Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 09/03/2013 at 05:01 PM, Eric Bielefeld said: >The 2 1410's actually shared a 1310 (I think) disk drive. 1301 or 1302. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-04 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 01:41:14 -0700, Roger Steyn wrote: >In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape sorting . Hence it >becomes necessary that i have to identify all the jobs which are currently >using this feature and have them converted before going further Have you considered changin

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Joseph Poon
http://gsf-soft.com/Products/PDSEDIT.html The above link might help Joe. > Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 01:41:14 -0700 > From: roger.st...@yahoo.com > Subject: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Greetings , > > We

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:04:10 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: >Back 40 years ago we sorted the name & address file everyweek and >IIRC that was 40M records. Yes we used tape sort. It ran standalone >(except for the onlines) they finally broke it down to several sorts >and a merge as we didn't have tape/disk

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Charles Mills
3, 2013 4:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! The current Syncsort mainframe sorting product is MFX 1.4. The shift of the product name from SyncSort to MFX happened while I wa

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Ted MacNEIL
frame Discussion List Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Yes . That would work fine in the case of scheduled jobs . But in our shop,there is one more challenge that we have a lot of Auto-sched jobs (jobs that are trigerred externally from an MQ server ).  An

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Joel C. Ewing
opher Y." > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 4:37 AM > Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! > > > The current Syncsort mainframe sorting product is MFX 1.4. > > The shift of the product name f

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Roger Steyn
Yes...I was referring to MFX 1.4 ... From: "Blaicher, Christopher Y." To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 4:37 AM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! The current Syncsort ma

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
-8260 | M: 512-627-3803 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Campbell Jay
Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Unless you are really out of the ordinary, I would expect the use of SORTWKnn on tape to be rare. AFAIK, It's purpose was

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Eric Bielefeld
PDS 8.6 was the tool I used, but it was one of the special programs you had to compile and add to it for added function. I can't remember if the 2nd parameter had to be on the same line, or if it actually had logic to figure out if it was on the same DD card. Going back a few weeks, I remembe

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Clark Morris
On 3 Sep 2013 06:21:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >W dniu 2013-09-03 14:17, Russell Witt pisze: >> Roger, >> >> In addition to reviewing your SMF14/15 records; you might also check what >> information might be available from your Tape Management System. Many record >> creating-

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Joel C. Ewing
hem use tape sorting . This makes the task more difficult . > > > From: Paul Gilmartin > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:15 PM > Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! > > > On Tue, 3 Se

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Ed Gould
e Discussion List [mailto:IBM- m...@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! I hope there's still some sort of centralised control and/or li

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Roger Steyn
. From: Paul Gilmartin To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:34:26 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: > >Can't you use a progra

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:34:26 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: > >Can't you use a program that will read the members of a pds and search for >UNIT=TAPE on SORTWKnn DD statements? You should be able to search all of >your production libraries fairly quickly to identify all of the jobs. >Hopefully you h

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Gibney, Dave
.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! I hope there's still some sort of centralised control and/or library. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Roger Steyn Sender: IBM Mainfr

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Eric Bielefeld
it.listserv.ibm-main To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:41 AM Subject: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Greetings , We are currently using syncsort 1.3.2 and would like to upgrade it to new version 1.4 . In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape so

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-09-03 14:17, Russell Witt pisze: Roger, In addition to reviewing your SMF14/15 records; you might also check what information might be available from your Tape Management System. Many record creating-program; and even better would be creating-DDNAME. I would do a test using TAPE

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Russell Witt
Roger, In addition to reviewing your SMF14/15 records; you might also check what information might be available from your Tape Management System. Many record creating-program; and even better would be creating-DDNAME. I would do a test using TAPE as your SORTWK01; find the records created in y

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:46:13 +0100, Martin Packer wrote: >Doesn't SMF 14 / 15 help you here? Probably 15 as it's SORTWK etc. The >problem will be identifying the actual sort work DD statement names. Maybe >30 can also do it - assuming it marks a DD as tape. > And assuming that the job in question

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Roger Steyn
rds, Roger From: Martin Packer To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! I think it's tape sort WORK data sets that aren't supported - judging by others' contrib

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Yifat Oren
ilto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 12:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! The problem of using SMF14/15 could be to determine the real DDnames used for t

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Martin Packer
bm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Ravi Gaur To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Ravi Gaur
Roger, What you mean by it's not supported? could you please extend on it... We running with syncsort 1.4.1 version and tried below simple JCL to sort where input and output both dataset are tape and it worked ok... //SHOWDEF EXEC PGM=ICETOOL,REGION=0M //TOOLMSG DD

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
bject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Hi, As far as I know, Syncsort SMF does not have an indicator for tape sort. But, it does have a section for each SORTWORK allocated, that includes a device type, unit address and volser. That may help, but you may need to

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Yifat Oren
03, 2013 11:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! That's true - but they're different. Not knowing them well enough I can't say but there might be an indicator that says "tape sort work" in them. B

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Martin Packer
From: "Vernooij, CP - SPLXM" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 09/03/2013 09:49 AM Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Does Syncsort write its own SMF records, like DFsort, from which you

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Doesn't SMF 14 / 15 help you here? Probably 15 as it's SORTWK etc. The problem will be identifying the actual sort work DD statement names. Maybe 30 can also do it - assuming it marks a DD a

Re: Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Martin Packer
Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help ! Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Greetings , We are currently using syncsort 1.3.2 and would like to upgrade it to new version 1.4 . In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape sorting . Hence it becomes n

Syncsort v1.4 doesn't support Tape sorting - Need help !

2013-09-03 Thread Roger Steyn
Greetings ,   We are currently using syncsort 1.3.2 and would like to upgrade it to new version 1.4 . In the new release v1.4 , it no longer supports tape sorting . Hence it becomes necessary that i have to identify all the jobs which are currently using this feature and have them converted bef