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GIMAPI can not get enough storage to satisfy the request it returns an error.
Can you describe in more detail the behavior you find questionable? What is
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is further. IEWDLR00 defined I Wave
1A, after Wave 0, is a head scratcher. There should be no reference to
IEWDLR00 in Wave 0. Are you installing into a brand new empty target zone, or
did you make a copy of the target zone from a prior release?
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and ripples sequence as described in
the z/OS 3.1 Program Directory?
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/3.1.0?topic=level-zos-program-directory
Which wave/ripple are you currently installing that gets this error? Can you
find where LMOD IEWLDR00 is created in the APPLY output for a prior wave/r
> Does gimapi has access to this data?
No.
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indicating the most recent date ERROR or FIXCAT HOLDDATA was received into the
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? I don't think so, I counted carefully and double checked,
"ABCPROC#C" is indeed 9 characters long, I didn't make that up.
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equire SMP/E to support CSECT
names >8 characters on the IMASPZAP NAME statement within a ++ZAP, you can open
a case with IBM support and request an APAR to update SMP/E's processing in
this regard.
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reate new, which should be about the same amount of work as
cloning, and the new product release I suspect supplies sample jobs to do
exactly that.
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> NAME ABCDITSK ABCPROC#C C_CODE
I believe SMP/E supports a maximum of 8 characters for the LMOD, CSECT, and
CLASS names specified on the IMASPZAP NAME statement. CSECT name ABCPROC#C is
9 characters.
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or
z/OS 2.4, nor an entire z/OS 2.4. You might be stuck with getting and using
the COD (Customized Offerings Driver) which is a load-and-go z/OS containing a
z/OSMF server which you can then use to install z/OS 3.1.
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as produced. By the identified date, all other IBM production
centers are planned to be signing PTF and HOLDDATA order packages. Please
refer to the following to learn how to verify the signatures of these packages:
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will not be happy)
>
> Any suggestions?
I can't think of anything else besides the options you mention. Sorry.
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he same name as your existing data
sets in your existing master catalog, because z/OSMF knows the existing catalog
entry containing the volume symbol can be used for both your existing system
and for your new target system.
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> ADD DDDEF(VSHZFSX) PATH'/u/some/directory') .
> So it doesn't validate access to or even existence of that directory.
APPLY CHECK does indeed check for the existence of the directory, but it does
not check a user's permissions to update files in that directory.
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not remove the current IP
addresses from your firewall settings too soon.
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WI) for
a small fictitious software product, and to a set of tutorial videos that lead
you through the process of installing the sample PSWI.
https://www.ibm.com/support/z-content-solutions/serverpac-install-zosmf/
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ovider (not just IBM) can create a
Portable Software Instance containing their software product using z/OSMF and
distribute it to their clients, and the clients can install the software
contained in the Portable Software Instance using z/OSMF. No JCL massaging
required.
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of the software on
the z/OS platform is, then the package includes the SMP/E artifacts like CSIs
so you can install PTF fixes. You can of course choose to ignore the SMP/E
artifacts and just repeat the process to install an updated Portable Software
Instance in 3 months as you suggest.
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bs/pdf/gimpkg80.pdf
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software. If so use the REPORT SOURCEID command to get a list of all
the SOURCEIDs, including RSU, associated with applied PTFs. Option 3.3
in the SMP/E dialog will do similar.
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T=*
//SMPLIST DD SYSOUT=*
//SMPCNTL DD *
SET BDY(GLOBAL).
LIST PRODUCT FEATURE.
/*
A better approach is to use z/OSMF Software Management. The Products
page displays exactly which Products, Features, and FMIDs are installed.
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was many years ago, but APPLY does not create aliases for
elements copied from RELFILEs.
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If the APPLY creates true members instead of aliases, then the REFILE
incorrectly contains true members instead of aliases. SMP/E APPLY
simply tells IEBCOPY to copy the members (true and alias) from the
RELFILE (actually, the SMPTLIB data set) to the target library.
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if
TESTCASE.boulder.ibm.com has same TLS requirement (havent tried that yet).
Glad to hear you're using HTTPS for your software downloads.
Regarding the TESTCASE servers, I'm told TLS 1.2 is NOT REQUIRED. It is
enabled, but not required at this time.
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https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/6417233
I hope this helps. Is anyone still having trouble connecting?
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Where does (the ALIAS) XYZ get copied to //CLIST?
(It is there after the Job runs, but, there is no record of it in the
Job Output.)
After the IEBCOPY operation SMP/E creates the alias in the data set
directly using the STOW data management macro.
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Guide, here:
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0?topic=guide-preparing-secure-internet-delivery
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software as Software Instances in z/OSMF, go to the Products list to
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Version/Release, Vendor, End of Service, and more.
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On 4/28/2021 6:25 PM, Bill Giannelli wrote:
How do specify a proxy server in JCL for SFTP executing BPXBATCH?
I have no experience using it, but have you considered the
-oProxyCommand option of sftp?
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- Holddata are ftp-Links only. And I want to download holddata without ordering anything via ShopZ.
Not true. You want the IBM HOLDDATA without using FTP? Use SMP/E
RECEIVE ORDER and indicate downloadmethod="https".
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EIVE ORDER. The
method in which you acquired the PTFs is not relevant. The dates on
which you acquired the identified PTFs is the important factor.
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And this page for OS/390 V2:
https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd=sm=ShopzSeries=897/ENUS5647-A01
Curious, why do you want this info for old releases, and why is the
other info you found "horribly inconvenient"?
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Is this the page you're looking for? (mind the wrap)
https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd=sm=ShopzSeries=897/ENUS5650-ZOS
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rrect link:
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I'll see about getting the page fixed. Thanks.
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your workstation to z/OS. This last bit, using z/OSMF to
upload from your workstation to z/OS, is a definite improvement over the
current ServerPac which requires you to upload manually.
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On 1/26/2021 9:46 PM, Ravi Kumar.C.Gowda wrote:
Dear IBM team, can you please share the link where blogs & videos regarding
zOSMF are posted!? Much appreciated
Start here: https://ibm.github.io/zOSMF/
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in general.
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can anyone provide JCL to tar a USS directory?
//PAX EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH
//STDPARM DD *
PGM /bin/pax -zvwf /u/user/paxfile.pax.Z
/directory/to/be/paxed/
/*
//STDOUT DD SYSOUT=*
//STDERR DD SYSOUT=*
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server to manually download the /s390/holddata/full.txt file. But as
already mentioned, you should check out SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER instead to
get both HOLDDATA and PTFs.
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rison zone.
2. SYSMOD Comparison HOLDDATA report, identifying the SYSTEM and USER
HOLDs for the SYSMODs identified in the other report. These are the
HOLDs you need to review and resolve when upgrading the comparison zone
with the input zone.
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n't appear to be a print or export function
The Export Table Data and Print Table Data actions are both available on
the View Products, Features, and FMIDs page. Check out the Actions drop
down at the top of the table.
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be offered in
this form? We're working on that, and the date has not yet been announced.
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, then that's the problem.
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On 10/15/2020 8:36 PM, Wendell Lovewell wrote:
Is it possible to code a proc that would invoke SFTP to transfer a
file to or from a non-z/OS ftp server using only that server's public
key and a userid/password combination like you would use
recent online SHARE
discussed this very topic in the Bit Bucket session. I would check out
his slides if you have access.
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COMPAREDTO(data.set.name,runtimeTgtzone)
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in my USS file system?
Bill, is there any output in SYSPRINT? GIMUNZIP should echo information
there from any utilities it calls or from the UNIX shell.
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What command do use to set up FMIDSETs?
SET BDY(GLOBAL).
UCLIN.
ADD FMIDSET(MYFSET) FMID(FMID001, FMID002).
ENDUCL.
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.gim1000/uclgfm.htm
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in any SMPCSI at all? Then start looking for other global
zone SMPCSI data sets. Look for every data set with a .CSI
low-level-qualifier data set name. If you can avoid it you really want
to avoid ordering and obtaining these FMIDs again, for the reasons
already mentioned by others.
Kurt Quack
t
provides a Deploy operation that will clone your SMP/E environment,
taking care of renaming data sets, zones, updating DDDEF entries, etc.
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from there. But the result is roughly the same.
When you restart the RECEIVE, yes you can specify a different SMPWKDIR
directory.
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" all the downloaded software is
received into my Global?
That is correct, the RECEIVE FROMNETWORK command (without the
TRANSFERONLY option) will download, unzip the archive files, AND update
the global zone and SMPPTS data sets in one fell swoop.
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z/OS 2.1 system? On start
up z/OSMF should discover all members in the same sysplex as the z/OSMF
server, so I'm curious what was discovered.
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ou restart the server.
I've no idea if this is new behavior or not but V2.4 at least behaves
this way.
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of running the generated APPLY from this REPORT MISSINGFIX
command will be more like running APPLY SOURCEID(IBM.Function.GlobalMirror).
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' CERTAUTH keyrings.
I'm not suggesting who anyone should trust, but IBM currently uses
Digicert for its software download servers, therefore, I expect most
folks already have the Digicert CA cert installed.
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so. Hence the UPGRADE command.
If you plan to continue to use SMP/E 36.105 or higher when processing
the subject target and dlib zone, then it is perfectly safe to use the
UPGRADE command.
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/izuconfig_SecurityStructuresForZosmf.htm#DefaultSecuritySetupForZosmf__SecuritySetupRequirementsForConfPlugin
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to replace SMP/E. Yes, over
time we plan to replace the existing ServerPac installation with a
z/OSMF based install, but z/OS software will continue to be serviced
using PTFs and therefore using SMP/E.
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ion.
FMIDs and descriptions you can get from your CSI. Try using the GIMAPI
program interface to query SYSMOD entries from your target zones and
return their DESCRIPTION subentries.
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ample, yes, 9 zones. Although I assert you don't need
to copy your global zone, just the target and dlib. So really you have
3 target and dlib zones (6), all hanging off a single global zone (1)
for a total of 7.
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have been a one time issue for you, sorry. If this
problem persists, add this to your information and feel free to
contact me directly for further assistance.
javadebugoptions="-Dcom.ibm.smp.debug=severe"
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)
Only the DigiCert Global Root CA and your Shopz generated client
certificate are required in your keyring.
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at the moment you tried to connect to the server it was not
using the correct certificate. I can't explain this.
Have you tried again? The server seems to working properly for me at
the moment.
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act
with Shopz again to order and download PTFs using SMP/E.
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, but...
this is way more than a simple HTTPS GET request, but check out
SYS1.SAMPLIB(IZUDXEXP). This is a REXX to invoke several z/OSMF
Software Management REST APIs, which are HTTPS.
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you a Product/Feature named "No
Product" and "No Feature" with a list of the FMIDs under that? Your
software instance does point to your global zone SMPCSI data set, right?
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there to get a list of the Products, Features, FMIDs
installed in your SMP/E environment. Use the Software Instance -> View
-> Products, Features, and FMIDs action.
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and then
ACCEPT the PTFs - or wait for the ACCEPT until right before your next APPLY
cycle.
I completely agree, there is no reason NOT to ACCEPT a new base
(FUNCTION SYSMODs) right away.
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this information
is up to you. For example, if you have no plans ever to APPLY or ACCEPT
the FUNCTION SYSMOD that supplied the subject SMPTLIB data set, then I
suppose you can ignore the error.
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much free space should be allocated by ServerPac? I saw 50%
mentioned. Is that enough? Should it be the same for every data set,
or just the three you mention? Is it possible to get any kind of
consensus on this topic?
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to use.
Check out the granular security controls for SM where:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.izua300/IZUHPINFO_SwDeploymentUserAuth.htm
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Service Test) cycle.
IBM's quarterly RSUs (RSUyy03, 06, 09, 12) identify the usual monthly
RSU PTFs as described above, plus all other PTFs that have completed at
least a 90 day CST cycle.
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, either use FORTGTZONES
in both or not at all. My preference is not at all.
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guarantee that I have ALL output, so
I don't know if it'll be enough, or whether it contains what we're looking for.
Fantastic as it is to get support this way, are we moving into PMR territory?
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licate PTF members across your SMPPTS and SMPPTS1 data sets. You
can ignore these messages.
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describe the processing of SMP/E RECEIVE ORDER well, thank you Dave.
If Bob still has questions or comments, please restate and clarify them.
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On 4/5/2019 10:26 AM, Kurt Quackenbush wrote:
On 4/5/2019 9:18 AM, daverankin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 1:56:19 PM UTC+1, Kurt Quackenbush wrote:
On 4/5/2019 6:50 AM, daverankin...@gmail.com wrote:
I have started to get errors when trying to use the Service download
SMP
On 4/5/2019 9:18 AM, daverankin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 1:56:19 PM UTC+1, Kurt Quackenbush wrote:
On 4/5/2019 6:50 AM, daverankin...@gmail.com wrote:
I have started to get errors when trying to use the Service download SMP/E
service on all my LPARs. I have checked all
seems to be the issue but is valid until 2020.
Are you sure the DigiCert Global Root CA is connected to the keyring you
specified in for the RECEIVE ORDER command?
Try this to see which certs are in the keyring:
RACDCERT ID(ring-owner) LISTRING(keyringname)
Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E
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Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development
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