In
77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca343415c6...@nwt-s-mbx2.rocketsoftware.com,
on 07/30/2012
at 08:32 PM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com said:
but I have heard data is my whole life when listening to
conversational English (not Latin), find data are to sound strange,
While I cringe
In 5016b9ec.9020...@acm.org, on 07/30/2012
at 11:44 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said:
My recollection is that in the era of punched cards the more common
usage by programmers/operators was just card, cards, or card
deck and others more often than not called them IBM cards
Also
Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 5:03 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80 column punched
card reader!
Hard as it may be to do so, let's also try to avoid 'punch card', using
'punched card' instead.
Why? It is a card
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:03:06 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
Paul Gilmartin is almost right. Both the reader and the punch
read and punched what they were presented with.
What is that supposed to mean? Bit 2 of the CCW opcode selected
whether to read/punch EBCDIC or column binary.
Was
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote:
Is motor oil not motor oil until it's installed in a motor?
Is cat food not cat food until ...?
cf. baby oil vs. whale oil ... when you get right down to it, English
isn't much of a language.
--
zMan -- I've got a
Lindy Mayfield wrote:
For me, punched card isn't quite as easy to pronounce as punch card, but I
have some difficulties saying iced tea. Perhaps ice' tea would be more a
more accurate representation.
That's really syncopehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncope_%28phonetics%29
(arguably
English can be wielded with great precision; but it, and American
English in particular, often is not. The term 'ice tea' has now, for
example, largely supplanted 'iced tea' among the subliterate; etc.,
etc., ad nauseam.
When punched cards were in wide use 'punch cards' was avoided, but
those
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Friday: What you've been waiting for! Build an 80
column punched card reader!
English can be wielded with great precision; but it, and American English
in
particular, often is not. The term 'ice tea' has now, for example,
largely
In 45fcfbbb8bc8eb4a9dfedc6fa2cc7fdf17f90...@sdkmbx02.emea.sas.com,
on 07/30/2012
at 09:28 AM, Lindy Mayfield lindy.mayfi...@sas.com said:
For me, punched card isn't quite as easy to pronounce as punch
card, but I have some difficulties saying iced tea. Perhaps ice'
tea would be more a more
In 8848452157165904.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
07/30/2012
at 09:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Was that uniformly true?
Was what universally true. I don't know of any S/360 card equipment
that used nonstandard CCW opcodes for read and punch. If you're
Of such distinctions as that between 'iced tea' and 'ice tea' Phil Smith writes:
| And not worth debating, as such...folks understand you either way!
This view is the predominant one among usage-preoccupied linguists.
Usage, by anyone, legitimates [almost] any construct
In fact, however, things
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Knuth recounts
bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote:
Was what universally true.
What he quoted, using your precious non-top-posting. Sheesh. If you're
gonna preach it, learn to use it.
--
zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it
In
CAE1XxDH=2+e+p2ag55ykgtwlc+ttbptqvrzv8iunhoaxpzg...@mail.gmail.com,
on 07/27/2012
at 10:34 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
Paul Gilmartin is almost right. Both the reader and the punch
read and punched what they were presented with.
What is that supposed to mean? Bit 2 of the
On 07/27/2012 03:07 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:21:26 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
For the truly strange hardware hackers among us.
Hardware:
http://codeincluded.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/punch-card-reader-hardware.html
software:
For the truly strange hardware hackers among us.
Hardware:
http://codeincluded.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/punch-card-reader-hardware.html
software:
http://codeincluded.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/punchcard-reader-software.html
John McKown
Systems Engineer IV
IT
Administrative Services Group
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:21:26 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
For the truly strange hardware hackers among us.
Hardware:
http://codeincluded.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/punch-card-reader-hardware.html
software:
http://codeincluded.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/punchcard-reader-software.html
Ummm... USB
Paul Gilmartin is almost right. Both the reader and the punch read
and punched what they were presented with. Programs generated that
'what' for output and interpreted it upon input.
Sometimes it was BCD. Sometimes it was EBCDIC. Sometimes, e.g., for
object modules, it was 'column binary'.
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