NOMS 2014 Call for Papers

2013-08-12 Thread Thomas Nadeau
http://noms2014.ieee-noms.org/content/call-experience-session-papers http://www.ieee-noms.org/ NOMS 2014 will be next year's IEEE flagship conference in the area of management of networked systems and services. The symposium will include an Experience Session program. Experience Sessions

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

2013-05-28 Thread Thomas Nadeau
Nicely written, largely stating what might be obvious for many, but still nice to see it in black and white. A few comments/suggestions: 1) Section 3. Authors/Editors I suggest that you suggest that WG (co)chair(s) add an editor that is unrelated to the

Re: Meeting lounges at IETF meetings

2012-08-03 Thread Thomas Nadeau
I agree with randy. I've never had an issue finding a place to huddle/meet when necessary at an ietf meeting venue. between the hallways, bar, etc I'm not sure what the fuss is all about. Tom On Aug 3, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: i have no need to micro-manage the

Re: Basic ietf process question ...

2012-08-02 Thread Thomas Nadeau
I am discussing this very topic in the Ops meeting today at 3. Please come by to discuss. --Tom On Aug 2, 2012:9:25 AM, at 9:25 AM, Robert Raszuk rob...@raszuk.net wrote: All, IETF documents have number of mandatory sections .. IANA Actions, Security Considerations,

bits-n-bites: Exhibitors and product vendors hawking wares at an IETF meeting?

2012-06-28 Thread Thomas Nadeau
Has the IETF morphed into a conference/convention? http://www.ietf.org/meeting/84/bits-n-bites.html

Re: Colloquial language [Re: Last Call: draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC]

2012-06-01 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On May 31, 2012:6:36 PM, at 6:36 PM, Ben Niven-Jenkins wrote: On 31 May 2012, at 09:16, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Sounds like a difficult thing to do with any kind of predictable or measurable outcome, although it might be fun to ask the Brits if they understand everything the Americans are

Re: [PWE3] Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-bit-06.txt (Pseudowire Preferential Forwarding Status Bit) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-07 Thread Thomas Nadeau
After looking over this just now - and forgive me as I didn't realize it contained a reference to 5542 until now - it seems to me that rather that including this in the RFC as an update to RFC5542, this be added as an errata entry to 5542. It seems odd to me to note that the single

Re: Furthering discussions about BCP79 sanctions

2012-02-14 Thread Thomas Nadeau
I agree with Adrian. Individuals come to the IETF, not companies. Sure they are employed by companies, but they also have to follow the rules stated in BCP79. I am really tired of the myriad of excuses people have given in the past about why they have not been able to comply. Its a

Re: Second Last Call: draft-ietf-sieve-notify-sip-message-08.txt (Sieve Notification Mechanism: SIP MESSAGE) to Proposed Standard

2012-01-25 Thread Thomas Nadeau
Agree %100. On Jan 25, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Please also see US patent 20090204681 visible at http://ip.com/patapp/US20090204681 In my opinion, this second last call should be suspended until this significant breach of the IETF's IPR policy set out in BCP79 has been

Re: Questions about draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point

2012-01-12 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Jan 12, 2012, at 3:18 PM, John E Drake wrote: Snipped, comments inline. 3. There seems to be quite a feeling on the mailing lists that this document should be run through the MPLS working group. The write-up makes a case for progressing it as AD sponsored. As far as I can see, the main

Re: primary Paris hotel booking

2012-01-03 Thread Thomas Nadeau
I agree. In addition to that the pre-pay situation can be a major PITA for expensing purposes. We should add normal booking procedures to the hotel requirements list as well. --Tom On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:52 AM, George, Wes wrote: Happy New Year, it's time for our triannual

Re: Request to publish draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-01.txt

2011-12-02 Thread Thomas Nadeau
I disagree with the document shepherd's evaluation of this document. This document sets out to standardize an additional code point to support a type of OAM for MPLS, and as such the MPLS WG must review the document for technical correctness. As far as I understand things, all MPLS

Re: Requirement to go to meetings

2011-10-24 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: On 10/24/2011 4:09 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: It's really not that big a deal. Make sure that audio is working, that there's a Jabber scribe/Jabber room watcher ... I have a concrete suggestion for WG chairs: don't ask for a Jabber

Re: Requirement to go to meetings

2011-10-24 Thread Thomas Nadeau
At 05:52 24-10-2011, Marshall Eubanks wrote: As jabber scribe, I view part of my responsibility as relaying questions asked on jabber (if no one else is doing so). For groups that have secretaries, I suggest that that be part of the secretary's responsibilities. The secretary is busy

Software Defined Networks (SDN) BoF in Taipei

2011-10-07 Thread Thomas Nadeau
I wanted to pass on some information regarding a BoF that is planned for Taipei that is relevant to participants of this mailing list/WG area. The IAB and IESG met today to discuss BoFs for Taipei and agreed that we will hold a BoF SDN with a goal of discussing the

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Sep 29, 2011, at 1:06 AM, Huub van Helvoort wrote: All, I propose to completely remove section 5 of this draft. The reason: The IETF should *NOT* document any comment on any multiple standards developed by other SDOs which are outside of the IETF's scope. Especially standards

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Thomas Nadeau
A few more thoughts on this thread. All, I propose to completely remove section 5 of this draft. The reason: The IETF should *NOT* document any comment on any multiple standards developed by other SDOs which are outside of the IETF's scope. Especially standards like like

Re: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-09-29 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Sep 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Scott, On 2011-09-30 05:30, Scott O Bradner wrote: I'm having a hard time understanding just what this document is trying to do I understand from the title that it is supposed to be telling the reader why a single OAM solution is

Re: Last Call: draft-kompella-l2vpn-l2vpn-07.txt (Layer 2 Virtual Private Networks Using BGP for Auto-discovery and Signaling) to Informational RFC

2011-09-14 Thread Thomas Nadeau
I agree. Historic seems go be the way to go with this document. Sent from my iPad On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Luca Martini lmart...@cisco.com wrote: On 09/13/11 10:03, Alexander Vainshtein wrote: Luca, and all, I concur with Andy's opinion that the reference to RFC 4447 must become

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-24 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Aug 24, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Dave CROCKER dcroc...@bbiw.net wrote: On 8/24/2011 1:27 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: Can you start by backing up the assertion that the community has vigrously expressed a preference for interesting venues? I may

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-23 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Aug 23, 2011, at 1:34 AM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: --On Monday, August 22, 2011 20:16 -0400 Ray Pelletier rpellet...@isoc.org wrote: ... As for the rates, they are high. Taiwan is expensive, particularly given that the hotels know what our options are when we

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-23 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Michael StJohns Could you refresh my memory as to which hotels we stayed at had this policy? I literally cannot remember having any hotel cancellation policy with more than a single night fee ever. Maastricht had

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-23 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Aug 23, 2011, at 10:24 AM, John C Klensin wrote: --On Tuesday, August 23, 2011 07:57 -0400 Thomas Nadeau tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: I obviously don't have all of the information available to me that you and the IAOC do, but it seems to be there is always another alternative

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-23 Thread Thomas Nadeau
But surely based on that block purchasing power we could negotiate more reasonable rates than $200+ night? --Tom On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: You said: At root is that we are trying to negotiate a purchase at a discounted price without committing

Re: [mpls] [PWE3] IETF Last Call comment on draft-ietf-pwe3-gal-in-pw

2011-08-22 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Aug 19, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Luca Martini wrote: On 08/19/11 14:53, John E Drake wrote: Luca, So, you are considering weighted ECMP, with FAT and entropy label, to be an application? We are also releasing the GAL to float until it finds its proper level within the MPLS label stack?

Re: A modest proposal for Friday meeting schedule

2011-08-02 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Aug 2, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: BTW, has anyone noticed the trend of doing more and more on the Sunday and Saturday *before* IETF week? Very much so. Workshops, joint meetings, design teams... In Prague, a good number of people started in Friday. Nothing wrong with

Re: A modest proposal for Friday meeting schedule

2011-08-01 Thread Thomas Nadeau
I'd actually vote for NO meetings on Fridays. %90 of attendees fly home on Friday if at all possible, especially since most of us have flown in on Sunday. Unless you are local to the meeting, it is a major hassle leaving after the meetings on Friday, especially if you are

Re: A modest proposal for Friday meeting schedule

2011-08-01 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:39 AM, John Leslie wrote: Thomas Nadeau tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: On Jul 31, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Eric Burger wrote: On Jul 31, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: Something like this: 8:30-11:00 Session I 11:15-12:15 Session II 12:30-13:30 Session III I

Re: [v6ops] 6to4v2 (as in ripv2)?

2011-07-27 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:31 AM, Mark Townsley m...@townsley.net wrote: On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Fred Baker wrote: On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Since 6to4 is a transition mechanism it has no long term future *by definition*. Even if someone chooses to

Re: [mpls] Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-cc-cv-rdi-05.txt (Proactive Connectivity Verification, Continuity Check and Remote Defect indication for MPLS Transport Profile) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-08 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:15 AM, neil.2.harri...@bt.com wrote: Got to say I agree with Rui on much of what he says here. And I absolutely resonate with his point on the need for simplicity. The reason OAM needs to be as simple as possible is because it must be super reliablewe do not

Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?

2011-06-20 Thread Thomas Nadeau
BTW, I found that like with many previous IETF meetings, if you call your local travel department, they can often get far cheaper rates for the rooms at the hotel. For some reason, the IETF negotiates rates that seem to be MSRP. For this one, for example, I got something like a %40

Re: one data point regarding native IPv6 support

2011-06-10 Thread Thomas Nadeau
Sadly this is more common than it should be these days. I've been begging Fairpoint for IPv6 for the past 3 years, from which people in NH/VT/ME now have been subjected to as Verizon sold off FIOS/dsl in those areas to them a while back. I have business service from them with static