Re: Gen-ART Telechat Review of draft-yusef-dispatch-ccmp-indication-06

2013-10-09 Thread Mary Barnes
Thanks Ben. We'll fix these nits in the next version. Mary. On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Ben Campbell b...@nostrum.com wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq.

Fwd: FW: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-yusef-dispatch-ccmp-indication-04

2013-09-17 Thread Mary Barnes
Hi Ben, I apologize for the delay in responding. I had initially missed this review - it either got cached directly with gen-art reviews or the tools alias burped. I'm not on the main IETF list with this email address. Anyways, thank you very much for your thorough review. Our responses are

Re: Mail lost yesterday

2013-08-30 Thread Mary Barnes
I will also add that when I requested it Steve sent me a list that indicated who sent what messages to the mailing lists that I moderate. That was really helpful as I could ping folks to resend and I was able to resend those that I had sent myself, so it wasn't too onerous to recover given that we

Re: Last call: draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn-16.txt

2013-08-27 Thread Mary Barnes
SM, As far as the IPR, as the shepherd and DISPATCH WG co-chair, I posted a note to the DISPATCH WG mailing list before progressing this document to see if anyone had any concerns about the IPR disclosures, which had been discussed in the past and were updated when I asked the authors the

Re: Berlin was awesome, let's come again

2013-08-02 Thread Mary Barnes
It was snowing the last time we were in Vancouver. While the snow melted quickly, the temp was quite brisk. There are many restaurants within walking distance so you would be wise to bring some layers of outerwear along with gloves, a hat and scarf. Mary On Friday, August 2, 2013, Deen, Glenn

Re: Berlin was awesome, let's come again

2013-08-02 Thread Mary Barnes
Overall, I agree that it was a good venue for getting work done overall. From my perspective, I would have preferred all the rooms be around the temperature that we had in the Charlottenbergs. Also, food was very hit or miss for me. The hotel breakfast was fine. I had two dinners that I am

Re: Berlin was awesome, let's come again

2013-08-02 Thread Mary Barnes
Yes, I meant to say the last time we were there in November (since that was what we were talking about). On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com wrote: On Fri, 2 Aug 2013, Mary Barnes wrote: It was snowing the last time we were in Vancouver. While the snow melted

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

2013-07-29 Thread Mary Barnes
We did a lunchtime tutorial for the CLUE WG in Vancouver. We had the Meetecho guys record it: http://ietf84.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Recorded_Sessions#IETF84_CLUE_TUTORIAL It worked quite well I think. I believe these sorts of tutorials would be extremely helpful for a number of WGs. Having

Re: I-D Action: draft-barnes-healthy-food-07.txt

2013-07-16 Thread Mary Barnes
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk wrote: I venture that starve is never a real outcome, but go to a supermarket or bring food in your luggage are alternatives that need some planning and

Re: I-D Action: draft-barnes-healthy-food-07.txt

2013-07-16 Thread Mary Barnes
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk wrote: Personally, I will strongly try to be vegetarian, but eat meat rather than starve (a situation that arises when travelling). if a venue is chosen that forces you (or me or others) into a meat or starve or, much

Re: I-D Action: draft-barnes-healthy-food-07.txt

2013-07-16 Thread Mary Barnes
some fasting, I would never choose a week where I am working 12-16 hours a day to do so. [/MB] ** ** Adrian ** ** *From:* Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.h.bar...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 16 July 2013 20:49 *To:* adr...@olddog.co.uk *Cc:* John C Klensin; draft-barnes-healthy-f

Re: Time Change [Sunday IAOC Overview Session at the Berlin IETF]

2013-07-16 Thread Mary Barnes
I had previously asked if the tutorials couldn't be shortened and start 30 minutes earlier so that none of them conflict the with newcomer's meet and greet. It makes little sense to me to have tutorials conflict with an event targeted at newcomers. While those of us that have been around for a

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-20 Thread Mary Barnes
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jorge Contreras cntre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Margaret Wasserman m...@lilacglade.org wrote: Hi Stewart, On Mar 20, 2013, at 2:04 AM, Stewart Bryant stbry...@cisco.com wrote: Age Disability Gender reassignment Marriage and

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-20 Thread Mary Barnes
As I understand it, Jorge is highlighting that he is not an expert in employment and Equal opportunity law. That is a specific expertise. On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM, tsg tglas...@earthlink.net wrote: On 03/20/2013 07:16 AM, Jorge Contreras wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:53 AM,

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-20 Thread Mary Barnes
ideas as considerations that we should be thinking about, not something where we should be striving for strict compliance. --Richard On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Jorge Contreras cntre...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-20 Thread Mary Barnes
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: On 03/20/2013 11:41 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: Given that folks are still debating whether this years nominees reflected a reasonable diversity (there were 9 women out of 37 nominees), I actually don't think

Re: meetecho praise

2013-03-18 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Hello. I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome

Re: meetecho praise

2013-03-18 Thread Mary Barnes
useful both during the meeting and for off-line access to the recorded sessions. Cheers, Simon Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com ha scritto: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Hello. I would just like to say I'm very

Re: recognition

2013-03-15 Thread Mary Barnes
Ralph also served as Nomcom chair 2005-2006 and past chair advisor 2006-2007! Mary. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: I wanted to give recognition to someone. As Ralph Droms stepped down from the IESG this week, he completed 24 continuous years of service

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-14 Thread Mary Barnes
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: Hi, Two suggestions that seemed easier to send in email than to stand in the mic line that I'd encourage people to think about... (1) I've found the Newcomer's Meet-and-Greet very useful in finding newcomers I want to

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-14 Thread Mary Barnes
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk wrote: Mary, I need to check but... [MB] What I find interesting is that there was 200+ newcomers, but I certainly didn't find that many at the meet and greet. I have to wonder whether this doesn't have to do with the

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-14 Thread Mary Barnes
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Loa Andersson l...@pi.nu wrote: All, This is the agenda for Sunday: 1000-1200 EDTIEPG Meeting - Caribbean 4 1100-1900 EDTIETF Registration - Caribbean Registration 1300-1450 EDTIEEE 802.1Q - Caribbean 5 1300-1450 EDTNewcomers' Orientation -

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-14 Thread Mary Barnes
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org wrote: On 3/14/2013 7:30 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Mary, I need to check but... [MB] What I find interesting is that there was 200+ newcomers, but I certainly didn't find that many at the meet and greet. I have to

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-14 Thread Mary Barnes
That's a really good idea! Mary. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: I think it might also be worth encouraging working group chairs to have working group breakfast or lunch meetings (RSVP required) where newcomers are invited to come meet the chairs and

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-12 Thread Mary Barnes
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Michael StJohns mstjo...@comcast.net wrote: At 07:56 AM 3/12/2013, Dan Harkins wrote: While these studies are interesting and thought provoking, I think it is wrong, and very dangerous, to use these studies to justify blanket statements about intelligence, group

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-12 Thread Mary Barnes
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Randall Gellens ra...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: At 2:03 PM -0500 3/11/13, Mary Barnes wrote: To suggest that someone is not qualified to be an AD because they shed tears in a contentious situation is unacceptable IMHO. I'm confused as to why that would

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-11 Thread Mary Barnes
Aboba Cathy Aronson Alia Atlas Mary Barnes Mohamed Boucadair Brian Carpenter Stuart Cheshire Alissa Cooper Spencer Dawkins Roni Even Janet Gunn Stephen Hanna Ted Hardie Sam Hartman Fangwei Hu Geoff Huston Christian Jacquenet Mirjam Kuehne Olaf Kolkman Suresh Krishnan Barry Leiba

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-11 Thread Mary Barnes
suggestions for longer-term solutions to be considered by the IETF. We are committed to working within the IETF to make the changes that are needed to correct this serious issue. Best Regards, (In alphabetical order) Bernard Aboba Cathy Aronson Alia Atlas Mary Barnes Mohamed Boucadair

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-11 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Scott Brim s...@internet2.edu wrote: On 03/11/13 14:41, Mary Barnes allegedly wrote: This year's set of nominees was far more diverse than in the past and yet the IESG will still be entirely male and entirely North American/European. Of course, only people

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-11 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Stewart Bryant stbry...@cisco.com wrote: A person's sex is of course only one of the recognized protected characteristics. http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/advice-and-guidance/new-equality-act-guidance/protected-characteristics-definitions/ The full set is:

Re: Nomcom is responsible for IESG qualifications

2013-03-07 Thread Mary Barnes
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org wrote: On 3/7/2013 5:01 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Joel M. Halpern j...@joelhalpern.com wrote: One of the interesting things is that the nomcom does not in practice have a way to tell the

Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD

2013-03-06 Thread Mary Barnes
Eric, You are describing the process of IAB selection as opposed to IESG selection for ensuring there is someone that is a potential chair. The IAB voting members select the IAB chair. The IESG members do not select the IETF chair. Regards, Mary. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Eric Gray

Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD

2013-03-06 Thread Mary Barnes
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 3/6/2013 6:17 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: Dave == Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net writes: Dave Candidates could choose to circulate the first part Dave publicly. I think having a public discussion of

Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD

2013-03-06 Thread Mary Barnes
Eric, On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Eric Gray eric.g...@ericsson.com wrote: Bob, This confuses me. Are you saying that you would be more able to give feedback on someone you don't know if you knew what they might have to say about themselves? I would think that - if you

Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD

2013-03-06 Thread Mary Barnes
make me wonder exactly how they are positioning themselves to the nomcom. [/MB] :-) -- Eric -Original Message- From: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:22 PM To: Eric Gray Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org

Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD

2013-03-06 Thread Mary Barnes
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org wrote: On 3/6/2013 3:11 PM, John C Klensin wrote: On this specific point ... Less likely, but still possible, a candidate may disclose (presumably with permission based on the Nomcom's confidentiality obligations

Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD

2013-03-06 Thread Mary Barnes
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org wrote: On 3/6/2013 3:11 PM, John C Klensin wrote: On this specific point ... Less likely, but still possible, a candidate may disclose (presumably with permission based on the Nomcom's confidentiality obligations

Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD

2013-03-06 Thread Mary Barnes
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: On 03/06/2013 05:05 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: On 3/6/13 4:57 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: Candidates could choose to circulate the first part publicly. I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-04 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Eric Burger ebur...@standardstrack.com wrote: There is obviously no easy fix. If there was, we would have fixed it, obviously. What I find interesting is after saying there is nothing we can do, you go on to make a few concrete proposals, like bringing the

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-04 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Stewart Bryant stbry...@cisco.com wrote: On 03/03/2013 14:25, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Clearly the NomCom felt it was between a rock and a hard place; I just want to assert the principle that balancing both managerial and technical abilities is within NomCom's

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-04 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu wrote: Brian Russ, I would never argue for non-technical ADs. But when we Brian are short of candidates, it may be necessary to appoint Brian technically expert ADs who are not deep experts in the Brian

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-04 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Russ Housley hous...@vigilsec.com wrote: Dave: The leadership in the ITU does not read the documents. Why? Their job is to make sure that the process was followed. The IESG needs to make sure the process was followed too. But, the IESG also has a

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-04 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Eliot Lear l...@cisco.com wrote: Mary: On 3/4/13 6:51 PM, Mary Barnes wrote: [MB] I don't think anyone has said an AD could be a manager with little technical clue. I think Sam said it extremely well in his email. What some of us have been proposing

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-04 Thread Mary Barnes
And, I continue to support Sam's position as well. To me the question at hand is whether it will do more harm to fill the position with someone that doesn't have the specific expertise that his being sought than to leave the position unfilled. Having dealt with the exact same issue when I was

Nomcom Reports

2013-03-04 Thread Mary Barnes
As far as I can tell, the last official Nomcom report was from the Nomcom I chaired (2009-2010): http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-barnes-nomcom-report-2009-00.txt I have a general question for the community as to whether they find such reports useful and whether we should encourage future nomcom

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-04 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Russ Housley hous...@vigilsec.com wrote: Margaret: The problem with this argument is that it appears that we have a choice between limited knowledge of congestion control and an empty seat. Which one is more likely to be able to learn about it? If that

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-03 Thread Mary Barnes
Lars, Do you not have individuals in the directorate that are experts on congestion control (that aren't document authors) that can review for technical sanity of the proposal? ISTM that some of the TSV nominees have broad technical skills, including management that could be quite useful.

Re: [IETF] Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today

2013-02-27 Thread Mary Barnes
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Roberto Peon grm...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that the deadline serves any positive purpose so long as we keep all of the versions anyway. It certainly is annoying the way it is now and

Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today

2013-02-27 Thread Mary Barnes
You have two choices with the current model: 1) If the document is critical for WG progress, then talk to your WG chairs and see if they are willing to contact the secretariat to let the document through. You do need a very compelling reason to do this, so it shouldn't be done as a rule. 2)

Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-barnes-healthy-food-06.txt

2013-02-26 Thread Mary Barnes
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:42 AM, George, Wes wesley.geo...@twcable.com wrote: From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of SM In Section 5: For cases of first time attendees for a specific location, relevant information can be gathered from attendees that

Fwd: I-D Action: draft-barnes-healthy-food-06.txt

2013-02-25 Thread Mary Barnes
Dietary Requirements for IETF meetings Author(s) : Mary Barnes Filename: draft-barnes-healthy-food-06.txt Pages : 18 Date: 2013-02-25 Abstract: This document describes the basic requirements for food for folks that attend IETF

Re: Showing support during IETF LC...

2013-02-25 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: Agree with what John, Brian, and others have said. FWIW, at times - particularly with documents having some controversy - the ADs are left wondering what the silent majority is thinking. So in some cases the private

Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-barnes-healthy-food-06.txt

2013-02-25 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:10 PM, joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: On 2/25/13 10:36 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: In light of the upcoming meeting in Orlando, I have updated the document. For folks that are not on the IETF-86 attendees list, we've had a fairly lengthy discussion about

Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-barnes-healthy-food-06.txt

2013-02-25 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:03 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hi Mary, At 10:36 25-02-2013, Mary Barnes wrote: have Ice Cream Thursdays unless someone sponsors it. Since I was highly disappointed at the Atlanta meeting, I was able to get Polycom to sponsor the event at IETF-86

Re: Remote Participation Services

2013-02-07 Thread Mary Barnes
This wikipage addresses some of the operational aspects you mention: http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/wiki/RemoteParticipation I would think that could be augmented to address some of the concerns you raised. Mary. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com wrote:

Re: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF]

2012-11-10 Thread Mary Barnes
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.comwrote: I think that we haven't done a sufficiently good job of acculturating newer participants and that can probably make the organization look more opaque and closed than it actually is. Most (but not all) working

Re: [IAB] IETF 92 in Dallas!

2012-08-16 Thread Mary Barnes
It is impossible to predict Dallas weather and I'd be the last person to say I had any idea what the weather would be in March 2015. March has some of the most dramatic weather changes and differences - very much the lion and the lamb. However, I've lived in Dallas for 29 years and that was only

Re: [IAB] IETF 92 in Dallas!

2012-08-15 Thread Mary Barnes
People also should be aware that Dallas has major transit and highway work underway right now in particular North of the airport. By 2015 (2014 actually), you will be able to take light rail (orange line) from the airport to downtown: http://www.dart.org/about/expansion/orangeline.asp Mary. On

Meetecho session recording for IETF-84 Telepresence (CLUE) Tutorial

2012-08-08 Thread Mary Barnes
Hi all, Many of you were aware that we held a Telepresence (CLUE) tutorial Monday lunchtime. We had about 60 attendees. A Meetecho recording of the session is available. The link is below. If you've never had the time to watch a Meetecho session recording, this would be a good opportunity.

Re: Meetecho session recording for IETF-84 Telepresence (CLUE) Tutorial

2012-08-08 Thread Mary Barnes
paying for something that might meet your quality standards. Regards, Mary. On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org wrote: On Aug 8, 2012, at 22:38, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote: If you've never had the time to watch a Meetecho session recording, OMG

Re: So, where to repeat? (was:Re: management granularity)

2012-08-06 Thread Mary Barnes
Flights to Vancouver from some cities were extremely expensive. It would have cost me more than twice as much as it did to fly to Beijing, for example, if I had taken a direct flight from DFW - it would have been by far my most expensive IETF airfare ever. I didn't because I was trying to be cost

Re: So, where to repeat? (was:Re: management granularity)

2012-08-06 Thread Mary Barnes
Wales No: 1996687 ** ** *From:* Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 06 August 2012 15:42 *To:* Dearlove, Christopher (UK) *Cc:* Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon); Daniele Ceccarelli; Andrew Sullivan; ietf@ietf.org *Subject:* Re: So, where to repeat? (was:Re

Re: Flighhts: direct vs non-stop

2012-08-06 Thread Mary Barnes
For me a direct flight is always a non-stop flight, so yes I do use the terms interchangeably. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.orgwrote: I've discussed this with many people, including many who fly a lot, and I find it's often misunderstood. I've seen it again

Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)

2012-08-06 Thread Mary Barnes
The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I paid for my tickets to YVR nor to Beijing. I made a very simple statement

Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)

2012-08-06 Thread Mary Barnes
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM, John R Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: The thing is that I don't need a flight to DFW to YVR for this coming week and I don't see the prices you do either. I did not buy my tickets at the last minute and believe it or not, I'm actually not lying about what I

Re: Meeting lounges at IETF meetings

2012-08-03 Thread Mary Barnes
I don't like this idea at all. For people that aren't staying at the meeting hotel, the terminal room is often the only place where it is quiet. Ear plugs only partially address the problem for those of us with really sensitive hearing and some folks cannot use those ear plugs (e.g., when you

Re: Meeting lounges at IETF meetings

2012-08-03 Thread Mary Barnes
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: Instead, I think we should ensure that future venues have adequate space for both circulating between meeting rooms and for side conversations. Just to be clear: you

Re: Meeting lounges at IETF meetings

2012-08-03 Thread Mary Barnes
with my suggestions. You can interpret them however you want. Mary. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Glen Zorn glenz...@gmail.com wrote: ** On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 14:13 -0500, Mary Barnes wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: On Aug 3, 2012

Re: Meeting lounges at IETF meetings

2012-08-03 Thread Mary Barnes
Yeah, I have tons of free time at these meetings.And, my response was absolutely an attempt to micro-manage rather than provide suggestions on how the situation could be better handled (as I don't think taking over the terminal room is a good idea). Mary. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM,

Re: Meeting lounges at IETF meetings

2012-08-03 Thread Mary Barnes
The issue that I experienced (and why I'm fussing) is that if you were attending many sessions in the Regency rooms (and moving rooms between sessions), it was extremely difficult to weave your way through the corridor as many people were having their discussion directly in the middle of the

Re: Meeting lounges at IETF meetings

2012-08-03 Thread Mary Barnes
://www.cisco.com/ipj Skype: organdemo On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Mary Barnes wrote: The issue that I experienced (and why I'm fussing) is that if you were attending many sessions in the Regency rooms (and moving rooms between sessions), it was extremely difficult to weave your way through

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-07-20 Thread Mary Barnes
I don't think we should try to factor in Spring Break. Personally, I like it when the meeting overlaps with Spring Break because that introduces the possibility that my sons can travel with me depending upon the locale (they're old enough to care for themselves during the day). Even if they are

Re: IETF Nominations Committee Chair - 2012 - 2013

2012-07-04 Thread Mary Barnes
Mehmet, In my experience, the most important characteristic for a nomcom chair is the ability to lead a group of 10 volunteers (usually with a significant variation of experience in IETF) through the process as defined by RFC 3777 (and 5680).It can be good for a chair to have past Nomcom

Re: RFC 2119 terms, ALL CAPS vs lower case

2012-05-16 Thread Mary Barnes
Peter, I also try to follow the same practice after I got the suggestion for one of my documents. The issue I see with the suggestion that may is not normative whereas MAY is, is that it is not at all uncommon for folks to typo and forget to make the may uppercase - that puts the burden on the

Re: IETF posting delays

2012-05-07 Thread Mary Barnes
I agree with you John. I know that I have had messages discarded on several occasions. As a moderator, I look at the legitimacy of the posting and if it is a member of the community (it's generally very easy to tell), then I add them as being able to post even though they aren't subscribed. This

Mailing list for IETF women

2012-05-02 Thread Mary Barnes
There have been some offline discussions as to how we can improve the situation and encourage the participation of women in the IETF. One of the things was a mailing list. There actually already is one hosted on ietf.org (setup by Mirjam and Margaret) -syst...@ietf.org:

Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech industry ? The Register

2012-05-02 Thread Mary Barnes
Note that mentor net that I mentioned in another email is also focused on increasing minorities in engineering: http://www.mentornet.net/ They are always looking for new mentors: http://www.mentornet.net/mentor.aspx If your child doesn't seem to have the aptitude for engineering, then certainly

Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech industry ? The Register

2012-05-01 Thread Mary Barnes
, and uncivil work environments where women were treated in condescending or patronizing manners. Only 25 percent of the women who left engineering did so for family reasons. Mary On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: On Apr 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Mary Barnes wrote: Here

Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech industry ? The Register

2012-04-30 Thread Mary Barnes
Yes, the article is far from complete. But, your antecdote only goes to show your own bias towards women in science and engineering in general. By the time most females reach high school they have already been conditioned that girls aren't as good as boys in math and science. There's a far

Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech industry ? The Register

2012-04-30 Thread Mary Barnes
of the lack of women in IETF is that we never have to wait in line for the restroom with one exception - the little broom closets in the Paris venue. Mary. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, the article is far from complete. But, your antecdote

Re: Is the IETF aging?

2012-04-30 Thread Mary Barnes
protocols in one area tends to attract younger folks. For existing protocols, there is the aging factor shunning the younger folks away. At 08:08 27-04-2012, Mary Barnes wrote: Personally, I think IETF has far more of an issue when it comes to cultural and gender diversity than it does

Re: Is the IETF aging?

2012-04-27 Thread Mary Barnes
Personally, I think that may depend upon the Area in which you are active. The RAI area from my perspective has a bunch of youngsters - mid-late 20s 30s. And, I'm not as old as some of you all ;) Personally, I think IETF has far more of an issue when it comes to cultural and gender diversity

Re: [IAOC] I-D Action: draft-barnes-healthy-food-04.txt

2011-11-01 Thread Mary Barnes
I have a separate mailing list setup for the food discussion in general: ietf-f...@employees.org Mary. On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Marshall Eubanks marshall.euba...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:34 PM, David Morris d...@xpasc.com wrote: On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Marshall

Re: [IAOC] I-D Action: draft-barnes-healthy-food-04.txt

2011-11-01 Thread Mary Barnes
that would be interested in the discussion, too. On Nov 1, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: I have a separate mailing list setup for the food discussion in general: ietf-f...@employees.org Mary. On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Marshall Eubanks marshall.euba...@gmail.com wrote

Re: I-D Action: draft-barnes-healthy-food-04.txt

2011-10-31 Thread Mary Barnes
: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Healthy Food and Special Dietary Requirements for IETF meetings Author(s) : Mary Barnes Filename: draft-barnes-healthy-food-04.txt Pages

Re: Requirement to go to meetings

2011-10-27 Thread Mary Barnes
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Ross Callon rcal...@juniper.net wrote: Mary; ** ** Would you want the comments that are currently sent in privately to nomcom to become public, or do you want the voters to make their choices without hearing these comments? ** ** Ross [MB]

Further off topic - providing Nomcom feedback and TICC restrictions on food/beverage (was this thread is talking about *voting* now?

2011-10-27 Thread Mary Barnes
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:09 AM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: The following is off-topic. NomCom is currently requesting comments about the persons who have volunteered (or have been nominated) for IAB or IESG positions. As the names have not been publicly disclosed, I prefer not to list

Re: Requirement to go to meetings

2011-10-26 Thread Mary Barnes
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.imwrote: On 10/26/11 1:47 PM, Fred Baker wrote: On Oct 26, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: (e.g., the NomCom schedule is defined in terms of three meetings a year). no problem. We stop having the nomcom.

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-26 Thread Mary Barnes
Henk, A few responses inline below [MB]. Regards, Mary. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Henk Uijterwaal henk.uijterw...@gmail.comwrote: On 25/08/2011 01:03, geoff wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:28 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: 1) We don't have to go to any particular location. There has

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-25 Thread Mary Barnes
I am also a fan of Minneapolis for meetings - the facilities at the Hilton are perfect for our needs. There's lots of food options. It has good air connections and there is decent pubic transport from the airport to the city. However, this seems to be a minority perspective. If we were to do

Re: Gen-ART Review: Last Call draft-ietf-p2psip-base-17.txt

2011-08-15 Thread Mary Barnes
- you caught some good stuff. Most of this makes essence but we should probably talk about usage of 2119 language. On Aug 9, 2011, at 16:05 , Mary Barnes wrote: simple === Document: draft-ietf-p2psip-base-17 Reviewer

Gen-ART Review: Last Call draft-ietf-lisp-lig-04.txt

2011-08-10 Thread Mary Barnes
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-lisp-lig-04 Reviewer: Mary

Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?

2011-06-20 Thread Mary Barnes
Exactly. Given that we spend most of our days in air conditioned meeting rooms, Phoenix or Dallas are not bad choices. Dallas is slightly better due to air connections. Houston is not a good choice under any circumstance IMHO - I don't think A/C can remove enough humidity to make it comfortable

Re: Getting to Quebec City

2011-06-18 Thread Mary Barnes
As far as renting a car, it is likely a very good choice for anyone that is arriving in Montreal later in the day. I have a choice of one direct flight to Montreal that puts me arriving in Montreal 7pm. Even a one stop flight still puts me arriving around that time. So, given my experience in

Re: IETF 83 Venue

2011-01-21 Thread Mary Barnes
If it's the same conference center that we were at for IETF-63, there should be few complaints about food given that there is a very nice (real) food market in the shopping area in the Palais de Congres - i.e., if there aren't enough cookies for you at the meeting, then you can go buy a whole

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-13 Thread Mary Barnes
Glen, I had zero expectation that Maastricht would be anything like the city I live in. However, it never crossed my mind to think that the city would be so deserted when I arrived, nor that I would end up on the last train. So, you are correct that i did not come prepared with a list of taxi

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-13 Thread Mary Barnes
I personally am not asking for a fault free venue, however, I am asking for some very basic things to be considered as part of the meeting venue selection process: 1) Safety: far more easily achieved when the meeting hotels and venue are very close to one another in a city center that doesn't

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-13 Thread Mary Barnes
Hi David, There is already a field in the registration form for folks to list dietary restrictions. And, there's a document discussing various planning issues associated with accomodating the various diets, which includes discusssion of Fred's point about the hosts providing the information as

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-08-30 Thread Mary Barnes
Yeah - we should stop, but you're just perpetrating the mentality that has caused alot of the debate. Unfortunately, folks have mis-interpreted the concerns a minority of us experienced at the IETF (since we are a minority in terms of IETF participation) as a dislike of Maastricht or lack of

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-08-29 Thread Mary Barnes
...@bogus.com wrote: On 8/28/10 10:29 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: So, if all you guys (and it's been all guys from what I've seen) would just consider how you would feel if you either had access to very little food (think 4 days without a real meal and subsisting on illegally imported nuts and dried fruit

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