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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Larry Garfield wrote:
1) use MyDate as DateTime. I believe Greg pointed out the solution
here.
When PHP 5.5 is released and adds its own Whatever class, you just do
the
following
and renaming the class file will usually do - if you use the full
class name everywhere. However, just trying to
search and replace Stuff will probably break your code.
How can there be available refactoring tools that account for namespaces when
released PHP doesn't have namespaces yet?
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to braces at the same
time makes sense. It's much easier to parse visually (by a human) in that
case, and there's no reason I know of why we couldn't still forbid
non-namespaced code in a namespace-using file to avoid confusing weirdness.
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On Monday 17 December 2007, Jeff Moore wrote:
On Dec 17, 2007, at 10:30 PM, Larry Garfield wrote:
I'm assuming that making the function above GC-able would be a
herculean task
at this point, based on previous comments, but I do not actually
know myself.
Hi Larry,
Let me use
, and
results in more code complexity, not less.
A complete namespace implementation supports both classes and functions
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deprecated or a strict-violation.
So I guess I'm -1: Restore them, always return false, and throw E_DEPRECATED.
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(if it is, that's fine, let me
know and I'll shut up about it g), but that strikes me as more useful than
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On Monday 18 February 2008, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
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You also note that this mechanism has no runtime impact. That's
unfortunate, because I'd find the ability to add methods to an object at
runtime conditionally based on some other value far more useful in my
work
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issues.
The reason why private is beneficial and different because it will allow
you to develop self contained functionality which can be attached to
random classes. This can be quite useful for Timers, Counters,
Containers, etc...
Andi
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Ah, I thought you were talking about both. Non-public makes more sense for
properties, but I thought you were talking about methods not having ppp either.
No worries then.
/de-lurk
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, not you personally) not be able/willing
to make that you would be able/willing to make if it were? And is it able or
willing?
I think that's the question many people still don't have a clear answer to
(from any DB vendor, at least that I've seen).
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of this function, with the same semantics as pulling in a global
variable. Aside from the introduction of another reserved word, it seemed
like a well-received idea and a good solution.
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If nature has made any
, anyway?
(Of course, the answer is well I do but I've long since learned that such
answers don't carry much weight around here, so I mostly just read to see
where the language is going rather than to influence it. So I've just
resigned myself to not being able to use namespaces in PHP.)
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not being that much of a
WTF at all (I somehow had a different behaviour for JS in mind, I
probably got confused with yet another language).
Anyway, feel free to comment.
Should comments from user-space folk be posted here or as comments at the
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probably got confused with yet another language).
Anyway, feel free to comment.
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;
$f-myfunc = function($c) {
lexical $b;
print $a; // This generates an error, no?
print $b; // This prints 5, right?
print $c; // Should print whatever $c is.
}
$f-myfunc(3);
Or is the above a parse error entirely?
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it will be too late to fix. I don't think anyone has made that argument yet,
but I'm trying to head it off before someone does. g)
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On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:33:08 +0200, Alexander Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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function ($x, $y) use ($a, $b, $c) {};
I am not sure if use is the clearest word to use there (wouldn't
lexical
there make more sense?)
I agree. use for both
the lambda is invoked, which could be a long time later.
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really bit me, resulting in the need to duplicate code. I'll see
about sending it to the list tomorrow from work as a practice example we can
kick around. :-) (At least I think it's an LSB issue; if it isn't, I'm sure
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and locking for you? (That is, I think, part of the meaning behind the
obvious solution, write to a socket yourself, not being the right solution,
letting someone else do the hard stuff for you.)
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PHP 5.3 instead of 5 years when I'm able to use PHP 5.4 or PHP 6. :-) I do
understand the need to draw a line somewhere and justbloodyshipit(tm),
however, so if that's the decision I can accept that.
Regards,
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a couple spelling and grammar errors. :-)
Feel free to correct them if you have access to the wiki.
I do not believe I do.
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($a, $b) use ($c, $d) global ($e, $f) {
};
Which I think is much more self-explanatory, accomplishes the same goal, and
still does not introduce any new keywords. (I still think lexical is
better than use, and safe, but whatev. g)
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of moving in the same direction, with our
database layer moving over to PDO with intent to ship with a SQLite database
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no good way to differentiate between by-ref and by-value
importing. The latter has a very intuitive way. That's why (IIRC) it was
used.
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On Thursday 14 August 2008 12:36:29 am Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
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I would also note that include up front and have a good autoload scheme
works great if you are writing all classes. If you're trying to use
namespaces and functions, there is no autoload. That makes
)
Regards,
Stan Vassilev
Not looking to start a flame war, really, but how do the above opcode concerns
impact Phar? (I mention that here because it was discussed as a potential
alternative to multiple namespaces per file to avoid the many-stats problem.)
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nothing intrinsic in namespaces that doesn't work without classes. Can you
explain to me how namespaces are conceptually dependent on classic OOP?
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be great if it
wasn't already in use, but that sort of change is really not appropriate for
5.3. What other symbols are available or could be created? (::: has been
suggested and would give the opportunity to introduce more Hebrew into the
language parser...)
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functions makes namespaces mostly useless for anyone who is not 100% OOP.
There's no reason to make functions second-class citizens (no pun intended).
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in a different context. That just makes my brain hurt even more than
reusing :: does.
I'd argue there's nothing uniquely intuitive about :: as a namespace operator
other than the current 5.3 alpha uses it.
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that doesn't cause
problems may not be a simple task, but please don't pretend that has any
special significance to namespaces in concept.
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code that
doesn't use namespaces at all, under that setup, would not have the extra
autoload magically popup? It's just code that declares a namespace that
would have to also explicitly use its internal classes? If so, then +1
from me. If not, I'm undecided.
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way to deal with
that issue necessarily, but I think that's the sort of use case it's intended
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to use it as:
class Bob implements Interface { }
Which is of course wrong on many levels. I'd file this under if it breaks
when you do that, don't do that. :-)
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that they will be available for bug
fixing and BC issues resolving. the risk here is obviously that any BC
issues will be hard to isolate for end users.
+0
8) MFH mcrypt cleanups in HEAD. either the make sense or they dont, so
either (choose one)
a) revert in HEAD
b) MFH to 5.3
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lexical
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No, I didn't explicitly say to keep the existing syntax as well; I figured it
was implicit. If that didn't make it through, I apologize.
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statement exists in the script, which is
unlikely to be detectable as a performance difference for even the
largest scripts.
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Greg
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$closure = $a-getClosure();
$o-foo = $closure-bindTo($o);
Now, are $closure-var and $o-foo-var the same object or no? I'm assuming
they are from the RFC, but then how do you implement a deep clone of the
closure on binding if you need to?
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sense for your use case.
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$this-loadedMods[caller-module_id()] = caller;
return caller-onLoad();
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and you probably shouldn't be doing it. (Isn't there a Bjarn Straussup quote
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soon, although I not really qualified to comment on the C code itself, just the
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the same way as classes.
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it doesn't exist, ['b'] to B iff it
doesn't exist, etc. That is far nicer to read than a bunch of ternaries,
short-circuited or no. You can even stick the defaults array into a function
and call it from various places to ensure your array always has the same sane
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rebind a closure on __clone().
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is that deprecating PHP 4 is not as onerous as it might seem
just from the Nexen stats; the hosts are already ready.
Oh yes, and hi list!
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one file would add a great deal of flexibility, stat-count aside.
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completed the process.
So it all depends on your caching configuration and use-case. Loading a ton
of code that you never use is not good for performance.
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If nature has made
that transition easier? (We can host upgrade guides written
by others too, I suspect.)
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in the first day,
combined with the other hosts I've spoken to, suggest that simple inertia is
the problem at this point, not simply no hosts offer it.
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app to run correctly in
PHP 5 is not the herculean task that some make it out to be. You
don't /have/ to rewrite everything to use objects. Even the procedural code
is easier, with the extra array manipulation routines. :-)
That sounds like more of a marketing issue.
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of markers or lots of conditionals) quite difficult.
As I said, feel free to assuage my fear if appropriate. :-)
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-functional prototype language. The only
things they have in common are their first four letters. :-)
Thanks again for the response.
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be to see what is commonly
pre-installable or pre-installed at shared hosts. phpMyAdmin and
Squirrelmail seem to be everywhere. WordPress, Drupal, Joomla, and PHPBB
seem to turn up in free scripts! lists a lot.
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whatever crap it is) and the rest of the universe (at least the parts of it
that I've seen) defaults to UTF-8.
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of people are giddy. :-)
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Seems to me...
Both need to be done.
Do both, or pick one if you can't do both, and somebody else will do
the other. That's how FLOSS works. :-)
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character-set-intricacy-challenged individual), would ICU it
be analogous to the DOM functions for manipulating XML-like structures? (The
methods parentNode(), childNodes(), appendNode(), etc. are all supposed to
mean the same thing in every language.)
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and not with
FastCGI. So, for me it would be 0 out of 9...
Tijnema
In my processing of hosts applying to GoPHP5.org, I've seen a whole lot of
them. I don't have a ratio (I've not been counting), but it seems to be a
lot more than I expected.
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anyways.
At any rate .. the time is now to make a decision on what its
gonna be.
PHP6 with BC hacks or not.
regards,
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there. How can we minimize
that hair loss?
Right now I really don't know what the answer is. That's why I'm asking the
question, because as C is really not a comfortable language for me anymore I
have little ability to affect it directly.
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I've tested it with the .phpt-tests Dmitry provided. Enjoy:)
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didn't get that from the mail archive link posted yesterday.
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-assistance IDEs more data, so they could provide method-completion.
As nice a feature as that would be, I don't think it's worth modifying the
language syntax for. I agree that in a loosely typed language that sort of
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cross-database compatibility, I'd recommend it over rolling your own. If you
can guarantee that you'll only need insert some database here, then the
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, but I can work with either.
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languages will be Javascript and SQL, not C++ or C#, so if the goal is to use
a name that's predictable for someone coming from another language we should
assume Javascript as that other language, not Java or C#.
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multiple files in a single directory that are in totally
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that's not the only use of it and not the one I see myself using it for.
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of the introduced
changes are now tested, including the error message for nested namespace
declarations, and the error message for multiple namespace declarations
with ; (which was previously untested by .phpt tests)
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to deal with.
Were the code above to be run, I'd expect and want a namespace A and a
namespace B, and that's it. My code ends up being too non-deterministic
otherwise. Forget the compiler, I can't cope with that. :-)
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of what kind of slow down to
expect.
regards,
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as a class const
(which, being inside a class, is namespace-affected), while define() keeps
working just as it always has.
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If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,
which an individual may
() {}
?
or
?php // Multiple namespaces permitted
namespace Foo {
class X {}
}
namespace Baz {
function bar() {}
}
I agree that allowing stuff in a file outside of a namespace if namespaces are
used would be all kinds of confusing with either syntax.
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Larry Garfield AIM
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