Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Haruspicina literally means 'divination by inspection of entrails'. Peak usage in 1913-1914 of 0.005287% (http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=haruspicinayear_start=1500ye ar_end=2010corpus=15smoothing=3share=) lituus is (in ancient Rome) a crook-shaped staff used by augurs for divination. Peak usage in 1795 of 0.148396% (http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=lituusyear_start=year_en d=2000corpus=15smoothing=3share=) So let's stop the flaming. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony B. AOL Mozilla Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog OK now Gilmore, that last sentence made my head spin. .more coffee, more coffee... On 2/4/2013 6:14 PM, John Gilmore wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Agreed. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Not that anybody likely cares, but I don't mind use of unusual words, so long as they are accurate. Would I use them? Perhaps so, perhaps no. If I am really trying to explain something to a newbie, or a non-native speaker, then I likely wouldn't. And I especially would not if a person is having a critical problem and is desperate for some help. But on a off-topic (and quite honestly basically irrelevant) thread like this, sure. I actually enjoy learning new words. Just like I like learning new computer languages, except maybe LISP grin/. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:24 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: All this has become tedious. I write as I think appropriate, and I shall continue to do so. Dumbing down what I post in deference to the sensibilites of the subliterate would be patronizing too. -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: deleted Stop being a d*ck! - Ted MacNEIL http://dontbeadickday.com/ -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t. --- mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 04:52:56 -0600 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: deleted Stop being a d*ck! - Ted MacNEIL http://dontbeadickday.com/ -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Love it Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Richard Pinion rpin...@netscape.com wrote: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t. --- mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 04:52:56 -0600 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: deleted Stop being a d*ck! - Ted MacNEIL http://dontbeadickday.com/ -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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That is: blind them with brilliance, in order to be alliterative. grin/ On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Richard Pinion rpin...@netscape.com wrote: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t. --- mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
When you see an English-language word in an IBM technical book that you do not understand, do you complain to IBM via the reader's comment form that IBM are [U.K.-speak] arrogant, pompous, pretentious, non-communicative, and obfuscatory, or do you try to find the definition of the word in the glossary at the end of the book, if there is one, in a dictionary, or via Google? How did you learn the meaning of all the words you do understand now when you were young if you scolded the person speaking to you for not using words you already understood? Perhaps you could give us a list of all the words you know and we posters can try to remember to use only those words. Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 7:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. Pretentious abounds. Communication's purpose is to communicate. NOT to obsfucate! If people don't understand you, it's not their fault. It's yours! Also, the purpose of any list serve to help. Not to play word games and confuse. You're well educated -- good for you! You're pompous and arrogant - - bad for you! Stop being a d*ck! - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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All this has become tedious. I write as I think appropriate, and I shall continue to do so. Dumbing down what I post in deference to the sensibilites of the subliterate would be patronizing too. As I have said before, those who do not wish to see what I write have a simple, effective remedy immediately at hand: They should put my email address on their kill lists. They will thus be quits of any obligation to ritual outrage because they have been requjired to look up or ignore a word like 'lituus', and I will be spared the tedium of reading through inane expressions of that outrage. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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OK now Gilmore, that last sentence made my head spin. .more coffee, more coffee... On 2/4/2013 6:14 PM, John Gilmore wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Not that anybody likely cares, but I don't mind use of unusual words, so long as they are accurate. Would I use them? Perhaps so, perhaps no. If I am really trying to explain something to a newbie, or a non-native speaker, then I likely wouldn't. And I especially would not if a person is having a critical problem and is desperate for some help. But on a off-topic (and quite honestly basically irrelevant) thread like this, sure. I actually enjoy learning new words. Just like I like learning new computer languages, except maybe LISP grin/. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:24 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: All this has become tedious. I write as I think appropriate, and I shall continue to do so. Dumbing down what I post in deference to the sensibilites of the subliterate would be patronizing too. -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:14:58 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. Sometimes one feels one needs to consult one's haruscope to divine John G.'s meaning. On a (very slightly) more serious note, Wikipedia, which is always right, mentions the application of lituus to ornithomancy, but not to areomancy. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:08:25 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: My experience with my children confirmed these notions. I never used a subset of my vocabulary in talking with them, and in the upshot they acquired my vocabulary early on. Truly a frightening thought. -- gil I wonder how often they where beat up in school... -- Regards, Silvio Camplani zSeries Sr. Analyst, Systems Support Bombardier -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I had the same thoughts, but decided posting them wasn't the best thing. This thread, which I started, goes to show how off topic things can get around here! -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Silvio Camplani sysp...@silvio.fastmail.fm wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:08:25 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: My experience with my children confirmed these notions. I never used a subset of my vocabulary in talking with them, and in the upshot they acquired my vocabulary early on. Truly a frightening thought. -- gil I wonder how often they where beat up in school... -- Regards, Silvio Camplani zSeries Sr. Analyst, Systems Support Bombardier -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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But, has admitted to deliberately clouding the issues and refuses to change his style. Why deliberately confuse when 'communicating'? . Professor: Anybody who expresses himself and cannot make themselves understood is an idiot! Do you understand? Voice from class: No sir! This is forum to help. Npt confuse. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 14:16:35 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog When you see an English-language word in an IBM technical book that you do not understand, do you complain to IBM via the reader's comment form that IBM are [U.K.-speak] arrogant, pompous, pretentious, non-communicative, and obfuscatory, or do you try to find the definition of the word in the glossary at the end of the book, if there is one, in a dictionary, or via Google? How did you learn the meaning of all the words you do understand now when you were young if you scolded the person speaking to you for not using words you already understood? Perhaps you could give us a list of all the words you know and we posters can try to remember to use only those words. Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 7:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. Pretentious abounds. Communication's purpose is to communicate. NOT to obsfucate! If people don't understand you, it's not their fault. It's yours! Also, the purpose of any list serve to help. Not to play word games and confuse. You're well educated -- good for you! You're pompous and arrogant - - bad for you! Stop being a d*ck! - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Eric, Yeah...agreed, but a they saw , the famous group they, everyone is entitled than opinion, whether its appropriate or not is a a different story ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 5, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: I had the same thoughts, but decided posting them wasn't the best thing. This thread, which I started, goes to show how off topic things can get around here! -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Silvio Camplani sysp...@silvio.fastmail.fm wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:08:25 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: My experience with my children confirmed these notions. I never used a subset of my vocabulary in talking with them, and in the upshot they acquired my vocabulary early on. Truly a frightening thought. -- gil I wonder how often they where beat up in school... -- Regards, Silvio Camplani zSeries Sr. Analyst, Systems Support Bombardier -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
In caex7sazt7s8kx+ya-inai4xmsesustzf03o36otox5zaweg...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/02/2013 at 10:20 PM, Len Rugen lenru...@gmail.com said: I've only worked from for a few days at a time, for heath or weather reasons. I think it should be ENCOURAGED when you think you are sick enough to be courageous but not too sick to work. I'd like for telecommuting to be mandatory for people with infectious[1] illnesses. My main issue with working from home is lack of multiple monitors. I'd rather have a single large monitor with lots of pixels. I currently have a dozen open windows on my monitor, and it's not that large. [1] Well, an STD shouldn't be an issue at the office, but certainly anything airborne. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
In a991022c-2455-4f66-be08-40f17e981...@comcast.net, on 02/02/2013 at 10:54 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said: I hate PDF's and BKS ... Especially when I am not sure exactly what I am looking for. With a real manual I can put a finger in the current location and go wondering about the manual and if needed I just go back to where my finger is. With proper formatting and proper viewing software there's no reason that you couldn't do everything with BM and PDF that you do with dead trees. It would be more productive to convince IBM to improve the tools rather than to push for restoring paper copies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The main problem is a way to mark up the BM or PDF versions so that you can share the marked up text. Depending on the software used, bookmarking may also be an issue. The Kindle reader can display PDF and you can also do bookmarking and mark up. But it is difficult to share those. Okular on Linux can also do bookmarking and marking on PDF files, but again they can't easily be shared. Well, perhaps if the PDF is on a shared, writable, disk (NFS or CIFS or sshfs even). On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In a991022c-2455-4f66-be08-40f17e981...@comcast.net, on 02/02/2013 at 10:54 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said: I hate PDF's and BKS ... Especially when I am not sure exactly what I am looking for. With a real manual I can put a finger in the current location and go wondering about the manual and if needed I just go back to where my finger is. With proper formatting and proper viewing software there's no reason that you couldn't do everything with BM and PDF that you do with dead trees. It would be more productive to convince IBM to improve the tools rather than to push for restoring paper copies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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John, I have the same problem with PDFs , unless you spring for some pretty expensive software to do that. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: The main problem is a way to mark up the BM or PDF versions so that you can share the marked up text. Depending on the software used, bookmarking may also be an issue. The Kindle reader can display PDF and you can also do bookmarking and mark up. But it is difficult to share those. Okular on Linux can also do bookmarking and marking on PDF files, but again they can't easily be shared. Well, perhaps if the PDF is on a shared, writable, disk (NFS or CIFS or sshfs even). On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In a991022c-2455-4f66-be08-40f17e981...@comcast.net, on 02/02/2013 at 10:54 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said: I hate PDF's and BKS ... Especially when I am not sure exactly what I am looking for. With a real manual I can put a finger in the current location and go wondering about the manual and if needed I just go back to where my finger is. With proper formatting and proper viewing software there's no reason that you couldn't do everything with BM and PDF that you do with dead trees. It would be more productive to convince IBM to improve the tools rather than to push for restoring paper copies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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IBM seems to do this quite a bit here in Chicago. They are encouraged even not to show up at the office. They *USED* to have a desk at 1 IBM PLAZA but not anymore (for the most part). I think IBM managed to screw up things when they did that. Of course now its difficult to even find an IBM person. 10 years ago I asked IBM sales rep a question and he asks me how much am I willing to pay for the answer. IOW everything is a consultant these day. IBM has Fked themselves up when they decided to do this. The people IBM hires to sell systems now days is the same thing. When asked a specific question on something that is not covered in the manuals its $$$ . Ed On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In caex7sazt7s8kx+ya-inai4xmsesustzf03o36otox5zaweg...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/02/2013 at 10:20 PM, Len Rugen lenru...@gmail.com said: I've only worked from for a few days at a time, for heath or weather reasons. I think it should be ENCOURAGED when you think you are sick enough to be courageous but not too sick to work. I'd like for telecommuting to be mandatory for people with infectious[1] illnesses. My main issue with working from home is lack of multiple monitors. I'd rather have a single large monitor with lots of pixels. I currently have a dozen open windows on my monitor, and it's not that large. [1] Well, an STD shouldn't be an issue at the office, but certainly anything airborne. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Shmuel: Proper formatting is not an answer. Many a times I have 6 or 8 manuals open on my desk at even given time while I am trying to find an answer to a question. I don't care how big a screen there is given my eye sight (or lake there of) can I find quickly a pdf or bks that I am looking for. I can remember where I put down a manual a lot faster than going through a screen(s). Now this maybe doable in 3D but I wouldn't bet on it. \ ED On Feb 4, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In a991022c-2455-4f66-be08-40f17e981...@comcast.net, on 02/02/2013 at 10:54 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said: I hate PDF's and BKS ... Especially when I am not sure exactly what I am looking for. With a real manual I can put a finger in the current location and go wondering about the manual and if needed I just go back to where my finger is. With proper formatting and proper viewing software there's no reason that you couldn't do everything with BM and PDF that you do with dead trees. It would be more productive to convince IBM to improve the tools rather than to push for restoring paper copies. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Many would say the means are as important as the ends. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Sam, you are at it again. Context is all. If the means are immoral, their effectiveness does not of course legitimate them. Thus Gibbon, in Chapter 28 of DFOTRE: At Minorca the relics of St. Stephen converted in eight days 540 Jews; with the help, indeed, of some wholesome severities, such as burning the synagogues, driving the obstinate infidels to starve among the rocks, . . . making it clear that, however desirable some might judge the conversion of the Jews to Christianity to be, this end did not justify these means. The question whether paper, PDF, or Book Manager versions of a document are examined does not have this character. I suggest that you try to learn to think things and not words. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. Pretentious abounds. Communication's purpose is to communicate. NOT to obsfucate! If people don't understand you, it's not their fault. It's yours! Also, the purpose of any list serve to help. Not to play word games and confuse. You're well educated -- good for you! You're pompous and arrogant - - bad for you! Stop being a d*ck! - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Sam, The journey is as important as the destination. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Many would say the means are as important as the ends. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Sam, The journey is as important as the destination. Completely agree on that. Some might even say that the journey is the destination. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Many would say the means are as important as the ends. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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This discussion is such a person opinion. Ran into the educated and non-educated,except for the education of life. My father was For example high school educated Could do anything, grewup only eating pancakes during the depression, served in the 8th Air Force, would give you the shirt off his back. Mechanical, electronic , could do it all with Unisysvalues to are real important. Can you read and apply ? Can you see outside your own ego ? There are a lot of brilliant people on here and I am honored to just talk to them Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:14 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path taken to reach them is not. Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Great quote! Great sentiment. Thanks, Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In Canada it has even become optional to retire. You are no longer forced to give all up at 65. Mind you it has become tougher on the younger (in any profession) since they can't advance while we old farts clog the pipeline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:20:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Ted, Do you have an equivalent of our Social Security ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: In Canada it has even become optional to retire. You are no longer forced to give all up at 65. Mind you it has become tougher on the younger (in any profession) since they can't advance while we old farts clog the pipeline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:20:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yes. And, you're eligible at 65, even if you're still working. One of our Prime Ministers (Jean Chretien) started collecting while he was still in office. He made around $185,000/annum and collected about a grand a month at the same time. It's called 'universal'. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:29:22 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Ted, Do you have an equivalent of our Social Security ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: In Canada it has even become optional to retire. You are no longer forced to give all up at 65. Mind you it has become tougher on the younger (in any profession) since they can't advance while we old farts clog the pipeline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:20:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Thats great at least there is something. Here they are pushing the retirement age to 70. That should be interesting. I know bunch of us, I am 62 that are working...my gf is 68 and working Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/  From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 4:34 PM Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Yes. And, you're eligible at 65, even if you're still working. One of our Prime Ministers (Jean Chretien) started collecting while he was still in office. He made around $185,000/annum and collected about a grand a month at the same time. It's called 'universal'. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From:    Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender:   IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date:    Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:29:22 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To:  IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Ted, Do you have an equivalent of our Social Security ? Scott ford http://www.identityforge.com/ Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: In Canada it has even become optional to retire. You are no longer forced to give all up at 65. Mind you it has become tougher on the younger (in any profession) since they can't advance while we old farts clog the pipeline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From:    Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender:   IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date:    Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:20:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To:  IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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They just changed the age of eligibility here to 67. I'm 56 this year and still qualified at 65. My sister is 11 months younger and missed. Unfortunately, I'm unemployed at the moment (prospects are dim), and retirement is not even on the horizon. Family Responsibility, separation, kids, etc.. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:53:49 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Thats great at least there is something. Here they are pushing the retirement age to 70. That should be interesting. I know bunch of us, I am 62 that are working...my gf is 68 and working Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/  From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 4:34 PM Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Yes. And, you're eligible at 65, even if you're still working. One of our Prime Ministers (Jean Chretien) started collecting while he was still in office. He made around $185,000/annum and collected about a grand a month at the same time. It's called 'universal'. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From:    Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender:   IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date:    Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:29:22 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To:  IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Ted, Do you have an equivalent of our Social Security ? Scott ford http://www.identityforge.com/ Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: In Canada it has even become optional to retire. You are no longer forced to give all up at 65. Mind you it has become tougher on the younger (in any profession) since they can't advance while we old farts clog the pipeline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From:    Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender:   IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date:    Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:20:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To:  IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive
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In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c291239b4612...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 02/01/2013 at 02:06 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: The biggest pains about working from home are the lack of a copier (yeah, I have an all-in-one, but it's not the same), and getting the oil changed in the car. I like the idea of a separate office where I can store work-related documents instead of having them take up space at home. That's why if I had a job a mile away from home I problem wouldn't be interested in telecommuting except on days with inclement weather. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I've only worked from for a few days at a time, for heath or weather reasons. I think it should be ENCOURAGED when you think you are sick enough to be courageous but not too sick to work. My main issue with working from home is lack of multiple monitors. If I was going to do it more often, I'd have to get another one. With multiple monitors, I almost never refer to documents :-) On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c291239b4612...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 02/01/2013 at 02:06 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: The biggest pains about working from home are the lack of a copier (yeah, I have an all-in-one, but it's not the same), and getting the oil changed in the car. I like the idea of a separate office where I can store work-related documents instead of having them take up space at home. That's why if I had a job a mile away from home I problem wouldn't be interested in telecommuting except on days with inclement weather. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Len Rugen wrote: ---SNIP-- My main issue with working from home is lack of multiple monitors. If I was going to do it more often, I'd have to get another one. With multiple monitors, I almost never refer to documents :-) I hate PDF's and BKS ... Especially when I am not sure exactly what I am looking for. With a real manual I can put a finger in the current location and go wondering about the manual and if needed I just go back to where my finger is. I could never do that with online manuals (I do this quite often). There are also times I need to look things up in the index and I don't have to care where I am as the up and down on a monitor are a pita as it is just not automatic if it were to always search from the top I could probably utilize online books. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 10C2666F4D474DBEA939AED5D6A337BE@ericnbPC, on 01/28/2013 at 09:26 AM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com said: I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my ob as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. I was about to say that you wouldn't be able to stay away and then I saw that 170 miles. Good look in your new endeavors. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In CAAJSdjhzSqu90cfR6tcdTZz=mN4nYE3nBXZhUqSe0URYZH6=y...@mail.gmail.com, on 01/28/2013 at 09:36 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: Many problems with actually getting the company to give me any money. I've only had that problem once, on a gig that I didn't want to take in the first place. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In of9e55884d.cac77e33-on87257b02.00821243-86257b02.0082c...@us.ibm.com, on 01/29/2013 at 05:48 PM, Steve Thompson sthomp...@us.ibm.com said: Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from home? I'm even more jealous of people who can walk to work. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 1 February 2013 13:44, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: on 01/29/2013 at 05:48 PM, Steve Thompson sthomp...@us.ibm.com said: Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from home? I'm even more jealous of people who can walk to work. I enjoy the great luxury of a 20-25 minute (1.3 miles/2.1 km) walk from home to office, which I do in all but the worst weather (and then it's a ten minute bus/subway trip). Of course my employer's office location is a happy accident, and that could change for any number of reasons. And I much prefer to walk to a real office than to have to have the self discipline to work at home without slipping into the rut of sitting around all day, not bothering to dress, flipping on the TV for just a moment to check on the news, making another coffee before getting down to work, etc. I've heard tales of people who get dressed, grab briefcase, go out the front door, and then back in another door with their office mindset ready. Of course here I am at the office posting to IBM-MAIN rather than cranking out code... Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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One of our sysprogs took the highest paying offer in Chicago and found a flat a few blocks from work. First winter storm put on his fedora and gloves and headed to work. Said about half-way there noticed he couldn't feel his hands or feet. Fortunately, there was a parking garage on the way and the manager said 'Man come in here you're freezing to death!' Gave him a cup of 'fortified' coffee and then a lift in the tow truck the last few blocks. Said he typed up a new resume that night. Took the first offer in California and has been there ever since(37 years). In a message dated 2/1/2013 3:03:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, t...@harminc.net writes: from home to office, which I do in all but the worst weather (and then it's a ten minute bus/subway trip). Of course my employer's office location is a happy accident, and that could change for any number of reasons. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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There's still room here. What's more, you can make the same trek in the dead of summer without expiring in heat and humidity. Y'all come on out! . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 02/01/2013 01:32 PM Subject:Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU One of our sysprogs took the highest paying offer in Chicago and found a flat a few blocks from work. First winter storm put on his fedora and gloves and headed to work. Said about half-way there noticed he couldn't feel his hands or feet. Fortunately, there was a parking garage on the way and the manager said 'Man come in here you're freezing to death!' Gave him a cup of 'fortified' coffee and then a lift in the tow truck the last few blocks. Said he typed up a new resume that night. Took the first offer in California and has been there ever since(37 years). In a message dated 2/1/2013 3:03:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, t...@harminc.net writes: from home to office, which I do in all but the worst weather (and then it's a ten minute bus/subway trip). Of course my employer's office location is a happy accident, and that could change for any number of reasons. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I tried it for eight years. Way too expensive! In a message dated 2/1/2013 3:50:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, jo.skip.robin...@sce.com writes: There's still room here -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Tony Harminc wrote: I enjoy the great luxury of a 20-25 minute (1.3 miles/2.1 km) walk from home to office, which I do in all but the worst weather (and then it's a ten minute bus/subway trip). Of course my employer's office location is a happy accident, and that could change for any number of reasons. And I much prefer to walk to a real office than to have to have the self discipline to work at home without slipping into the rut of sitting around all day, not bothering to dress, flipping on the TV for just a moment to check on the news, making another coffee before getting down to work, etc. I've heard tales of people who get dressed, grab briefcase, go out the front door, and then back in another door with their office mindset ready. My $0.02: I've been working from home for the last 10.5 years; Voltage is the third company for whom I've done so during that period. Going in, I had those same concerns about self-discipline, but at least for me the opposite is the issue, if anything: I tend to check work mail well into the evening. Of course, the companies have all been in the San Francisco Bay area, and I live in Virginia, so they're three hours behind me, which encourages me to be on later. My wife tries to take my phone away occasionally in the evenings, which at least makes me leave it alone for a while (and I got scolded gently by my boss for replying to work mail while in recovery after surgery :)), but it mostly works. I don't *feel* like either (a) I have trouble getting things done or (b) I can't get away from it: I just do what I want (modulo meetings etc.). If I decide to run to the store mid-day and then get the car washed and maybe hit several other stores, well, I just do it. When I have, say, a doctor's appointment that runs far longer than expected, I do get antsy to get back to work, but I think that's me (and the fact that I'm very lucky in that I like my job!): the company sure isn't sending notes saying WHERE ARE YOU?!?!. I occasionally miss some of the in-office face-to-face interaction, but I live on IM and email and concalls, and I visit customer sites about once a month, so I get external contact there. When I visit HQ (every 2-3 months), I've learned to make it a flying raid of usually 1.5 days: any longer and I'm wasting time. I get my meetings lined up before I go, and while I'm there, I'm working nonstop, but I get a lot done. I don't stand around the water cooler, but that was never my thing anyway. The biggest pains about working from home are the lack of a copier (yeah, I have an all-in-one, but it's not the same), and getting the oil changed in the car. I used to drop it near work of a morning, hitch a ride with a buddy, pick it up at lunch or after work. Now I have to go sit with it! But most places have WiFi, and I can also connect through my phone, so it's not as painful as it was a decade ago. And of course I don't get snow days. OTOH, my idea of a slow commute is when I leave the laundry basket in the hall and trip over it. And I do find that when I buy my monthly tank of gas, I'm always shocked at the price. But I never seem to get much sympathy for that! Obviously YMMV... -- ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Seymour: I had a friend who was about 4 blocks from work (maybe less). He was always being called in at night and ended up with no social life. On the other extreme I had a job and I was called in in the AM and they refused to pay for parking etc. I just told them that never call me in again. Ed On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In OF9E55884D.CAC77E33- on87257b02.00821243-86257b02.0082c...@us.ibm.com, on 01/29/2013 at 05:48 PM, Steve Thompson sthomp...@us.ibm.com said: Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from home? I'm even more jealous of people who can walk to work. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Back in those days you could actually find a job after sending out a few resumes. Now you can send out lots of resumes and not hear a thing. In 1980, I talked to a headhunter. I had only 2 years experience, but after interviews with 3 companies, I had a new job. Now, at least in Milwaukee, you can go a whole year and there are no sysprog openings. Of course back then, I think there were around 30 companies running MVS. Now, maybe 6 or 8. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer - Original Message - From: Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com Said he typed up a new resume that night. Took the first offer in California and has been there ever since(37 years). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Eric: I heard that they are hiring a LOT of sysprogs (no details) in an area that is about 25 minutes south of the WI/IL state line (30 minutes North of Chicago(not North Chicago)) in case its closer. Ed On Feb 1, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Back in those days you could actually find a job after sending out a few resumes. Now you can send out lots of resumes and not hear a thing. In 1980, I talked to a headhunter. I had only 2 years experience, but after interviews with 3 companies, I had a new job. Now, at least in Milwaukee, you can go a whole year and there are no sysprog openings. Of course back then, I think there were around 30 companies running MVS. Now, maybe 6 or 8. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer - Original Message - From: Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com Said he typed up a new resume that night. Took the first offer in California and has been there ever since(37 years). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hah! When I worked in Minneapolis I always felt sorry for the people in Chicago. Now I'm living in the hinterlands and loving every minute of it. Our rush hour lasts all of 10 minutes and my office is a 15 minute jog from the National Forest boundary. It doesn't get much better than that. -- Donald Grinsell State of Montana 406-444-2983 dgrins...@mt.gov The limits of my language are the limits of my world. ~ Ludwig Wittgenstein -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Friday, 01 February 2013 14:33 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog One of our sysprogs took the highest paying offer in Chicago and found a flat a few blocks from work. First winter storm put on his fedora and gloves and headed to work. Said about half-way there noticed he couldn't feel his hands or feet. Fortunately, there was a parking garage on the way and the manager said 'Man come in here you're freezing to death!' Gave him a cup of 'fortified' coffee and then a lift in the tow truck the last few blocks. Said he typed up a new resume that night. Took the first offer in California and has been there ever since(37 years). In a message dated 2/1/2013 3:03:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, t...@harminc.net writes: from home to office, which I do in all but the worst weather (and then it's a ten minute bus/subway trip). Of course my employer's office location is a happy accident, and that could change for any number of reasons. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2/1/2013 4:15 PM, Grinsell, Don wrote: Hah! When I worked in Minneapolis I always felt sorry for the people in Chicago. Now I'm living in the hinterlands and loving every minute of it. Our rush hour lasts all of 10 minutes and my office is a 15 minute jog from the National Forest boundary. It doesn't get much better than that. -- Donald Grinsell State of Montana 406-444-2983 dgrins...@mt.gov The limits of my language are the limits of my world. ~ Ludwig Wittgenstein Eye of the beholder. Denver is great; I love living here. On the other hand, Chicago is where I grew up and I still love the city. Living in the hinterlands would drive me nuts. (OK, it is Friday.) -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Eric, Very nice. You will like this, my internist plays keyboards and when I go in we talk about great guitarists during the exam. Music is a wonderful think my grandmother sang for the burlesques threater..when he was young Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: I've always been amazed when I go to meetings at how many people play music instruments. When I worked for PH Mining, I often went to meetings in Chicago. At lunch, I'd mention that I played guitar. I remember a table of about 10. I think 6 played instruments, 2 of them in bands. I haven't played in a band since before I got married, but I love playing in jams. Since I've been in Dubuque, I've played on several Mississippi riverboat cruises, and once or twice on the square outside our building. They have live music every Friday during the summer at noon. When I play by myself, I play old guitar instrumentals backed by midi music. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer - Original Message - From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Eric, Enjoy you retirement. Playing blues sounds good o me, it's amazing how many Sysprogs I have known, and ave known a bunch are creative Scott ford www.identityforge.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Eric, color me green with envy. Good luck and best wishes in your new adventures. Steve On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:26:48 -0600, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Very nice. You will like this, my internist plays keyboards and when I go in we talk about great guitarists during the exam. Music is a wonderful thing my grandmother sang for the burlesques threater..when she was young Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 29, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Eric, Very nice. You will like this, my internist plays keyboards and when I go in we talk about great guitarists during the exam. Music is a wonderful think my grandmother sang for the burlesques threater..when he was young Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: I've always been amazed when I go to meetings at how many people play music instruments. When I worked for PH Mining, I often went to meetings in Chicago. At lunch, I'd mention that I played guitar. I remember a table of about 10. I think 6 played instruments, 2 of them in bands. I haven't played in a band since before I got married, but I love playing in jams. Since I've been in Dubuque, I've played on several Mississippi riverboat cruises, and once or twice on the square outside our building. They have live music every Friday during the summer at noon. When I play by myself, I play old guitar instrumentals backed by midi music. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer - Original Message - From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Eric, Enjoy you retirement. Playing blues sounds good o me, it's amazing how many Sysprogs I have known, and ave known a bunch are creative Scott ford www.identityforge.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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May the road rise up to meet you, May the wind be always at your back, May the sun shine warm upon your face, And the rains fail soft upon your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the palm of his hand. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU wrote on 01/28/2013 10:26:48 AM: From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 01/28/2013 10:27 AM Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I understand that if you are a contractor to a body shop, the body shop is often not paid for 45 days (I hear IBM is one of the culprits here), then the body shop won't pay it's people for another 45 days. 90 days before the worker gets paid is not anywhere near fair, but they got you. In the day, state governments, especially the legislature, tended to be slow pay. If you had done service work, collection was a challenge. If you sold them software, you had some leverage. - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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If the road rised up to meet me, wouldn't I just be a splat on the road then! Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer - Original Message - From: Kirk Talman rkueb...@tsys.com May the road rise up to meet you, May the wind be always at your back, -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Kirk, In started working from home in 2006 , after the death of my wife and having two kids to raise. The only downside is the need for other people to talk to.. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Kirk Talman rkueb...@tsys.com wrote: I understand that if you are a contractor to a body shop, the body shop is often not paid for 45 days (I hear IBM is one of the culprits here), then the body shop won't pay it's people for another 45 days. 90 days before the worker gets paid is not anywhere near fair, but they got you. In the day, state governments, especially the legislature, tended to be slow pay. If you had done service work, collection was a challenge. If you sold them software, you had some leverage. - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from home? Scott On 01/29/2013 05:05 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Kirk, In started working from home in 2006 , after the death of my wife and having two kids to raise. The only downside is the need for other people to talk to.. Scott ford www.identityforge.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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From: scott svet...@ameritech.net Date: 01/29/2013 05:35 PM Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from home? Scott SNIPPAGE Well, Sterling Commerce did, depending on circumstances (now part of IBM). Depending on your function, IBM does (I'm working from home today). I think BMC does. When I was doing contract/consulting work, I had clients that actually liked the fact that I was set up to work from my own offices and not on their site (not all can handle that). But as was said -- sometimes you need someone to talk to. I've found a bug in conditional assembly that I'd been chasing for a while, in the first two sentences of explanation to a co-worker. The conversation abruptly ended with, Uh, thanks I just found it. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hi, You might be surprised how many companies allow or even encourage this. I work 1 day/week from home. It's partly a response to the bird flu from a few years ago, and partly to prove that we have the infrastructure to support hundreds/thousands of remote connections to work. I enjoy it, but it does take a bit of discipline. I'm just very thankful that I have a job where this is possible. How do you dig a ditch remotely? Thanks! BobL -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of scott Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog [ External ] Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from home? Scott On 01/29/2013 05:05 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Kirk, In started working from home in 2006 , after the death of my wife and having two kids to raise. The only downside is the need for other people to talk to.. Scott ford www.identityforge.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 29 January 2013 19:08, Lester, Bob bles...@oppenheimerfunds.com wrote: I work 1 day/week from home. It's partly a response to the bird flu from a few years ago, and partly to prove that we have the infrastructure to support hundreds/thousands of remote connections to work. I enjoy it, but it does take a bit of discipline. I'm just very thankful that I have a job where this is possible. How do you dig a ditch remotely? But by the same token, your work can be offshored, whereas the ditch digger's can't. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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All the very best to you and your family Eric! ALH -Original Message- From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:26 am Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'm jealous. Wish I could retire. Thankfully, I only live 15.4 miles from work. Most likely, this will be my last job. When they let me go, I will likely be unemployable due to age and health. My boss says that I might be able to get contract work, as needed, as a sysprog. I did that for about a year when I was only about 40. I did not like it at all. Many problems with actually getting the company to give me any money. I had to walk of the job in the middle of a project, owned over a month's wages, before they paid me. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Aled Hughes aledlhug...@aol.com wrote: All the very best to you and your family Eric! ALH -Original Message- From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:26 am Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Best of luck to you, Eric. I wonder, would you have stayed on, if your employer allowed you to telecommute? I promise not to rant about it. Really. Cheers,,,Steve Steven F. Conway, CISSP LA Systems z/OS Systems Support Phone: 703.295.1926 steve_con...@ao.uscourts.gov From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 01/28/2013 10:27 AM Subject:My Last Days as a Sysprog Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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It's funny, because most people can't work from home, but if they really want you, you can. It's more of I can't do this anymore. It takes me longer to do things, and many things I just can't figure out anymore. Eric Bielefeld Dubuque, Iowa 414-477-7259 - Original Message - From: Steve Conway steve_con...@ao.uscourts.gov Best of luck to you, Eric. I wonder, would you have stayed on, if your employer allowed you to telecommute? I promise not to rant about it. Really. Cheers,,,Steve Steven F. Conway, CISSP LA Systems z/OS Systems Support Phone: 703.295.1926 steve_con...@ao.uscourts.gov From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Wish you the best, it's been a pleasure... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Eric, Wish you the best. If you find that 6 months or a year after leaving that you miss all the stimulating topics on IBM-Main.. we'd love to have you back. Rob Schramm Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote: Wish you the best, it's been a pleasure... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 1/28/2013 8:36 AM, John McKown wrote: I'm jealous. Wish I could retire. Thankfully, I only live 15.4 miles from work. Most likely, this will be my last job. When they let me go, I will likely be unemployable due to age and health. My boss says that I might be able to get contract work, as needed, as a sysprog. I did that for about a year when I was only about 40. I did not like it at all. Many problems with actually getting the company to give me any money. I had to walk of the job in the middle of a project, owned over a month's wages, before they paid me. I understand that if you are a contractor to a body shop, the body shop is often not paid for 45 days (I hear IBM is one of the culprits here), then the body shop won't pay it's people for another 45 days. 90 days before the worker gets paid is not anywhere near fair, but they got you. Fortunately (knock on wood), I have _never_ been stiffed. But I have had to wait as long as 120 days (accounting and paperwork snafu's on their end, so they say). But lately companies have been paying reasonably quickly. My favorite clients even pay in advance(!). On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Aled Hughes aledlhug...@aol.com wrote: All the very best to you and your family Eric! ALH -Original Message- From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:26 am Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Eric, Our loss, Milwaukee's gain! Over the years, I have enjoyed your contributions to IBM-Main and hope that you lurk for a little while. With a little luck, you'll find a thread you'll enjoy following. Enjoy your retirement. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I understand that if you are a contractor to a body shop, the body shop is often not paid for 45 days (I hear IBM is one of the culprits here), then the body shop won't pay it's people for another 45 days. 90 days before the worker gets paid is not anywhere near fair, but they got you. Like many things in life, it all depends, on: (1) The Contract Agency, (2) How valuable your services are to the client, (3) What State you are working in, and (4) Whether you are on a 1099 or W2 contract. If you are on a W2 contract and you don't get paid in a timely fashion, in many states you can get the State Labor Dept to pursue the agency. If you are on 1099 terms, get a lawyer. If you are smart, you will ensure that your contract has language to make it crystal clear when you get paid and what recourse you have if they are late. Like being able to offer your services directly to the client, terminating your relationship with the agency middleman. Sometimes just the threat of informing the client is enough to get the agency to pay up. Especially true if the client would be in a bind without your services. Since my layoff from my fulltime job in 2008 I have had two contracts. The first was for a NJ body shop. Terms were Net30 on a W2 contract, which in NJ is illegal, but at least during the term of the project I at least got paid more or less on time. But once the project was cancelled, it took the involvement of the NJ Labor Dept and nearly nine months of pressure to get the last two months paid. For the past three years, I have been on a 1099 contract with a local staffing agency here in Des Moines. Terms are Net45, but each and every paycheck has been there when promised. Eric, best of luck in the future. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Steve - I worked for 1.5 years over a 3.5 years period at 3 different contract jobs. I always got paid just like any other job. Of course, I didn't work for IBM at any of those jobs. John - When I'm in Dubuque, I walk to work - 4 blocks. I like that. There are a lot of people, including my boss, that walk to work. Dubuque has about 60,000 people, and there is a lot of housing within a mile or so of work. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer - Original Message - From: Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com On 1/28/2013 8:36 AM, John McKown wrote: I'm jealous. Wish I could retire. Thankfully, I only live 15.4 miles from work. . I understand that if you are a contractor to a body shop, the body shop is often not paid for 45 days (I hear IBM is one of the culprits here), then the body shop won't pay it's people for another 45 days. 90 days before the worker gets paid is not anywhere near fair, but they got you. Fortunately (knock on wood), I have _never_ been stiffed. But I have had to wait as long as 120 days (accounting and paperwork snafu's on their end, so they say). But lately companies have been paying reasonably quickly. My favorite clients even pay in advance(!). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Eric, Enjoy you retirement. Playing blues sounds good o me, it's amazing how many Sysprogs I have known, and ave known a bunch are creative Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 28, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: On 1/28/2013 8:36 AM, John McKown wrote: I'm jealous. Wish I could retire. Thankfully, I only live 15.4 miles from work. Most likely, this will be my last job. When they let me go, I will likely be unemployable due to age and health. My boss says that I might be able to get contract work, as needed, as a sysprog. I did that for about a year when I was only about 40. I did not like it at all. Many problems with actually getting the company to give me any money. I had to walk of the job in the middle of a project, owned over a month's wages, before they paid me. I understand that if you are a contractor to a body shop, the body shop is often not paid for 45 days (I hear IBM is one of the culprits here), then the body shop won't pay it's people for another 45 days. 90 days before the worker gets paid is not anywhere near fair, but they got you. Fortunately (knock on wood), I have _never_ been stiffed. But I have had to wait as long as 120 days (accounting and paperwork snafu's on their end, so they say). But lately companies have been paying reasonably quickly. My favorite clients even pay in advance(!). On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Aled Hughes aledlhug...@aol.com wrote: All the very best to you and your family Eric! ALH -Original Message- From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:26 am Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Eric, I consulted for a lot of years, I sincerely wish you all best in you retirement. Btw I love music too, don't play, my daughter does. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 28, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one on Tuesday and one on Wednesday. That's something I really miss now. Tomorrow I'm looking forward to playing. Usually you play about 1/2 hour. There's a lot of people I know there also, so it'll be fun catching up. I think the last time I played in the jam was last summer. I play guitar. I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. I suspect a few weeks after I'm done at work, I'll set my account to nomail. I've learned a lot from many of you. It's also really good to be able to get answers and different opinions when yu have questions. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Eric Bielefeld wrote: I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older. All of the very best for you an your family. Please enjoy your well deserved retirement. I will certainly miss your contributions here. Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun. 273 kilometers is certainly not fun. Even if you have the highway for yourself and your company pays for the fuel. This is about 2 and half hours (avg speed 120 km/h) driving just one way. I play guitar. No stings attached? ;-D I'm not sure if I'll stay subscribed to IBM-Main. Please stay! Do Not Go Away! ;-) I will miss you... :-/ Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
