The practical value doesn't depend on how it started. Yes, I could say all
sorts of things about how the mob interpreted "Liberté, égalité, fraternité",
but it doesn't change the fact that nobody understands the English system of
units. How many gills in a gallon? (That's a trick question; it
This interests me. I'm sort of on Seymour's side on this one, Tony; I
learned the metric system in high-school chemistry and mildly prefer it.
While I gotta admire anyone with the stick-to-it-iveness it takes to call it
a "fad" after two hundred years and 192 out of 195 countries, I'm persuaded
Well, the English Inch and the American inch were both defined as 3
barley corns. But the lengths were slightly different. So in 1959
they set the international inch as 25.4 mm, which was between the two
values and less than 1/1000 for the larger change from the old value.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020
You had me convinced, Tony :). I've recently started using "Google",
capitalized, to mean Google, but the lower-case verb "google" to mean simply
that I searched for something on-line. (By habit I use AltaVista, actually.
So I'm an old fart - so sue me.) So when I finally noticed that you were
Yes, it started as a 'fad'. If you look at what happened, the French
were beheading all the royalty just because "royalty is bad" and they
wanted a new measurement system because the old one could be traced back
to royalty so therefore that old measurement system was also "bad" by
association.
Not gonna sue you, but you realize AltaVista died in 2003, right? You’re
using Yahoo, whose continued existence is a mystery to all.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 3:52 PM Bob Bridges wrote:
> You had me convinced, Tony :). I've recently started using "Google",
> capitalized, to mean Google, but the
And FINGERing each other???
:-)
Tony Thigpen
Seymour J Metz wrote on 7/20/20 9:20 PM:
IMHO we'd all be better off with Gopher instead of the WWW.
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These days everybody has disabled the finger port, except on the coke machine.
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It disturbs me that I agree with Shmuel three times in as many days.
Tony, what's your mass here lately after Insanity-19? Let's have it in slugs,
please, since that's the unit. Take you a dram and a scruple; add in a grain
or two for precision, but make sure you convert it to mass.
American
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero
Absolute 0 is 0K, 0R, -273.15C, -459.67F.
Freezing point of water is 273.15K, 491.67R, 0C, 32F.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:23 PM Jackson, Rob
wrote:
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> It disturbs me that I agree with Shmuel three times in as many days.
>
> Tony, what's your mass
Well, at least he didn't claim to be using Archie, or Veronica.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:20 PM zMan wrote:
>
> Not gonna sue you, but you realize AltaVista died in 2003, right? You’re
> using Yahoo, whose continued existence is a mystery to all.
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 3:52 PM Bob Bridges
IMHO we'd all be better off with Gopher instead of the WWW.
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Thanks, Mike. I worry the point will be lost. -459.67 degrees Fahrenheit.
Yup; makes perfect sense. Slides in so well with the other Imperial units.
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Brian Westerman wrote:
>So you are using TCP to get to them inside the ICC, but they
>are technically local 3270 terminals. I think you can make
>some of them printers if you want, but that seems like a waste.
I recently worked with an organization that configured an OSA-ICC TN3270E
printer
Always interesting, if you like words (and I do). Thanks.
"Google", you say? Google isn't the source of my information, only the
warehouse (so to speak). The first source I quoted was Mr Davy himself. But
maybe you meant Wikipedia; a lot of people express varying amounts of derision
when
Bob,
I was referring to your "Wikipedia
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium) says this about the name:"
quote when I said that google is not an authority. Anybody can write
just about anything into google. Most teachers will not allow quotes
from google due to the mess that google is
Agreed. The full name is OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller and was
primarly meant to provide Console Support to IPL OSes. Overtime, its use has
evolved but the basic concept remains.
Regards
Parwez Hamid
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This is a fun Monday discussion. :-)
I did not say anything about decimal arithmetic, either for nor against.
I was discussing this fad called SI and how it was a standard looking
for a base. The fact that it uses base-10 arithmetic may add to it's
popularity, but that is only one small part
Local does not mean non-SNA; there a local SNA controllers, which you can't use
until VTAM is up.
After IPL and initialization, you can us whatever TN3270 servers you run to
connect to VTAM applications, including MCS, and the ICC is just one of those
TN3270 servers.
BW, has IBM dropped the
Excuse me, but IMHO OSA-ICC is just way to get rid off old equipment
like 3174L. It is NOT replacement, it is only for local (called non-SNA)
terminals, printers and ...CONSOLES. Consoles are the most important. Of
course 3172, 3274, and other controllers were not the goal.
IBM went looong
If the AS2 has the capability of switching to supervisor state; why can't
it (AS2) create
its own Cross Memory environment allowing Address Space (AS1) the ability
to issue a PC to AS2 and the PC Service Routine use AR Mode to transfer
data from the Target Address Space (AS2) to the Accessing
We are no more immune to Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of
Crowds than any other country, and our society has massive conformity in many
areas. Even many who want to rebel find a marginal group to rebel in conformity
with. People accept the most ludicrous claims because others
Wikipedia is not google. Google is an attempt at a search engine, and that URL
is a rwedirect URL that lets google track the use of the link. Some of the
article on wiki are of high quality. Others? Well, I trust wiki as a source of
references ;-)
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
Wayne,
We are an independent sort of people. We don't blindly follow others
after the latest fad, like SI units. SI units are not really built on
something real, but instead are a unit that looked for a base item that
'fit' into the new perception of reality.
It is humorous that the meter
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:05:49 -0700, Ed Jaffe
wrote:
>With IBM threatening to discontinue plain FTP next Monday, I'm wondering
>what is the transport of choice for sending data to ECuRep?
My choice:
//*
//ZOSPDUU EXEC PGM=AMAPDUPL
//SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//DEBUGDD
If the server creates a system LX, how does the client locate it? Of those
ways, which is easiest?
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Peter Relson
And therefore the question as to what you're talking about. You seem to be
conflating a search engine with an online encyclopedia for some reason. So
we're left wondering what it is you really mean.
Wikipedia itself says it's not an academic reference, and actually no
encyclopedia is. It is
You have missed the point. Twice. Enough said. Not worth the effort.
Tony Thigpen
Steve Smith wrote on 7/20/20 8:38 AM:
And therefore the question as to what you're talking about. You seem to be
conflating a search engine with an online encyclopedia for some reason. So
we're left wondering
W dniu 20.07.2020 o 05:47, Timothy Sipples pisze:
Mike Schwab wrote:
Port 23 is standard telnet. Port 3270 is non-standard TN3270E.
IANA has actually reserved port 3270 for "Verismart":HMC Integrated 3270 console
So you don't rate decimal arithmetic? :-) So how do you explain dollars
and cents? :-)
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Have you never heard of Name/Token Services? It's much easier than abusing
the SSI, and much more efficient.
sas
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:29 AM Seymour J Metz wrote:
> If the server creates a system LX, how does the client locate it? Of those
> ways, which is easiest?
>
>
How is using a field for what it is intended for abuse? And how is N/T easier?
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2020, at 13:42, Tony Thigpen wrote:
> You have missed the point. Twice. Enough said. Not worth the effort.
Well in that case perhaps you'd care to explain to /me/ what you meant by
... when I said that google is not an authority. Anybody can write
just about anything
I can confirm the part of the story where Grace Hopper found herself left
without a ride back to her hotel in Osaka.
In the late 1970s, I had the pleasure of meeting Grace Hopper when she came to
visit the facility where I was working at that time.
When she stopped by our department, she was
Perhaps I can put this in some historical context for the MOVE vs COPY choice.
Decades ago Grace Hopper spoke at an ASM meeting I attended. The folks on the
ENIAC team developed a COBOL precerser that looked a bit like English. Actually
they had observed that in most languages, commands start
OK. OK, I now see how I was not communicating it correctly. At one point
when I was talking about Wikipedia, I started using the term 'google'.
And, yes, I was incorrect. I intended to be talking about Wikipedia, not
Google. I guess my age is now showing. :-(
Tony Thigpen
Jeremy Nicoll wrote
This is a new requirement from the higher ups in our new owning company. We
are still on z/OS 1.12, so I don't have any new fancy stuff. We use
CA-OPS/MVS to trap "abend" messages from the CA-7 Browse log. We send these
messages to an Solar Winds "Orion" SNMP server so that it can interface
with
John, you forgot to say X-Posted! I answered on the TCP list but I suspect the
main dialog will end up being here. Here X-Posted is what I wrote on the TCP
list.
The whole point of AT-TLS is that it all just happens automagically (the z/OS
end only).
I'm not an expert on AT-TLS but to a
Actually, the original gram was 1 cubic centimeter of distilled water
at 4c, making a kilogram 10 cm * 10 cm * 10 cm of distilled water at
4c. Then they discovered nuclear isotopes that allowed the mass of
water to vary between samples.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 6:41 AM Tony Thigpen wrote:
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>
Does SNMP flow by TCP or by UDP? UDP would be wrinkle. TLS-UDP is not unheard
of but not super common in my experience. Does AT-TLS support UDP?
Charles
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