AW: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Peter Hunkeler]

Hello Harry,thank you very much for you response, and especially for picking 
this up.
I know the subject I chose was a bit harshly formulated, but I did this on 
purpose. I was hoping that it would get things going, and it did. I'm grateful.

Best regardsPeter
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[A. Harry Williams]

Dear Peter
  I apologize for not responding sooner to your plea for help, but I do want to 
publicly respond on behalf of SHARE.

SHARE is a community of people representing users of enterprise technology.  As 
such, we regularly participate in discussions with various vendors in the Z 
ecosystem to influence the ability of those within the ecosystem to accomplish 
their business objectives, and that includes regular conversations with IBM.  
We do often find that open, frank conversations in private achieves more than 
ass-kicking in public so our response may be quieter.  Because of you and 
others, we are aware of the situation with z/OS 2.1 documentation and others 
that are at risk.

For the information of IBM-MAIN readers, several members of the SHARE community 
have been actively engaging IBM on this issue for some weeks now, through a 
variety of formal as well as informal channels.  As those efforts continue, 
please be assured that SHARE’s leadership is well aware of the concern and 
stands ready to assist as appropriate.

SHARE is always willing to listen in order to determine if there is a role that 
we can and should play to solve a problem that is impacting the ecosystem, 
regardless if someone is a Member of SHARE.  The best way to reach out to  us 
to start those conversations is via email to  shar...@share.org

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Tom Marchant]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 17:18:08 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>there are legitimate reasons to search for old manuals.

Indeed. Questions arise on here often enough about when something was 
introduced or changed. I occasionally refer to MVS V4 or V5 documentation, 
and even look for early MVS and OS/360 documentation on bitsavers.org.

IMO, there is absolutely no excuse for deleting documentation for z/OS 2.1, 
a release that has not yet reached end of service.

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Mike Hochee]

Hi Sue, 

It is working again now,  and I'm noticing an updated look and feel with the 
2.2 Elements and Features page.  In my previous attempts, I opened new z.OS 2.2 
Elements and Features tabs. This time however, I shutdown all tabs and 
restarted the browser.  Regardless, it's working - Thank you. 

Mike 

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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 4:53 PM
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Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
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Hi Mike,

I'm unable to replicate your problem. Please contact me directly and we can try 
to get to the bottom of it. Thanks!

-Sue Shumway

On 06/21/18 3:47 PM, Mike Hochee wrote:
> Yes, extremely well stated, and timely too!.
> 
> Ironically, it looks like the z/OS 2.2 Elements and Features pdf link 
> https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r2-pdf-download?OpenDocument
>  now points at numerous z/OS 2.1 manuals.  I don't know how extensive the 
> problem is, but all the manuals I checked under the z/OS MVS and RMF sections 
> were 2.1 manuals.  Oh well!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of zMan
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:30 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
> their web content?
> 
> Good article, of course, Cheryl.
> 
> The one thing it didn't mention is that maintenance of these sites is being 
> moved overseas. That's not inherently bad, except that it inevitably leads to 
> a loss of tribal knowledge, which may be how these huge omissions occurred.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Chuck Kreiter 
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I was shocked when this article showed up on my front page on Reddit.
>> Perfectly stated!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
>> On Behalf Of Cheryl Watson
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:42 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've 
>> done with their web content?
>>
>> Here's our take on this issue -
>>
>> http://watsonwalker.com/what-is-happening-with-ibms-websites/
>>
>> All my best,
>> Cheryl
>>
>> ===
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Susan Shumway]

Hi Mike,

I'm unable to replicate your problem. Please contact me directly and we 
can try to get to the bottom of it. Thanks!


-Sue Shumway

On 06/21/18 3:47 PM, Mike Hochee wrote:

Yes, extremely well stated, and timely too!.

Ironically, it looks like the z/OS 2.2 Elements and Features pdf link 
https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r2-pdf-download?OpenDocument
 now points at numerous z/OS 2.1 manuals.  I don't know how extensive the 
problem is, but all the manuals I checked under the z/OS MVS and RMF sections 
were 2.1 manuals.  Oh well!

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of zMan
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:30 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
their web content?

Good article, of course, Cheryl.

The one thing it didn't mention is that maintenance of these sites is being 
moved overseas. That's not inherently bad, except that it inevitably leads to a 
loss of tribal knowledge, which may be how these huge omissions occurred.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Chuck Kreiter 
wrote:


I was shocked when this article showed up on my front page on Reddit.
Perfectly stated!

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
On Behalf Of Cheryl Watson
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:42 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've
done with their web content?

Here's our take on this issue -

http://watsonwalker.com/what-is-happening-with-ibms-websites/

All my best,
Cheryl

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Mike Hochee]

Yes, extremely well stated, and timely too!.  

Ironically, it looks like the z/OS 2.2 Elements and Features pdf link 
https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r2-pdf-download?OpenDocument
 now points at numerous z/OS 2.1 manuals.  I don't know how extensive the 
problem is, but all the manuals I checked under the z/OS MVS and RMF sections 
were 2.1 manuals.  Oh well!  

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of zMan
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:30 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
their web content?

Good article, of course, Cheryl.

The one thing it didn't mention is that maintenance of these sites is being 
moved overseas. That's not inherently bad, except that it inevitably leads to a 
loss of tribal knowledge, which may be how these huge omissions occurred.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Chuck Kreiter 
wrote:

> I was shocked when this article showed up on my front page on Reddit.
> Perfectly stated!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Cheryl Watson
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:42 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've 
> done with their web content?
>
> Here's our take on this issue -
>
> http://watsonwalker.com/what-is-happening-with-ibms-websites/
>
> All my best,
> Cheryl
>
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[zMan]

Good article, of course, Cheryl.

The one thing it didn't mention is that maintenance of these sites is being
moved overseas. That's not inherently bad, except that it inevitably leads
to a loss of tribal knowledge, which may be how these huge omissions
occurred.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Chuck Kreiter 
wrote:

> I was shocked when this article showed up on my front page on Reddit.
> Perfectly stated!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Cheryl Watson
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:42 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done
> with their web content?
>
> Here's our take on this issue -
>
> http://watsonwalker.com/what-is-happening-with-ibms-websites/
>
> All my best,
> Cheryl
>
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Chuck Kreiter]

I was shocked when this article showed up on my front page on Reddit.  
Perfectly stated!

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Cheryl Watson
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:42 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
their web content?

Here's our take on this issue - 

http://watsonwalker.com/what-is-happening-with-ibms-websites/

All my best,
Cheryl

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Seymour J Metz]

She generally is nice.

BTW, for those who don't know who she is, I strongly recommend that you take a 
look at her newsletters.


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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:32 PM
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Except she was polite about it!

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Of Charles Mills
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:29 AM
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As would be expected, Cheryl absolutely nailed it!

Charles


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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Carmen Vitullo]

Indeed! and articulated the z communities outage in a most civil manner 
thank you Cheryl 


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Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
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As would be expected, Cheryl absolutely nailed it! 

Charles 


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Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
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Here's our take on this issue - 

http://watsonwalker.com/what-is-happening-with-ibms-websites/ 

All my best, 
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Except she was polite about it!

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As would be expected, Cheryl absolutely nailed it!

Charles


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Here's our take on this issue -

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[Charles Mills]

As would be expected, Cheryl absolutely nailed it!

Charles


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Here's our take on this issue - 

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[David Crayford]

On 15/06/2018 8:29 PM, Jerry Callen wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 11:27:47 -0500, Mike Schwab  wrote:


Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
the newest release.

OK, here's a constructive proposal: there should be a single HTML-based web 
tree that contains the doc for the MOST CURRENT VERSION of z/OS. Each page 
would then have a menu dropdown to allow you to select an earlier release. The 
URLs for the current pages would be kept STABLE, so that links from other pages 
won't go dead when future releases come out.


That's how everybody else does it! Why IBM do not is nothing short of a 
disgrace.




The web designers would use robots.txt or whatever to keep crawlers out of the back level 
doc, so that only the most current doc is indexed. The when you search for "IDCAMS 
REPRO", you get the hits to the LATEST doc, but can find the back-level stuff easily 
enough.

I agree that the PDFs are valuable (I use them all the time), but it's ALSO 
really handy to be able to embed a link to the EXACT SPOT n the documentation 
that I am referring to, and that requires a URL to a page, not to a PTF.

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Seymour J Metz]

IMHO, IBM should be very cautious about using noindex and robots.txt; there are 
legitimate reasons to search for old manuals.


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This may have been said before, but if IBM wanted to remove stuff, the
appropriate way is to:

1) use robots.txt or equivalent to exclude the to-be-deleted documents from
search indexes
2) wait some period of time for crawlers to re-index
3) Remove the pages

Google in particular I believe has some tools that you can use to
pro-actively remove pages from their indexes.   If they aren't bring these
pages back, then this is what they should do to clean up the mess that they
have made.

Dealing with search indexes is something that professional web site
publishers should know how to do.

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On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Ed Jaffe 
wrote:

> On 6/14/2018 9:27 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:
>
>> Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
>> command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
>> the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
>> check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
>> the newest release.
>>
>
> No argument there, but saying that provides no rationale or justification
> for removal of the z/OS 2.1 KC content which is what this thread is about...
>
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Seymour J Metz]

Isn't there provision for anchors in the current version of PDF?


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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 8:29 AM
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 11:27:47 -0500, Mike Schwab  wrote:

>Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
>command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
>the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
>check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
>the newest release.

OK, here's a constructive proposal: there should be a single HTML-based web 
tree that contains the doc for the MOST CURRENT VERSION of z/OS. Each page 
would then have a menu dropdown to allow you to select an earlier release. The 
URLs for the current pages would be kept STABLE, so that links from other pages 
won't go dead when future releases come out.

The web designers would use robots.txt or whatever to keep crawlers out of the 
back level doc, so that only the most current doc is indexed. The when you 
search for "IDCAMS REPRO", you get the hits to the LATEST doc, but can find the 
back-level stuff easily enough.

I agree that the PDFs are valuable (I use them all the time), but it's ALSO 
really handy to be able to embed a link to the EXACT SPOT n the documentation 
that I am referring to, and that requires a URL to a page, not to a PTF.

-- Jerry

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Jerry Callen]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 11:27:47 -0500, Mike Schwab  wrote:

>Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
>command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
>the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
>check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
>the newest release.

OK, here's a constructive proposal: there should be a single HTML-based web 
tree that contains the doc for the MOST CURRENT VERSION of z/OS. Each page 
would then have a menu dropdown to allow you to select an earlier release. The 
URLs for the current pages would be kept STABLE, so that links from other pages 
won't go dead when future releases come out.

The web designers would use robots.txt or whatever to keep crawlers out of the 
back level doc, so that only the most current doc is indexed. The when you 
search for "IDCAMS REPRO", you get the hits to the LATEST doc, but can find the 
back-level stuff easily enough.

I agree that the PDFs are valuable (I use them all the time), but it's ALSO 
really handy to be able to embed a link to the EXACT SPOT n the documentation 
that I am referring to, and that requires a URL to a page, not to a PTF.

-- Jerry

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:33:03 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:

>On 6/14/2018 9:27 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:
>> Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
>> command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
>> the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
>> check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
>> the newest release.
>
>No argument there, but saying that provides no rationale or
>justification for removal of the z/OS 2.1 KC content which is what this
>thread is about...

Used to be, I recall, that many of the doc pages had pop-ups allowing the
reader to select other releases of the equivalent topic.

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Kirk Wolf]

This may have been said before, but if IBM wanted to remove stuff, the
appropriate way is to:

1) use robots.txt or equivalent to exclude the to-be-deleted documents from
search indexes
2) wait some period of time for crawlers to re-index
3) Remove the pages

Google in particular I believe has some tools that you can use to
pro-actively remove pages from their indexes.   If they aren't bring these
pages back, then this is what they should do to clean up the mess that they
have made.

Dealing with search indexes is something that professional web site
publishers should know how to do.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Ed Jaffe 
wrote:

> On 6/14/2018 9:27 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:
>
>> Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
>> command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
>> the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
>> check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
>> the newest release.
>>
>
> No argument there, but saying that provides no rationale or justification
> for removal of the z/OS 2.1 KC content which is what this thread is about...
>
>
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Ed Jaffe]

On 6/14/2018 9:27 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:

Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
the newest release.


No argument there, but saying that provides no rationale or 
justification for removal of the z/OS 2.1 KC content which is what this 
thread is about...


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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Carmen Vitullo]

It works for me but for me and I think others that is not the point, a google, 
bing or even an IBM site search brings up 2.1 links to pages that no longer 
exist and I didn't search for 2.1 content, no other hits come back for 2.2 or 
2.3, all searches link you to 2.1 KC that not there. 
I'll stick to the PDF manuals I've downloaded, hopefully that will not go away, 
and search for what I need on my local MICROSOFT SHARE. 



Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "John Eells"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 11:01:12 AM 
Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
their web content? 

Does this link not work for everyone? 

https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument
 

I fully recognize that this is not the full complement of what was 
available before, but my (only) point is that the 2.1 documentation 
seems to be available. 

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Cheryl Watson]

Hi Tom and Ed,

I agree!  This is one of the biggest mistakes IBM has ever made.  I'm very 
outraged.  Someone else on the MXG list was looking for the LPAR Design tool 
and I ended up posting this:

-Original Message-
From: MXG Software LIST [mailto:mx...@peach.ease.lsoft.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl 
Watson
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 8:40 AM
To: mx...@peach.ease.lsoft.com
Subject: Re: [MXG-L] HiperDispatch & WLM

Hi Otto,

Here's the direct link, but IBM has made it almost impossible to find - 
https://github.com/IBM/IBM-Z-zOS/blob/master/zOS-WLM/WLM%20Tools.pdf.  
Unfortunately, the download links on this page don't work for me under Chrome 
or Firefox.  If anyone can get to them, please post a reply.

Here's how I found the path:

>From the link below, scroll all the way down (past the marketing fluff), to 
>where it says 'Guides' on the left and 'z/OS Workload Management/WLM FAQs' on 
>the right.  Below 'Guides', click on the faint 'More resources' that takes you 
>to another page; then click on 'Explore WLM Resources'; then click on 'WLM 
>Tools.pdf'; then scroll down to find the tool.  I wished the links worked for 
>me.

I'm sorry that IBM corporate has done this to the WLM team, but this website 
redesign has simply gone too far.  I think it's one of the biggest mistakes 
(besides firing some of the most talented people in the industry) that IBM has 
made since letting Ginni loose with the hatchet.  I'm incensed!  If you'd like 
us to host your WLM tools on our own website, we're always willing to do that.

Distressed,
Cheryl


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Phone: 941-924-6565
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Ed 
Jaffe
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 10:54 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
their web content?

On 6/14/2018 6:05 AM, Tom Conley wrote:
>
> ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A 
> GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!
>
> Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as 
> far as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.

There is no justification for having removed this doc. z/OS 2.1 is still in 
service...

https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?htmlfid=ZSL03438USEN

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[Peter Hunkeler]

>Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
the newest manual.



Very good point! I strongly prefer to read PDFs over KC web pages when I need 
to read more than a few paragraphs. However, with the change to continuous 
delivery, online documentation, being up to date, is required.


I have a couple of gigabytes of z/OS related PDFs on my workstation, and on my 
iPad. However, I always look up the newest issue on the web when something 
looks odd. Maybe a PTF has introduced new behaviour.


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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Tom Conley]

On 6/14/2018 12:01 PM, John Eells wrote:

Does this link not work for everyone?

https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument 



I fully recognize that this is not the full complement of what was 
available before, but my (only) point is that the 2.1 documentation 
seems to be available.




FYI,

I apologize to my good friend, the distinguished gentleman from NY, and 
ask for unanimous consent to revise and extend my previous remarks.  I 
should have said:


ALL z/OS V2R1  CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A
GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!

THEY TOOK THE z/OS V2R1 KC DOC!! THE WHOLE BLEEPING z/OS V2R1 KC DOC!!

(I need a fifth of JD, quick).

Tom Conley

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[Peter Hunkeler]

>Does this link not work for everyone?
 >
>https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument


I can't tell if it is working for everyone, but I can confirm that is for me.


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[Allan Staller]

From: 
“https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosInternetLibrary”

Search using IBM Knowledge Center

| 
V2R3

| 
V2R2

| V2R1 | *

Search at the element or book level

| 
V2R3

| 
V2R2

| V2R1 | *




Neither item  is selectable for V2R1. As others have pointed out:

a)   V2R1 is still in service

b)  Google and other still return hits for the V2R1 KC (none of which work).



The PDF shelf seems to work.



On the plus side, I found this above “LookAt is back. IBM Look@ Knowledge 
Center
 prototype is a new version of the popular message look up tool.”  And seems to 
be a replacement for the BKSERV version.  Thank you IBM.



On the minus side, the V2R1 virus also seems to have infected the new LookAt.







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Does this link not work for everyone?



https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww-304.ibm.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzosv2r1-pdf-download%3FOpenDocument=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C713fd74730944dd8536508d5d2101f98%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C1%7C636645889058375795=RIvw9gr3LXPsl3J5IRj1eT3rhO%2F9tdGKEjNsI1C5qto%3D=0



I fully recognize that this is not the full complement of what was available 
before, but my (only) point is that the 2.1 documentation seems to be available.



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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Mike Schwab]

Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
the newest release.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 9:54 AM Ed Jaffe  wrote:
>
> On 6/14/2018 6:05 AM, Tom Conley wrote:
> >
> > ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A
> > GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!
> >
> > Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as
> > far as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.
>
> There is no justification for having removed this doc. z/OS 2.1 is still
> in service...
>
> https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?htmlfid=ZSL03438USEN
>
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[PINION, RICHARD W.]

That's not what most of us are complaining about.  It's when doing a Google 
search, and Google returns hits that are referencing the 2.1 manuals, which are 
not there.  And for whatever reason, Google is only returning hits on 2.1.

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Does this link not work for everyone?

https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument

I fully recognize that this is not the full complement of what was available 
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[John Eells]

Does this link not work for everyone?

https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument

I fully recognize that this is not the full complement of what was 
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Dejan Stamatovic]

On 6/14/2018 6:05 AM, Tom Conley wrote:
>
> ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A 
> GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!
>
> Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as 
> far as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.

There is no justification for having removed this doc. z/OS 2.1 is still 
in service...

https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?htmlfid=ZSL03438USEN


I totally subscribe to Edward E. Jaffe point of view!

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[John McKown]

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 9:54 AM Ed Jaffe 
wrote:

> On 6/14/2018 6:05 AM, Tom Conley wrote:
> >
> > ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A
> > GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!
> >
> > Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as
> > far as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.
>
> There is no justification for having removed this doc. z/OS 2.1 is still
> in service...
>

​IMO, this is a not-so-subtle way for IBM to say "If you want support or
even information, keep spending time and money to keep up to date." They
could make the site "static" for little cost (some disk, some CPU & memory,
some bandwidth) but perhaps they have some strange "justify your disk
usage" policy which mandates removing "obsolete" data as soon as possible.
Sounds like an PHB idea to me. Because everybody knows that empty disk (or
SSD) space costs​ less than one with actual data on it.




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[Jack J. Woehr]

On 6/14/2018 8:53 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A 
GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!! 



Stop whining and buy a used Power8 and install IBM i 7.3, "What z/OS 
should have been and never was" :)


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[Ed Jaffe]

On 6/14/2018 6:05 AM, Tom Conley wrote:


ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A 
GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!


Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as 
far as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.


There is no justification for having removed this doc. z/OS 2.1 is still 
in service...


https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?htmlfid=ZSL03438USEN

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Phil Carlyle]

Ok, let’s try this simple search – “VSAM DATA SET TYPES”

Results:

About this 
result
Selection of VSAM Data Set Types - 
IBM
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/.../dsfor.htm
1.  
Cached
2.  
Similar
Selection of VSAM Data Set Types. VSAM supports several data set types: 
entry-sequenced (ESDS), key-sequenced (KSDS), linear (LDS), fixed-length, and 
variable-length relative record (RRDS).
Summary of VSAM Data Set Types - 
IBM
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/.../d4264.htm
1.  
Cached
Table 1. Comparison of ESDS, KSDS, fixed-length RRDS, variable-length RRDS, and 
linear data sets. ESDS, KSDS, Fixed-Length RRDS, Variable-Length ...
VSAM and non-VSAM data set types and events - 
IBM
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSMPHH_9.../auvac036.html
1.  
Cached
InfoSphere Guardium S-TAP for Data Sets agent performs data set and record 
level monitoring for VSAM and non-VSAM data sets. The data set types, as well 
as ...

None of this links are good.

Results of links:

Documentation for z/OS V2.1.0 is no longer available in IBM Knowledge Center.
While the product version and release remains in service, you can find 
information in the following formats:

  *   Individual PDFs for downloading: 
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument
  *   z/OS V2R1 Adobe Indexed Collection (all PDFs with full text search via 
the free Adobe Acrobat Reader): 
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/zoslib/pdf/zosv2r1pdfcollection.zip
  *   IBM Knowledge Center plugins for downloading (for use with IBM Knowledge 
Center for z/OS): http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/zoslib/SSLTBW_2.1.0_4KC.jar.
For information about current releases of this product see 
http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW/welcome.
More information and resources are available at the IBM z/OS Internet Library: 
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosinternetlibrary?opendocument.
How’s that?   I consider that pretty intentional.


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Peter,

Others have made useful recommendations for the general situation.

For the specific disappearing doc that you encountered, I wonder whether it may 
have been an error rather than intentionally removed.  In either case, it may 
be useful to cite the specific doc that has become unavailable.  Quite likely, 
someone can help you find what you need.

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Phil Carlyle]

I’m afraid I agree, every link that had z/OS 2.1 ended up with “No Longer 
Available”.  The searches all ended in frustration.
The real question is “has IBM removed all of its z/OS documentation?”  Will 
this be repaired or are we all going to have to go back to paper?

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their web content?

I don't think it's actually the case that it was all removed, even
though I will agree that it is more difficult to find.  I thought
someone posted this link a few days ago, but it has been working fine
for me:

https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument

This is what I see one page level up from that:

z/OS Library
Search using IBM Knowledge Center  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 | *
Search at the element or book level  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 | *
Download books in PDF format  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |
Download Adobe Indexed PDF collection  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |
Download content for use with (KC)  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |

(I hope the formatting survives!)

Of those options, I see that there are no V2R1 links for the first two
(the search options), and no V2R2 link for the last one as I write this.

The biggest problem with this is the unavailability of release-specific
search for 2.1, and in not necessarily knowing what things documented in
KC and in the the PDFs for 2.2 and 2.3 are implemented on 2.1.  For all
practical purposes, with limited exceptions, though, all the information
you need for 2.1 is probably in the 2.2 books, too.

Behind the scenes, I know that people *are* working on this, even if the
fruits of their efforts have not yet become apparent.  I am pretty far
removed from those efforts, so I won't try to summarize status or
predict anything, but I can tell you that the issue has caught some
fairly high-level attention.

All that said, on behalf of IBM I can only apologize for the current
state of affairs.  Like you, I hope it is short-lived.

Tom Conley wrote:
> Years ago IBM spent many millions of dollars to convert all their
> documentation to KC.  The rationale was largely to make the doc
> searchable by Internet search engines like Google.  A week ago, someone
> at IBM unilaterally decided to remove this doc, immediately making
> Google searches against IBM doc completely worthless.  It's not just one
> or two documents or links.  ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE
> INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!
>
> Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as far
> as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Conley
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[John Eells]

I don't think it's actually the case that it was all removed, even 
though I will agree that it is more difficult to find.  I thought 
someone posted this link a few days ago, but it has been working fine 
for me:


https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument

This is what I see one page level up from that:

z/OS Library
Search using IBM Knowledge Center   | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 | *
Search at the element or book level | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 | *
Download books in PDF format| V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |
Download Adobe Indexed PDF collection   | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |
Download content for use with (KC)  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |

(I hope the formatting survives!)

Of those options, I see that there are no V2R1 links for the first two 
(the search options), and no V2R2 link for the last one as I write this.


The biggest problem with this is the unavailability of release-specific 
search for 2.1, and in not necessarily knowing what things documented in 
KC and in the the PDFs for 2.2 and 2.3 are implemented on 2.1.  For all 
practical purposes, with limited exceptions, though, all the information 
you need for 2.1 is probably in the 2.2 books, too.


Behind the scenes, I know that people *are* working on this, even if the 
fruits of their efforts have not yet become apparent.  I am pretty far 
removed from those efforts, so I won't try to summarize status or 
predict anything, but I can tell you that the issue has caught some 
fairly high-level attention.


All that said, on behalf of IBM I can only apologize for the current 
state of affairs.  Like you, I hope it is short-lived.


Tom Conley wrote:
Years ago IBM spent many millions of dollars to convert all their 
documentation to KC.  The rationale was largely to make the doc 
searchable by Internet search engines like Google.  A week ago, someone 
at IBM unilaterally decided to remove this doc, immediately making 
Google searches against IBM doc completely worthless.  It's not just one 
or two documents or links.  ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE 
INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!


Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as far 
as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.


Regards,
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[Carmen Vitullo]

hum my reply to this post via email is not gettingposted ?
trying again..

Totally agree ! very frustrating, what's more frustrating is I spent a good 
amount of time setting up a KC server on my local system and still the search 
engine is a JOKE. 
I have 2.2 KC and CICS (that's all I can get for 2.2) and I use the search bar 
for 'zos command' and get no search results!! really IBM??? 
I'm going back to downloading the doc(PDF)  to a windows share, at least I know 
i can 

1) find what I need

2) its searchable 

 
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Tom Conley]

On 6/14/2018 8:16 AM, Ralph Robison wrote:

Peter,

Others have made useful recommendations for the general situation.

For the specific disappearing doc that you encountered, I wonder whether it may 
have been an error rather than intentionally removed.  In either case, it may 
be useful to cite the specific doc that has become unavailable.  Quite likely, 
someone can help you find what you need.

Ralph



Years ago IBM spent many millions of dollars to convert all their 
documentation to KC.  The rationale was largely to make the doc 
searchable by Internet search engines like Google.  A week ago, someone 
at IBM unilaterally decided to remove this doc, immediately making 
Google searches against IBM doc completely worthless.  It's not just one 
or two documents or links.  ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE 
INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!


Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as far 
as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Ralph Robison]

Peter, 

Others have made useful recommendations for the general situation.

For the specific disappearing doc that you encountered, I wonder whether it may 
have been an error rather than intentionally removed.  In either case, it may 
be useful to cite the specific doc that has become unavailable.  Quite likely, 
someone can help you find what you need.

Ralph

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Seymour J Metz]

IMHO it's reasonable for IBM to steer customers to the Internet. Steering them 
to the WWW, especially to sites that don't have a stable URL, is another 
matter; I'd rather see FTP and SFTP sites for, e.g., downloading documentation, 
with stable host names.


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Subject: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their 
web content?

I'm not a SHARE member, but I understand SHARE does have some influence in what 
IBM does and does not do. I would appreciate if SHARE would immediately go 
strongly after IBM for what they are currently doing to their web content. I'm 
not in a position to do that, unfortunately. I know there are members on this 
list who have a deeper connection to SHARE. Can any of you help us, please?



This is sabotage! Sabotage to IBM's clients!



For the last couple of years, IBM (and other companies) have forced us towards 
the internet. Acquiring information in usable formats such as Bookmaster or 
PDFs was made harder and harder, if you were lucky you could find a place to 
download documentation. But the longer the more, documentation became available 
as webpages only, without the possibility to save a copy locally for later 
reference.


And now they feel comfortable to break that internet. Now they feel comfortable 
to remove content of products still in service.


I have no confidence in my own management whatsoever, so I won'd even try to 
tell then what is going on, and ask them for help by approaching IBM. It's a 
waste of time. And this is why I'm hoping for SHARE to support us in this matter




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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Linda]

Hi Peter,

I agree that the product vendor has the primary responsibility of providing 
clear, accurate, and readily available doc,  but I still like to have matching 
doc at the level I install and with a copy of my install notes, along with 
anything else that might come in handy if I need to respond to a problem while 
away from the shop. 

I like PrimoPDF, and Acrobat, and several of the others. Your preference and 
mileage may vary, of course. There are a number of others available as well.  
Some are free, a good number more are very reasonable. 

Having a USB stick of docs can also be very useful. I am particularly fond of 
having a PDF that matches the product install level, along with any other 
levels that might be useful. 

While I would like to see IBM's product libraries full and very reliably 
robust, with all of the levels we could ever want or need, ( even if we are 
behind in out product updates ), I can't imagine that every doc for everything 
will always be fingertip available.  It does take some extra work, but to me, 
it sure beats scrambling to find the doc I need when I need it. That goes 
double for any shop related settings or configuration doc. 

Just my 2 cents. YMMV may vary, of course.

Linda






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> On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:25 PM, Peter Hunkeler  wrote:
> 
> I'm not a SHARE member, but I understand SHARE does have some influence in 
> what IBM does and does not do. I would appreciate if SHARE would immediately 
> go strongly after IBM for what they are currently doing to their web content. 
> I'm not in a position to do that, unfortunately. I know there are members on 
> this list who have a deeper connection to SHARE. Can any of you help us, 
> please?
> 
> 
> 
> This is sabotage! Sabotage to IBM's clients!
> 
> 
> 
> For the last couple of years, IBM (and other companies) have forced us 
> towards the internet. Acquiring information in usable formats such as 
> Bookmaster or PDFs was made harder and harder, if you were lucky you could 
> find a place to download documentation. But the longer the more, 
> documentation became available as webpages only, without the possibility to 
> save a copy locally for later reference.
> 
> 
> And now they feel comfortable to break that internet. Now they feel 
> comfortable to remove content of products still in service.
> 
> 
> I have no confidence in my own management whatsoever, so I won'd even try to 
> tell then what is going on, and ask them for help by approaching IBM. It's a 
> waste of time. And this is why I'm hoping for SHARE to support us in this 
> matter
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[zMan]

There's nobody left at IBM who can fix this. Critical internal websites go
down for days. Another round of purges has started in POK. It's just a
matter of time now, and Ginny & co. are clueless.

They just keep cutting, looking for the elephant.

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 2:25 AM, Peter Hunkeler  wrote:

> I'm not a SHARE member, but I understand SHARE does have some influence in
> what IBM does and does not do. I would appreciate if SHARE would
> immediately go strongly after IBM for what they are currently doing to
> their web content. I'm not in a position to do that, unfortunately. I know
> there are members on this list who have a deeper connection to SHARE. Can
> any of you help us, please?
>
>
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> This is sabotage! Sabotage to IBM's clients!
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> For the last couple of years, IBM (and other companies) have forced us
> towards the internet. Acquiring information in usable formats such as
> Bookmaster or PDFs was made harder and harder, if you were lucky you could
> find a place to download documentation. But the longer the more,
> documentation became available as webpages only, without the possibility to
> save a copy locally for later reference.
>
>
> And now they feel comfortable to break that internet. Now they feel
> comfortable to remove content of products still in service.
>
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> I have no confidence in my own management whatsoever, so I won'd even try
> to tell then what is going on, and ask them for help by approaching IBM.
> It's a waste of time. And this is why I'm hoping for SHARE to support us in
> this matter
>
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>
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> Peter Hunkeler
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