Re: Beginners question about SHARE

Never miss a chance to go off-topic. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:47 PM, John Gilmore wrote: > Did the Australian contingent order 'blue' or "bleu' steaks? The > locution 'bleu' for what Americans call 'rare' is standard French, but > used by pommies and, it would seem, Australians, too. Italia

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Did the Australian contingent order 'blue' or "bleu' steaks? The locution 'bleu' for what Americans call 'rare' is standard French, but used by pommies and, it would seem, Australians, too. Italians say 'al sangue' , loosely 'bloody'; and, my favorite, Persians say 'napochte', not cooked. Locut

Re: Beginners question about SHARE

On 8/3/2014 6:34 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: 2002 myself and a couple of mates from Aus turned up for our first Share in 'Frisco. Bowled into the ballroom and didn't know a soul. I said to the boys "I bet we know (through this list) half the people here". So I went over to the JES3 table expecting

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On 7/31/2014 10:16 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: The percentage varies from conference to conference, but usually somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of SHARE conference attendees are first-timers... 28.6% of attendees in Pittsburgh were first timers... It was a great conference in a great new venue... -

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In , on 08/03/2014 at 09:20 AM, zMan said: >OK, let me be clear then: I can think of at least a half-dozen >regular SHARE attendees who agree with Charles' assessment that it >*feels like* there's an exclusive, "club" attitude. That is a spearate issue. Had Charles stuck to claiming thaqt the

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> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 08:34:52 -0500 > From: ibm-m...@tpg.com.au > Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > ... > - the guys who had usurped the otherwise empty table were a bunch of CICS > bods from Hersley. I can't spell CICS,

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On Sun, 3 Aug 2014 09:20:16 -0400, zMan wrote: >...I conclude that this is worth discussing, rather than flaming someone >for pointing it out. 2002 myself and a couple of mates from Aus turned up for our first Share in 'Frisco. Bowled into the ballroom and didn't know a soul. I said to the boys

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OK, let me be clear then: I can think of at least a half-dozen regular SHARE attendees who agree with Charles' assessment that it *feels like* there's an exclusive, "club" attitude. I do not believe it's deliberate--but that's how it comes across. And I've had coworkers who went to their first SHAR

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In , on 08/01/2014 at 11:52 AM, zMan said: >Now who's confused? Where did Charles even suggest that anyone here >wanted small companies or unaffiliated students to stay out? When he wrote 'I think the attacks are a good illustration of the "it's OUR club -- you stay out of it" attitude.' I ha

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Now who's confused? Where did Charles even suggest that anyone here wanted small companies or unaffiliated students to stay out? He asked whether the company orientation was off-putting. And got attacked for it. Hint: If there's a perceived problem, there's a problem. Charles and I aren't the only

Re: Beginners question about SHARE

In <0e4601cfacb3$1eb278d0$5c176a70$@mcn.org>, on 07/31/2014 at 07:32 AM, Charles Mills said: >I think the attacks are a good illustration of the "it's OUR club -- >you stay out of it" attitude. Nonsense. I can't think of a single poster here who wants small companies or unaffiliated students

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In , on 07/30/2014 at 07:00 PM, zMan said: >1) the OP's difficulty with the website is Bad and could be fixed >relatively easily Certainly it's bad, but you can't do only one thing and I'm not convinced that it is easy to fix. It is, IMHO, desirable to fix it, but without breaking something e

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:46:20 -0400, Charles Mills wrote: >How many new companies? > >Has anyone at SHARE compared our numbers in these regards to IDUG's? Dunno about IDUG, but on the way home from Boston Share I dropped in to VMWorld in Frisco a bit over a week later. Chalk and cheese. They had

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> Has anyone at SHARE compared our numbers in these regards to IDUG's? Since you said you serve on the Security Project I suggest you ask this question at Team Time instead of on this forum. Team Time is a good venue for you to address questions to people who can provide answers. Bob Shannon Ro

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bject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE On 7/31/2014 9:46 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: > Last time I went, two years ago, anyone who went to the First Time > Attendee session received a round green sticker on their badge reading > "1st SHARE".. The percentage varies from confe

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 10:16:22 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote: >On 7/31/2014 9:46 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: >> Last time I went, two years ago, anyone who went to the First Time >> Attendee session received a round green sticker on their badge reading >> "1st SHARE".. > >The percentage varies from conference t

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On 7/31/2014 9:46 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: Last time I went, two years ago, anyone who went to the First Time Attendee session received a round green sticker on their badge reading "1st SHARE".. The percentage varies from conference to conference, but usually somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:56:51 +, DASDBILL2 wrote: >I don't know how to recognize new attendees easily, but I would >assume they have a ribbon of a particular color. Last time I went, two years ago, anyone who went to the First Time Attendee session received a round green sticker on their bad

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nesday, July 30, 2014 4:34:53 PM Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE Well, wasn't a first time or a confession but I had a session scheduled in   the Marquee Marriott(NYC) in the 'fashion room' with mirrored walls and ceilings. I had a session penciled   in for the Hilton acr

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The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks. === > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:54:55 -0400 > From: steve_con...@ao.uscourts.gov > Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Charles Mills said: > "I think the attacks are a good

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Charles Mills said: "I think the attacks are a good illustration of the "it's OUR club -- you stay out of it" attitude." Bullshit. The "attacks" were a response to inflammatory language. You got called on it. Deal. Steven F. Conway, CISSP AO-DTS- CTHO-HSD INFRASTRUCTURE (INFR) z/OS Systems

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Behalf Of zMan Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE I think Charles' original point was that it SEEMS like there's an "old boys' network". I doubt anyone thinks the SHARE Board is happy with declining

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I think Charles' original point was that it SEEMS like there's an "old boys' network". I doubt anyone thinks the SHARE Board is happy with declining attendance--that would be insane. But what we aren't seeing are substantive changes that seem like they'll help. Let me be clear: I said "aren't seein

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Well, wasn't a first time or a confession but I had a session scheduled in the Marquee Marriott(NYC) in the 'fashion room' with mirrored walls and ceilings. I had a session penciled in for the Hilton across the street, but it was raining so just parked in the 'fashion room'. The session was a

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In <0ae001cfabef$444bb760$cce32620$@mcn.org>, on 07/30/2014 at 08:10 AM, Charles Mills said: >I think SHARE would be better off with a little less of an "old boys' >club" approach to attendance. I can't recall a time when Share management wasn't actively seeking new blood, but they can't forc

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Ed Jaffe wrote: >Hopefully, Shmuel's reference was to Ed Gould and not Ed Finnell, Ed Long or > Ed Jaffe... LOL! I'm having an identity crisis! How many 'Ed' and 'John' are on this IBM-MAIN discussion list? Possible estimate: perhaps in the range of of x'' (unsigned)? :-D Groete / Gr

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- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE For the record let me state that I am not badmouthing SHARE. I love this platform and I

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For the record let me state that I am not badmouthing SHARE. I love this platform and I like SHARE because it is the best we've got. I'm not some bystander bashing SHARE: I have presented at half a dozen (?) SHAREs, exhibited at half a dozen (?) more, and I'm on the Security Project with Carla.

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In <036501cfab6b$955d16f0$c01744d0$@akphs.com>, on 07/29/2014 at 04:27 PM, Phil Smith III said: >I guess I'm confused, Shmuel-are you contending that because many >web sites suck, it's OK for the SHARE site to suck? Not even close; I'm contending that because the majority of web sites suck,

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Oh well, just to add fuel. There's several parts to SHARE. 1) HQ on E. Wacker Drive that are salaried permanent staff. 2)SHARE members from which the officers are voted. 3)SHARE project leaders that usually selected on their interest and knowledge of particular areas of IBM universe and past

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On 7/29/2014 2:41 PM, Charles wrote: Accepted. Thank you. I guess I'm flattered to be confused with Ed. Charles Sent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity Hopefully, Shmuel's reference was to Ed Gould and not Ed Finnell, Ed Long or Ed Jaffe... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software Interna

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Accepted. Thank you.  I guess I'm flattered to be confused with Ed.  Charles Sent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity Original message From: "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" Date:07/29/2014 4:13 PM (GMT-05:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Beg

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Shmuel wrote: >As to the web site, it stinks, but is no worse than 99% of the other >web sites that I've seen. Gresham's law applies. I guess I'm confused, Shmuel-are you contending that because many web sites suck, it's OK for the SHARE site to suck? Or, based on the reference to Gresham,

Re: Beginners question about SHARE

In <081501cfaabf$568ed370$03ac7a50$@mcn.org>, on 07/28/2014 at 07:54 PM, Charles Mills said: >Cite ONE post where I badmouthed SHARE or apologize. I apologize for confusing you with Ed. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

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Cite ONE post where I badmouthed SHARE or apologize. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Beginners question

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In <01c501cfa8c8$cf19e4e0$6d4daea0$@mcn.org>, on 07/26/2014 at 07:57 AM, Charles Mills said: >I apologize to anyone who is not familiar with exaggeration, We are all too familiar with it. >a figure of speech used for emphasis or humor. Perhaps you should consult your dictionary again. Exagg

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In <055901cfa85b$4528b620$cf7a2260$@akphs.com>, on 07/25/2014 at 06:53 PM, Phil Smith III said: >Tom, c'mon - he was obviously being funny, That's not how I read it; he's been badmouthing Share for a long time, and in particular claiming an exclusiveness that doesn't jibe with my experience.

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Charles Mills wrote: >I apologize to anyone who is not familiar with exaggeration, a figure of >speech used for emphasis or humor. No need to apologize! I could see your sense of humor. That alone helps one read the various posts on IBM-MAIN. I appreciate your attempts to give good service whi

Re: Beginners question about SHARE

Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 3:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:37:29 -0400, Charles Mills wrote: >How is the Z platform served by making "how to attend your first SHARE" >a more arcane question

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On 25 Jul 2014 16:35:52 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >Thank you to all who have responded to this thread. I would like to provide a >consolidated response since there are several questions that have been raised. > >The fee structure for SHARE Events is on the SHARE web site, on the

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On 25 Jul 2014 15:53:51 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >Tom, c'mon - he was obviously being funny, and there's equally obviously >some level of problem, based on the fact that the OP had looked, and others >have echoed that it's not obvious (I couldn't find it trivially, either). > >

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Thank you to all who have responded to this thread. I would like to provide a consolidated response since there are several questions that have been raised. The fee structure for SHARE Events is on the SHARE web site, on the Registration page. The direct link is http://www.share.org/p/cm/ld/f

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Tom, c'mon - he was obviously being funny, and there's equally obviously some level of problem, based on the fact that the OP had looked, and others have echoed that it's not obvious (I couldn't find it trivially, either). Charles's other point-that the company aspect of SHARE might should be a

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es not make sense any more. Let the flames begin. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- m...@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHAR

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ot > make sense any more. > > Let the flames begin. > > Charles > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:31 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.

Re: Beginners question about SHARE

On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:37:29 -0400, Charles Mills wrote: >How is the Z platform served by making "how to attend your first SHARE" a >more arcane question than "how to attain the highest rank of Freemasonry"? Nonsense. This kind of wild exaggeration ruins your credibility. >I know it has been di

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ion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE But, somewhat surprisingly neither the SHARE web pages on "Becoming a Member" nor the page at the "Jo

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chant" <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:34:43 AM Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:20:19 +, DASDBILL2 wrote: >It has been my experience that many of the questions he asked in his O

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:20:19 +, DASDBILL2 wrote: >It has been my experience that many of the questions he asked in his OP are >answered on the SHARE website. That has been my experience too. A couple of years ago, though, the web site was completely revamped and I still find it to be less

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his area. >Joel C. Ewing > > > On 07/23/2014 04:20 PM, DASDBILL2 wrote: >> It has been my experience that many of the questions he asked in his OP are >> answered on the SHARE website. >> Bill Fairchild >> >> - Original Message - >> &g

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on the SHARE website. > Bill Fairchild > > - Original Message - > > From: "Clark Morris" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:41:16 PM > Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE > > On 23 Jul 2014 09:57:59 -0700, i

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Hi, In many cases, I have found that a company will join SHARE and current employees not know about it. If you can give me the name of your company, I will check to see if they have a membership. There are also special rates for full time students, for first time attendees, for small groups

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t; It has been my experience that many of the questions he asked in his OP are > answered on the SHARE website. > Bill Fairchild > > - Original Message - > > From: "Clark Morris" > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:41:16 PM

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It has been my experience that many of the questions he asked in his OP are answered on the SHARE website. Bill Fairchild - Original Message - From: "Clark Morris" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:41:16 PM Subject: Re: Beginners question a

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-- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of John Eells >> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:06 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE >> >> R.S. wrote: >> > I kn

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Lizette Koehler wrote: >Or you could write or call Share directly for friendly answers Only I wouldn't expect a prompt answer from SHARE HQ with the conference just a few weeks away. I've been trying to get an answer to a question for several days now, no response. Unfortunately, this is typic

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Lizette Koehler wrote: Or you could write or call Share directly for friendly answers There you go, Lizette, making sense again. Probably the best answer of all! -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com

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n List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of John Eells > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:06 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Beginners question about SHARE > > R.S. wrote: > > I know a little about mainframes and about SHARE, but I don't know

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:47:46 +0200, R.S. wrote: >I know a little about mainframes and about SHARE, but I don't know how >it's paid. >Can I simply pay and attend given SHARE conference or rather my company >hasve to become SHARE member and the send empleyr to the conference? You can simply pay

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On 07/23/2014 08:47 AM, R.S. wrote: > I know a little about mainframes and about SHARE, but I don't know how > it's paid. > Can I simply pay and attend given SHARE conference or rather my > company hasve to become SHARE member and the send empleyr to the > conference? > What about SHARE materials (

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You can get a non-member account to look at their existing materials. http://www.share.org/p/cm/ld/fid=9 It is a one time fee for your organization to join, then everyone at your workplace can join for no additional cost. For everyone who attends a meeting, you then get a $400 per person discount o

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R.S. wrote: I know a little about mainframes and about SHARE, but I don't know how it's paid. Can I simply pay and attend given SHARE conference or rather my company hasve to become SHARE member and the send empleyr to the conference? What about SHARE materials (presentations) ? It appears to m

Beginners question about SHARE

I know a little about mainframes and about SHARE, but I don't know how it's paid. Can I simply pay and attend given SHARE conference or rather my company hasve to become SHARE member and the send empleyr to the conference? What about SHARE materials (presentations) ? I did some research (I coul