Re: [IAOC] Dublin Hotel Contract was Re: IETF 72 -- Dublin!

2008-02-08 Thread Richard Barnes
Ole, I noticed the same thing when I was making my booking. As a precaution, I put a note in the Comments block saying that I expect the terms of the IETF contract to be followed, with a copy of the terms from Ray's email. --RB Ole Jacobsen wrote: I can confirm that the confirmation

GEOPRIV Experiment at IETF 71

2008-03-10 Thread Richard Barnes
Hi all, Wanted to let folks know about an experiment that some participants from the GEOPRIV working group have put together for this IETF. Using the IETF network infrastructure as a location source, we've set up a location server [1] that offers location information over the HTTP-based HELD

Re: experiments in the ietf week

2008-03-14 Thread Richard Barnes
As some of you might have noticed, some GEOPRIV participants ran a small experiment, using the IETF network as a base for location-based services. We had a few folks try it, and learned a lot, but three main things: 1. Interworking with the IETF NOC was really pleasant (Thanks, guys!) 2.

Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery-07

2008-05-25 Thread Richard Barnes
$Id: draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery-07-rev.txt,v 1.1 2008/05/24 15:03:19 ekr Exp $ S 4.3.1. Devices that establish VPN connections for use by other devices inside a LAN or other closed network could serve as a LIS, that implements the HELD protocol, for those other

GEOPRIV and ECRIT experiments at IETF 72

2008-07-29 Thread Richard Barnes
I wanted to let folks know about an experiment that some folks from the GEOPRIV and ECRIT working groups have been working to set up at IETF 71 to see if we can deliver some basic location-based applications (including emergency calling), using the IETF network as a platform. The prinicpal

Re: GEOPRIV and ECRIT experiments at IETF 72

2008-07-29 Thread Richard Barnes
... and of course, I mean IETF 72 in the first paragraph ... Richard Barnes wrote: I wanted to let folks know about an experiment that some folks from the GEOPRIV and ECRIT working groups have been working to set up at IETF 71 to see if we can deliver some basic location-based applications

Re: Past LC comments on draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery-08

2008-08-11 Thread Richard Barnes
Hi Julian, I'd like to try to answer one of your questions: As far as I understand, HELD is used to query for location information. Right now, the details of the query are encoded in a POST body as defined by the XML Schema in

SECDIR review of draft-ietf-forces-model-14

2008-09-18 Thread Richard Barnes
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like

SECDIR review of draft-ietf-calsify-rfc2445bis-09

2008-11-24 Thread Richard Barnes
Hi all, I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments

SECDIR review of draft-ietf-mmusic-file-transfer-mech-09

2008-12-18 Thread Richard Barnes
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like

Re: Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-02 Thread Richard Barnes
Chris, At recent IETFs, I've found it helpful to have a couple of machines in the terminal room. Having machines that are pre-configured saved me the time of setting up my machine to work with the printers when I just wanted to quickly print out a draft during a break. So it might be

SECDIR review of draft-ietf-ntp-ntpv4-proto-11

2009-03-10 Thread Richard Barnes
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like

SECDIR review of draft-ietf-sipping-update-pai-09

2009-05-13 Thread Richard Barnes
Hi all, I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments

Re: DNSSEC is NOT secure end to end

2009-06-02 Thread Richard Barnes
This debate has nothing to do with the security properties of DNSSEC. A basic assumption of the DNS is that what the authoritative server for zone says is, well, authoritative. The structure of DNS itself entitles JPNIC to point ac.jp wherever they want; by using a name within the .jp

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery-14

2009-06-05 Thread Richard Barnes
Ben, Thanks for your review. With respect to the HTTP issue you raise, is your claim that the HTTP binding prevents the use of Digest or Basic based on this sentence from Section 6.3? HELD error messages MUST be carried by a 200 OK HTTP/HTTPS response. If so, then I think that's a

Re: Let's move on - Let's DNSCurve Re: DNSSEC is NOT secure end to end

2009-06-11 Thread Richard Barnes
Phil, That's a specious argument. As several others have noted on this list, it's perfectly feasible for any relying parties (sovereign nations or otherwise) to not use the IANA root, simply by creating their own root. This is a little more complicated than just redirecting IP traffic, but

Re: Review of draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery

2009-06-15 Thread Richard Barnes
Martin: Regarding #2, I would feel more comfortable with your text if it had the strength of a RECOMMENDATION. Making a specific policy configuration a MUST NOT doesn't make sense. Also, this discussion is missing the possibility of client authentication in TLS, which falls under the same

SECDIR review of draft-ietf-adslmib-vdsl2-07

2009-06-24 Thread Richard Barnes
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just

Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust

2009-07-31 Thread Richard Barnes
It would seem in the open spirit if the IETF to make this a standing order for t-shirt art, wouldn't it? On Friday, July 31, 2009, Dave CROCKER d...@dcrocker.net wrote: Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote: I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like to clarify here for all.

SECDIR review of draft-ietf-pkix-other-certs-04

2009-08-12 Thread Richard Barnes
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just

Re: [Tools-discuss] meta-issues on charter discussions

2009-08-24 Thread Richard Barnes
As a side issue, it appears that Ekr is chairing TLS twice, at least according to the linked TLS tools page. --Richard On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:55 AM, pasi.ero...@nokia.com wrote: The tools WG pages used to have diffs between charter versions (see e.g. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/tls/charters/ --

Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-02 Thread Richard Barnes
Being a relatively short-term IETF participant, I lack the history that many on this list have, but since Jari asked for comments, I'll provide some. Stated briefly, I agree with Steve Kent, Adam Roach, Ben Campbell, and others that it makes sense to have IESG notes be mandatory for the ISE

Re: Some more background on the RFID experiment in Hiroshima

2009-09-13 Thread Richard Barnes
This brings us to the question of the identifiers: it's certainly true that systems which are anonymous but linkable offer a higher level of privacy than those which do not. However, it's often possible to determine which identifier a given person has (e.g., by observing a specific persons card

SECDIR review of draft-ietf-yam-rfc1652bis-pre-evaluation-00

2009-09-20 Thread Richard Barnes
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-10-09 Thread Richard Barnes
(g) many hurt Chinese engineers participate to the IETF and very politely do not react: have them been invited to comment? Everyone on the IETF mailing list has been invited to comment and that certainly includes Chinese engineers. Indeed, I wonder if there is something to be learned from

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meetingof the IETF

2009-10-12 Thread Richard Barnes
+1 Cullen is not inquiring after social policy, he's asking what the practical constraints are likely to be if there is a meeting in China. This is a sensible question, worthy of a thoughtful, well-researched response. I suspect you -- and most of the rest of us -- can't give a definitive

Re: 答复: Legality of IETF meetings in P RC. Was: Re: Request for communityguidance on i ssue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-10-12 Thread Richard Barnes
attend IETF meeting, how about U? Tian -邮件原件- 发件人: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Richard Barnes 发送时间: 2009年10月10日 8:53 收件人: Ole Jacobsen 抄送: Theodore Tso; Henk Uijterwaal; IETF-Discussion list 主题: Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request

Re: If you found today's plenary debate on standards track tedious...

2009-11-11 Thread Richard Barnes
From the perspective of the world outside the IETF, this is already the case. An RFC is an RFC is an RFC... --Richard On Nov 11, 2009, at 7:25 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Who would like to adopt this idea: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-loughney-newtrk-one-size-fits- all-01.txt

Re: Logging the source port?

2009-11-13 Thread Richard Barnes
Stéphane, In GEOPRIV, where we have a need to specify a specific endpoint in order to request its geolocation, we were specifically asked by carriers looking at CGN to add a port field to the identifier space:

SECDIR review of draft-ietf-pkix-new-asn1-07

2009-11-18 Thread Richard Barnes
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments

Re: Towards consensus on document format

2010-03-16 Thread Richard Barnes
Circles are not impossible, just a pain: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5491#section-5.2.7 Likewise for normal distributions: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thomson-geopriv-uncertainty-04 On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:57 PM, JFC Morfin wrote: I developed tools to convert RFC from/to mediawiki pages.

Bar BoF on Location Coherence Wednesday at 11:30 AM

2010-03-17 Thread Richard Barnes
Hey all, This message is announcing a bar BoF (lunch BoF) on Location Coherence -- interoperability between different location protocols and APIs -- for the lunch break on Wednesday of the IETF week. Location is still TBD (ironically). Full announcement here:

Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

2010-03-17 Thread Richard Barnes
+1 On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: +1 On 3/17/2010 12:18 PM, John R. Levine wrote: If we could agree that the final XML was authoritative, and if necessary let them hire someone to fix xmlrfc so it can produce the text version without hand editing or postprocessing, that

Re: Bar BoF on Location Coherence Wednesday at 11:30 AM

2010-03-23 Thread Richard Barnes
This meeting will be held at 11:45 today in the Carmel room. Sorry for the late notice. --Richard On Mar 17, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: Hey all, This message is announcing a bar BoF (lunch BoF) on Location Coherence -- interoperability between different location protocols

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

2010-03-28 Thread Richard Barnes
[Added IAOC] Iljitsch: Thanks very much for this information. I was not aware of this: The MECC conference center is 2 - 3 kilometers from the city center, where the restaurants are. IAOC: I had been getting used to the idea of Maastricht, with it being historic, nice city center and

Re: Packet mood

2010-04-01 Thread Richard Barnes
I hear they were thinking about making it an IPv6 extension header, but they were afraid it would never get deployed that way. --Richard On Apr 1, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bob Braden wrote: Fred Baker wrote: So - does RFC 5841 update RFC 3514, or obsolete it? Silly question, Fred. What

secdir review of draft-ietf-csi-send-cert-03

2010-05-18 Thread Richard Barnes
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments

Re: 2119bis

2011-08-30 Thread Richard Barnes
Friendly reminder from BCP 61: Security is a MUST implement http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp61#section-7 On 8/30/11 12:46 PM, Eric Burger wrote: Can you give an example of where a dangling SHOULD makes sense? Most often I see something like: SHOULD implement security meaning

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-geopriv-policy-uri-02

2011-11-08 Thread Richard Barnes
Hi David, The penalty for getting a quick response for the first time is that the second response takes longer :) Inline. - The additional text in section 3.1 stating that the policy URI is a shared secret with a forward reference to the security considerations section removes

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-geopriv-policy-uri-02

2011-11-09 Thread Richard Barnes
that use the http: URI scheme. END One of my concerns behind wanting this general SHOULD is that there's no assurance that an http: URI will stay confined to the local network that is being relied upon to secure it. Thanks, --David -Original Message- From: Richard Barnes

Re: Variable length internet addresses in TCP/IP: history

2012-02-15 Thread Richard Barnes
The problem with variable-length addressing that, in practice, one needs to specify a maximum length. In some practical terms, perhaps, but there are extensibility schemes that allow the payload (addressing bits, in this case, to go on forever, in theoretical terms. I look forward to

Re: A nuance of interoperability reports

2012-02-21 Thread Richard Barnes
Seems like it depends on your definitions of abusive and legitimate. Do you have an example? On Feb 21, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: We like to see interoperability reports contain information about features of a protocol that are used vs. unused, so that if and when the

Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-eai-mailinglistbis-05

2012-09-07 Thread Richard Barnes
Reviewer: Richard Barnes Review Date: 7 September 2012 IETF LC End Date: 29 August 2012 IESG Telechat date: (unknown) Summary: Ready

secdir review of draft-ietf-abfab-gss-eap-naming-05

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Barnes
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like

Gen-ART telechat review of draft-ietf-6man-udpzero-06

2012-10-08 Thread Richard Barnes
. Document: draft-ietf-6man-udpzero-06 Reviewer: Richard Barnes Review Date: 2012-10-08 IETF LC End Date: 2012-10-02 IESG Telechat date: 2012-10-11 Summary: Ready Comment: In general, the document is well-written and seems to cover the relevant considerations well. I agree with Barry's DISCUSS

Re: Exceptional cases (was: don't overthink)

2012-10-25 Thread Richard Barnes
would be wrong. The idea here is that applying _punitive_ action (such as removal from a position) retroactively is not fair, Oh, for heaven's sake. This is nothing to do with punishment. This is a straightforward administrative problem. Turning this into an opportunity to exercise a

Re: request to make the tools version of the agenda the default

2012-11-30 Thread Richard Barnes
On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Wes Hardaker wjh...@hardakers.net wrote: John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com writes: I think changing the default is fine. I'd also be reluctant to see the normal HTML version go away immediately but would be especially reluctant to see the plain text version go

Re: travel guide for the next IETF...

2013-01-04 Thread Richard Barnes
It gets worse if you head west to the Tampa bay... http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/man-shot-at-st-pete-pizza-joint-had-been-complaining-about-slow-service/1266589 On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:55 AM, Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com wrote: You have been warned.

Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again

2013-01-04 Thread Richard Barnes
Anecdotal data point number N+1... As an occasional implementor of IETF specs, I have to say it's much easier to check my conformance if I can just grep for MUST and SHOULD. It's also easy for developers to get in the bad habit of ONLY doing those things that are clearly marked in that way.

Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-behavior-negotiation-10

2013-02-03 Thread Richard Barnes
: draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-behavior-negotiation-10 Reviewer: Richard Barnes Review Date: 2013-02-02 IETF LC End Date: 2012-01-21 IESG Telechat date: 2012-02-07 Summary: Ready, with a couple of minor questions / clarifications. Comment: Overall, this document seems very clear and readable. Thanks

Re: 答复: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-behavior-negotiation-10

2013-02-05 Thread Richard Barnes
Hey Lou, That text looks fine to me! --Richard On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: Dan/Richard, On 2/4/2013 10:05 PM, Lidan (Dan) wrote: Hi Richard, Thanks for the review of this draft! Section 2.1. Would be helpful to either include the old

Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-ethernet-addressing-05

2013-02-11 Thread Richard Barnes
: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-ethernet-addressing-05 Reviewer: Richard Barnes Review Date: 2013-02-11 IETF LC End Date: 2013-02-18 IESG Telechat date: TBD Summary: Ready, with a couple of minor questions / clarifications. Comment: The document is mostly very clearly written. (Thanks!) It would have

Re: Time zones in IETF agenda

2013-02-27 Thread Richard Barnes
http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/ On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Victor Kuarsingh victor.kuarsi...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-02-27 4:53 AM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/02/2013 09:28, Brian Trammell wrote: On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Tim Chown

Re: [IETF] Petition for We the People US Federal Government petition process: Create a Request for Comment (RFC) process similar to the IETF's for taking in suggestions for innovation from public.

2013-03-08 Thread Richard Barnes
I think you may be over-estimating the filtering power of the Internet-Draft system. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Sam Crooks sam.a.cro...@gmail.com wrote: not a Joke, Warren (and IETF). The petition process is the best I have found to put in unsolicited suggestions. The RFI process and

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-20 Thread Richard Barnes
IESG, with name/area: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/past-members.html IAB, with name/affiliation: http://www.iab.org/about/history/ On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jorge Contreras cntre...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Margaret Wasserman m...@lilacglade.orgwrote: Hi

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-20 Thread Richard Barnes
I do not really think the legal angle is helpful in resolving this problem. (Which country's laws do we need to comply with?) Let's treat these legal ideas as considerations that we should be thinking about, not something where we should be striving for strict compliance. --Richard On Wed,

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-ethernet-addressing-05

2013-04-02 Thread Richard Barnes
, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Stewart Bryant stbry...@cisco.com wrote: Resending due to Richards change of address. Stewart On 11/02/2013 23:45, Richard Barnes wrote: I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-ethernet-addressing-05

2013-04-08 Thread Richard Barnes
Hi Stewart, I think this resolves my issues. Thanks, --Richard On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Stewart Bryant stbry...@cisco.com wrote: On 02/04/2013 15:28, Richard Barnes wrote: Thanks for following up, and for the re-send. Just to be clear, I do not mean these as blocking points

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-24 Thread Richard Barnes
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 2:03 PM, joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: On 5/24/13 10:43 AM, Doug Barton wrote: While it's unlikely that I would be able to attend, I think it's an excellent idea for reasons already better stated by others, and BA is a very nice city. The only suggestion I

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

2013-05-26 Thread Richard Barnes
Indeed, there has already been some coordination between the groups, going back about a year: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/84/slides/slides-84-ecrit-0.pdf http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-aboba-rtcweb-ecrit-00.txt So my read of the situation is much less dire than James's. As I understand it, the

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

2013-05-27 Thread Richard Barnes
call, which is non-ideal from a privacy and battery perspective. At least in the US, many of the WebRTC services would be considered interconnected VoIP, so they are indeed subject to 911 obligations. Henning On May 26, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Richard Barnes r...@ipv.sx wrote: Indeed, there has

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

2013-05-27 Thread Richard Barnes
, however: Right now, users only have a binary choice about location disclosure, even though I suspect many users would be fine with location disclosure for 911 only, not disclose my fine-grained location for any purpose you like. On May 27, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Richard Barnes r...@ipv.sx wrote

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

2013-05-28 Thread Richard Barnes
I would suggest we not try to sort out on this list which sorts of Internet services are subject to American regulations. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM, James Polk jmp...@cisco.com wrote: At 11:58 AM 5/28/2013, Ted Hardie wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jari Arkko mailto:

Re: Renaming RFC

2013-06-13 Thread Richard Barnes
Cf. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5513 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:30 AM, t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com wrote: - Original Message - From: l.w...@surrey.ac.uk To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: Renaming RFC RFC should be renamed to Resulted From

Re: adaptive http

2013-06-28 Thread Richard Barnes
Hi Faiz, Thanks for bringing your idea to the IETF. The best way to propose your idea is to write down the details in an Internet-draft. That helps make sure that everyone understands how your system works. There are some tools for writing drafts here: http://tools.ietf.org/ Once you've

Re: pgp signing in van

2013-09-09 Thread Richard Barnes
It also makes it obvious to everyone that Peter is using PGP. Which serves a pedagogical function, I guess. :) On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.imwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/9/13 11:02 AM, Cyrus Daboo wrote: Hi Peter,

Re: year for highest number of IETF participants

2013-10-08 Thread Richard Barnes
Indeed, the number Joe was counting was the number who filled out a registration form. Counting those who actually paid their registration yields closer numbers. rbarnes$ for n in $(jot 15 73); do att=$(curl -s https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf${n}/attendance.py; | grep -o Yes | wc -l);