Re: [Int-area] Some thoughts on draft-yong-intarea-inter-sites-over-tunnels

2016-11-29 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Brian, Joe, and et al, Thank you for the questions and comments. Please see inline below. -Original Message- From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 10:00 PM To: int-area@ietf.org Subject: [Int-area] Some

Re: [Int-area] IETF97 Minutes

2016-11-28 Thread Lucy yong
? Regards, Lucy From: Juan Carlos Zuniga [mailto:j.c.zun...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 7:44 PM To: Lucy yong Cc: int-area@ietf.org; wassim.had...@ericsson.com; suresh.krish...@ericsson.com Subject: Re: [Int-area] IETF97 Minutes Lucy, We always arrange the agenda by Internet Area

Re: [Int-area] IETF97 Minutes

2016-11-28 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Juan and Wassim, It was my surprise that my talk time was cut out due to whatever reason. I informed you very early about this new draft coming and asked 10min for the talk, then the talk was cut to 5min and then not given a chance to talk at all in the meeting. We worked very hard to make

Re: [Int-area] New Version Notification for draft-yong-intarea-inter-sites-over-tunnels-00.txt

2016-10-31 Thread Lucy yong
you mind presenting AERO applicability for sites interconnection in Seoul int-area meeting? Thanks, Lucy -Original Message- From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:fred.l.temp...@boeing.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 12:38 PM To: Lucy yong; int-area@ietf.org Subject: RE: New Version

Re: [Int-area] Moving GUE from nvo3 to intarea

2016-06-22 Thread Lucy yong
Yes, good to work on it under intarea. Lucy -Original Message- From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Suresh Krishnan Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 6:33 PM To: Internet Area; Alia Atlas; nvo3-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-nvo3-gue...@ietf.org;

Re: [Int-area] draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels

2015-11-02 Thread Lucy yong
> The draft describes the arch and req. for use portion of the Internet > providing a link to other portion of the Internet. > > There are also applications that using portion of the Internet > provides many links to individual private IP networks, i.e. one link > to one private IP network.

Re: [Int-area] draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels

2015-10-31 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Joe, Your tunnel draft addresses IP tunnel in the Internet, i.e. both M network and N network (in the draft) are on the Internet. The draft describes the arch and req. for use portion of the Internet providing a link to other portion of the Internet. There are also applications that using

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-01.txt

2015-08-24 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Joe, Please see inline below. -Original Message- From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 1:47 PM To: Lucy yong; Templin, Fred L Cc: to...@isi.edu; int-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-01.txt Hi, Lucy, On 8/24

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-01.txt

2015-08-21 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Fred, [snip] I'm assuming everything needs to be configured - there's no way to run a tunnel without configuring both ingress and egress. I would consider all the ingresses that lead to one egress as one tunnel, i.e., a multipoint tunnel. Yes, that needs to be added to the

Re: [Int-area] I-D Action:draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6-09.txt

2015-06-26 Thread Lucy yong
Lars, I am confused by your comment. This thread is about GRE encapsulation over IPv6 network. Not about UDP encapsulation. Lucy -Original Message- From: Eggert, Lars [mailto:l...@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:14 PM To: Lucy yong Cc: Ronald Bonica; int-area@ietf.org

[Int-area] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6-09.txt

2015-06-25 Thread Lucy yong
Some comments: Section 2.1 description is not right. GRE checksum can't detect a mis-delivered packet and neither the checksum function in the payload. GRE checksum only provides integrity check on GRE header and GRE payload. Only IPv4 payload has the equivalent payload integrity check as of

Re: [Int-area] Why combine IP-in-UDP with GUE?

2015-04-29 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Fred, Change the GUE header to treat the first nibble as a next header selector. 4 means IPv4, 6 means IPv6 and X means GUE. [Lucy] As I mentioned in several previous mails, I don't think that this is a good design for GUE. Even if a compression is required, the solution SHOULD use a

Re: [Int-area] Why combine IP-in-UDP with GUE?

2015-04-29 Thread Lucy yong
-Original Message- From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 2:32 AM To: int-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Int-area] Why combine IP-in-UDP with GUE? I confess that I have only skimmed this thread, but as far as I can see

Re: [Int-area] Why combine IP-in-UDP with GUE?

2015-04-29 Thread Lucy yong
Getting back to our earlier discussion, IP-in-UDP and GUE are currently two half-solutions. Put them together and you get a whole solution. Keep them apart, and someone else is going to have to write a whole solution sometime down the line from now. [Lucy] GUE can support IP payload. Don't

Re: [Int-area] Why combine IP-in-UDP with GUE?

2015-04-28 Thread Lucy yong
-Original Message- From: Joe Touch [mailto:to...@isi.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 1:29 PM To: Lucy yong; Templin, Fred L; Tom Herbert Cc: int-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Int-area] Why combine IP-in-UDP with GUE? On 4/28/2015 11:24 AM, Lucy yong wrote: Hi Fred, GUE uses UDP

Re: [Int-area] Why combine IP-in-UDP with GUE?

2015-04-28 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Fred, GUE uses UDP port to indicate GUE encapsulation as UDP payload and GUE has prototype field to indicate the payload type. Making an exception and requiring inspection of first nibble at end points is not a good idea. Yes, GUE has an officially assigned UDP port number (same

Re: [Int-area] Why combine IP-in-UDP with GUE?

2015-04-28 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Fred, GUE uses UDP port to indicate GUE encapsulation as UDP payload and GUE has prototype field to indicate the payload type. Making an exception and requiring inspection of first nibble at end points is not a good idea. I don't like the combination approach. Regards, Lucy

Re: [Int-area] Why combine IP-in-UDP with GUE?

2015-04-28 Thread Lucy yong
Joe, There's no downside to using the existing IP version field here, and there are many downsides to using a duplicate field. [Lucy] GUE is designed to encapsulate a payload, not just IP payload. GUE protocol field needs to support IP payload type because the tunnel may require other

Re: [Int-area] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6-05.txt

2015-04-09 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Ron, Security considerations should state that IPsec [RFC4301] can be used to provide payload security and privacy over an IP network where the security is a concern. Thanks, Lucy -Original Message- From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Bonica Sent:

Re: [Int-area] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-04-02 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Carlos, I am not clear what you propose. UDP checksum includes IP header. GRE does not. Lucy From: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) [mailto:cpign...@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 2:01 PM To: Black, David; Lucy yong Cc: Ronald P. Bonica; int-area@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org; draft-ietf

Re: [Int-area] WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6 - Ethertypes

2015-04-01 Thread Lucy yong
I am fine with proposed work around to Section 2.2 but that does not resolve the text in Section 4.1. If this document is just to document existing implementation, it needs point out the usage constraints when IPv6 is as delivery network. I proposed the draft text, Tom had the revised text. Do

Re: [Int-area] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-31 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Ron, 3c) may happen for a VPN or non-VPN case. The payload can be in non-IPv6 space. Is “Outcome 3c) is not acceptable, but it extremely unlikely.” for particular network/usage in your mind? Is the goal here to prove such corruption is acceptable or extreme unlikely? Regards, Lucy From:

Re: [Int-area] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-31 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Carlos, I am not clear what you propose here. UDP checksum includes IP header, GRE checksum does not. Regards, Lucy From: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) [mailto:cpign...@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 2:01 PM To: Black, David; Lucy yong Cc: Ronald P. Bonica; int-area

Re: [Int-area] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-31 Thread Lucy yong
corruption extremely unlikely or the case where GRE payload is able to tolerate the packet corruption. Thanks, Lucy From: Lucy yong Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 2:23 PM To: 'Ronald Bonica'; Black, David; int-area@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-intarea-gre-i...@tools.ietf.org; intarea-cha

Re: [Int-area] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-31 Thread Lucy yong
Minor tweak. ☺ From: Lucy yong Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:42 PM To: Lucy yong; Ronald Bonica; Black, David; int-area@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-intarea-gre-i...@tools.ietf.org; intarea-cha...@ietf.org Subject: RE: Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6 Hi Ron and Carlos

Re: [Int-area] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-30 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Ron, 1) and 2 ) are fine. IMO: 3) works under certain conditions but not all. I add David Black (TSVWG chair) to the thread. He can provide the thorough check. Regards, Lucy From: Ronald Bonica [mailto:rbon...@juniper.net] Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 4:49 PM To: Lucy yong; Zuniga

Re: [Int-area] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-30 Thread Lucy yong
Thanks authors to add section 4.1. I am not sure if the statement of “However, even if the delivery header is corrupted, to likelihood of that corruption resulting in misdelivery of the payload is extremely low.” is proper. IPv6 requires the end point/upper layer to deal with the header

Re: [Int-area] comment on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-09 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Templin, -Original Message- From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:fred.l.temp...@boeing.com] Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:15 PM To: Lucy yong; Ronald Bonica; int-area@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Int-area] comment on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6 Hi Lucy, Also, you say: [Lucy] RFC2473

Re: [Int-area] comment on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-09 Thread Lucy yong
Regards, Lucy Thanks - Fred fred.l.temp...@boeing.com Thanks, Lucy Thanks - Fred fred.l.temp...@boeing.com -Original Message- From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Templin, Fred L Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:52 AM To: Lucy yong

Re: [Int-area] comment on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-08 Thread Lucy yong
Hi Templin, -Original Message- From: Int-area [mailto:int-area-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lucy yong Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 12:09 PM To: Ronald Bonica; int-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Int-area] comment on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6 Hi Ron, RFC2784 has

Re: [Int-area] comment on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-05 Thread Lucy yong
? This is not a concern when IPv4 network is the delivery network. Thanks, Lucy -Original Message- From: Ronald Bonica [mailto:rbon...@juniper.net] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 11:57 AM To: int-area@ietf.org; Lucy yong Subject: RE: [Int-area] comment on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6 Hi Lucy

[Int-area] comment on draft-ietf-intarea-gre-ipv6

2015-03-04 Thread Lucy yong
Hi, If this draft is to document the protocol of gre in IPv6 exact same as of gre in IPv4 and update rfc2784, IMHO, it should point out the gre application behavior differences in IPv4 network and IPv6 network. The exact same protocol does not mean the same behavior for an application since