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My bad. Errant zero.
On 05/07/2013, at 6:39 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
z/OS 2.10? In 2023? I haven't even seen the announcement for z/OS 2.02.
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:06 AM, David
At 01:08 -0500 on 07/06/2013, Michael G Phillips wrote about Re: What
programmer's fear (not IBM specific):
I guess I got to table a little late... but my worst fear is the
Ready, Shot, Aim demands from project managers that don't seem to
have a clue about investigating all the issues
I guess I got to table a little late... but my worst fear is the Ready, Shot,
Aim demands from project managers that don't seem to have a clue about
investigating all the issues of a project!
As for tools, my bag includes BAL, COBOL, masm, Perl, bash and ksh. Maybe not
it's full as others but
On 5 July 2013 03:06, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/07/2013 2:56 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
If that's true in Another World I wonder what it'd take to make it true in
THIS one.
For a start somebody to port OOREXX to z/OS.
That's not going to happen until somebody first ports
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z/OS 2.10? In 2023? I haven't even seen the announcement for z/OS 2.02.
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:06 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/07/2013 2:56 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
If that's true in Another World I wonder what it'd take to make it true in
THIS one.
For a start
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at 07:56 AM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com said:
If that's true in Another World I wonder what it'd take to make it
true in THIS one.
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In 51d6708d.9070...@gmail.com, on 07/05/2013
at 03:06 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
That's not going to happen until at least z/OS 2.10
ITYM z/OS 2.1; 2.10 would be a long wait.
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Mark IV had a ruler too...
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Anthony Babonas tonybabo...@icloud.com wrote:
Rising to the defense of RPG, what other language had its own ruler? Talk
about ease of coding! Ah the nostalgia.sigh.
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On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:50 PM, John
David Crayford wrote:
Perl is definately ugly. It has a very large and cryptic grammar which makes
it difficult to learn. I find it unpleasant to
program in but I also dislike most shell scripting languages. The best thing
about perl is the command line hacks.
This is why I always say I have
Wow! Never heard of the language but I'm envious.
On 7/4/2013 5:59 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
Mark IV had a ruler too...
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Anthony Babonas tonybabo...@icloud.com wrote:
Rising to the defense of RPG, what other language had its own ruler? Talk about
ease of
Working most of these..RPG was a bit of challenge ..easytrieve wasn't too , but
I have In SAS..now MarkIV, haven't heard of that one. I also learned Assembler,
Cobol and the PL/1 ...like several of the guys I liked PL/1 ...
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through
In article b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c291239e0fad...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com
you write:
In an alternate universe, Rexx had the equivalent of CPAN created by the
community, and we all use it instead...and are much happier.
Hi Phil,
I have been following this thread wondering if someone would
In article 20130704194045.f3e3824...@panix5.panix.com you write:
In article
b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c291239e0fad...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com you
write:
In an alternate universe, Rexx had the equivalent of CPAN created by the
community, and we all use it instead...and are much happier.
Hi Phil,
In
b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c291239e0fad...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com,
on 07/04/2013
at 05:54 AM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said:
In an alternate universe, Rexx had the equivalent of CPAN created by
the community, and we all use it instead...and are much happier.
In an alternate universe
http://www.itworld.com/it-management/363424/only-thing-programmers-have-fear-all-these-things
I say yes to most. #4 is being forced to learn or use some specific
technology (one person said COBOL grin/). I still like to learn new
technology. But I hate being _forced_ to use it when I think it is
Being forced to use inappropriate technology is very disagreeable, but
it is hard to judge the appropriateness of a technology until one has
mastered at least some part of it.
My own guess is that few of us know too much, I spent part of
yesterday with a sysprog who has been doing what he does
I guess that might be covered under hurting the user. I don't write
APF code, so I don't think that I can create a security hole. I don't
do RACF or other ESM type calls. I assume that RACF has been set up
properly and all I do is normal non-APF type work. I used to write
some z/OS or product
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on 07/03/2013
at 07:10 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
http://www.itworld.com/it-management/363424/only-thing-programmers-have-fear-all-these-things
I say yes to most. #4 is being forced to learn or use
I've not run across many languages that I considered ugly. RPG II was
one. EasyTrieve Plus is not ugly, but I don't much like it. The newest
IBM COBOL is rather nice, albeit still wordy. The first COBOL that I
learned: ANSI COBOL back in the 1970s made me puke, after learning PL/I of
the same era.
On 4/07/2013 9:59 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In
CAAJSdjg1jRs6DrNV7xzAftEoGcojyeGf=fvwkbdh_idvozp...@mail.gmail.com,
on 07/03/2013
at 07:10 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
Rising to the defense of RPG, what other language had its own ruler? Talk about
ease of coding! Ah the nostalgia.sigh.
Sent from Tony's iPhone.
On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:50 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
I've not run across many languages that I considered ugly. RPG II
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