZFS is not active and OMVS does not see the
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 01:35:41 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
>...
>So while waiting, I wrote a clist to do the same thing. ...
>
I have kept some of my JCL as here-documents in shell scripts;
tailoring with variable substitution. This was particularly useful
prior to the advent of "DD * SYMBOLS=".
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 08:46:43 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Aftermarket books generally get things wrong; that's why I prefer to use the
>reference manuals as tutorials. BTW, can you spot what else is wrong with that
>passage?
>
o Should ENQ specify EXC? (Or other locking mechanism such as
Tony,
Excellent retort! I agree. Why make something simple and so many people
understand into something that is complex and black box-ish.
Mitch
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From: Tony Thigpen
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2021 7:52 am
Subject: Re: even an old mainframer
They are taught the mainframe is OUT, heard this for decades. Not understanding
other systems/platforms NOT their agenda.
I blame IBM for not doing there own marketing to SLAM these IDIOTS. Appeasing
these people not the answer. Education LACKS people that understand or want to
understand.
The problem is that he approached his objective from the wrong direction.
It appears that is objective was to 'avoid changing the JCL for
different control cards'.
We do write some of these type programs for queries that end-users need
to submit. Maybe TSO based on CICS based. But, we
"I am hardly an expert in either," says it all. I don't know where to begin
with what he got wrong.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of
kekronbekron
Aftermarket books generally get things wrong; that's why I prefer to use the
reference manuals as tutorials. BTW, can you spot what else is wrong with that
passage?
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion
Exactly, I'm not against improvements; I'm against improvements for the sake of
a bullet point.
Also, before more folks dial in about the line count... more lines are fine, as
long as it's still legible etc.
In this case, it's all over the place.
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There has to be some happy medium between the rigidity of JCL and the
flexibility of scripting languages. This is not that.
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kekronbekron <02dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17,
You can update the font in your Preferences/Archive options. There's a setting
to switch to proportional font.
The new filters are a good way of grouping messages that usually get split due
to regional versions of "RE:" e.g. "AW:".
Regards
Patrick
Well, in the early 1990s, my system had 1-2 hour delays on compiles.
So while waiting, I wrote a clist to do the same thing. Allocate,
error handling, and deallocate of a single file took about 30 lines,
and a few iterations of debugging. So, once I had one file allocate,
I went through all the
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