Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
I remember having maintain a PICK system w back https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_operating_system On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 09:20, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > Thank you, always open to history lessons > Didn't mean to attempt to give an actual explanation as such.. was just > thinking of it in a comical sense, that's all. > > – Vignesh > Mainframe Infrastructure > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Arthur Fichtl > Sent: 27 January 2019 13:11 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz > > BS = bull $hit > > Meaning,.. one is talking meaningless, foolish, s#it. So either BS or > horse s#it. > > Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical > marketing department where their product is so useless, but they proudly > sell it, by naming it BS2000. > > They call the new and improved version BS3000. > > It's like how the wall street laughs at the rest of the world when they > name things CDOs, etc. > > Sure, CDO has a normal meaning but I'm sure some guy in a suit somewhere > knows its *real* expanded name (inside joke). > > – Vignesh > > Mainframe Infrastructure > > Vignesh, that’s not correct. > > As I worked (in an earlier life) both with BS2000 and BS3000 I could > enlight you: > > Beginning 1966 Siemens/Germany started with manufacturing Computers whose > design was developed by RCA (USA). It was named BS1000 and was similar to > the IBM/360 (but not identical). > > When IBM started selling the /370 machines which where equipped with a > virtual memory hardware architecture and ran the successor Operating System > named OS/VS, Siemens began to produce its own Hardware and developed an OS > called BS2000, as well equipped with virtual memory. > > Regarding the /370 you might want to have a look to this article: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/370 > > BS3000 was marketed by Siemens (its original name was FACOM and the > manufacturer was Fujitsu). It had no relations to BS2000. > > It was sort of Clone of MVS and IBM sued Fujitsu for copyright > infringement; there were rumors that IBM demanded (and received) 1 billion > US$ from Fujitsu which implied also that the Japanese company was allowed > to sell their machines in the domestic market. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > MARKSANDSPENCER.COM > > Unless otherwise stated above: > Marks and Spencer plc > Registered Office: > Waterside House > 35 North Wharf Road > London > W2 1NW > > Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. > > Telephone (020) 7935 4422 > Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 > > www.marksandspencer.com > > Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. > > This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us > know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or > distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as > this is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Hi Arthur, Thank you, always open to history lessons Didn't mean to attempt to give an actual explanation as such.. was just thinking of it in a comical sense, that's all. – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Arthur Fichtl Sent: 27 January 2019 13:11 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz BS = bull $hit Meaning,.. one is talking meaningless, foolish, s#it. So either BS or horse s#it. Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical marketing department where their product is so useless, but they proudly sell it, by naming it BS2000. They call the new and improved version BS3000. It's like how the wall street laughs at the rest of the world when they name things CDOs, etc. Sure, CDO has a normal meaning but I'm sure some guy in a suit somewhere knows its *real* expanded name (inside joke). – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure Vignesh, that’s not correct. As I worked (in an earlier life) both with BS2000 and BS3000 I could enlight you: Beginning 1966 Siemens/Germany started with manufacturing Computers whose design was developed by RCA (USA). It was named BS1000 and was similar to the IBM/360 (but not identical). When IBM started selling the /370 machines which where equipped with a virtual memory hardware architecture and ran the successor Operating System named OS/VS, Siemens began to produce its own Hardware and developed an OS called BS2000, as well equipped with virtual memory. Regarding the /370 you might want to have a look to this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/370 BS3000 was marketed by Siemens (its original name was FACOM and the manufacturer was Fujitsu). It had no relations to BS2000. It was sort of Clone of MVS and IBM sued Fujitsu for copyright infringement; there were rumors that IBM demanded (and received) 1 billion US$ from Fujitsu which implied also that the Japanese company was allowed to sell their machines in the domestic market. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Red Hat (was Re: how many OSes run on IBMz)
On 1/25/2019 2:39 PM, Gord Tomlin wrote: It will be a great opportunity for IBM to show whether it genuinely supports the open source community. If you have any doubt on /that /score, you should check out IBM i and IBM Q. Of all the Great Beasts on the Block, IBM has over the decades played the most fairly with the open source community, period. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 21:23:32 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >For the same reason that Nova (No va) is funny in Hispanic countries; BS has a >colloquial meaning in the US. > That's disputed: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chevrolet-nova-name-spanish/ -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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For the same reason that Nova (No va) is funny in Hispanic countries; BS has a colloquial meaning in the US. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Arthur Fichtl Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 3:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Am 27.01.2019 um 06:00 schrieb IBM-MAIN automatic digest system: > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz OK, Enlight me, what is BS? Why it's funny? It is Germish and means "Betriebssystem" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 11:44:54 +, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: > >Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical marketing >department where their product is so useless, but they proudly sell it, by >naming it BS2000. >They call the new and improved version BS3000. > >It's like how the wall street laughs at the rest of the world when they name >things CDOs, etc. >Sure, CDO has a normal meaning but I'm sure some guy in a suit somewhere knows >its *real* expanded name (inside joke). > Well, the Urban Dictionary entry for CDO links me to "Bear Stearned", clearly more BS. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
BS = bull $hit Meaning,.. one is talking meaningless, foolish, s#it. So either BS or horse s#it. Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical marketing department where their product is so useless, but they proudly sell it, by naming it BS2000. They call the new and improved version BS3000. It's like how the wall street laughs at the rest of the world when they name things CDOs, etc. Sure, CDO has a normal meaning but I'm sure some guy in a suit somewhere knows its *real* expanded name (inside joke). – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure Vignesh, that’s not correct. As I worked (in an earlier life) both with BS2000 and BS3000 I could enlight you: Beginning 1966 Siemens/Germany started with manufacturing Computers whose design was developed by RCA (USA). It was named BS1000 and was similar to the IBM/360 (but not identical). When IBM started selling the /370 machines which where equipped with a virtual memory hardware architecture and ran the successor Operating System named OS/VS, Siemens began to produce its own Hardware and developed an OS called BS2000, as well equipped with virtual memory. Regarding the /370 you might want to have a look to this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/370 BS3000 was marketed by Siemens (its original name was FACOM and the manufacturer was Fujitsu). It had no relations to BS2000. It was sort of Clone of MVS and IBM sued Fujitsu for copyright infringement; there were rumors that IBM demanded (and received) 1 billion US$ from Fujitsu which implied also that the Japanese company was allowed to sell their machines in the domestic market. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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BS = bull $hit Meaning,.. one is talking meaningless, foolish, s#it. So either BS or horse s#it. Seeing a name like BS2000 or BS3000 made me think of a hypothetical marketing department where their product is so useless, but they proudly sell it, by naming it BS2000. They call the new and improved version BS3000. It's like how the wall street laughs at the rest of the world when they name things CDOs, etc. Sure, CDO has a normal meaning but I'm sure some guy in a suit somewhere knows its *real* expanded name (inside joke). – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Arthur Fichtl Sent: 27 January 2019 08:27 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Am 27.01.2019 um 06:00 schrieb IBM-MAIN automatic digest system: > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz OK, Enlight me, what is BS? Why it's funny? It is Germish and means "Betriebssystem" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Am 27.01.2019 um 06:00 schrieb IBM-MAIN automatic digest system: Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz OK, Enlight me, what is BS? Why it's funny? It is Germish and means "Betriebssystem" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Here in the USBS = Bull S**t Thanks, Tom Savor The polite translation is Bovine Scatology. Literally the stuff that comes out of the south end of a north-bound bull. In a message dated 1/26/2019 8:39:10 AM Central Standard Time, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl writes: Enlight me, what is BS? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
OK, I know what BS means, and obviously know what means full form ;-) BTW: I heard that Betasystems products tend to have problems in US because of their names (BETA88, BETA42, BETA85...). No one wanted to have BETA versions. Obiously the products are/were quite OK. BTW2: I saw a ESCON-attached BS2000 mainframe once upon a time in National Bank of Austria. And heard about one installation in Poland (Huta Florian), it think it was the only one. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland dniu 2019-01-26 o 18:38, Jesse 1 Robinson pisze: I get 'page cannot be displayed'. Sounds like BS. Try https://www.google.com/search?q=bs+meaning=1C1GNAM_enUS677US677=bs+=chrome.3.69i57j0l5.7400j0j8=chrome=UTF-8 or just search in Google as I did. BTW this is my go-to method for conveying the meaning of awkward phrases. One friend did not understand 'brown nose'. Google to the rescue. Side note. Americans are way more squeamish about these things than the average world citizen. Poor us. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Parwez Hamid Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BS -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The polite translation is Bovine Scatology. Literally the stuff that comes out of the south end of a north-bound bull. In a message dated 1/26/2019 8:39:10 AM Central Standard Time, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl writes: Enlight me, what is BS? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I get 'page cannot be displayed'. Sounds like BS. Try https://www.google.com/search?q=bs+meaning=1C1GNAM_enUS677US677=bs+=chrome.3.69i57j0l5.7400j0j8=chrome=UTF-8 or just search in Google as I did. BTW this is my go-to method for conveying the meaning of awkward phrases. One friend did not understand 'brown nose'. Google to the rescue. Side note. Americans are way more squeamish about these things than the average world citizen. Poor us. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Parwez Hamid Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BS -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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OK, Enlight me, what is BS? Why it's funny? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2019-01-26 o 10:01, Bernd Oppolzer pisze: Outside USA, the two-letter acronym BS would probably not trigger automatically the same reflex. At least it took me some seconds yesterday to understand why the other poster was laughing about the name of BS2000. Funny: yesterday evening (after this mail dialog) I went to the cinema and watched the Michael Moore movie "Fahrenheit 11/9" and at one point I saw the crowd screamin "BS, BS, ..." :-) if I had seen this earlier, I had probably understood faster :-) Kind regards Bernd Am 26.01.2019 um 00:57 schrieb zMan: The former FOCUS product is owned by Select Business Systems, whose domain is www.selectbs.com. That one makes me laugh similarly! Nobody in Marketing must have been involved in that name. Or worse, they were... On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 2:26 AM Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000. LMAO! – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Outside USA, the two-letter acronym BS would probably not trigger automatically the same reflex. At least it took me some seconds yesterday to understand why the other poster was laughing about the name of BS2000. Funny: yesterday evening (after this mail dialog) I went to the cinema and watched the Michael Moore movie "Fahrenheit 11/9" and at one point I saw the crowd screamin "BS, BS, ..." :-) if I had seen this earlier, I had probably understood faster :-) Kind regards Bernd Am 26.01.2019 um 00:57 schrieb zMan: The former FOCUS product is owned by Select Business Systems, whose domain is www.selectbs.com. That one makes me laugh similarly! Nobody in Marketing must have been involved in that name. Or worse, they were... On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 2:26 AM Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000. LMAO! – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Ron Hawkins wrote: >Your statement " VOS3 does not run on today's IBM Z >machines" appears to be at odds with the 2017 IBM >announcement. It is not at odds. It's perfectly consistent with the joint announcement. Hitachi's VOS3/XS runs on Hitachi's AP1 machines, not on IBM Z machines. IBM is Hitachi's systems partner, and Hitachi's AP1 machines are based on IBM Z technologies, but they are not IBM Z machines. They are IBM Z technology-based machines. The AP1 and IBM z14 ZR1 are close cousins, yes, but there are differences. In contrast, historically, yes, VOS3/LS ran on select prior, now discontinued IBM Z models that were equipped with an adaptation. That was quite a while ago; my recollection is that the IBM z9BC was the last IBM machine model able to run Hitachi's VOS3 operating system. I could be off by one model generation, though. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
The former FOCUS product is owned by Select Business Systems, whose domain is www.selectbs.com. That one makes me laugh similarly! Nobody in Marketing must have been involved in that name. Or worse, they were... On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 2:26 AM Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: > I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000. > LMAO! > > – Vignesh > Mainframe Infrastructure > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bernd Oppolzer > Sent: 24 January 2019 23:11 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz > > Am 24.01.2019 um 18:01 schrieb R.S.: > > W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze: > >> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the > >> older ones. > >> > >> You can add the following: > >> > >> KVM > >> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS > > > > Well, IT DEPENDS. > > > > KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it > > Linux? Maybe, but specialized. > > > > VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to > > legal settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK. > > > > There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE > > AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned > > with (paid) agreement from IBM. > > > BS2000 is a genuine Siemens OS, later transferred to Fujitsu and called > BS2000/OSD. > It ran on 370 and 390 compatible machines, but was very different from MVS > or VSE, AFAIK. > Its origins are some older OSes targetting other architectures similar to > IBM 360 (RCA Spectra ...). > > There was a BS3000, too, which was the same as MVS, but Siemens (or > Fujitsu) had to > cancel it due to legal problems with IBM, IIRC. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000 > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > MARKSANDSPENCER.COM > > Unless otherwise stated above: > Marks and Spencer plc > Registered Office: > Waterside House > 35 North Wharf Road > London > W2 1NW > > Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. > > Telephone (020) 7935 4422 > Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 > > www.marksandspencer.com > > Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. > > This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us > know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or > distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as > this is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Red Hat (was Re: how many OSes run on IBMz)
Gord Tomlin wrote: >It will be a great opportunity for IBM to show whether it genuinely >supports the open source community. It will also be interesting to see >whether IBM starts to favor Red Hat over SUSE and Ubuntu on z. Starts? IBM has favored RHEL over SLES for a while, near as I can tell. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Red Hat (was Re: how many OSes run on IBMz)
On 2019-01-25 14:27, Tom Marchant wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:44:57 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red Hat completes, that'll change. This prompts me to wonder what happens to Fedora when IBM buys Red Hat. It will be a great opportunity for IBM to show whether it genuinely supports the open source community. It will also be interesting to see whether IBM starts to favor Red Hat over SUSE and Ubuntu on z. -- Regards, Gord Tomlin Action Software International (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 Support: https://actionsoftware.com/support/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Red Hat (was Re: how many OSes run on IBMz)
Oh, oh, I forgot to add, it goes from a Fedora to a Bowler? :) (Attempts a my Friday night humor) Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer III UF Information Technology 720 Bld. 3rd Floor, #9 P.O. Box 112050 Gainesville, FL. 32611 (e) ajn...@ufl.edu (p) (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Nims,Alva John (Al) Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 4:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Red Hat (was Re: how many OSes run on IBMz) It goes from Red to Blue? :) Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer III UF Information Technology 720 Bld. 3rd Floor, #9 P.O. Box 112050 Gainesville, FL. 32611 (e) ajn...@ufl.edu (p) (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 2:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Red Hat (was Re: how many OSes run on IBMz) On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:44:57 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red >Hat completes, that'll change. This prompts me to wonder what happens to Fedora when IBM buys Red Hat. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Red Hat (was Re: how many OSes run on IBMz)
It goes from Red to Blue? :) Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer III UF Information Technology 720 Bld. 3rd Floor, #9 P.O. Box 112050 Gainesville, FL. 32611 (e) ajn...@ufl.edu (p) (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 2:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Red Hat (was Re: how many OSes run on IBMz) On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:44:57 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red >Hat completes, that'll change. This prompts me to wonder what happens to Fedora when IBM buys Red Hat. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Tim, Your statement " VOS3 does not run on today's IBM Z machines" appears to be at odds with the 2017 IBM announcement. http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/52454.wss The Hitachi AP series is the IBM z14. Ron Hawkins Director, Ipsicsopt Pty Ltd (ACN: 627 705 971) | m: +61 400029610 | h: +61 387399252 | email: ron.hawk...@ipsicsopt.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Friday, 25 January 2019 18:45 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] how many OSes run on IBMz Parwez Hamid wrote: >IBM itself doesn't distribute LINUX. IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red Hat completes, that'll change. >Hitachi’s operating system, VOS Hitachi's operating system is now called VOS3/XS in its latest iteration, introduced in 2018. VOS3/XS runs on the new Hitachi AP1 model machines, also introduced in 2018. IBM is Hitachi's system technology partner, but VOS3 does not run on today's IBM Z machines. VOS3 runs on Hitachi's machines. The latest Hitachi AP1 is a "cousin" to the IBM z14 ZR1. Historically, for a couple IBM Z model cycles and with a little adaptation, VOS3 did run quite well on IBM Z machines. It was VOS3/LS back then, if I'm correct about vintages. Hitachi built the IBM z800 model for the global market (including Japan) using IBM processors, and Hitachi also built a variant of that model for Japan to run VOS3/LS, the VOS3 update introduced in 2002 that incorporated a very little bit of 64-bit-ness. I think there was enough VOS3/LS compatibility in the IBM z800, z890, and z9BC (those three models as I recall) so that it'd run well on the IBM machines, with a bit of adjustment. Bernd Oppolzer wrote: >MUSIC/SP, but I don't know MUSIC/SP would have some problems starting up on an IBM z14 machine, but I suspect it'd still run under z/VM with SET MACH ESA. It'd have to be MUSIC/SP 6.1 or higher, and you would need permission from its copyright holders. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Red Hat (was Re: how many OSes run on IBMz)
On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:44:57 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red Hat >completes, that'll change. This prompts me to wonder what happens to Fedora when IBM buys Red Hat. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
> Red hat is available As is SUSE. That was my point. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Beaver Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 7:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Red hat is available Sent from my iPhone Sorry for the finger checks > On Jan 24, 2019, at 17:34, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > Then what are Red Hat and openSUSE distributions for z? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > Wolfgang Fritz <016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:10 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz > > Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Linux one is a kind of z14 > > Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung. > >> Am 24.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb R.S. : >> >> IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR System >> z and Linux ON system z. >> >> It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names. >> Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays. >> >> -- >> Radoslaw Skorupka >> Lodz, Poland >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> W dniu 2019-01-24 o 19:55, Phil Smith III pisze: >>> Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, >>> formerly zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're >>> software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" >>> officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into >>> names like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute >>> Linux-yet! Coming soon.) >>> >>> >>> Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM: >>> >>> * Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and >>> Linux for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode. >>> >>> * Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System >>> z >>> >>> >>> It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM! >>> >>> >>> Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I >>> think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: >>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1__Nr380ACVP5DmBDewNEJvAcQUSpCCHi91WoNS32c3jh-oVdohBH6BZ68lAFBwLRMtCnvAyH89iaFmeLkI6G8aNn2Cssavr_ytaFphufWXRBECTNppPguthLhRM25SJwPFPZHQszGJWIqgcefl-jQR_k06U8Ydblq1unvbZ_9jj7mKdlKjJU050nfXPjSk5oHGRNdHf01hGebfPGaeOAVwuVJYy5mXXfjxGSn_0W6O3dNzHZbeNpLAisXGqx0ynxo-GS_K6hvPY7QsTI62pikRauTXc51xwd4V49XruNJTFCJxVZwK2HeSiNDg9o0ij9DNHBI0gKVFsAGSnh1BbAlMFPjeyB4ucqD4A0T0m3-WC906wNBfPMphI9x7alCF8U_hnpmeUpydHu_EIYphoamWJvh6TbJ2WGN_Te0uA4rjENY7muWUGpV-WWCGx7jKec/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mantissa.com%2Fmantissa-product-families%2Fvirtualization%2Fz86vm-functional-overview%2F >>> -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled. >>> >>> >>> Vignesh wrote, in part: >>> >>>> I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM >>> >>> Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. >>> Well, not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't >>> IML an IBM Z without PR/SM. >>> >>> >>> .phsiii >> >> >> == >> >> Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: >> >> - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), >> - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub >> zapisałeś na dysku). >> Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może >> wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia >> (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza >> prawo i może podlegać karze. >> >> mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 >> Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1DAmzyvON_KxaqI0tkWPb1OlRPrSO4I8wtEAUUECiijg8A0R_JkShBOGQnOfJD4biKFFMbtP7fqGJKJgX9Qi9sUxcaSqwSUOZZqwP0sSjNEmOhLLNwOKS2tWovRzyNKtdDyzfg2fkRpgPRDkKxHcbOGwoZtL2x4hUabrd0xgTSiUH7Cn_bLGRzsFnFJFwIeHw5hOhpU6AwGDIrgodKniQkoP4VHNlNuNGvwPCvuckPFGau_CQeXq5ogI8rDef4WSjNMEGUnsX9Trapv032ult4YwBxvRRtdoJES6B5-8TnT2dXx07j1Y6ulaMhJZe3fI8ecbU8HklgmYAgk6-f5SirCslDrfaceMZ8k2O
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Redhat from Rel7.5 and Suse from 12.x is s390x available on LPAR Mode. Both can run KVM for virtualization. Am 25.01.2019 um 00:34 schrieb Seymour J Metz: Then what are Red Hat and openSUSE distributions for z? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Wolfgang Fritz <016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Linux one is a kind of z14 Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung. Am 24.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb R.S. : IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR System z and Linux ON system z. It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names. Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2019-01-24 o 19:55, Phil Smith III pisze: Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, formerly zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into names like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute Linux-yet! Coming soon.) Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM: * Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and Linux for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode. * Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System z It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM! Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: http://secure-web.cisco.com/1__Nr380ACVP5DmBDewNEJvAcQUSpCCHi91WoNS32c3jh-oVdohBH6BZ68lAFBwLRMtCnvAyH89iaFmeLkI6G8aNn2Cssavr_ytaFphufWXRBECTNppPguthLhRM25SJwPFPZHQszGJWIqgcefl-jQR_k06U8Ydblq1unvbZ_9jj7mKdlKjJU050nfXPjSk5oHGRNdHf01hGebfPGaeOAVwuVJYy5mXXfjxGSn_0W6O3dNzHZbeNpLAisXGqx0ynxo-GS_K6hvPY7QsTI62pikRauTXc51xwd4V49XruNJTFCJxVZwK2HeSiNDg9o0ij9DNHBI0gKVFsAGSnh1BbAlMFPjeyB4ucqD4A0T0m3-WC906wNBfPMphI9x7alCF8U_hnpmeUpydHu_EIYphoamWJvh6TbJ2WGN_Te0uA4rjENY7muWUGpV-WWCGx7jKec/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mantissa.com%2Fmantissa-product-families%2Fvirtualization%2Fz86vm-functional-overview%2F -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled. Vignesh wrote, in part: I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. Well, not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't IML an IBM Z without PR/SM. .phsiii == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1DAmzyvON_KxaqI0tkWPb1OlRPrSO4I8wtEAUUECiijg8A0R_JkShBOGQnOfJD4biKFFMbtP7fqGJKJgX9Qi9sUxcaSqwSUOZZqwP0sSjNEmOhLLNwOKS2tWovRzyNKtdDyzfg2fkRpgPRDkKxHcbOGwoZtL2x4hUabrd0xgTSiUH7Cn_bLGRzsFnFJFwIeHw5hOhpU6AwGDIrgodKniQkoP4VHNlNuNGvwPCvuckPFGau_CQeXq5ogI8rDef4WSjNMEGUnsX9Trapv032ult4YwBxvRRtdoJES6B5-8TnT2dXx07j1Y6ulaMhJZe3fI8ecbU8HklgmYAgk6-f5SirCslDrfaceMZ8k2OjVGgXxEXbvMwSJmA-KT6mB3sr9Z73OSLyrZ7sZpXCpdrwjvEJukdv9npunlZcbIidzOaZ9oodkxFo8gSOrtvojZZOhOF/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1DAmzyvON_KxaqI0tkWPb1OlRPrSO4I8wtEAUUECiijg8A0R_JkShBOGQnOfJD4biKFFMbtP7fqGJKJgX9Qi9sUxcaSqwSUOZZqwP0sSjNEmOhLLNwOKS2tWovRzyNKtdDyzfg2fkRpgPRDkKxHcbOGwoZtL2x4hUabrd0xgTSiUH7Cn_bLGRzsFnFJFwIeHw5hOhpU
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
After some thinking it became clear to me what you have in mind :-) BS is the German abbreviaton for operating system (BetriebsSystem). Kind regards Bernd Am 25.01.2019 um 08:25 schrieb Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh: I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000. LMAO! – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Parwez Hamid wrote: >IBM itself doesn't distribute LINUX. IBM doesn't distribute Linux yet. If IBM's pending acquisition of Red Hat completes, that'll change. >Hitachi’s operating system, VOS Hitachi's operating system is now called VOS3/XS in its latest iteration, introduced in 2018. VOS3/XS runs on the new Hitachi AP1 model machines, also introduced in 2018. IBM is Hitachi's system technology partner, but VOS3 does not run on today's IBM Z machines. VOS3 runs on Hitachi's machines. The latest Hitachi AP1 is a "cousin" to the IBM z14 ZR1. Historically, for a couple IBM Z model cycles and with a little adaptation, VOS3 did run quite well on IBM Z machines. It was VOS3/LS back then, if I'm correct about vintages. Hitachi built the IBM z800 model for the global market (including Japan) using IBM processors, and Hitachi also built a variant of that model for Japan to run VOS3/LS, the VOS3 update introduced in 2002 that incorporated a very little bit of 64-bit-ness. I think there was enough VOS3/LS compatibility in the IBM z800, z890, and z9BC (those three models as I recall) so that it'd run well on the IBM machines, with a bit of adjustment. Bernd Oppolzer wrote: >MUSIC/SP, but I don't know MUSIC/SP would have some problems starting up on an IBM z14 machine, but I suspect it'd still run under z/VM with SET MACH ESA. It'd have to be MUSIC/SP 6.1 or higher, and you would need permission from its copyright holders. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
I can't help but laugh at the names BS2000 and BS3000. LMAO! – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: 24 January 2019 23:11 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Am 24.01.2019 um 18:01 schrieb R.S.: > W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze: >> All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the >> older ones. >> >> You can add the following: >> >> KVM >> Hitachi’s operating system, VOS > > Well, IT DEPENDS. > > KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it > Linux? Maybe, but specialized. > > VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to > legal settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK. > > There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE > AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned > with (paid) agreement from IBM. BS2000 is a genuine Siemens OS, later transferred to Fujitsu and called BS2000/OSD. It ran on 370 and 390 compatible machines, but was very different from MVS or VSE, AFAIK. Its origins are some older OSes targetting other architectures similar to IBM 360 (RCA Spectra ...). There was a BS3000, too, which was the same as MVS, but Siemens (or Fujitsu) had to cancel it due to legal problems with IBM, IIRC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Now this reply, I like! - Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kevin Mckenzie Sent: 24 January 2019 16:48 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Strictly speaking, you could include Stand-alone Dump and ADRDSSU. --- Kevin McKenzie External Phone: 845-435-8282, Tie-line: 8-295-8282 z/OS Test Services - Test Architect, Provisioning IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 01/24/2019 09:17:25 AM: > From: John McKown > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 01/24/2019 09:18 AM > Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Sent by: IBM Mainframe > Discussion List > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant < > 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote: > > > > >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and > > >z/Linux. Are there any others? > > > > None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though > > they might be able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL > > in OS/390 > > mode. > > > > MTS, the Michigan Terminal System > > UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390 TSS > > > > -- > > Tom Marchant > > > > > Getting nice feedback. I guess I could find another system and name it > "Ancient Operating Systems". Why not? I already named one "Car-topia" with > the planets named after various cars. > > -- > I just burned 2000 calories! > That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. > > Maranatha! <>< > John McKown > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Red hat is available Sent from my iPhone Sorry for the finger checks > On Jan 24, 2019, at 17:34, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > Then what are Red Hat and openSUSE distributions for z? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > Wolfgang Fritz <016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:10 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz > > Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Linux one is a kind of z14 > > Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung. > >> Am 24.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb R.S. : >> >> IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR System >> z and Linux ON system z. >> >> It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names. >> Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays. >> >> -- >> Radoslaw Skorupka >> Lodz, Poland >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> W dniu 2019-01-24 o 19:55, Phil Smith III pisze: >>> Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, >>> formerly zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're >>> software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" >>> officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into >>> names like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute >>> Linux-yet! Coming soon.) >>> >>> >>> Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM: >>> >>> * Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and >>> Linux for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode. >>> >>> * Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System >>> z >>> >>> >>> It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM! >>> >>> >>> Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I >>> think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: >>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1__Nr380ACVP5DmBDewNEJvAcQUSpCCHi91WoNS32c3jh-oVdohBH6BZ68lAFBwLRMtCnvAyH89iaFmeLkI6G8aNn2Cssavr_ytaFphufWXRBECTNppPguthLhRM25SJwPFPZHQszGJWIqgcefl-jQR_k06U8Ydblq1unvbZ_9jj7mKdlKjJU050nfXPjSk5oHGRNdHf01hGebfPGaeOAVwuVJYy5mXXfjxGSn_0W6O3dNzHZbeNpLAisXGqx0ynxo-GS_K6hvPY7QsTI62pikRauTXc51xwd4V49XruNJTFCJxVZwK2HeSiNDg9o0ij9DNHBI0gKVFsAGSnh1BbAlMFPjeyB4ucqD4A0T0m3-WC906wNBfPMphI9x7alCF8U_hnpmeUpydHu_EIYphoamWJvh6TbJ2WGN_Te0uA4rjENY7muWUGpV-WWCGx7jKec/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mantissa.com%2Fmantissa-product-families%2Fvirtualization%2Fz86vm-functional-overview%2F >>> -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled. >>> >>> >>> Vignesh wrote, in part: >>> >>>> I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM >>> >>> Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. >>> Well, not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't >>> IML an IBM Z without PR/SM. >>> >>> >>> .phsiii >> >> >> == >> >> Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: >> >> - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), >> - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub >> zapisałeś na dysku). >> Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może >> wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia >> (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza >> prawo i może podlegać karze. >> >> mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 >> Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1DAmzyvON_KxaqI0tkWPb1OlRPrSO4I8wtEAUUECiijg8A0R_JkShBOGQnOfJD4biKFFMbtP7fqGJKJgX9Qi9sUxcaSqwSUOZZqwP0sSjNEmOhLLNwOKS2tWovRzyNKtdDyzfg2fkRpgPRDkKxHcbOGwoZtL2x4hUabrd0xgTSiUH7Cn_bLGRzsFnFJFwIeHw5hOhpU6AwGDIrgodKniQkoP4VHNlNuNGvwPCvuckPFGau_CQeXq5ogI8rDef4WSjNMEGUnsX9Trapv032ult4YwBxvRRtdoJES6B5-8TnT2dXx07j1Y6ulaMhJZe3fI8ecbU8HklgmYAgk6-f5SirCslDrfaceMZ8k2OjVGgXxEXbvMwSJmA-KT6mB3sr9Z73OSLyrZ7sZpXCpdrwjvEJukdv9npunlZcbIidzOaZ9oodkxFo8gSOrtvojZZOhOF/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, >> e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział >> Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. >>
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Then what are Red Hat and openSUSE distributions for z? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Wolfgang Fritz <016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Linux one is a kind of z14 Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung. > Am 24.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb R.S. : > > IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR System > z and Linux ON system z. > > It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names. > Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > W dniu 2019-01-24 o 19:55, Phil Smith III pisze: >> Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, >> formerly zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're >> software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" >> officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into names >> like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute Linux-yet! >> Coming soon.) >> >> >> Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM: >> >> * Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and >> Linux for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode. >> >> * Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System z >> >> >> It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM! >> >> >> Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I >> think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: >> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1__Nr380ACVP5DmBDewNEJvAcQUSpCCHi91WoNS32c3jh-oVdohBH6BZ68lAFBwLRMtCnvAyH89iaFmeLkI6G8aNn2Cssavr_ytaFphufWXRBECTNppPguthLhRM25SJwPFPZHQszGJWIqgcefl-jQR_k06U8Ydblq1unvbZ_9jj7mKdlKjJU050nfXPjSk5oHGRNdHf01hGebfPGaeOAVwuVJYy5mXXfjxGSn_0W6O3dNzHZbeNpLAisXGqx0ynxo-GS_K6hvPY7QsTI62pikRauTXc51xwd4V49XruNJTFCJxVZwK2HeSiNDg9o0ij9DNHBI0gKVFsAGSnh1BbAlMFPjeyB4ucqD4A0T0m3-WC906wNBfPMphI9x7alCF8U_hnpmeUpydHu_EIYphoamWJvh6TbJ2WGN_Te0uA4rjENY7muWUGpV-WWCGx7jKec/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mantissa.com%2Fmantissa-product-families%2Fvirtualization%2Fz86vm-functional-overview%2F >> -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled. >> >> >> Vignesh wrote, in part: >> >>> I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM >> >> Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. >> Well, not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't >> IML an IBM Z without PR/SM. >> >> >> .phsiii > > > == > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > zapisałeś na dysku). > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza > prawo i może podlegać karze. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1DAmzyvON_KxaqI0tkWPb1OlRPrSO4I8wtEAUUECiijg8A0R_JkShBOGQnOfJD4biKFFMbtP7fqGJKJgX9Qi9sUxcaSqwSUOZZqwP0sSjNEmOhLLNwOKS2tWovRzyNKtdDyzfg2fkRpgPRDkKxHcbOGwoZtL2x4hUabrd0xgTSiUH7Cn_bLGRzsFnFJFwIeHw5hOhpU6AwGDIrgodKniQkoP4VHNlNuNGvwPCvuckPFGau_CQeXq5ogI8rDef4WSjNMEGUnsX9Trapv032ult4YwBxvRRtdoJES6B5-8TnT2dXx07j1Y6ulaMhJZe3fI8ecbU8HklgmYAgk6-f5SirCslDrfaceMZ8k2OjVGgXxEXbvMwSJmA-KT6mB3sr9Z73OSLyrZ7sZpXCpdrwjvEJukdv9npunlZcbIidzOaZ9oodkxFo8gSOrtvojZZOhOF/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, > e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział > Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. > Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi > 169.248.488 złotych. > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have > pr
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Am 24.01.2019 um 18:01 schrieb R.S.: W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze: All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older ones. You can add the following: KVM Hitachi’s operating system, VOS Well, IT DEPENDS. KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it Linux? Maybe, but specialized. VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to legal settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK. There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned with (paid) agreement from IBM. BS2000 is a genuine Siemens OS, later transferred to Fujitsu and called BS2000/OSD. It ran on 370 and 390 compatible machines, but was very different from MVS or VSE, AFAIK. Its origins are some older OSes targetting other architectures similar to IBM 360 (RCA Spectra ...). There was a BS3000, too, which was the same as MVS, but Siemens (or Fujitsu) had to cancel it due to legal problems with IBM, IIRC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Linux for system z was a ibm distribution. Linux one is a kind of z14 Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung. > Am 24.01.2019 um 23:55 schrieb R.S. : > > IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR System > z and Linux ON system z. > > It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names. > Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > W dniu 2019-01-24 o 19:55, Phil Smith III pisze: >> Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, >> formerly zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're >> software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" >> officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into names >> like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute Linux-yet! >> Coming soon.) >> >> >> Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM: >> >> * Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and >> Linux for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode. >> >> * Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System z >> >> >> It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM! >> >> >> Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I >> think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: >> http://www.mantissa.com/mantissa-product-families/virtualization/z86vm-functional-overview/ >> -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled. >> >> >> Vignesh wrote, in part: >> >>> I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM >> >> Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. >> Well, not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't >> IML an IBM Z without PR/SM. >> >> >> .phsiii > > > == > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > zapisałeś na dysku). > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza > prawo i może podlegać karze. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. > Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, > NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have > printed out or saved). > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates > (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the > law and may be penalised. > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the > Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court > Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital > amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
IMHO 99% of people have no idea there is difference between Linux FOR System z and Linux ON system z. It would be ridiculous to expect people to distinguish so similar names. Not to mention 31-bit versions are quite obsolete nowadays. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2019-01-24 o 19:55, Phil Smith III pisze: Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, formerly zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into names like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute Linux-yet! Coming soon.) Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM: * Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and Linux for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode. * Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System z It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM! Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: http://www.mantissa.com/mantissa-product-families/virtualization/z86vm-functional-overview/ -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled. Vignesh wrote, in part: I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. Well, not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't IML an IBM Z without PR/SM. .phsiii == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
KVM is just a Linux API, not an OS. There are multiple hypervisor running under Linux with KVM. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jon Nolting Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz KVM? Jon Nolting System Administrator Engineering IT jon.nolt...@oracle.com 425-295-1733 (Cell) -Original Message- From: Gadi Ben-Avi [mailto:gad...@malam.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz You forgot z/VM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: how many OSes run on IBMz This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/Linux. Are there any others? OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
KVM is not an OS. It's part of Linux. A hypervisor using KVM is just another Linux application. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of R.S. Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 12:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze: > All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older > ones. > > You can add the following: > > KVM > Hitachi’s operating system, VOS Well, IT DEPENDS. KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it Linux? Maybe, but specialized. VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to legal settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK. There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned with (paid) agreement from IBM. And of course z/OS family can be counted as one or as: z/OS OS/390 MVS MFT, MVT, OS/VS1, OS/VS2, OS/360... -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1kQzVd2z_Gy6AKrZUiZXB2ynvLEg1BkB8jF0_iC7Xo8-xloXy-TaLu7NMPPExafxwWBVbrqdT_oRezeSBT-cDgjjxTZ7_FcQBBEdmcQaqkRmjRgCjLWho_7eCwJGeVY2PYnfMrby-vpGQ6hbk48mXgZkxMItFkfFqSlIhZ-2ailEBUfdu_dupJvQE2E0_S4qqfeA1SM3YM1lsnMzt4rrGZWmkXdbwXDTbBB7lYoD06dfowrYksBBLgADYCjuIidxnUy5OGXbnTefiMmhTxrLScPrKxegHML5vcsdFF7iLYOXnVjIxvbsQ_WcNsVPrk8lUxzUp5scoKVzFfcHbs77WiaJ5dbOpxYLuAJGi97l013r4_VfeupK0UCumwt_V7b-L/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1kQzVd2z_Gy6AKrZUiZXB2ynvLEg1BkB8jF0_iC7Xo8-xloXy-TaLu7NMPPExafxwWBVbrqdT_oRezeSBT-cDgjjxTZ7_FcQBBEdmcQaqkRmjRgCjLWho_7eCwJGeVY2PYnfMrby-vpGQ6hbk48mXgZkxMItFkfFqSlIhZ-2ailEBUfdu_dupJvQE2E0_S4qqfeA1SM3YM1lsnMzt4rrGZWmkXdbwXDTbBB7lYoD06dfowrYksBBLgADYCjuIidxnUy5OGXbnTefiMmhTxrLScPrKxegHML5vcsdFF7iLYOXnVjIxvbsQ_WcNsVPrk8lUxzUp5scoKVzFfcHbs77WiaJ5dbOpxYLuAJGi97l013r4_VfeupK0UCumwt_V7b-L/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
All, The current Hitachi OS is called VOS3, but I'm not sure about the suffix (VOS3/???). I'm also not sure if Hitachi VMS was ported the Hitachi specific z14. While based on MVS, I think it is fair to say that z/OS and VOS3 have diverged enough from the parent OS to be listed as a separate OS for current z mainframes. Ron Hawkins Director, Ipsicsopt Pty Ltd (ACN: 627 705 971) | m: +61 400029610 | h: +61 387399252 | email: ron.hawk...@ipsicsopt.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, 25 January 2019 04:01 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] how many OSes run on IBMz W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze: > All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older > ones. > > You can add the following: > > KVM > Hitachi’s operating system, VOS Well, IT DEPENDS. KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it Linux? Maybe, but specialized. VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to legal settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK. There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned with (paid) agreement from IBM. And of course z/OS family can be counted as one or as: z/OS OS/390 MVS MFT, MVT, OS/VS1, OS/VS2, OS/360... -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Being pedantic, it's "IBM Z" (formerly z Systems, formerly System z, formerly zSeries). Operating systems always have a slash, because they're software: z/VM, z/OS, z/TPF, z/VSE. But Linux on IBM Z is not "z/Linux" officially, because IBM won't incorporate other folks' trademarks into names like that. (And as Parwez Hamid noted, IBM doesn't distribute Linux-yet! Coming soon.) Also note that there's "Linux on IBM Z" and "Linux for IBM Z". Per IBM: * Linux for System z refers to the Linux kernel in 64-bit mode and Linux for S/390 refers to the Linux kernel in 31-bit mode. * Linux on System z refers to the overall Linux environment on System z It sure gets fuzzy when you talk about things like CMS that run under z/VM! Note that the eWeek article Michael Knigge posted was talking about zBX, I think (no slash, hardware!). Not to be confused with z86VM from Mantissa: http://www.mantissa.com/mantissa-product-families/virtualization/z86vm-functional-overview/ -- which, alas, seems dead or at least stalled. Vignesh wrote, in part: > I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of z/VM Linux on IBM Z is SLES or RHEL or other distro, on bare metal or on z/VM. Well, not "bare metal" because there IS no bare metal any more: you can't IML an IBM Z without PR/SM. .phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 2019-01-24 o 15:51, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh pisze: Oh how about zAWARE ?? zAWARE is an appliance - some dedicated application running under Linux in dedicated LPAR. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 14:44, Parwez Hamid pisze: All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older ones. You can add the following: KVM Hitachi’s operating system, VOS Well, IT DEPENDS. KVM is Linux based hypervisor. Is it OS? Maybe, like z/VM. Is it Linux? Maybe, but specialized. VOS is just (almost legal) clone of MVS, like Fujitsu MSP. Due to legal settlements both are not available outside of Japan, AFAIK. There are also BS2000 (Siemens mainframe) OSes, similar to MVS and VSE AFAIK, but it's hard to find out real roots. I heard both are cloned with (paid) agreement from IBM. And of course z/OS family can be counted as one or as: z/OS OS/390 MVS MFT, MVT, OS/VS1, OS/VS2, OS/360... -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 17:48, Kevin Mckenzie pisze: Strictly speaking, you could include Stand-alone Dump and ADRDSSU. OK, let's add other stand-alone programs: ICKDSF, ZZSA, FDR utilities... -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:49 AM Kevin Mckenzie wrote:
> Strictly speaking, you could include Stand-alone Dump and ADRDSSU.
>
{grin} Only if the planet were a "dump". Oh wow, I could especially use
"Stand-alone Dump" for a lousy planet in a system with only one planet,
especially if the system economy is "destitute". Nice Idea.
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>
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> IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on
> 01/24/2019 09:17:25 AM:
>
> > From: John McKown
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Date: 01/24/2019 09:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
> > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant <
> > 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote:
> > >
> > > >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF,
> and
> > > >z/Linux. Are there any others?
> > >
> > > None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though they
> > > might be able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL in
> OS/390
> > > mode.
> > >
> > > MTS, the Michigan Terminal System
> > > UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390
> > > TSS
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tom Marchant
> > >
> > >
> > Getting nice feedback. I guess I could find another system and name it
> > "Ancient Operating Systems". Why not? I already named one "Car-topia"
> with
> > the planets named after various cars.
> >
> > --
> > I just burned 2000 calories!
> > That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven.
> >
> > Maranatha! <><
> > John McKown
> >
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Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
As mentioned, I would also add CFCC which is a very specific OS as well as KVM Jon Nolting System Administrator Engineering IT jon.nolt...@oracle.com 425-295-1733 (Cell) -Original Message- From: John McKown [mailto:john.archie.mck...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Parwez Hamid wrote: > All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the > older ones. > I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line" from IBM itself: z/OS, z/VSE, z/VM, z/TPF(?), z/Linux. I am thinking of currently supported OSes which will IPL "stand alone" in an LPAR, so that excludes OSes which only run as a guest in z/VM, such as CMS. > > You can add the following: > > KVM > Hitachi’s operating system, VOS > > -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:46 AM Jon Nolting wrote: > KVM? > Kernel Virtual Machine -- a way to run a guest OS under Linux. I don't know much about it on the z. I use it on Linux/Intel to run Windows under Linux. > > > Jon Nolting > System Administrator > Engineering IT > > jon.nolt...@oracle.com > 425-295-1733 (Cell) > > > -Original Message- > From: Gadi Ben-Avi [mailto:gad...@malam.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:20 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz > > You forgot z/VM > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of John McKown > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:18 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: how many OSes run on IBMz > > This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and > z/Linux. Are there any others? > > OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. > It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover > a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star > with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz > platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If > there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some > major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER > or RSCS. > > -- > I just burned 2000 calories! > That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. > > Maranatha! <>< > John McKown > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Strictly speaking, you could include Stand-alone Dump and ADRDSSU. --- Kevin McKenzie External Phone: 845-435-8282, Tie-line: 8-295-8282 z/OS Test Services - Test Architect, Provisioning IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 01/24/2019 09:17:25 AM: > From: John McKown > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 01/24/2019 09:18 AM > Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant < > 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote: > > > > >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and > > >z/Linux. Are there any others? > > > > None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though they > > might be able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL in OS/390 > > mode. > > > > MTS, the Michigan Terminal System > > UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390 > > TSS > > > > -- > > Tom Marchant > > > > > Getting nice feedback. I guess I could find another system and name it > "Ancient Operating Systems". Why not? I already named one "Car-topia" with > the planets named after various cars. > > -- > I just burned 2000 calories! > That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. > > Maranatha! <>< > John McKown > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
KVM? Jon Nolting System Administrator Engineering IT jon.nolt...@oracle.com 425-295-1733 (Cell) -Original Message- From: Gadi Ben-Avi [mailto:gad...@malam.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz You forgot z/VM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: how many OSes run on IBMz This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/Linux. Are there any others? OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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zAware was not an OS. Originally it was firmware. BTW: It was transitioned to IBM Operational Analytics for z Systems From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh Sent: 24 January 2019 14:51 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Oh how about zAWARE ?? – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: 24 January 2019 14:37 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S. wrote: > >It depends. >There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. >There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). >There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. >Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. >There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. >There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, >but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. >There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, >Slackware, Ubuntu... > How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so: PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ... Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com<http://www.marksandspencer.com> Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
But you could use all Linux distribution without z/vm when you get a s390x Version nativ on a lpar. I have a kvm rhel 7.5 with kvm. For my guests on z/14 Bin unterwegs hab nur iPhone zur Verfügung. > Am 24.01.2019 um 16:48 schrieb Parwez Hamid : > > Re: I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line" from > IBM itself: z/OS, z/VSE, z/VM, z/TPF(?), z/Linux. > > If this is what you want, then there are only 4 i.e. excluding PR/SM and DPM. > These are z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and z/TPF. IBM itself doesn't distribute LINUX. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Re: I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line" from IBM itself: z/OS, z/VSE, z/VM, z/TPF(?), z/Linux. If this is what you want, then there are only 4 i.e. excluding PR/SM and DPM. These are z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE and z/TPF. IBM itself doesn't distribute LINUX. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The Hercules community are running some older operating systems. Could be that Hercules runs more than z is capable of. As Goldmember would say, ''Ïsn't that weird". On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 1:51 AM Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh < vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote: > Oh how about zAWARE ?? > > – Vignesh > Mainframe Infrastructure > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: 24 January 2019 14:37 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S. wrote: > > > >It depends. > >There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. > >There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). > >There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. > >Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. > >There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. > >There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, > >but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. > >There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, > >Slackware, Ubuntu... > > > How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so: > PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ... > > Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM. > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > MARKSANDSPENCER.COM > > Unless otherwise stated above: > Marks and Spencer plc > Registered Office: > Waterside House > 35 North Wharf Road > London > W2 1NW > > Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. > > Telephone (020) 7935 4422 > Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 > > www.marksandspencer.com > > Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. > > This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us > know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or > distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as > this is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Oh how about zAWARE ?? – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: 24 January 2019 14:37 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S. wrote: > >It depends. >There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. >There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). >There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. >Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. >There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. >There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, >but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. >There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, >Slackware, Ubuntu... > How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so: PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ... Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:25:48 +0100, R.S. wrote: > >It depends. >There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. >There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). >There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. >Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. >There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. >There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, >but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. >There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, >Slackware, Ubuntu... > How do you count PR/SM, sort of a hyperhypervisor, so: PR/SM : z/VM :: z/VM : CMS ... Nowadays, most of the others won't run on "bare metal", only under PR/SM. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM Tom Marchant < 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote: > > >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and > >z/Linux. Are there any others? > > None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though they > might be able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL in OS/390 > mode. > > MTS, the Michigan Terminal System > UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390 > TSS > > -- > Tom Marchant > > Getting nice feedback. I guess I could find another system and name it "Ancient Operating Systems". Why not? I already named one "Car-topia" with the planets named after various cars. -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Ancient MFT (and subsequent incarantions) DOS/360 and subsequent incarnations BOS TOS PCP -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how many OSes run on IBMz what a strange typo ... "- if it really would run on a current z Hardware" of course Am 24.01.2019 um 13:52 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer: > Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.: >> W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze: >>> This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, >>> and z/Linux. Are there any others? >>> >>> OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I >>> play. >>> It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you >>> discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan >>> to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes >>> which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the >>> planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I >>> will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the >>> OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. >>> >> >> >> It depends. >> There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. >> There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). >> There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. >> Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. >> There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. >> There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under >> z/VM, but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. >> There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, >> Slackware, Ubuntu... >> >> > > MUSIC/SP, but I don't know > > - if there is a version of MUSIC/SP still running anywhere in the > "real world" > and not only with emulators in hobbyists' environments > > - if it really would round on a current z Hardware > > Kind regards > > Bernd > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: -- The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 06:17:47 -0600, John McKown wrote: >This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and >z/Linux. Are there any others? None of these were ever enhanced to support zArchitecture, though they might be able to run on older z hardware, that could still IPL in OS/390 mode. MTS, the Michigan Terminal System UTS, Amdahl's implementation of Unix for 370 & 390 TSS -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
kVM? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: how many OSes run on IBMz This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/Linux. Are there any others? OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: -- The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Parwez Hamid wrote: > All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older > ones. > I was thinking just current systems, not historical. And "main line" from IBM itself: z/OS, z/VSE, z/VM, z/TPF(?), z/Linux. I am thinking of currently supported OSes which will IPL "stand alone" in an LPAR, so that excludes OSes which only run as a guest in z/VM, such as CMS. > > You can add the following: > > KVM > Hitachi’s operating system, VOS > > -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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All depends whether you are asking about 'current' Z systems or the older ones. You can add the following: KVM Hitachi’s operating system, VOS -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:03 AM Michael Knigge wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris_for_System_z > > But OpenSolaris for System z is dead > > > > > https://www.eweek.com/networking/ibm-to-support-windows-on-system-z-mainframes > > ok... just kidding > Well, I guess "Windows" would be a good name for a planet which is "extreme toxic" (which exists). > > > > Bye, > Knick > > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > > Michael Knigge > Software Engineer > > SET GmbH > Lister Straße 15 > 30163 Hannover > > phone: +49 511 39780-23 > fax: +49 511 39780-65 > > www.set.de > michael.kni...@set.de > > Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Hannover HRB 52778 > Geschäftsführer: Tobias Baum, Arthur Brack, Hendrik Leder > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] Im > Auftrag von John McKown > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2019 13:18 > An: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Betreff: how many OSes run on IBMz > > This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and > z/Linux. Are there any others? > > OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. > It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a > new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with > "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz > platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If > there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some > major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER > or RSCS. > > -- > I just burned 2000 calories! > That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. > > Maranatha! <>< > John McKown > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
zLinux only means that the host hardware can run. Linux OS and is supported b the kernel. Multiple Linux distributions run on Z. Ubuntu, SuSE and Red-hot are the core ones. There might be others but the named three are the predominant ones. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 "Aut Inveniam Viam Aut Faciam" translated - "I shall either find a way or make one." The phrase has been attributed to Hannibal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal>; when his generals told him it was impossible to cross the Alps by elephant <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Punic_War>, > On Jan 24, 2019, at 7:46 AM, ronjhawki...@gmail.com > wrote: > > I thought z/Linux was a myth. > > Ron Hawkins > Director, Ipsicsopt Pty Ltd (ACN: 627 705 971) | m: +61 400029610 | h: +61 > 387399252 | email: ron.hawk...@ipsicsopt.com > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > John McKown > Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2019 23:18 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [IBM-MAIN] how many OSes run on IBMz > > This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and > z/Linux. Are there any others? > > OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. > It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a > new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with > "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. > I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any > moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem > which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. > > -- > I just burned 2000 calories! > That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. > > Maranatha! <>< > John McKown > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris_for_System_z But OpenSolaris for System z is dead https://www.eweek.com/networking/ibm-to-support-windows-on-system-z-mainframes ok... just kidding Bye, Knick Mit freundlichen Grüßen Michael Knigge Software Engineer SET GmbH Lister Straße 15 30163 Hannover phone: +49 511 39780-23 fax: +49 511 39780-65 www.set.de michael.kni...@set.de Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Hannover HRB 52778 Geschäftsführer: Tobias Baum, Arthur Brack, Hendrik Leder -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] Im Auftrag von John McKown Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2019 13:18 An: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: how many OSes run on IBMz This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/Linux. Are there any others? OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
KVM on bare metal! Don't know if it's the same as zLinux.. I think zLinux is SLES or RHAT on top of zVM.. ? – Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bernd Oppolzer Sent: 24 January 2019 12:52 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: how many OSes run on IBMz Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.: > W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze: >> This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, >> and z/Linux. Are there any others? >> >> OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I >> play. >> It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you >> discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to >> find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which >> run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets >> after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to >> name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that >> name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. >> > > > It depends. > There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. > There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). > There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. > Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. > There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. > There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, > but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. > There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, > Slackware, Ubuntu... > > MUSIC/SP, but I don't know - if there is a version of MUSIC/SP still running anywhere in the "real world" and not only with emulators in hobbyists' environments - if it really would round on a current z Hardware Kind regards Bernd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
what a strange typo ... "- if it really would run on a current z Hardware" of course Am 24.01.2019 um 13:52 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer: Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.: W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze: This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/Linux. Are there any others? OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. It depends. There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, Slackware, Ubuntu... MUSIC/SP, but I don't know - if there is a version of MUSIC/SP still running anywhere in the "real world" and not only with emulators in hobbyists' environments - if it really would round on a current z Hardware Kind regards Bernd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 6:26 AM R.S. wrote: > It depends. > There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. > There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). > There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. > Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. > There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. > There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, > but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. > There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, > Slackware, Ubuntu... > Hum, which I can use in another star system which I name "Linux". Thanks for the idea! > > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
Am 24.01.2019 um 13:25 schrieb R.S.: W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze: This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/Linux. Are there any others? OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. It depends. There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, Slackware, Ubuntu... MUSIC/SP, but I don't know - if there is a version of MUSIC/SP still running anywhere in the "real world" and not only with emulators in hobbyists' environments - if it really would round on a current z Hardware Kind regards Bernd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
I thought z/Linux was a myth. Ron Hawkins Director, Ipsicsopt Pty Ltd (ACN: 627 705 971) | m: +61 400029610 | h: +61 387399252 | email: ron.hawk...@ipsicsopt.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2019 23:18 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [IBM-MAIN] how many OSes run on IBMz This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/Linux. Are there any others? OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
W dniu 2019-01-24 o 13:17, John McKown pisze: This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/Linux. Are there any others? OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. It depends. There were historical OSes like Amdahl UTS or AIX/ESA. There is "something" like CFCC (Coupling Facility Control Code). There is z/VM which is hypervisor or just OS. Sometimes TPF was not counted as OS even by IBM. There is/was OpenSolaris ported on mainframe, but AFAIK only under z/VM. There is CMS (part of z/VM), which currently can ruch only under z/VM, but AFAIK in the past it could run on bare metal as well. There are many zLinux distros like Debian, Fedora, SUSE, Redhat, Slackware, Ubuntu... -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2018 r. wynosi 169.248.488 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169,248,488 as at 1 January 2018. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how many OSes run on IBMz
You forgot z/VM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: how many OSes run on IBMz This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/Linux. Are there any others? OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
how many OSes run on IBMz
This is mainly a curiosity question. I know of: z/OS, z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/Linux. Are there any others? OK, the real reason I'm asking is to be a bit weird in a game that I play. It is "No Man's Sky",which is a space exploration game. When you discover a new star system or planet, you can rename it. So I plan to find a star with "n" planets, where "n" is the number of OSes which run on the IBMz platform. I will name the star IBMz, and the planets after the OSes. If there are any moons around a planet, I will try to name them after some major subsystem which runs on the OS with that name, such as JES2 or POWER or RSCS. -- I just burned 2000 calories! That's the last time I'll nap with brownies in the oven. Maranatha! <>< John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
