Hello ,
from rexx
Which command / way to achieve the last ispf msgid
example:
The result of the command msgid
' The message ID of the last message was "ISRE017 " '
I would like to achieve the "ISRE017"
from rexx
thanks,
weizman
Is it bad because it's slow, or some other reason(s)?
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David Crayford
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 5:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols]
> On 11 May 2023, at 6:25
On Wed, 10 May 2023 20:06:08 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
>DSFS may help out here. Let JES2 allocate a PDS and let the users who just
>have to be Unixy access the PDS through DSFS. I'd suggest the /dsfs/txt/
>branch. Use some symlinks if desired.
>
>I've found that DSFS works very well. It was
> On 11 May 2023, at 12:23 am, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
> Peter Farley wrote:
>> Well, if Open XL C/C++ is the "wave of the future" then IBM had better
>> plan to also buy and integrate all of Rocket's GNU ports (especially
>> bash) because I for one can NOT work in that @#$%!^ POSIX "sh" they
>>
IBM announced their intentions on the LLVM several years ago. It’s a win/win as
they can do more with less. There is a huge community of Clang/LLVM committers
who are top notch engineers.
The announcement had the following sentence which may elude to future plans to
support data sets.
I'm sure we can do that. I still think that IBM should fix it themselves.
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DSFS may help out here. Let JES2 allocate a PDS and let the users who just
have to be Unixy access the PDS through DSFS. I'd suggest the /dsfs/txt/
branch. Use some symlinks if desired.
I've found that DSFS works very well. It was also easy to set up and get
going. There's some weirdness in
Tried that. Didn't add the SUBMITLIBs, but didn't stop JES2 from coming up
either.
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All of those tools have already been ported and are either open source or
commercially supported by Rocket. FWIW, I’ve been using a termino data base
that supports xterm-256color for maybe a decade. It’s simple just by
downloading the directory from Linux. IBM have made it easier with their
> On 11 May 2023, at 6:25 am, Frank Swarbrick
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone here ever used X11 under z/OS?
Yes, it sucks! I don’t see the point of in in 2023 where almost all GUI
applications are browser based progressive web applications. Even IDE’s like VS
Code are HTML/TypeScript and built with
Perhaps delay path related SUBMITLIBs by having automation issue $ADD
SUBMITLIB commands once OMVS is up:
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0?topic=section-add-submitlibx-add-new-concatenation-submit
That should be pretty straightforward with whatever (message) automation
package you
Is it possible to only place the submitlib statements in the commands executed
at the end of JES2 initialization?
This would allow JES2 to initialize I think.
(Still a bit of a bodge though, even if it works.)
Lennie
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IBM has said that what I'm experiencing is working as it's currently designed.
They are discussing internally whether it's a good design however. They agree
that it's poor behavior for JES2 to stop coming up when it can't allocate a
SUBMITLIB. Film at 11.
Mark Jacobs
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Has anyone here ever used X11 under z/OS?
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of
Seymour J Metz
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 12:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols]
Current versions of, e.g., bash, go,
Charles Mills asked:
>Got that, I think. What I was trying to ask is what is the difference
>between them? Why would I choose one of those over the other?
? Because you need the more modern features (2.4.1) or you need/want to do your
work from the MVS side (2.4)?
I feel like I'm missing your
> the later two versions are more modern and thus more compliant with current C
> standards
Got that, I think. What I was trying to ask is what is the difference between
them? Why would I choose one of those over the other?
Charles
On Wed, 10 May 2023 12:50:20 -0400, Phil Smith III wrote:
Current versions of, e.g., bash, go, ooRexx, perl, python, ruby, rust, x11.
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Farley, Peter
It uses TPUT, but capturing the TPUT is only available if you are running under
TSO Session Manager or RYO using the hooks for SM.
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+11 on all points.
Now you're talking!! I'll take LSS too please.
Peter
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Matt Hogstrom
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 1:38 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols]
I’d
"BATCHPGM" returns only RC=0. The WTO in question is informative data and not
an error message ("BATCHPGM" in this case is an ancient kind of "query" program
that WTO's its response).
I have given up on the idea of capturing the informative data from the existing
program and instead cloned
I’d include languages like:
python
node
go
as well as git
and update terminfo to support more modern terminal types than vt100 …
xterm-256color anyone ?
Right now USS is a scavenger hunt to make it remotely useable by find items one
at a time.
What would be awesome is a new Linux System
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>Farley, Peter [031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 1:30 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>Subject: Can REXX OUTTRAP trap WTO's?
>
>Cross-posted to IBM-MAIN and TSO-REXX lists.
>
Hmm-m-m. Might an upgrade of XL C/C++ (JCL only) to the Open XLC version
include a JCL-capable CLANG version? Now I really am dreaming . . .
But I'll take always-available bash and other GNU ports first, thank you very
much.
Peter
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I can report that even with WTPMSG in effect (it is standard here) OUTTRAP
cannot trap WTO messages.
We don't use TSO Sess Man here so I can't answer that one.
Peter
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Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
Sent: Wednesday, May 10,
Charles Mills asked:
>Question: what are the advantages and disadvantages of XL C/C++ 2.4.1
>W/D versus Open XL C/C++? Why might I choose to use one versus the
>other?
What I got from Davids note is that the later two versions are more modern and
thus more compliant with current C standards.
Actually, no widespread reports on site outages, so looks like
everything was replicated?
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 9:23 AM Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>
> Wow, the outlook for Google availability in Paris is “Cloudy”.
>
> I think the mainframe would have been impacted by this as well since this is
> a
Peter Farley wrote:
>"Install bash" is not a possibility in some shops. IBM needs to make
>bash available (and supported) in ALL delivered/updated z/OS systems,
>as a standard part of z/OS, so that there is no choice in the matter.
>Ditto for all the other necessary GNU utilities of course.
Of
I think a WTO that is issued and then written to the TSO screen (as a result
of PROFILE WTPMSG) must ultimately use a TPUT.
(It may even use PUTLINE, which itself then uses a TPUT.)
Can these messages be captured by TSO Sess Man or by OUTTRAP?
Lennie
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"Install bash" is not a possibility in some shops. IBM needs to make bash
available (and supported) in ALL delivered/updated z/OS systems, as a standard
part of z/OS, so that there is no choice in the matter. Ditto for all the
other necessary GNU utilities of course.
Again, just my USD$0.02.
That’s like saying global warming is a hoax because it was below zero in
(insert your city) today.
As this brief survey of the mainframe's place in the current IT landscape
shows, “big iron” is not going away any time soon. In fact, according to Allied
Market Research, the global mainframe
Peter Farley wrote:
>Well, if Open XL C/C++ is the "wave of the future" then IBM had better
>plan to also buy and integrate all of Rocket's GNU ports (especially
>bash) because I for one can NOT work in that @#$%!^ POSIX "sh" they
>supply at the moment. It is a hideous shell to try to work in. It
I can say that UHG (United Health Group) is eliminating their z machines.
The one I worked on is gone. The data was ported to something called
Facets, a vendor product. The historical reports were put in some sort of
archive tool.
I cannot say with total confidence, but I've been told they are
On 10/05/2023 15:13, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Does anybody have announcement letters, or at least dates, for MVS/SE
(5740-XE1) R1 and R2, MVS/SP V1 (5740-XYS, 5740-XYN) and MVS/XA?
By chance I found this yesterday:
https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/MVS
https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/390
Last IBM earnings in April indicated z sales were up 7%. From the earnings
report, “sales of Z mainframe computer systems increased by 7% following the
release in May of the Z16 model.”
But, I’m not enthused about IBM (the company) at all. In fact I stated the
stock has traded in a range of
Well, if Open XL C/C++ is the "wave of the future" then IBM had better plan to
also buy and integrate all of Rocket's GNU ports (especially bash) because I
for one can NOT work in that @#$%!^ POSIX "sh" they supply at the moment. It
is a hideous shell to try to work in. It does not even
Wow, the outlook for Google availability in Paris is “Cloudy”.
I think the mainframe would have been impacted by this as well since this is a
data center design issue, no?
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But Bill definitely does and almost makes up for IBM's failing with his
abundant enthusiasm !
On Tue, 9 May 2023 12:21:03 -0500, John McKown
wrote:
>IMO, IBM doesn't really care about that much about z anymore.
mkk
PS: Not Friday yet but it's the hump-day so are almost there :)
Not mainframe-related, but that article led me to this one:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/05/08/ups_replacement_project_to_shut/
Irony alert: Major airport to be interrupted for two hours to replace UPS
Three power outages have hit NAIA in the past year. What was that about ramping
up
Thank you, @David. I have been to the disclosure sessions and this is clearer
than anything I have heard from IBM.
Question: what are the advantages and disadvantages of XL C/C++ 2.4.1 W/D
versus Open XL C/C++? Why might I choose to use one versus the other?
Thanks,
Charles
On Wed, 10 May
David Crayford wrote, in part:
>2.4.1 is more than a slight update, it's a completely different
>front-end. To make it more confusing there are three C/C++ compiler
>products on z/OS.
Yes, that is hella confusing. With similar names AND versions, at least for two
of them. And it sounds
Does anybody have announcement letters, or at least dates, for MVS/SE
(5740-XE1) R1 and R2, MVS/SP V1 (5740-XYS, 5740-XYN) and MVS/XA?
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Why not do some research and/or voting before changing the way announcements
are distributed?
Someone at IBM thinks the new way is better, but do the users agree?
Personally, I prefer to continue to receive the e-mail every Tuesday and access
what is of interest to me.
Carlos Bodra
IBM
I must say that I scanned that email every time it came in and it sometimes
delivered important clues for my customers. But if IBM does not want me to read
it anymore that is fine with me and it will probably hurt their dollars. I half
expect them to do a RedBooks-like U-turn like in their
I added that to the top of COMMNDxx. JES2 is also started there. In our sandbox
it didn't work. I'd need to get the automation team to get involved to have it
trap the OMVS is active message then start JES2. Unless some other engineering
teams express an interest in SUBMITLIBs in a file system
I hate this new way for announcement. Receiving an e-mail with a short
description of announce was great since long time ago. Now *YOU* need to check
a web site that seems confuse about hardware, software, services, withdrawn
etc..
If possible, I vote to return old version, with an e-mail
Classification: Confidential
Issue the command in COMMNDxx or your System Automation product.
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Mark Jacobs
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 7:12 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JES2 Submitlib Bootstrap
We don't run ZFS support in its own address space any longer, it's in the OMVS
address space now.
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How do you start OMVS SUB=MSTR? I'm not seeing any start command in parmlib.
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OUTTRAP is for messages written by PUTLINE and PUTGET; the TSO Session Manager
can capture TPUT but there is no way to capture WTO directly.
However, if you have the proper authorization (OP does not) then you can
examine console messages with the CONSOLE facility.
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OMVS can be started as SUB=MSTR or as a JES task. Che choice is up to the
installation.
Ditto for ZFS.
What is really being implied is that if JES2 needs OMVS services, it should not
provide those services until OMVS has initialized,
Many other tasks do this (e.g.
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