In
CAAJSdji5fA+mi5FPQ0dZ_AD3tkKAAe0gSs=whoizsotn2j-...@mail.gmail.com,
on 09/16/2013
at 09:17 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
Personally, unless I am doing an internal email, I use the ISO date
format.
Where? That's fine for human-readable text, but for anything that is
In 5237891d.2090...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 09/16/2013
at 03:41 PM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said:
I'm pretty sure the support is intended to access ordinary FBA disk
files and has nothing whatsoever to do with tape.
I'm pretty sure that the support is intended to allow a server
The problem can be much worse when two or more groups, e.g.,
anglophone and francophone Canadians, share the use of a facility.
Usually, the issues are formally linguistic ones, but they may really
be cultural or ethnic.
When my wife and I shop in Hoboken, NJ, which has a large
Barese/Molfetani
On 9/17/2013 4:59 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In 5237891d.2090...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 09/16/2013
at 03:41 PM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said:
I'm pretty sure the support is intended to access ordinary FBA disk
files and has nothing whatsoever to do with tape.
I'm
Sounds like it is almost made-to-order for a UNIX filesystem colony address
space to allow a z/OS UNIX filesystem on an FBA device.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.comwrote:
On 9/17/2013 4:59 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 01:57:55 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
On 9/16/2013 9:47 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
I meant something a little more restrictive, to wit the regions that
used to be [and in some measure still are] colo[u]red pink on world
maps.
The problem is worse than just regional. My
On 16 Sep 2013 15:41:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
On 9/16/2013 3:04 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
That sounds like Virtual Tape Libraries and not AIX or Linux disk file
systems.
I'm pretty sure the support is intended to access ordinary FBA disk
files and has nothing whatsoever to
On 16 September 2013 19:48, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
HFS UNIX filesystems are supported in the OMVS address space itself. zFS
filesystems are supported in a colony address space called ZFS.
In passing, there is no strong connection between running a filesystem
in the
Morris
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Subject: Re: z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V5)
On 16 Sep 2013 15:41:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
On 9/16/2013 3:04 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
That sounds like Virtual Tape Libraries
On 2013-09-14 10:37, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
What access methods and DSORGs can we expect to see supported?
Again all new? Or considerable compatibility with existing art?
UNIX filesystems? PDSE?
What release target?
-- gil
FBA Services are intended to allow a FBA device to be updated by
On 9/16/2013 9:17 AM, Gord Tomlin wrote:
FBA Services are intended to allow a FBA device to be updated by both
z/OS and other platforms. The API (IOSFBA) is all new, and is in no
way related to the access methods we all know and love. Forget all
about data sets, VTOCs, cylinders, and so on.
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:17:33 -0400, Gord Tomlin wrote:
FBA Services are intended to allow a FBA device to be updated by both
z/OS and other platforms. The API (IOSFBA) is all new, and is in no way
related to the access methods we all know and love. Forget all about
data sets, VTOCs, cylinders,
On 9/16/2013 10:37 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Where I see such as:
create new devices of TYPE=FBA attached to this control unit. Given that
these
devices are defined as Unit Record devices, they cannot be shared among
users on
a single system.
Right. There is no such thing as
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 08:27:53 -0500, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org wrote:
Just to be precise, the ISO standard for dates is more than just order.
If punctuation is used, the standard requires -, not /, as in:
-mm-dd
Good catch. I changed my IPLINFO exec years ago to use the ISO 8601
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:10:08 +0200, Jan Vanbrabant wrote:
Hi listers,
The base IOS apar
OA41040 has been closed.
It contains now:
...
*V1R13 SA22-7608 MVS Programming Authorized Assembler Services
*Guide
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/zoslib/pdf/IOSFBASC_113.pdf
*Chapter 32. z/OS
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:10:08 +0200, Jan Vanbrabant wrote:
Hi listers,
The base IOS apar
OA41040 has been closed.
It contains now:
...
*V1R13 SA22-7608 MVS Programming Authorized Assembler Services
*Guide
Defining something as a unit-record device is an old trick, used to
provide minimal, early, ad interim support for its use.
No one need to get his undies in knots about (or draw cosmic
conclusions from) this.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
On 9/16/2013 3:04 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
That sounds like Virtual Tape Libraries and not AIX or Linux disk file
systems.
I'm pretty sure the support is intended to access ordinary FBA disk
files and has nothing whatsoever to do with tape.
Is there even such a thing as FBA tape?
--
Edward E
Hi listers,
The base IOS apar
OA41040 has been closed.
It contains now:
*V1R13 GA23-0854 z/OS MVS Data Areas, Volume 2
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/zoslib/pdf/IOSDFBA_113.pdf
*V1R13 GA32-0855 z/OS MVS Data Areas, Volume 3
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/zoslib/pdf/IOSDIOST_113.pdf
*V1R13
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:41:33 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:
On 9/16/2013 3:04 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
That sounds like Virtual Tape Libraries and not AIX or Linux disk file
systems.
I'm pretty sure the support is intended to access ordinary FBA disk
files and has nothing whatsoever to do with tape.
Is
HFS UNIX filesystems are supported in the OMVS address space itself. zFS
filesystems are supported in a colony address space called ZFS. Why not
support another filesystem type, allocated on the unit record FBA device,
in another colony address space? Perhaps even a z/Linux formatted
filesystem
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:48:55 -0500, John McKown wrote:
HFS UNIX filesystems are supported in the OMVS address space itself. zFS
filesystems are supported in a colony address space called ZFS. Why not
support another filesystem type, allocated on the unit record FBA device,
in another colony
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] z/OS FBA Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and
COBOL V5)
This date format, yy/mm/dd---/mm/dd would of course be better---is in
no way ambiguous. It is an ISO/ANSI standard 'descending' date, the
crucial
merits of which are that it is 1) unambiguous and 2
Ron Hawkins wrote:
Surely you meant to say almost all of the rest of the world...
I meant something a little more restrictive, to wit the regions that
used to be [and in some measure still are] colo[u]red pink on world
maps. None of my Pakistani friends of course thinks of him/herself as
a
Personally, unless I am doing an internal email, I use the ISO date format.
There should be no chance of accidental misunderstanding. Of course, some
may ask what weird date is that? in which case I can explain. On my
checks, I use dd mon . Again, no confusion and it is intuitively
obvious
On 9/16/2013 9:47 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
I meant something a little more restrictive, to wit the regions that
used to be [and in some measure still are] colo[u]red pink on world
maps.
The problem is worse than just regional. My last time in Halifax, we
shopped at a mall for books, candy, and
Are z/OS FBA services new or are IBM releasing internal services that
have been used by the likes of media manager for years?
On 14/09/2013 9:32 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:03:03 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:
...
PROBLEM SUMMARY:
This date format, yy/mm/dd---/mm/dd would of course be better---is
in no way ambiguous. It is an ISO/ANSI standard 'descending' date,
the crucial merits of which are that it is 1) unambiguous and 2)
immediately orderable/sortable. Its exclusive use is also a very
imperfectly honored FIPS
On 9/14/2013 4:13 AM, David Crayford wrote:
Are z/OS FBA services new or are IBM releasing internal services that
have been used by the likes of media manager for years?
All new.
The new IOSFBA service is not for managing fixed-block data sets on an
ECKD device. Rather, IOSFBA is used to
On 14/09/2013 8:59 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
On 9/14/2013 4:13 AM, David Crayford wrote:
Are z/OS FBA services new or are IBM releasing internal services that
have been used by the likes of media manager for years?
All new.
The new IOSFBA service is not for managing fixed-block data sets on an
On 09/14/2013 07:20 AM, John Gilmore wrote:
This date format, yy/mm/dd---/mm/dd would of course be better---is
in no way ambiguous. It is an ISO/ANSI standard 'descending' date,
the crucial merits of which are that it is 1) unambiguous and 2)
immediately orderable/sortable. Its exclusive
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 22:52:14 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:
APAR Identifier .. OA41040 Last Changed 13/09/12
d/m/y (European Date Format) - ie: September 13, 2012.
LOL. I guess you're trying to prove Gil's point. :)
It's a shame there are so many dots in there. Otherwise they
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:59:59 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:
On 9/14/2013 4:13 AM, David Crayford wrote:
Are z/OS FBA services new or are IBM releasing internal services that
have been used by the likes of media manager for years?
All new.
The new IOSFBA service is not for managing fixed-block data
Mr. Ewing is correct. A full ISO 8601 date-and-time stamp takes the form
-MM-DDThh:mm:ssTZD
An example would be
2013-09-14T11:46:13:05:00
in which '-', 'T', and ':' are prescribed.
My earlier post omitted these details in the interests of brevity.
Googling ISO 8601 will yield more of
On 9/13/2013 5:47 PM, Clark Morris wrote:
IF (caps intentional) the z series AND z/OS are to have a long term
future, the z series must support the fastest fiber protocol (see Lynn
Wheeler's posts on the subject) and FBA (support that SHORT SIGHTED
BEAN COUNTERS vetoed according to Lynn).
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:03:03 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:
...
PROBLEM SUMMARY:
* USERS AFFECTED: Users at HBB7780 and above *
* PROBLEM
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:03:03 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:.
APAR Identifier .. OA41040 Last Changed 13/09/12
Ambiguous date.
https://xkcd.com/1179/
Symptom .. NF FUNCTION Status ... CLOSED UR1
What's UR1? I suppose I should RTFM.
Component
In addition to OA41040, there are at least three (3) related APARs --
OA41558 DEVSERV
OA42887 SRM
OA42912 [Not available]
John P. Baker
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On 9/13/2013 8:43 PM, John P. Baker wrote:
In addition to OA41040, there are at least three (3) related APARs --
OA41558 DEVSERV
OA42887 SRM
OA42912 [Not available]
APAR Identifier .. OA42912
At 21:48 -0500 on 09/13/2013, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: z/OS FBA
Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V:
x-charset UTF-8On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:03:03 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:.
APAR Identifier .. OA41040 Last Changed 13/09/12
Ambiguous date.
d/m/y
On 9/13/2013 9:55 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:
At 21:48 -0500 on 09/13/2013, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: z/OS FBA
Services (Was: PDS/E, Shared Dasd, and COBOL V:
x-charset UTF-8On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:03:03 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:.
APAR Identifier .. OA41040 Last Changed
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