Re: ISPF startup processing
Now with some content. At one time ISPF-L was in the hands of Leonard Woren. Something indeed has gone wrong. I saw Leonard at SHARE in San Jose--along with his wife!!! Sounds like a job for Super Tom. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 5:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: ISPF startup processing *** EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening links or attachments *** On 6/10/2021 5:39 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > I'm a little incredulous that no one mentioned it already, but yes, there is > an ISPF-L listserv; check out ispf-l-l...@nd.edu. > > But it's not nearly as active as IBM-MAIN is, and you got excellent answers > here. I'm not complaining, just answering your question. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > Bob, The ISPF-L listserver is broken, it's some kind of mailing list now. Pretty sure it's no longer hosted at Notre Dame. I had NOMAIL set on the listserver, now I get mailbombed whenever someone posts to it. ISPF-L should be put out of its misery. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
. . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Conley Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 5:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: ISPF startup processing *** EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening links or attachments *** On 6/10/2021 5:39 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > I'm a little incredulous that no one mentioned it already, but yes, there is > an ISPF-L listserv; check out ispf-l-l...@nd.edu. > > But it's not nearly as active as IBM-MAIN is, and you got excellent answers > here. I'm not complaining, just answering your question. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > Bob, The ISPF-L listserver is broken, it's some kind of mailing list now. Pretty sure it's no longer hosted at Notre Dame. I had NOMAIL set on the listserver, now I get mailbombed whenever someone posts to it. ISPF-L should be put out of its misery. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
On 6/10/2021 5:39 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: I'm a little incredulous that no one mentioned it already, but yes, there is an ISPF-L listserv; check out ispf-l-l...@nd.edu. But it's not nearly as active as IBM-MAIN is, and you got excellent answers here. I'm not complaining, just answering your question. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 Bob, The ISPF-L listserver is broken, it's some kind of mailing list now. Pretty sure it's no longer hosted at Notre Dame. I had NOMAIL set on the listserver, now I get mailbombed whenever someone posts to it. ISPF-L should be put out of its misery. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
I'm a little incredulous that no one mentioned it already, but yes, there is an ISPF-L listserv; check out ispf-l-l...@nd.edu. But it's not nearly as active as IBM-MAIN is, and you got excellent answers here. I'm not complaining, just answering your question. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Because the future is profoundly unknowable, our best defense against tyranny is often the courage to obey our vaguest premonitions -- or to maintain what even the gentle and cheerful G.K. Chesterton called "a healthy bigotry." -Joseph Sobran on conservatism */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Billy Ashton Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 12:24 Well, Kolusu has hit on the edge of the bullseye! I searched the ISPPROF file, and found the split and swap command string in the ISPPROF member. It took a little magic from an old Rexx I had from who knows when (called ProfRead) that showed there is a ZSTART variable in ISPPROF. Closer look at the 7.3 function shows that only deals with ISRPROF, which is why I could not find it earlier. We were able to delete this variable from the table, and now we get the expected results. Thank you to all who had some great input - I now know lots of ways to get this result if I need them! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
I agree, for the most part that's a great place to start if you do not have any user Rexx or CLIST in concatenation first; I worked for a large Aerospace company that provided users the ability to add their own ISPF environmental datasets to the ISPF concatenation first, so all bets were off that it was ISPFPROF but a good place to look. other factors now with different emulators, session managers, is the ability to perform startup ACL's or macro's unfortunately I've worked at so many sites that I've found they all have a different standard for TSO/ISPF invocation, fortunately also, since I learned so many different ways to get the same results :) Carmen On 6/10/2021 9:42 AM, Tom Brennan wrote: And I missed it if someone mentioned this already, but whenever someone came to me with an ISPF issue that seemed to be "only them", the first thing I'd do is ask them to get to READY, rename their ISPPROF dataset to something else, and allocate a new empty one. 9 out of 10 times this fixed the problem. And 9 out of 10 were never concerned with what variable/setting actually caused the problem - they simply tossed out their old ISPPROF and started fresh with the working defaults. On 6/10/2021 6:51 AM, Tom Conley wrote: On 6/9/2021 12:24 PM, Billy Ashton wrote: Well, Kolusu has hit on the edge of the bullseye! I searched the ISPPROF file, and found the split and swap command string in the ISPPROF member. It took a little magic from an old Rexx I had from who knows when (called ProfRead) that showed there is a ZSTART variable in ISPPROF. Closer look at the 7.3 function shows that only deals with ISRPROF, which is why I could not find it earlier. We were able to delete this variable from the table, and now we get the expected results. Thank you to all who had some great input - I now know lots of ways to get this result if I need them! Billy All, This is why you should ALWAYS start ISPF with APPLID(ISR). ISPF and PDF do that, but ISPSTART uses APPLID(ISP) by default. Starting ISPF with APPLID(ISP) leads to issues like this. As far as deleting the ZSTART variable with 7.3 in a different APPLID, you can use the following procedure. - Enter Dialog Test - Enter a breakpoint in option 8 for SELECT and DISPLAY - Enter TSO ISPVVLI (this will allow dialog test to honor breakpoints for ISPF native code) - In dialog test option 1, enter ISR@PRIM (or your primary option menu if different) int he PANEL field, and enter ISP (or the APPLID for the profile you want to nuke) int he APPLID field. - If the breakpoint doesn't appear, enter 2, 3.4, something in ISPF to show the breakpoint - Select 3 for variables, L , then D to delete it. Also, if you haven't done so, you should run ISPCCONF to set the default primary option menu to ISR@PRIM and the default ISPF APPLID to ISR. Search for my Configuring ISPF for Fun and Profit for detailed instructions on how to do that. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
And I missed it if someone mentioned this already, but whenever someone came to me with an ISPF issue that seemed to be "only them", the first thing I'd do is ask them to get to READY, rename their ISPPROF dataset to something else, and allocate a new empty one. 9 out of 10 times this fixed the problem. And 9 out of 10 were never concerned with what variable/setting actually caused the problem - they simply tossed out their old ISPPROF and started fresh with the working defaults. On 6/10/2021 6:51 AM, Tom Conley wrote: On 6/9/2021 12:24 PM, Billy Ashton wrote: Well, Kolusu has hit on the edge of the bullseye! I searched the ISPPROF file, and found the split and swap command string in the ISPPROF member. It took a little magic from an old Rexx I had from who knows when (called ProfRead) that showed there is a ZSTART variable in ISPPROF. Closer look at the 7.3 function shows that only deals with ISRPROF, which is why I could not find it earlier. We were able to delete this variable from the table, and now we get the expected results. Thank you to all who had some great input - I now know lots of ways to get this result if I need them! Billy All, This is why you should ALWAYS start ISPF with APPLID(ISR). ISPF and PDF do that, but ISPSTART uses APPLID(ISP) by default. Starting ISPF with APPLID(ISP) leads to issues like this. As far as deleting the ZSTART variable with 7.3 in a different APPLID, you can use the following procedure. - Enter Dialog Test - Enter a breakpoint in option 8 for SELECT and DISPLAY - Enter TSO ISPVVLI (this will allow dialog test to honor breakpoints for ISPF native code) - In dialog test option 1, enter ISR@PRIM (or your primary option menu if different) int he PANEL field, and enter ISP (or the APPLID for the profile you want to nuke) int he APPLID field. - If the breakpoint doesn't appear, enter 2, 3.4, something in ISPF to show the breakpoint - Select 3 for variables, L , then D to delete it. Also, if you haven't done so, you should run ISPCCONF to set the default primary option menu to ISR@PRIM and the default ISPF APPLID to ISR. Search for my Configuring ISPF for Fun and Profit for detailed instructions on how to do that. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
Great info and thanks for sharing Tom. I've always used the dialog test option and breakpoints to diagnose ISPF application issues, but this step I never knew about Enter TSO ISPVVLI (this will allow dialog test to honor breakpoints for ISPF native code) thanks On 6/10/2021 8:51 AM, Tom Conley wrote: Enter TSO ISPVVLI (this will allow dialog test to honor breakpoints for ISPF native code) -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
On 6/9/2021 12:24 PM, Billy Ashton wrote: Well, Kolusu has hit on the edge of the bullseye! I searched the ISPPROF file, and found the split and swap command string in the ISPPROF member. It took a little magic from an old Rexx I had from who knows when (called ProfRead) that showed there is a ZSTART variable in ISPPROF. Closer look at the 7.3 function shows that only deals with ISRPROF, which is why I could not find it earlier. We were able to delete this variable from the table, and now we get the expected results. Thank you to all who had some great input - I now know lots of ways to get this result if I need them! Billy All, This is why you should ALWAYS start ISPF with APPLID(ISR). ISPF and PDF do that, but ISPSTART uses APPLID(ISP) by default. Starting ISPF with APPLID(ISP) leads to issues like this. As far as deleting the ZSTART variable with 7.3 in a different APPLID, you can use the following procedure. - Enter Dialog Test - Enter a breakpoint in option 8 for SELECT and DISPLAY - Enter TSO ISPVVLI (this will allow dialog test to honor breakpoints for ISPF native code) - In dialog test option 1, enter ISR@PRIM (or your primary option menu if different) int he PANEL field, and enter ISP (or the APPLID for the profile you want to nuke) int he APPLID field. - If the breakpoint doesn't appear, enter 2, 3.4, something in ISPF to show the breakpoint - Select 3 for variables, L , then D to delete it. Also, if you haven't done so, you should run ISPCCONF to set the default primary option menu to ISR@PRIM and the default ISPF APPLID to ISR. Search for my Configuring ISPF for Fun and Profit for detailed instructions on how to do that. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
So delete member isrprof from the ispprof library and let iPad create a new one from isptlib. Btw, try iPad opt 3 to see the isrprof values or just. Browse the dataset member בתאריך יום ה׳, 10 ביוני 2021 ב-2:06 מאת Joe Monk : > Yes there is a relationship between ZSTART and ISPSTART. > > Have the user try ISPSTART PANEL(ISR@PRIM) NEWAPPL(ISR). > > The doc says about ZSTART: > > "ISPF attempts to retrieve and validate profile variable ZSTART. If this > variable is valid (of the format ISPF|| command delimiter|| comand stack) > ISPF executes the command stack contained in the variable as though entered > from the primary panel. If ISPF cannot retrieve the variable or the > variable does not start ISPF|| command delimiter then ISPF displays the > primary panel." > > Joe > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 5:40 PM Billy Ashton > wrote: > > > That is correct. We tried the standard PDF and ISPF, and they only > > produced the single session with the primary option menu. Only ISPSTART > > caused the trouble. I haven't looked in the doc to see if there is some > > sort of cozy relationship between ISPSTART and the ZSTART profile > > variable, but it appears so. > > > > Billy > > -- Original Message ------ > > From: "Seymour J Metz" > > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > > Sent: 6/9/2021 4:18:18 PM > > Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > > > >PDF and ISPF won't give you the same defaults as ISPSTART, so it > > definitely matters whether the OP types ISPSTART or an alias of ISRPCP. > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > > > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf > > of Itschak Mugzach [0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:11 PM > > >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > >Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > > > > >Does this happen with all ispf aliases (PFG ISPF, etc.)? What happens if > > he > > >starts ispf with a different APPL name (aka NEWAPPL(xxx))? > > > > > >ITschak > > > > > >*| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere > > >Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, > zLinux > > >and IBM I **| * > > > > > >*|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 > > **|* > > >*Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: > > > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1WThYloW64MqwoxLvZJ2QLiXMP5IPg_g9Ll3M9Xie765QeY9Ql98YJngmux8G3eg1MLOrSQUj7H3Kit0kdW0Mfuked_H38nU5lsVoNdx-AcU8Fpz6tOJKx3vuRczBcRRBXqMPm4Om_W_zo59P75IkEFeUmNwFLjvdc-h_njqUVa1P2XVtOvjwmt_Rgknv74REuAxRbKZkPKMOcav3ZRhy0nTH_gpF048i3-Ls_BUZs_1RqTUTevUcnv0hhHWqsykQ9As7HkoR_THB_x6pYu_PcuhNNskh8bTJxu9NHB8uEQC6u8IiEBnFC2zy-xQE4740Yqz6CXzXXOwWGgAqbNzgyTfbM8X6kZVUxa37jqy1knXhoqpBAXPCFTPAUGZJSdW8v9v1Zmtru3xtGgB3J4i5HNdVfF5FRYalhKU_vU41QU0jP5AMKRl0Q92crOjRHTc8/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.Securiteam.co.il > > **|* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:59 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > > > >> ISRPCP calls ISPSTART under the covers; they are both commands and > are > > >> either in the LPA or the link list. > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > >>http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > >> > > >> > > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > > behalf > > >> of Billy Ashton [bill00ash...@gmail.com] > > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 11:13 AM > > >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > >> Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > >> > > >> The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user > > >> selects either a specific application command for special processing > or > > >> ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx > > >> program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something > happening > > >> with ISPSTART. > > >> > > >> Billy > > >> > > >> -- Original Message -- > > >> From: "Carmen Vitullo" > > >> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > > >> Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM > > >> Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > >> > > >&
Re: ISPF startup processing
Yes there is a relationship between ZSTART and ISPSTART. Have the user try ISPSTART PANEL(ISR@PRIM) NEWAPPL(ISR). The doc says about ZSTART: "ISPF attempts to retrieve and validate profile variable ZSTART. If this variable is valid (of the format ISPF|| command delimiter|| comand stack) ISPF executes the command stack contained in the variable as though entered from the primary panel. If ISPF cannot retrieve the variable or the variable does not start ISPF|| command delimiter then ISPF displays the primary panel." Joe On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 5:40 PM Billy Ashton wrote: > That is correct. We tried the standard PDF and ISPF, and they only > produced the single session with the primary option menu. Only ISPSTART > caused the trouble. I haven't looked in the doc to see if there is some > sort of cozy relationship between ISPSTART and the ZSTART profile > variable, but it appears so. > > Billy > -- Original Message -- > From: "Seymour J Metz" > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Sent: 6/9/2021 4:18:18 PM > Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > >PDF and ISPF won't give you the same defaults as ISPSTART, so it > definitely matters whether the OP types ISPSTART or an alias of ISRPCP. > > > > > >-- > >Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > >http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Itschak Mugzach [0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > >Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:11 PM > >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > > >Does this happen with all ispf aliases (PFG ISPF, etc.)? What happens if > he > >starts ispf with a different APPL name (aka NEWAPPL(xxx))? > > > >ITschak > > > >*| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere > >Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, zLinux > >and IBM I **| * > > > >*|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 > **|* > >*Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1WThYloW64MqwoxLvZJ2QLiXMP5IPg_g9Ll3M9Xie765QeY9Ql98YJngmux8G3eg1MLOrSQUj7H3Kit0kdW0Mfuked_H38nU5lsVoNdx-AcU8Fpz6tOJKx3vuRczBcRRBXqMPm4Om_W_zo59P75IkEFeUmNwFLjvdc-h_njqUVa1P2XVtOvjwmt_Rgknv74REuAxRbKZkPKMOcav3ZRhy0nTH_gpF048i3-Ls_BUZs_1RqTUTevUcnv0hhHWqsykQ9As7HkoR_THB_x6pYu_PcuhNNskh8bTJxu9NHB8uEQC6u8IiEBnFC2zy-xQE4740Yqz6CXzXXOwWGgAqbNzgyTfbM8X6kZVUxa37jqy1knXhoqpBAXPCFTPAUGZJSdW8v9v1Zmtru3xtGgB3J4i5HNdVfF5FRYalhKU_vU41QU0jP5AMKRl0Q92crOjRHTc8/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.Securiteam.co.il > **|* > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:59 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > >> ISRPCP calls ISPSTART under the covers; they are both commands and are > >> either in the LPA or the link list. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > >>http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > >> > >> > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > behalf > >> of Billy Ashton [bill00ash...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 11:13 AM > >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >> Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > >> > >> The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user > >> selects either a specific application command for special processing or > >> ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx > >> program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something happening > >> with ISPSTART. > >> > >> Billy > >> > >> -- Original Message -- > >> From: "Carmen Vitullo" > >> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > >> Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM > >> Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > >> > >> >Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? > >> > > >> >I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that > manage > >> TPX thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your > session in > >> split screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit > >> > > >> > > >> >Carmen > >> > > >> > > >> >On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: > >> >>Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can > help > >> me here. > >> >> > >> >>I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he > logs >
Re: ISPF startup processing
That is correct. We tried the standard PDF and ISPF, and they only produced the single session with the primary option menu. Only ISPSTART caused the trouble. I haven't looked in the doc to see if there is some sort of cozy relationship between ISPSTART and the ZSTART profile variable, but it appears so. Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Seymour J Metz" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 4:18:18 PM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing PDF and ISPF won't give you the same defaults as ISPSTART, so it definitely matters whether the OP types ISPSTART or an alias of ISRPCP. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Itschak Mugzach [0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing Does this happen with all ispf aliases (PFG ISPF, etc.)? What happens if he starts ispf with a different APPL name (aka NEWAPPL(xxx))? ITschak *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, zLinux and IBM I **| * *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 **|* *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: http://secure-web.cisco.com/1WThYloW64MqwoxLvZJ2QLiXMP5IPg_g9Ll3M9Xie765QeY9Ql98YJngmux8G3eg1MLOrSQUj7H3Kit0kdW0Mfuked_H38nU5lsVoNdx-AcU8Fpz6tOJKx3vuRczBcRRBXqMPm4Om_W_zo59P75IkEFeUmNwFLjvdc-h_njqUVa1P2XVtOvjwmt_Rgknv74REuAxRbKZkPKMOcav3ZRhy0nTH_gpF048i3-Ls_BUZs_1RqTUTevUcnv0hhHWqsykQ9As7HkoR_THB_x6pYu_PcuhNNskh8bTJxu9NHB8uEQC6u8IiEBnFC2zy-xQE4740Yqz6CXzXXOwWGgAqbNzgyTfbM8X6kZVUxa37jqy1knXhoqpBAXPCFTPAUGZJSdW8v9v1Zmtru3xtGgB3J4i5HNdVfF5FRYalhKU_vU41QU0jP5AMKRl0Q92crOjRHTc8/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.Securiteam.co.il **|* On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:59 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: ISRPCP calls ISPSTART under the covers; they are both commands and are either in the LPA or the link list. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Billy Ashton [bill00ash...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 11:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user selects either a specific application command for special processing or ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something happening with ISPSTART. Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Carmen Vitullo" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing >Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? > >I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that manage TPX thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your session in split screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit > > >Carmen > > >On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: >>Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help me here. >> >>I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs into TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has no idea how. >> >>Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? >> >>Thank you for your kind thoughts! >> >>Billy >> >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >-- *Carmen Vitullo* > >/“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
Shmuel, this is exactly the purpose of my question. Finding the root cause, whether is is the command, the APPL or something else. ITschak בתאריך יום ד׳, 9 ביוני 2021 ב-23:19 מאת Seymour J Metz : > PDF and ISPF won't give you the same defaults as ISPSTART, so it > definitely matters whether the OP types ISPSTART or an alias of ISRPCP. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Itschak Mugzach [0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:11 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > Does this happen with all ispf aliases (PFG ISPF, etc.)? What happens if he > starts ispf with a different APPL name (aka NEWAPPL(xxx))? > > ITschak > > *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere > Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, zLinux > and IBM I **| * > > *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 **|* > *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: > http://secure-web.cisco.com/1WThYloW64MqwoxLvZJ2QLiXMP5IPg_g9Ll3M9Xie765QeY9Ql98YJngmux8G3eg1MLOrSQUj7H3Kit0kdW0Mfuked_H38nU5lsVoNdx-AcU8Fpz6tOJKx3vuRczBcRRBXqMPm4Om_W_zo59P75IkEFeUmNwFLjvdc-h_njqUVa1P2XVtOvjwmt_Rgknv74REuAxRbKZkPKMOcav3ZRhy0nTH_gpF048i3-Ls_BUZs_1RqTUTevUcnv0hhHWqsykQ9As7HkoR_THB_x6pYu_PcuhNNskh8bTJxu9NHB8uEQC6u8IiEBnFC2zy-xQE4740Yqz6CXzXXOwWGgAqbNzgyTfbM8X6kZVUxa37jqy1knXhoqpBAXPCFTPAUGZJSdW8v9v1Zmtru3xtGgB3J4i5HNdVfF5FRYalhKU_vU41QU0jP5AMKRl0Q92crOjRHTc8/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.Securiteam.co.il > **|* > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:59 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > ISRPCP calls ISPSTART under the covers; they are both commands and are > > either in the LPA or the link list. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > > of Billy Ashton [bill00ash...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 11:13 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > > > The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user > > selects either a specific application command for special processing or > > ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx > > program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something happening > > with ISPSTART. > > > > Billy > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: "Carmen Vitullo" > > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > > Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM > > Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > > > >Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? > > > > > >I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that manage > > TPX thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your session > in > > split screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit > > > > > > > > >Carmen > > > > > > > > >On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: > > >>Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can > help > > me here. > > >> > > >>I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs > > into TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF > > and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, > > but he has no idea how. > > >> > > >>Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that > get > > processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have > > commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? > > >> > > >>Thank you for your kind thoughts! > > >> > > >>Billy > > >> > > >> > > >>-- > > >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > >> > > >-- *Carmen Vitullo* > > > > > >/“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to > > succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham > Lincoln/ > > > > > > > > >-- > > >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instru
Re: ISPF startup processing
PDF and ISPF won't give you the same defaults as ISPSTART, so it definitely matters whether the OP types ISPSTART or an alias of ISRPCP. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Itschak Mugzach [0305158ad67d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing Does this happen with all ispf aliases (PFG ISPF, etc.)? What happens if he starts ispf with a different APPL name (aka NEWAPPL(xxx))? ITschak *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, zLinux and IBM I **| * *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 **|* *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: http://secure-web.cisco.com/1WThYloW64MqwoxLvZJ2QLiXMP5IPg_g9Ll3M9Xie765QeY9Ql98YJngmux8G3eg1MLOrSQUj7H3Kit0kdW0Mfuked_H38nU5lsVoNdx-AcU8Fpz6tOJKx3vuRczBcRRBXqMPm4Om_W_zo59P75IkEFeUmNwFLjvdc-h_njqUVa1P2XVtOvjwmt_Rgknv74REuAxRbKZkPKMOcav3ZRhy0nTH_gpF048i3-Ls_BUZs_1RqTUTevUcnv0hhHWqsykQ9As7HkoR_THB_x6pYu_PcuhNNskh8bTJxu9NHB8uEQC6u8IiEBnFC2zy-xQE4740Yqz6CXzXXOwWGgAqbNzgyTfbM8X6kZVUxa37jqy1knXhoqpBAXPCFTPAUGZJSdW8v9v1Zmtru3xtGgB3J4i5HNdVfF5FRYalhKU_vU41QU0jP5AMKRl0Q92crOjRHTc8/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.Securiteam.co.il **|* On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:59 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > ISRPCP calls ISPSTART under the covers; they are both commands and are > either in the LPA or the link list. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Billy Ashton [bill00ash...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 11:13 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user > selects either a specific application command for special processing or > ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx > program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something happening > with ISPSTART. > > Billy > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Carmen Vitullo" > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM > Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > >Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? > > > >I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that manage > TPX thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your session in > split screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit > > > > > >Carmen > > > > > >On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: > >>Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help > me here. > >> > >>I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs > into TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF > and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, > but he has no idea how. > >> > >>Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get > processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have > commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? > >> > >>Thank you for your kind thoughts! > >> > >>Billy > >> > >> > >>-- > >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > >-- *Carmen Vitullo* > > > >/“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to > succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ > > > > > >-- > >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
Does this happen with all ispf aliases (PFG ISPF, etc.)? What happens if he starts ispf with a different APPL name (aka NEWAPPL(xxx))? ITschak *| **Itschak Mugzach | Director | SecuriTeam Software **|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for Z/OS, zLinux and IBM I **| * *|* *Email**: i_mugz...@securiteam.co.il **|* *Mob**: +972 522 986404 **|* *Skype**: ItschakMugzach **|* *Web**: www.Securiteam.co.il **|* On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:59 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > ISRPCP calls ISPSTART under the covers; they are both commands and are > either in the LPA or the link list. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of Billy Ashton [bill00ash...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 11:13 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user > selects either a specific application command for special processing or > ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx > program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something happening > with ISPSTART. > > Billy > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Carmen Vitullo" > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM > Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing > > >Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? > > > >I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that manage > TPX thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your session in > split screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit > > > > > >Carmen > > > > > >On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: > >>Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help > me here. > >> > >>I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs > into TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF > and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, > but he has no idea how. > >> > >>Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get > processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have > commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? > >> > >>Thank you for your kind thoughts! > >> > >>Billy > >> > >> > >>-- > >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > >-- *Carmen Vitullo* > > > >/“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to > succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ > > > > > >-- > >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
ISRPCP calls ISPSTART under the covers; they are both commands and are either in the LPA or the link list. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Billy Ashton [bill00ash...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 11:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user selects either a specific application command for special processing or ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something happening with ISPSTART. Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Carmen Vitullo" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing >Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? > >I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that manage TPX >thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your session in split >screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit > > >Carmen > > >On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: >>Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help me >>here. >> >>I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs into >>TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has >>one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has >>no idea how. >> >>Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get >>processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have >>commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? >> >>Thank you for your kind thoughts! >> >>Billy >> >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >-- *Carmen Vitullo* > >/“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, >but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
Excellent, thanks for letting everyone know Carmen On 6/9/2021 11:24 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: Well, Kolusu has hit on the edge of the bullseye! I searched the ISPPROF file, and found the split and swap command string in the ISPPROF member. It took a little magic from an old Rexx I had from who knows when (called ProfRead) that showed there is a ZSTART variable in ISPPROF. Closer look at the 7.3 function shows that only deals with ISRPROF, which is why I could not find it earlier. We were able to delete this variable from the table, and now we get the expected results. Thank you to all who had some great input - I now know lots of ways to get this result if I need them! Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Sri h Kolusu" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:55:04 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing did not see anything for ZSTART or any variable with a Split or Swap command. Billy, I would then check if the user has any recorded macros that gets executed at logon. Does the same thing happen if that user logs on from a different PC ? I would also check USERID.ISPF.PROFILE dataset and do a SRCHFOR for SWAP/SPLIT and see if you can find it loaded in the profile. The Member ISRPROF should shed some light on this Thanks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
Well, Kolusu has hit on the edge of the bullseye! I searched the ISPPROF file, and found the split and swap command string in the ISPPROF member. It took a little magic from an old Rexx I had from who knows when (called ProfRead) that showed there is a ZSTART variable in ISPPROF. Closer look at the 7.3 function shows that only deals with ISRPROF, which is why I could not find it earlier. We were able to delete this variable from the table, and now we get the expected results. Thank you to all who had some great input - I now know lots of ways to get this result if I need them! Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Sri h Kolusu" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:55:04 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing did not see anything for ZSTART or any variable with a Split or Swap command. Billy, I would then check if the user has any recorded macros that gets executed at logon. Does the same thing happen if that user logs on from a different PC ? I would also check USERID.ISPF.PROFILE dataset and do a SRCHFOR for SWAP/SPLIT and see if you can find it loaded in the profile. The Member ISRPROF should shed some light on this Thanks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: ISPF startup processing
I noticed a reference to an ACL in the TPX profile. That ACL can issue commands - you should check he isn’t running a customized ACL there Jerry Whitteridge jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop Albertsons Companies -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of DAL POS Raphael Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 9:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: ISPF startup processing If the logon procedure "dump" the user to the TSO READY prompt what happens if he enters ISPSTART only? Or ISPSTART BASIC -- Raphael Dal Pos / z/OS Support GOSP Generali Operations Services Platform Infrastructure Services/Technologie et Services Locaux France 11-17, Avenue François Mitterrand 93200 Saint Denis / France Wilo W 03 B1 029C Snow : GIS-SEC-RACF_FR raphael.dal...@generali.com +(33)1-58-38-59-67 or mobile +(33)6.24.33.20.87 -- "MVS: Guilty, until proven innocent !!" RDP 2009 -Message d'origine- De : IBM Mainframe Discussion List De la part de Billy Ashton Envoyé : mercredi 9 juin 2021 17:13 À : IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Objet : Re: ISPF startup processing The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user selects either a specific application command for special processing or ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something happening with ISPSTART. Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Carmen Vitullo" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing >Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? > >I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that manage >TPX thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your >session in split screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit > > >Carmen > > >On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: >>Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help me >>here. >> >>I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs into >>TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has >>one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has >>no idea how. >> >>Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get >>processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have >>commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? >> >>Thank you for your kind thoughts! >> >>Billy >> >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >-- *Carmen Vitullo* > >/“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to >succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham >Lincoln/ > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
If the logon procedure "dump" the user to the TSO READY prompt what happens if he enters ISPSTART only? Or ISPSTART BASIC -- Raphael Dal Pos / z/OS Support GOSP Generali Operations Services Platform Infrastructure Services/Technologie et Services Locaux France 11-17, Avenue François Mitterrand 93200 Saint Denis / France Wilo W 03 B1 029C Snow : GIS-SEC-RACF_FR raphael.dal...@generali.com +(33)1-58-38-59-67 or mobile +(33)6.24.33.20.87 -- "MVS: Guilty, until proven innocent !!" RDP 2009 -Message d'origine- De : IBM Mainframe Discussion List De la part de Billy Ashton Envoyé : mercredi 9 juin 2021 17:13 À : IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Objet : Re: ISPF startup processing The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user selects either a specific application command for special processing or ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something happening with ISPSTART. Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Carmen Vitullo" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing >Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? > >I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that manage >TPX thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your >session in split screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit > > >Carmen > > >On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: >>Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help me >>here. >> >>I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs into >>TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has >>one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has >>no idea how. >> >>Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get >>processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have >>commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? >> >>Thank you for your kind thoughts! >> >>Billy >> >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >-- *Carmen Vitullo* > >/“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to >succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham >Lincoln/ > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
>>did not see anything for ZSTART or any variable with a Split or Swap command. Billy, I would then check if the user has any recorded macros that gets executed at logon. Does the same thing happen if that user logs on from a different PC ? I would also check USERID.ISPF.PROFILE dataset and do a SRCHFOR for SWAP/SPLIT and see if you can find it loaded in the profile. The Member ISRPROF should shed some light on this Thanks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hey Billy, we use TPX also, for now - my TPX guru is OOTO currently, but I know for me it was hard to find myself. let us know what you find if you can thinking some more, maybe the emulator? an emulator macro ? just thinking out loud here Carmen On 6/9/2021 10:46 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: Hi Carmen, we use TPX here. I had a look at the user's setup, and for TSO they have only the APPLID, Modent, and ACL defined - all the rest are blank. Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Carmen Vitullo" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:37:11 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing I still think there's a possibility its the session manager, most SM's can execute logon scripts, or macro's during signin, what SM do you use? the macro's or scripts can be user or group specific Carmen On 6/9/2021 10:30 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: Kolusu and Raphael, we checked 7.3, and issued L ZSTART, and in fact, scrolled through all 900 variables, and did not see anything for ZSTART or any variable with a Split or Swap command. Next thoughts? This is really a strange puzzle... Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Sri h Kolusu" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:17:15 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing r example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has no idea how. Billy, He probably has ZSTART coded. Check for the variable ZSTART from option 7.3 and it should show you how the 5 split screens are set up Thanks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
Hi Carmen, we use TPX here. I had a look at the user's setup, and for TSO they have only the APPLID, Modent, and ACL defined - all the rest are blank. Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Carmen Vitullo" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:37:11 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing I still think there's a possibility its the session manager, most SM's can execute logon scripts, or macro's during signin, what SM do you use? the macro's or scripts can be user or group specific Carmen On 6/9/2021 10:30 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: Kolusu and Raphael, we checked 7.3, and issued L ZSTART, and in fact, scrolled through all 900 variables, and did not see anything for ZSTART or any variable with a Split or Swap command. Next thoughts? This is really a strange puzzle... Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Sri h Kolusu" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:17:15 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing r example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has no idea how. Billy, He probably has ZSTART coded. Check for the variable ZSTART from option 7.3 and it should show you how the 5 split screens are set up Thanks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
I still think there's a possibility its the session manager, most SM's can execute logon scripts, or macro's during signin, what SM do you use? the macro's or scripts can be user or group specific Carmen On 6/9/2021 10:30 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: Kolusu and Raphael, we checked 7.3, and issued L ZSTART, and in fact, scrolled through all 900 variables, and did not see anything for ZSTART or any variable with a Split or Swap command. Next thoughts? This is really a strange puzzle... Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Sri h Kolusu" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:17:15 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing r example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has no idea how. Billy, He probably has ZSTART coded. Check for the variable ZSTART from option 7.3 and it should show you how the 5 split screens are set up Thanks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Use 3.14 and search for the string in all your SYSEXEC and SYSPROC datasets. That may help in the troubleshooting. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Billy Ashton Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 11:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing Kolusu and Raphael, we checked 7.3, and issued L ZSTART, and in fact, scrolled through all 900 variables, and did not see anything for ZSTART or any variable with a Split or Swap command. Next thoughts? This is really a strange puzzle... Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Sri h Kolusu" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:17:15 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing >>>r example, while everyone else starts >> ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined >> and named, but he has no idea how. > >Billy, > >He probably has ZSTART coded. Check for the variable ZSTART from option >7.3 and it should show you how the 5 split screens are set up > >Thanks, >Kolusu > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Kolusu and Raphael, we checked 7.3, and issued L ZSTART, and in fact, scrolled through all 900 variables, and did not see anything for ZSTART or any variable with a Split or Swap command. Next thoughts? This is really a strange puzzle... Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Sri h Kolusu" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:17:15 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing r example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has no idea how. Billy, He probably has ZSTART coded. Check for the variable ZSTART from option 7.3 and it should show you how the 5 split screens are set up Thanks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Shalom Itschak, as I would have thought, the Command field is empty, which is why it sits at the READY prompt. -- Original Message -- From: "ITschak Mugzach" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:12:27 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing In the logon screen, what is written in the command field? This is part of the racf Tao segment and loaded at logon time. Maybe it is isotope;split;split;split ITschak בתאריך יום ד׳, 9 ביוני 2021 ב-17:59 מאת Billy Ashton : Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help me here. I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs into TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has no idea how. Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? Thank you for your kind thoughts! Billy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for z/OS, x/Linux & IBM I **| z/VM coming soon * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hi Billy, Look at variable ZSTART under ISPF 7.3 for this user. I have it set up with something like this: ZSTART P ISPF;3.4;split new;3.4;split new;3.4;split new;8;swap 1 It starts automagically a few ISPF windows. Ciao, -- Raphael Dal Pos / z/OS Support GOSP Generali Operations Services Platform Infrastructure Services/Technologie et Services Locaux France 11-17, Avenue François Mitterrand 93200 Saint Denis / France Wilo W 03 B1 029C Snow : GIS-SEC-RACF_FR raphael.dal...@generali.com +(33)1-58-38-59-67 or mobile +(33)6.24.33.20.87 -- "MVS: Guilty, until proven innocent !!" RDP 2009 -Message d'origine- De : IBM Mainframe Discussion List De la part de Billy Ashton Envoyé : mercredi 9 juin 2021 17:13 À : IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Objet : Re: ISPF startup processing The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user selects either a specific application command for special processing or ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something happening with ISPSTART. Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Carmen Vitullo" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing >Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? > >I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that manage >TPX thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your >session in split screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit > > >Carmen > > >On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: >>Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help me >>here. >> >>I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs into >>TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has >>one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has >>no idea how. >> >>Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get >>processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have >>commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? >> >>Thank you for your kind thoughts! >> >>Billy >> >> >>-- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >-- *Carmen Vitullo* > >/“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to >succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham >Lincoln/ > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
>>r example, while everyone else starts > ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and > named, but he has no idea how. Billy, He probably has ZSTART coded. Check for the variable ZSTART from option 7.3 and it should show you how the 5 split screens are set up Thanks, Kolusu -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
The TSO logon script dumps the user to a READY prompt. Then the user selects either a specific application command for special processing or ISPSTART to get into ISPF. I don't see a special ISPSTART Clist/Rexx program in his Sysproc or Sysexec, so there must be something happening with ISPSTART. Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Carmen Vitullo" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 6/9/2021 11:06:01 AM Subject: Re: ISPF startup processing Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that manage TPX thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your session in split screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit Carmen On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help me here. I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs into TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has no idea how. Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? Thank you for your kind thoughts! Billy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
In the logon screen, what is written in the command field? This is part of the racf Tao segment and loaded at logon time. Maybe it is isotope;split;split;split ITschak בתאריך יום ד׳, 9 ביוני 2021 ב-17:59 מאת Billy Ashton : > Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help > me here. > > I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs > into TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts > ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and > named, but he has no idea how. > > Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get > processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have > commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? > > Thank you for your kind thoughts! > > Billy > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Continuous Monitoring for z/OS, x/Linux & IBM I **| z/VM coming soon * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
Maybe the session manager - startup logon script? I recall when I started at my current job the systems folks that manage TPX thought it was a great idea to start a script that puts your session in split screen, one screen SDSF, one ISPF edit Carmen On 6/9/2021 9:58 AM, Billy Ashton wrote: Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help me here. I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs into TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has no idea how. Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? Thank you for your kind thoughts! Billy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- *Carmen Vitullo* /“I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to what light I have.” ― Abraham Lincoln/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ISPF startup processing
Look for a logon clist/rexx being executed just prior to getting to the IPSF primary menu. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Billy Ashton Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 10:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: ISPF startup processing Hello all...I don't know if there is an ISPF list, but hope you can help me here. I have a user that is having some strange things happening when he logs into TSO and goes into ISPF. For example, while everyone else starts ISPF and has one window open, this user has 5 split screens defined and named, but he has no idea how. Can someone tell me if there is a way to trace all the commands that get processed when he enters ISPSTART, or is there some magic way to have commands like multiple split screens issued automatically? Thank you for your kind thoughts! Billy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
