Re: Gen-ART LC review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-rosetta-stone-12

2013-10-13 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
The draft does not list ITU in abbreviation, there are many terminology not clear but more general definition. I prefer specific defining. Also many times refers to references to define without mentioning what was that definition, is that defined only in ITU and IETF cannot define its technology,

Re: Gen-ART LC review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-rosetta-stone-12

2013-10-13 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Yes, my comment meant that it is a reply to the review message that there may be not clear definition from other participant point of view. Sorry my review is still not complete, I will send it. Do you mean my reply is not right, if I like to give a short comment before my full review. AB On

Re: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-13 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
The DT I am discussing has no clear problem to solve, the appointment is not clear, I have been asking for a WG but only DT was done. The DT has no milestones and no clear objectives, is it a DT or a WG. We don't need the DT to adopt or agree on any real draft effort submitted, it is the community

Gen-ART LC review of draft-ietf-mpls-tp-rosetta-stone-12

2013-10-13 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
, but the authors are gaining so far. I prefer that all comments should be at the IETF list after the IETF LC to give chance for discussion if needed (as a community DISCUSS position). AB On Sunday, October 13, 2013, joel jaeggli wrote: On Oct 13, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar

Re: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I am part of the community design team as well because I participate with community more than the private hidden groups. I think that the draft is a true work open to IETF. I still did not get a reply to my request to know what is the DT authority, very strange name without any procedure in IETF,

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Pete, I object if the draft excludes remote participants opinions/feedbacks, the IETF WG list is the main place for measuring consensus not a physical limited room located in a region. Some WGs' Chair just follow room's consensus, or f2f participants arguments, which is not best practice

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Reviewer: Abdussalam Baryun Date: 11.10.2013 Last Call For the General Area I-D reviewed: draft-resnick-on-consensus-05 ++ Hi Pete and Jari, The documents provide important examples which are real within IETF, and needs to be studied/analysed more as case studies

Re: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I did not like the change of the title which was suggested in diversity list. the first title was related to IETF, because we need to attract more other regions in IETF or to facilitate the improve of other region's participation. The draft's solution was to recommend fellowship (should not be the

Re: Montevideo statement

2013-10-10 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I like your approach and comments, and I think that our ietf leaders are not always leaders but in IESG they are the managers. Mostly ietf ruled by community consensus not presidents, so we have many leaders including you and some others may be additional leaders for the community. The ietf wants

Re: Montevideo statement

2013-10-09 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I agree to appoint leader under clear procedures, so I am not sure of representing without procedure is authorised in ietf, but I trust that ietf leaders do practice procedure, but not sure if discussion meant that there was something missing in this statement practice. AB On Wednesday, October

Re: leader statements

2013-10-09 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
There should be known limits for chairs, leaders, only if the procedures have mentioned no limits of representation. Trust is there but still there is also levels and limits for trust and representation. AB On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 10/10/2013 08:27, Andrew

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-07 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I agree with Melinda, IETF WG Chair is the key to practice guiding the group to clear consensus, otherwise guide them to best/productive discussions related to improvements in the work or in the consensus. AB On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.comwrote: On

Re: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-02 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Michael, I agree that it should appear in related WG's field or area. I see in IETF we have WGs documents list but not areas' documents list, so the individual document may not be found or discovered. I think any document of IETF should be listed in its field area or related charter, but it

RE: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-02 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
While I think that individual submissions that are not the result of consensus do not belong on a WG page. Where do they belong? I prefer that they belong under the Area page, but is there an area page, not sure why was that not a good idea. But, if the document was the result of consensus,

Re: ORCID - unique identifiers for contributors

2013-09-18 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I agree with both, but maybe the problem is that people from academia are not participating enough to report to ADs their concerns (e.g. what is bad in ietf, or lack of diversity), on the other hand, people from industry are more organised and don't need/want the academians ideas/participations

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile-04.txt (Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6) Profile for 3GPP Mobile Devices) to Informational RFC

2013-09-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 9/9/13, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: I have to agree with Lorenzo here again. This document seems to me to be: 1. Out of scope for the IETF. Please define what is the IETF scope? IMHO, IETF is scoped to do with IPv6 devices requirements and implementations. Do you think

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I agree with you SM, politics and considering countries names in that way, that is out of scope of IETF. Comments below, AB On 9/8/13, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: At 07:07 08-09-2013, Jorge Amodio wrote: You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia There were people from

Re: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA

2013-09-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 9/6/13, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me what the IETF could be doing that it isn't already doing. I'm not talking about what implementors and operators and users should be doing; still less about what legislators should or shouldn't be doing. I care about all

Re: New Mailing List: Internet governance and IETF technical work

2013-09-05 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 9/4/13, IAB Chair iab-ch...@ietf.org wrote: As requested by the community, the IAB has decided to open a mailing list to discuss topics regarding the intersection of Internet governance and IETF technical work. In particular, this list will focus on issues relating to Internet governance

Re: REVISED Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-impl-survey-results-02.txt (The Pseudowire (PW) Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verification (VCCV) Implementation Survey Results) to Informational RFC

2013-09-05 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
review and comments on the draft. I have some answers inline. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: The Reviewer: Abdussalam Baryun Date: 05.09.2013 I-D name: draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-impl-survey-results Received your Request dated 04.09.2013

Unbearable related to misspellings ideas (was Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis)

2013-09-05 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 9/1/13, Eduardo A. Suárez esua...@fcaglp.fcaglp.unlp.edu.ar wrote: What is unbearable to me is that in more than one discussion in a mailing list someone's opinion is censored because misspell their ideas or opinions. I don't think that is unbearable, usually in communications between IP

Re: REVISED Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-impl-survey-results-02.txt (The Pseudowire (PW) Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verification (VCCV) Implementation Survey Results) to Informational RFC

2013-09-04 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
The Reviewer: Abdussalam Baryun Date: 05.09.2013 I-D name: draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-impl-survey-results Received your Request dated 04.09.2013 ++ The reviewer supports the draft subject to amendments. Overall the survey is not easy to be used as source of information related

Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis

2013-09-01 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 9/1/13, S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com wrote: Hi Eduardo, At 23:19 31-08-2013, Eduardo A. Suarez wrote: I think both parties have to try to express clearly. Those who do not have the English as their native language should also try to do so. Agreed. What is unbearable to me is that in

Re: Rude responses

2013-08-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Abdussalam Baryun [abdussalambar...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 August 2013 12:27 To: Pete Resnick Cc: dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile-04.txt (Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6) Profile for 3GPP Mobile Devices) to Informational RFC

2013-08-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Reviewer: Abdussalam Baryun Date: 26.08.2013 As per the IESG request for review dated 19.08.2013 I support the draft, thanks, below are my comments, Overall The draft is about 3GPP Mobile Devices but the draft has no normative reference to such device

Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard)

2013-08-25 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I experienced rude respondings in IETF list and in one WG list, I don't beleive that it is culture of IETF participants, but it seems that some people should understand to be polite and reasonable in such organisation business. Finally, the rude responding is not controled by the chair of thoes

Re: Rude responses (Was: Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt

2013-08-25 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Aaron, I will add that it depends on that is there some one stopping rude actions in IETF, or is it just free to post any respond. I know that the procedure of IETF does mention such actions, but I don't see practicings so far, AB On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Aaron Yi DING

Re: Charging remote participants

2013-08-25 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Hadriel, I agree that charging IETF participants with any money is not a good idea, but charging participants with some effort/work/contribution to do is needed. For example, participants SHOULD do some work in IETF, either review, authoring, attending-meetings, commenting on lists, etc.

Re: The Friday Report (was Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org)

2013-08-05 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I agree with you John, I also not objecting it but wanted more meaning into the report when I receive it, as I suggested before for clarifications. I don't think majority in IETF think it is meaningless so that is why I want to clarify the meaning and discuss what most may not want to discuss. If

Re: Anonymity versus Pseudonymity (was Re: [87attendees] procedural question with remote participation)

2013-08-03 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Adam, I don't agree with you. I am a remote participant (2 years and never attended meetings) in the IETF organisation, do you think that IETF is fare in treating remote participants? I think the current IETF direction is in favor of attended-meeting participants, so IMHO one reason of some

Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2013-08-03 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Thomas, Please note that the week did not end yet (IMO ends on Saturday night) but your week is starting from Friday and end on Thursday night. If we follow your week then I prefer if you post at end of Friday (as in the end of working days of 5 in each week). However, in my comment below I

The Friday Report (was Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org)

2013-08-03 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 8/3/13, Patrik Fältström p...@frobbit.se wrote: On 3 aug 2013, at 08:46, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer if you post at end of Friday (as in the end of working days of 5 in each week). However, in my comment below I will follow the week as done in world

Re: making our meetings more worth the time/expense (was: Re: setting a goal for an inclusive IETF)

2013-07-31 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I agree with some of your points, thanks, comments below, On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.comwrote: http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/07/a-diverse-ietf/ Also, I wanted to let everyone know that tomorrow in the Administrative Plenary, Kathleen Moriarty and

Re: making our meetings more worth the time/expense (was: Re: setting a goal for an inclusive IETF)

2013-07-31 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
IMHO, The presenters are MUST, but the time channel for presenting is the problem or boring factor. I mentioned before that we need short presentations 5 minutes, and more discussions. AB On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.comwrote: On Jul 30, 2013, at 7:47

Re: making our meetings more worth the time/expense (was: Re: setting a goal for an inclusive IETF)

2013-07-31 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I think *side meetings* are killing IETF, I call it *hidden meetings*, there is no input for IETF when we have side meetings. The input to IETF in through meeting sessions and discussion lists. So I agree with Keith that meeting sessions have low discussions, and may discourage remote participants

Re: making our meetings more worth the time/expense

2013-07-31 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
comments below On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.comwrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 08:38:26AM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: It's been pointed out before that in a group with very diverse languages, written words are usually better understood than

Re: setting a goal for an inclusive IETF

2013-07-31 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Jari, I have gave many feedback on the diversity issue, and I thank you for the article, I agree with iot totally. I will repeat my comment, that the design team of diversity SHOULD make clear what is its goals and milestones, therefore, we can give better feedback, but leaving that hidden to

Re: making our meetings more worth the time/expense (was: Re: setting a goal for an inclusive IETF)

2013-07-31 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Barry, Sorry for long meesage, I will give you a real example which I experienced that includes my request regarding a WG ietf draft that has no presenter but two people in the WG that want discuss it in meetings as below real story. I want to confirm my statement of hidden

Re: Oh look! [Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials]

2013-07-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 7/27/13, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: one locates it (IETF Home Page - IESG - Members) one even gets contact information as a bonus. And the listing of AD names is pretty useless without contact info. As from my remote participant experience in IETF Routing Area (rtg), I was

Re: Remote participants access to Meeting Mailing Lists was Re: BOF posters in the welcome reception

2013-07-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I agree with your suggestion Christer. Remote-participants have right to register their attendance because they do attend remotely and IETF SHOULD register their information if available. Last meetings I did not like that I was not registered because I am remote, but now I feel more welcomed. I

Re: BOF posters in the welcome reception

2013-07-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 7/24/13, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: --On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 09:22 +0300 IETF Chair ch...@ietf.org wrote: I wanted to let you know about an experiment we are trying out in Berlin. ... But we want as many people as possible to become involved in these efforts, or at

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

2013-07-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 7/26/13, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: The consensus of the IETF is that: newcomers who attend Working Group meetings are encouraged to observe and absorb whatever material they can, but should not interfere with the ongoing process of the group This is bad for IETF, why no

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

2013-07-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Thanks, I agree with your points/suggestions. I want to add; a) Work/Participation in IETF is remotely to run its daily business. b) Newcomers (how many we have per meeting); are always welcomed, no one in IETF have been participating for longer than 30 years, so some how could we say

Re: Sunday IAOC Overview Session at the Berlin IETF

2013-07-16 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
disruption has caused problems for meeting effectiveness - e.g. a blizzard on the east coast of the USA. Pat -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hinden Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 12:56 PM To: Abdussalam Baryun Cc: Bob Hinden; ietf

Re: Sunday IAOC Overview Session at the Berlin IETF

2013-07-16 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Bob, thanks and respond below, On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Bob Hinden bob.hin...@gmail.com wrote: AB, IMO the questions/comments that may be ok to see added to discuss are: 1) Venue selection and operation of the IETF meetings - Selection of the current

Re: Sunday IAOC Overview Session at the Berlin IETF

2013-07-12 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Bob, IMO the questions/comments that may be ok to see added to discuss are: 1) Venue selection and operation of the IETF meetings - Selection of the current venue and was there difficulties until getting to this meeting session time. From the managing meeting (providing

comment for draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00 (was Re: Regarding call Chinese names)

2013-07-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Hui Deng, My comment for the draft is that I want to relate it to IETF as below, which I see that already some on IETF addressed by draft already call names including regional calling culture, which is excellent. The document will increase awareness and make the IETF culture more diversive.

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Paul, I agree with you if someone attends without presenting work, but I think the fees is reasonable if we compare with other conferences fees per day (don't forget your free to presentations of your docs and get feedback from many sessions, this may change in future if higher load). If the

Re: Call for Comment on draft-iab-anycast-arch-implications-09 on Architectural Considerations of IP Anycast

2013-07-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
The informational-draft does not define IP anycast or does not refer to a document that defines the IP anycast (anycast was defined as refer to rfc1546). However, I think it is a draft for anycast services/methods in IP protocols (Internet Anycast), not only IP anycast. AB On 7/3/13, IAB Chair

Comments For I-D: draft-moonesamy-nomcom-eligibility-00 (was Re: The Nominating Committee Process: Eligibility)

2013-06-28 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
This message is reply to an author of a new draft under ietf discussion. If this list is not the correct place to discuss such matter, then the list's responsible Chair is required to give details of where to discuss such new work. + Hi Moonesamy,

Re: The Nominating Committee Process: Eligibility

2013-06-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Thanks Moonesamy, I support the draft, it will give all participants from all the world equal opputunity. I made input related to this on the list because I found that I am remote participant and there was limits and conditions which I don't want. However, there may be some reasons that IETF done

Re: Accessibility of IETF Remote Participation Services

2013-06-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
As per a request I received from you Dear Bernard, Chair, IETF Remote Participation Services Committee Thanks for your message. I am a remote participant that never ever came to the IETF meetings and not sure if I would. I think my experience may help your committee

Re: documenting feedback of meeting venues

2013-06-23 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
a communication delay tolerance time for about three months because people may be busy, but don't forget my requests :-) On 3/10/13, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: To: Bob Hinden, (presented at IAOC overview) My question to Bob; why not document the feedback (of meeting venues

Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2013-06-21 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
* For Week 25 in 2013 About 17 subjects discussed, about 6 IETF LCs, about 3 Gen-Art Review. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com wrote: Messages | Bytes | Who +--++--+ 1.83% | 3 | 2.01% | 25980 |

Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2013-06-21 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Stewart, I don't have any problem with the report/reminder only that it has missing important information. The subjects of discussions are not counted, so I counted them. Also the report does not distinguish between general-posting and replying to IETF LCs. AB On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:00

Re: IETF Diversity

2013-06-19 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Commenting is already an action taken, so we thank who made effort to bring the points forward. I always add my comments even though I had given no title. However, thoes folks that have been given titles by the IETF I think they should do actions more regarding this diversity issue as

Re: IETF Diversity

2013-06-19 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I think all need mentoring. It is a both way learning for top and down levels. So maybe newcomer can be mentoring to management of what is a newcomer like these days :-) AB

Re: IETF Diversity

2013-06-18 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 6/18/13, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: I am rather disappointed that there hasn't been any followup to the diversity discussion that took place at the plenary. I thought there are some people following/working this up, and made some progress. However, I agree that I seen no

Re: [manet] Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-06-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
The IETF Last Call has finished after 06.06.13 and now you request discussions. I think only IESG can call for discussions not editors. On 6/10/13, Ulrich Herberg ulr...@herberg.name wrote: We have submitted a new revision of the draft, addressing one comment from Adrian during IETF LC (which

Re: Content-free Last Call comments

2013-06-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
A comment is a comment (important for discussing) which I want to see, no matter if content-free or not, the origin requester (IETF Last Call/WGLC) of such comments SHOULD specify which type of comment they want if necessary. As long as it is a comment-on-discuss-lists any can ask questions to the

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-ospf-manet-single-hop-mdr-03.txt (Use of OSPF-MDR in Single-Hop Broadcast Networks) to Experimental RFC

2013-06-07 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
how to configure RFCs 5614 and 5820 for the special case of a single-hop network. Richard On 6/6/13 3:15 AM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: I send my request to the editors including questions but no reply from them to me. The thread [1] raised some issues, which is not mentioned in the I-D

Re: Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2013-06-07 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi thomas, AB Comment on the summary report I recommend to add a column for subjects (number of subjects), because the number of subject participated in is very important is such summary. I think the pupose of this summary should be added as well in each post, I don't know why, only I expect

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-06-07 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
to IESG only the complaint request of acknowledgement and the community reviews in IETF-LC. The wg chair mentioned my complaint in his report. I wait for the IESG decisions related to this I-D. Best Regards Abdussalam Baryun A Participant working in IETF (subscribed) A Memebr of Internet Society

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-ospf-manet-single-hop-mdr-03.txt (Use of OSPF-MDR in Single-Hop Broadcast Networks) to Experimental RFC

2013-06-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I send my request to the editors including questions but no reply from them to me. The thread [1] raised some issues, which is not mentioned in the I-D. The message [2] was ignored not answered (this is last reminder). The message [3] proposes using RFC5444 into this I-D, or raise the question of

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-06-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
thinking much of the business, the IETF business will only progress with acknowledging the volunteers). I do not propose to do an explicit consensus call on whether Abdussalam should be named in this draft. IMO, it should have been done in the WG. AB From: Abdussalam Baryun

Re: [manet] Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-06-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Reply to your request dated 24/05/2013 I-D: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03 Draft Reviewed By: Abdussalam Baryun (AB)Dated:06/06/2013 Reviewer Comment A3: Use Cases not considered and the Information Bases Threats. +++ *Use-cases threats* Reading

Re: [manet] Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-06-06 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
-03 Draft Reviewed By: Abdussalam Baryun (AB)Dated:06/06/2013 Reviewer Comment A3: Use Cases not considered and the Information Bases Threats. +++ *Use-cases threats*

Re: Forwarding AODV messages over a tunnel

2013-06-05 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 6/5/13, Thomas Meier nscl...@gmx.de wrote: Hello, I want to forward AODV messages over a tunnel (don't worry, it's not for a wormhole attack). its ok, but if it was my AODV network I will be worried. Tunneling is not understood only if I know what network are you tunneling through!! In

Re: Call for Review of draft-iab-rfc4441rev-04.txt, The IEEE 802 / IETF Relationship

2013-06-05 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Reply to your request dated 05.06.2013 Reviewer: Abdussalam Baryun Dated 06.06.2013 The I-D: draft-iab-rfc4441rev-04 A1 Comments: Overall Overall, why does the document start with IEEE before IETF. If this is a document produced by us as IETF, we need to focus on the relationship of OUR

Re: Call for Review of draft-iab-rfc4441rev-04.txt, The IEEE 802 / IETF Relationship

2013-06-05 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I want to discuss this issue of collaboration if I get a response/permission. How can the IETF participant collaborate with IEEE 802 memebr/participant? From the I-D I see that the IETF participant NEEDs the IETF WG chair to do that, but the IEEE 802 participant does not need any chair. Are we

Re: [manet] Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-06-03 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I would hope that IETF add my name in the acknowledgement section of the I-D. I complained to AD about that my efforts in WGLC was not acknowledged by editors even after my request, however, I did not stop reviewing (trying not be discouraged) which I will complete on 6 June with the final

Re: [manet] Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-06-02 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Adrian My comments below, On 6/2/13, Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk wrote: Hi Abdussalam, I think it is a reasonable suggestion for this I-D to make a forward reference to draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-olsrv2-sec Although this work is clearly scoped to NHDP (RFC 6130) as currently

Re: Time in the Air

2013-06-01 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Thanks Mark, This is very interesting results, it is ok if not 100% correct which I think the error can be less than 10%, but I may have different analysis of results. You concluded that homes in Europe had better shortest distances to IETF meetings (assuming that thoes homes have full

Re: [manet] Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-06-01 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Continue Reply to your request dated 24/05/2013 Draft Reviewed By: Abdussalam Baryun (AB)Dated:02/06/2013 Reviewed I-D: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03 Reviewer Comment A2: Referencing the NHDP and related to RFC6130 ++ I think if we got

Re: Issues in wider geographic participation

2013-05-31 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
*. Therefore recommend a Wider Geographic Participation Diversified and not discriminated. Please note that the above is my opinion and believe, but if the comments are wrong, feel free to comment on them. Regards Abdussalam Baryun University of Glamorgan, UK - I worked on four new I-Ds so far

Re: Hands across the water/hands across the sky

2013-05-31 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Spencer. I like your point. I think it is correct that collaboration is needed between all regions for many I-Ds or related I-Ds to the region participants interest. Cross-participation co-authoring between regions may make better results than co-authors from same region. Comments below, On

Re: Fixing: the standards track or RFC series (was: Re: What do we mean when we standardize something?)

2013-05-30 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 5/30/13, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: difficult problems arise when someone comes to us with a spec that might be ok but isn't how we would do it and tries to say you can have this and we will turn over change control as long as you don't really want to make any changes. When a

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-30 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 5/30/13, George Michaelson g...@algebras.org wrote: At risk of alienating my comrades from locations seeking to attract an IETF for local development/inclusiveness and the like reasons, I think John gets to the nub of the matter: the wider community cost, borne by all attendees as a 'silent

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-29 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hello, Thanks alot, we need people like you that tell others about IETF and its real culture, or what they can do by using IETF. If people/community can know what they can do, they will participate. Are the IETF management contacting Internet Societies in South America about participation, and

Re: More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF Meeting in South America)

2013-05-29 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi SM my answer to your reply, On 5/27/13, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hi Abdussalam, At 16:38 26-05-2013, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: I think they SHOULD have, and all of us should do the same, because IETF will expand and become stronger by increasing participants from ALL Internet community

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-29 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 5/29/13, S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com wrote: I wasn't unable to attend an IETF meeting some time ago due to an administrative issue. The proposal I intended to discuss about (it was discussed during a session) was not adopted. With hindsight I'll say that the proposal would not have

Re: Participation per Region of Authoring IETF documents vs Marketing

2013-05-29 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
on the figures/statistics. If you disagree or have any comment please reply/advise. Thanking you, AB On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Eggert, Lars l...@netapp.com wrote: Hi, On May 28, 2013, at 19:46, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: by looking into the statistics of I

Re: Participation per Region of Authoring IETF documents vs Marketing

2013-05-29 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 5/29/13, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: by looking into the statistics of I-Ds and RFCs, it is strange that we get sometimes high rate in the I-D going in IETF from some regions but the success rate of I-Ds to become RFCs is very low (5- 50). There seems to be a general pattern

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

2013-05-28 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
It is difficult to read, because I am expecting a process and find something else, I started to read, but got confused (stoped reading), why you are titling it as creating WG-draft and mentioning the adoption into the document. I understand that the creating first is *individual-draft* not

Re: Participation per Region of Authoring IETF documents vs Marketing

2013-05-28 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
:46 PM, Eggert, Lars l...@netapp.com wrote: On May 27, 2013, at 15:31, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/27/13, Eggert, Lars l...@netapp.com wrote: On May 27, 2013, at 12:10, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: Each IETF document mentions the authors

Participation per Region of Authoring IETF documents vs Marketing

2013-05-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Each IETF document mentions the authors place address (I may suggest adding region, as a categorised by IETF), but not sure of history statistics of how many IETF-documents produced by authors in South America, Africa, or Asia, or others. I think it is a good marketing start for IETF to get

Re: Issues in wider geographic participation

2013-05-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi John, I agree and I will add, that What makes that participant continue to volunteer, or even witness/read the ietf work process? Making someone interested to do something freely is not an easy task. The difficulty is how to make that individual participate with value, he/she may need help to

Re: Participation per Region of Authoring IETF documents vs Marketing

2013-05-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 5/27/13, Eggert, Lars l...@netapp.com wrote: On May 27, 2013, at 12:10, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: Each IETF document mentions the authors place address (I may suggest adding region, as a categorised by IETF), but not sure of history statistics of how many IETF

Re: [manet] Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-05-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Reply to your request dated 24/05/2013 Draft Reviewed By: Abdussalam Baryun (AB)Dated:27/05/2013 Reviewer Comment A1: Previous comments in WGLC +++ Related to your request below please read my previous review comments [1] and I will continue

Re: [manet] Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-05-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
-archive/web/manet/current/msg15274.html I didn't see the support of your comments from other WG participants. best Jiazi 2013/5/27 Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com Reply to your request dated 24/05/2013 Draft Reviewed By: Abdussalam Baryun (AB)Dated:27/05/2013 Reviewer

Re: [manet] Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-05-27 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On 5/27/13, Jiazi YI yi.ji...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think those comments have been addressed/answered in my previous reply http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet/current/msg15274.html I didn't see the support of your comments from other WG participants. I also didn't see objection

Re: More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF Meeting in South America)

2013-05-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I support to add the new region, hoping in future Africa gets its chance. IMO, I thought about it from another point of view. After a long time of having IETF meetings mostly in one region (as history of North America region gaining most meetings), the result of that was that IETF participants are

Re: More participation from under-represented regions

2013-05-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi SM, There are some from Africa trying to find the way in, but they may not mention it, however, training is not important much to make people participate but the type of training and its period inside organisation not outside. For example, I notice that there was one African participant (not

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-26 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I support the ietf-meeting in new regions, and reply as below, On 5/26/13, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: The IAOC has put forward two reasons for having an IETF meeting in South America: Encouraging growing participation will help strengthen the Internet, further encourage

Re: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting in South America)

2013-05-25 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I don't think there is any general solution to the early vs. complete tradeoff [1], IMHO, that general answer is; having good organisation or management from all parts participants, discussion chairs and from directors. nor, as long as we keep trying to deal with things as collections of

General Comment on AD Review or IESG Review

2013-05-25 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Hi Just small comment on the AD review, and to show my expectation. I hope to know your expectations of reviews. If we know the expectations of the community we will progress better. I expect that the AD review overviews all I-D pieces and also all the WG participants input within the WGLC.

Re: General Comment on AD Review or IESG Review

2013-05-25 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Connecting ideas related to the same I-D is not an easy task, usually reviewers just do their own review without reading others. I try to read all reviews (if time is available) or input related to I-D to connect ideas to help in better my review results or quality. I recommend that such

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-18 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
The problem is that WG participants SHOULD follow/update their milestones and take responsibility to progress work to thoes goals direction. The Chair SHOULD follow the WG requests, or the Chair SHOULD encourage discussing the milestones. I already requested before that all WGs SHOULD discuss

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-18 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
Instead of a WG progress report, what I had in mind was a separate report for each work item. The report should briefly describe I agree with you totally, that work-item-report SHOULD be copied to AD and WG. That report is needed mostly when the work does not target its milestone, requesting

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process]

2013-05-16 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
On May 15, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Adrian Farrel adrian at olddog.co.uk wrote: The claim (or one of the claims) is that some ADs may place Discusses that are intended to raise a discussion with the authors/WG that could equally have been raised with a Comment or through direct email. This, it is

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