>>>holar does teach farriery; gudmar learned it there,
But not state-of-the-art farriery. It seems to be pretty much limited to
"horseshoeing".
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i agree with
> *minimizing* risk -- which is why i am a complete control freak about
> helmets, borium in the winter, &c, and i quite agree with cancelling a
> sleigh ride if it's icy
Good on you! Kudos!
How do the following compare when riding on snowy / icey ground? What are
the mechani
Plus the new slip-on head collar (like a sidepull):
> http://astund.is/index.php?id=24&activemenu=24&prod_cat=84&catalog_item=1381
>
> Is that really like a sidepull, or is it more like a halter for leading?
> It
> looks to me like the lead-thingy (thingme?) goes under the jaw, making it
>
>> [] Horseshoes with nails
>
> Do you mean studs?
Yes, I meant to say "ice nails"; I should have said studs!
Judy
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> I feel like an outsider. I got my new barefoot arizona. Love it. I
> can't believe how cool treeless is. Lorraine
Why do you feel like an outsider? If you have a treeless, you are an
insider!!
Send pictures.
Can you see your messages now?
Judy
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>> >>>holar does teach farriery; gudmar learned it there,
>>
>> But not state-of-the-art farriery. It seems to be pretty much limited to
>> "horseshoeing".
>
> presumably one can learn state-of-the-art farriery at some
> more specialized place, or as an apprentice or somesuch, if
> one intends
>> For the most part, the iceland-style training works on forcing gait (for
>> example, with the heavy contact), or obtaining gait mechanically, by
>> manipulating shoes, angles, weights, concussion, etc.
>
> so you say. i did not, however, see this evident in the one
> shod-by-a-holar-alum hors
>>> how's that for a bunch of speculating?
Pretty good!
>> [] Horseshoes with borium
>
> VERY HARD AND VERY SLICK surfaces -- glare ice
> and marble floors -- they aren't sharp enough to cut in, and thus i have
> to walk a bit more carefully on them. but mostly they keep me from
> slipping to t
>> he studied equine science at holar university, which is considered
>> quite progressive).
>>
>> By whom?
>
> the people i've spoken to who plan to study there, or are alums.
My husband got a call from a pretty high-level person, asking for an
appointment to see him. This person wanted t
> For those who love long manes, here's a Morgan.
A few more pictures of Sonny.
Judy
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> My gelding is a tolt machine-no shoes, no boots, and tolts best on a
> loose rein! He came with regular shoes. We reset them at the first
> trim then left him barefoot for the winter. He is tolting the same as
> he did with shoes.
Great! It would be wonderful to see pictures of his tolt on a
> oh, i was meaning to post this -- he rode stjarni the other day, and
> said afterwards that he liked him very much, but he still "felt better
> balanced" on and preferred a *smaller* horse (like our dear old 12.3
> molly!) i'm trying to persuade him that he should ride some more
> icelandics :
By Brandon Carpenter, Part 1
Training is a term we have been conditioned to accept as done through tasks
and by using tools. This is true, but sometimes the tools we use, we cannot
see, taste, hear, smell or physically touch. If we cannot see or touch the
tool how can we use it? The sense we empl
> He is definately travelling ventroflexed. So are you. If you tip
> your pelvis slightly you will align your pelvic floor with his back.
> This will help to keep from driving his spine down. It will feel
> different to you, but will help if you contain your own frame with
> your stomach m
> I want to anlayze that trot and find out if there is something my
> naked eye isn't seeing.
This is a good idea, Wanda.
I'll try to get some videos, too. I'll be taking off for a week or so, so
I'm not sure if I can do them before leaving.
Judy
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> What does it mean when a horse moves away as soon as I start brushing,
> especially the chest area? I've tried a lighter touch and a stronger
> touch and my horse does not seem to like to be groomed. He has had
> chiro work and did not have any major issues.
Ljufur had his preference for the
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> made a nice dry paddock for us...my boys after they rolled around,
Trish, I've forgotten... have we seen closeups of their clips?
Charm's clip has made a world of difference for her. She's not nearly as
sweaty!
Judy
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>> mother not and this is
what we often are looking for.(can also tell you
that the mother is 5 gaited with only 7 for trot
Which back leg is which for the mare?
Judy
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>>>I´m attaching a pic that are not very ucommon sight foal gaiting
Nice picture!
Can you clarify the above? Not sure what you meant. Did you mean that it is
not very common to see a foal gaiting, or that it IS common to see a foal
gaiting? or ??
Thanks!
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> here. She ponied him out with his friend Otur and as they went faster he
> was in gait most of the time. She is going to try and get some short
> videos.
Wonderful! This will be great for us to learn from!
> When I started driving Segull he always offered tolt when asked to speed
> up.
>
>> Why do we
>> continue to have such an
>> expensive system to participate in?
>
> I think that's exactly it:)
We don't HAVE to accept that system.
Judy
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>> >>> You know, I actually think we on this list could
>> potentially be a
>> powerful force for change. I think that if we all
>> ganged up on "them
>> biddies" - you know who I mean - we could set some
>> changes in motion. But we
>> would have to
>> cooperate to get something good down in writ
Gudmar's interview is here:
http://iceryder.net/radioshow.html
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> I will try and find time to put up some 'neutral pelvis' exercise photos
Super! Thanks!
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"The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate,
contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and
unreali
> By Brandon Carpenter, Part 1
This is Part 2:
OK, we've recognized what we are doing; now how do we control it?
This part is so simple it seems hard. Remember, earlier I said thoughts are
things. If you think something, you make it so. You make it so in your
imagination therefore your body
> When did you ride in the snow in So Calif???
Oh, no, that was a picture from when we lived in Arizona, high desert!
Ramona is not far from us, maybe 45 minutes and I believe they periodically
*can* have some snow (but not long lasting); and Big Bear and Idyllwild are
only about an hour and
>> Start as a separate entity. Why bother wasting the energy to try to
>> change
>> that organization? It might be a good idea to put the positive energy
>> into
>> something that works for the US.
> I am not sure that a split would be the way to go. And I am also not
> certain
> that I would w
> what gait? here is a field trialer at the end coming past our
> trailer...
Did you happen to switch to video mode?
How fast was this horse going?
Depending on speed, I would say between fox walk and fox trot.
Judy
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> They wouldn't be happy, I believe they threatened to
> sue, maybe did sue, some people who decided they would
> start a different registry. Oh well. There are other
> horse breeds who have more than one organization.
It wouldn't be necessary to start a new registry. One registry is fine.
Mo
> Maybe it would be easier to get a group - like from the gaited horse
> list -
> and do something to recognize the concept of evaluating natural easy
> gaited
> horses of any breed???
Without speeding a lot of time thinking about it, my initial thoughts are that
it may not be needed in other
> She is now in our round pen with a shelter/run-in off to the side.
Congrats, Kate!
Take more pictures for us!
Judy
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqASDK1Anwc
It's not coming up for me, Virginia.
Maybe try to upload it on another site as well.
http://www.zippyvideos.com/
or some other one.
Judy
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>>>I've resisted the idea of a separate national
> organization up until now, but I think it IS time we do something.<<<
Well, it's not like there isn't another organization already, but it's focus is
about the same as the congress.
It might be nice to have something that places emphasis on the
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snW8yB_kJIk
Karen, it says they are private videos.
Judy
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>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqASDK1Anwc
>
> I just checked and it came up for me.
Still no load for me.
I did get the one of Gat jumping!
Judy
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> i'm fairly sure the rider in the rear is me on stjarni at an actual
> trot?
That has a more familiar look for a saddle rack, but hard to tell do you
have the original
version of that image? If you send it to me, I might be able to get a
better closeup.
Judy
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h
One of the first things that was mentioned is that the Icelandic Horse is
not a pony. I forget how he words it, but he says something like "a few of
them are pony-sized"
How about like 99 and 44/100% are pony sized?How about maybe only two
or three are over pony size?
And he mentions
> Cheryl sent this a couple of weeks ago. What do you think of this photo?
This is a hard one! Cheryl had agreed to have the photo posted on the
gaitedhorse list, and there were diverse responses, as I recall pace, rack,
canter. My feeling leans towards canter / gallop as the hind legs would
>> One of the first things that was mentioned is that the Icelandic Horse is
>> not a pony.
>
> this is a semantic argument.
He gave the wrong information and it is misleading people and
misrepresenting the breed.
And it has another effect:
How do you think he looks to American horsemen when h
http://iceryder.net/pace2.html
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Since I am on my soapbox. They are called Icelandic HORSES only
because they are horses not ponies.. <<<
Hi Christopher, could you explain how you come to the conclusion that the
Icelandics are horses and not ponies? How do you, as an individual, define
or separately categor
http://www.marisasano.ca/?p=161
Judy
> Since I am on my soapbox. They are called Icelandic HORSES only
> because they are horses not ponies.. <<<
>
> Hi Christopher, could you explain how you come to the conclusion that the
> Icelandics are horses and not ponies? How do you, as an individual,
> define
> or separately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4HcYCB-7eA
Judy
If Iceland has been eating their bad horses for a
thousand years why are there still bad horses to be eaten?
Has something gone wrong with the breeding program?
Is the emphasis on the right things?
Judy
> http://www.marisasano.ca/?p=161
Did anyone view this link? What was mentioned about the Icelandics?
Judy
>Judy will allow them to keep at it, so she must approve.
It can't be both ways... we can't blame the list owner and claim
there's censorship, and then complain because everyone gets to say
what they want to say.
Obviously, from the list guidelines that are posted biweekly, and from
several c
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4HcYCB-7eA
> I like that, I'm thinking, if I could do anything like
> that with my mule, it would be a miracle.
I think the journey towards that type of goal would be a fun thing to do.
How about this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRp3ng2fRw0
Judy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boWrO1rlefM
Judy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrVFNsw9CRk
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--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy Ryder wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4HcYCB-7eA
> Wow, Judy! You find some amazing videos! Beautiful
Thanks!
We would LOVE to see some Icelandic Horses represented in good
hor
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrVFNsw9CRk
You can watch or "subscribe" to all of the Quantum Savvy videos here:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=QuantumSavvy
This medium sure is great for helping in sharing good horsemanship.
Judy
> It really would be lovely to have videos like that with Icelandics.
> Wasn't there one once with a man from Hungary (?) with his Icelandic?
Honza? I think his horse is a Selle Francais
Honza videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUtLGETKDKU
or: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Boebe
Not the same as Parelli, or the Passenger Lessons, but similar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DeUka0-S2w
Judy
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tinajoyce said:
> My gelding is a tolt machine-no shoes, no boots, and tolts best on a
> loose rein! He came with regular shoes. We reset them at the first
> trim then left him barefoot for the winter. He is tolting the same as
> he did with shoes.
>>>Great! It would be wonderful to see pictu
> "When the horse screams in the only way he knows...
> with body language to make us understand that
> something is wrong humans call it "protest, stubborn,
> spoiled" for the horse it is his voice".
>
> I would like a TShirt that says that.
How 'bout this:
http://www.cafepress.com/iceryder.10
> http://www.anatomyinmotion.com/fschedule.htm
And who says they aren't listening to us!
We can pat ourselves on the back for being good leaders towards good
horsemanship and better riding skills for the horse!
Judy
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http://www.ansursaddle.com/dorsal_supplement_pad.htm
Comments?
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>From Lori:
I have a 16" brown leather FreeWest saddle, used for display only,
that is for sale. If your interested, contact me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
...Lori Baker
Fhoenix Agent, Sensation Dealer
http://www.profchoice.com/htmldocs/prd/western/prd/ponyc.html
http://www.montanacincha.com/premiumcinchescatalog.htm
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knew for sure that Gusti's
> harness would work.
Oh, my gosh! Our own list baby, all decked out in harness!
Judy
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> The question for me, however, is am I creating a monster by encouraging
> this
> bonding between them? Will I have trouble when I need to separate them
> for
> whatever reason?
I think it depends on the horses. There's so many things that come into
play, and one of the most important is t
Some savvy tips:
http://podcast.parelli.com/Parelli%20Natural%20Horsemanship/Podcast/Podcast.html
Judy
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Abstract:
At least three types of movement take place in the joint complexes of the
equine thoracolumbar spine: dorsoventral flexion and extension, axial
rotation and lateral bending. Using the standard right-handed Cartesian
coordinate system, these movements may be defined as rotation about the
Why do horses buck?
>From 100 Ways to Improve Your Horse's Behavior:
Horses usually buck because they are:
[] In pain, usually in the back but maybe elsewhere
[] Afraid the rider is going to cause them pain or distress
[] Not confirmed in going forwards reliably
[] Over-fed and under-exercised
[
>>>The average Icelandic horse lives for 30 winters
I wonder if there's any statistical data to support this?
Judy
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Another poem by Harold:
http://iceryder.net/nosale.html
Please feel free to forward.
Judy
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"Letters from Iceland is a first-class VIP travel book written by two poets;
it provides not only the usual armchair transport but also a vicarious
voyage into the past.
The period is 1936, and those who read this minor masterpiece for the first
time will be given a lively sense of what it was
>I saw this demonstrated at the horse fair. has anyone else seen it?
> I have also seen it on RFDTV. Its a torturous device! Who can we get
> to stop it...
Website: http://www.noavel.net/
Judy
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>I saw this demonstrated at the horse fair. has anyone else seen it?
> I have also seen it on RFDTV. Its a torturous device! Who can we get
> to stop it...
Here's a report from a farrier:
I met the guy that designed and built those headstalls at a clinic put on by
Ralph Casey. Got to watch
>From YG:
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Hi Christine, did you get the messages I sent about the book?
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> Does anyone on the list have a full blown SE case?
I think Barbara has one that she controls with the Flybegone stuff.
More info:
http://iceryder.net/se.html
Also spirulina is supposed to help the immune system:
http://iceryder.net/spirulina.html
Judy
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> Is any part of this video showing a flatwalk?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA3_rzcBndA
Looks like it, for a short time, as she starts to move out; maybe at the 14
/ 15 second mark to 19 seconds?
This would be a good video for the gaitedhorse list.
Judy
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The US Dept. of Environmental Protection has apparently decided that
animal manure is causing water quality issues.
In response, they have come up with some very heavy-handed proposed
regulations.
There are going to be two meetings in Ocala, FL to discuss the impact
of these regulations on
From Donna:
Hi all,
What a blast today was. Instructor is very good and has a great sense
of humor. Report on clinic to follow after tomorrow. Today's
obstacles, while spooky for alot of horses, were mild compared to what
comes tomorrow. Rumor is at some point when we walk over a teeter
totter a
A report by Donna:
I wanted to share just how darn proud I am of Harley and how he
handled the despooking clinic over the weekend. I'm always so hard on
myself about our progress and wish he'd settle down and relax around
other horses or stimulations. But after this weekend, I realized just
how
>From a blog about a trip to Iceland:
"Not far from Gull Falls you can climb Langjokull glacier, or a bit farther
on, Hofsjokull. Four-wheel-drive vehicles help as the interior is
periodically overrun by rugged lava spotted with phosphorescent green
lichen; amphibian buses easily cross seasonal po
> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=zKQgTiqhPbw
That was impressive to watch.
I actually surprised myself by noticing the mistake made by the mare, and
then having it confirmed by the commentator!
Judy
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Sunday, Day 2 - (long report-but check out video clip at end if you
don't want to read everything)
I arrived at my normal 1 hour early time and took advantage of the
round pen. Harley is always very alert and snorting and looking
around when we arrive anywhere. Even if it's a place we've been a
> My daughter, Alex turned 11 yesterday! She's growing so fast!
Beautiful! I remember her 10 year-old picture with the birthday cake.
Judy
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> I wonder where the rest of the post I typed went to
Sherrel, be sure to skip a few lines after the quoted text, putting
your response below the quotes.
It's easier to post when your email program is set to plain text.
Go to Tools > Options > Send > UNcheck the box that says "Reply in
> I haven't done much of this), and of course there's a
> canter in there (her favorite gait)! What do you think?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn9lOmnKPpw
Looks like lots of gaits in there! I downloaded the video and will try to
grab some stills when I have some time.
Judy
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> Beautiful to watch...poetry in motion. What does it mean, though,
> when
> the tail is always swishing? Is this just a habit type of thing? Trish
>
> I think, generically, tails swishing means the horse is stressed.
> However,
> I'd attribute this to a sort of physical/mental stre
Jean Francois Pignon will be at the British Open:
http://www.britishopenshowjumping.com/Pagebuilder.aspx?pagename=Latest%20News%20Jean%20Francois%20Pignon
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Response to Dr. Phil's comment on horse ownership as exercise:
At this time of year, after the holidays, ads for weight-loss
programs saturate print media and the airwaves. Even TV talk shows
devote time to "The battle of the Bulge". I caught part of a Dr. Phil
episode in which the prominent s
By Wrangler Jayne:
HORSES ARE PLAYFUL!
One of the most joyful - and enjoyable - things about horses is their
desire and willingness to play! They play with each other, with 'toys', with
us, with other animals!
Do you think your horse likes to play? How would you rate him or h
> exercise - and I simply enjoyed him. One day to my surprise, he had
> charged down the center to me and I guess something distracted me from
> saying 'boo'. As I stood there he impatiently dipped forward (I guess
> he was saying 'boo') and took off on his laps. It absolutely blew me
> away.
Schooling the Horse: The Importance of Lengthening the Neck
By Manolo Mendez, Professor of Classical Dressage
In the paddock or in the wild, we can see horses playing or challenging
each other with a naturally collected outline and a flexed poll. But a
horse will hold this posture for moments
> http://www.hoefkens.nl/friskur/fotos/werken_en_smullen/?img=007
>
> http://www.hoefkens.nl/friskur/fotos/werken_en_smullen/?img=008
>
> What is going on in these pics? Is this a baby being trained, and
> what sort of tie down are they using on him/her?
>
> Can someone explain to me the importan
> Sorry I didn't put in a subject AND forgot to downsize the photos! Shame
> on
> me!
Cherie, I didn't get anything from you on the list that didn't have a
subject and had pictures attached!
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> In the clicker book the author talks about PNH and isn't against it.
> On the Parelli list I questioned mixing methods and the response I've
> received so far is that clicker training is more conditioned response
> opposed to PNH where you develop the relationship--want vs make.
Interesting.
See this teaching-to-free-lunge video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmBWewGY_zw
Different objectives than what the horse, in the links Wanda provided, was
subjected to.
Judy
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Reasons why a horse should be able to maintain gait, speed, direction,
without contact on the reins, and to work off body signals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8a1AszGklc
Besides, if you have to keep both hands on the reins all the time, with
contact, you can't *do* anything!
Watch how the
>I would like a new poll for type of saddles we use. I ride in a
> torsion treeless and love it! Anyway, just a suggestion. ;)
Great suggestion!
You can login to YG and go to
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/polls
to create a poll.
That should be fun!
Judy
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I had thought once you sacked a horse out you
> didnt have to do it again...
I think many people think the same thing, but I don't believe that it's
true.
Sacking out is sort of like intense desensitization, which may not be
consistently reliable in the future, compared to a horse learning
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