Updated IP Forwarding MIB

2003-08-29 Thread Brian Haberman
All, I have just submitted an update to the IP Forwarding MIB that addresses all the last call comments. If you cannot wait for the I-D editor announcement, a copy is availale at http://www.innovationslab.net/~brian/drafts/fwdmib.txt. Regards, Brian

Re: Comments on draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-00.txt

2003-08-28 Thread Brian Haberman
Hi Geoff, Geoff Huston wrote: I see that the local use address draft has been revised and published as a WG document. In section 3.2.2 of the draft, it notes that, in reference to Locally Assigned Global IDs that the likelihood of conflict is small. I had noted in

Random algorithm in draft-ietf-ipv6-unique-local-addr-00.txt

2003-08-28 Thread Brian Haberman
There have been several comments on eliminating the user input portion of the random selection algorithm. This would, primarily, provide the capability to automate the prefix generation process. After assessing issues with this, I have two possible proposals: 1. Re-use the random ID process

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-rfc2096-update-03.txt

2003-06-26 Thread Brian Haberman
Mike, Thanks for the comments. I have a few follow-ups in-line... 1.) The rationale for adding inetCidrRouteDiscards (and deprecating ipRoutingDiscards in 2011-update) is not documented. While I don't entirely agree with that decision, I can accept it based on the following explanation

Re: Draft on Globally Unique IPv6 Local Unicast Addresses

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Haberman
Bob Hinden wrote: Brian, At 04:22 AM 5/27/2003, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Now, as a pragmatist, I would probably settle for a pseudo-random and probably-unique /48, but not everybody will. I can just imagine a phone call in which I recommend to IBM's chief network architect to use address space

Re: Why I support deprecating SLs

2003-04-04 Thread Brian Haberman
Thomas Narten wrote: Hi James. However, I believe some of the resistance to deprecation may be the result of people who have implementations and would rather not have to pay the costs of ripping out that code and putting in something new. This I don't understand. AFAIK, there is little or no

Re: My Thoughts on Site-Locals

2003-04-04 Thread Brian Haberman
Erik Nordmark wrote: Each zone is required to be convex from a routing perspective, i.e., packets sent from one interface to any other interface in the same zone are never routed outside the zone. No one has objected to it. I have implemented the routing of scoped addresses.

Re: My Thoughts on Site-Locals

2003-04-04 Thread Brian Haberman
Erik Nordmark wrote: Correct. My statement was for the protocol, not the forwarding. That is why I made the follow-on comment about complexity. The next-hop interface's ifindex for the global destination address would have to be checked to ensure that it has the same zone ID as the interface on

Re: dns discovery for agenda? [Re: chairs and charter]

2003-03-19 Thread Brian Haberman
Erik, Erik Nordmark wrote: If we have statefull address autoconfig stateful address autoconfig, I think having an additional mechanism for getting DNS server addresses is not a bad thing. At the transport layer, we have UDP, UDP-lite, DCCP, TCP, SCTP ... to transfer packets. Having multiple

Re: why DNS discovery [Re: Revised IPv6 charter and DNS discovery]

2003-03-11 Thread Brian Haberman
Pekka Savola wrote: On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Tim Chown wrote: On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 06:45:15PM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: No comments from the w.g. except by me and the author. RA-piggybacking has a few different nuances, and I'm not sure if I think the one proposed is necessarily the best one,

Re: Question on MLD

2003-02-27 Thread Brian Haberman
MLD-snooping switches is the biggest reason. Brian Siva Veerepalli wrote: RFC2710 (MLD) states that when a General Membership Query is received, a node listening to the query sends a membership report for all multicast addresses it is listening to, excluding the all-nodes link-local multicast

Re: Question on MLD

2003-02-27 Thread Brian Haberman
Siva Veerepalli wrote: At 02:32 PM 2/27/2003 -0500, Brian Haberman wrote: MLD-snooping switches is the biggest reason. Ok. So, it seems like there would be no need to send these reports for link-local multicast on point-to-point links. Should this clarification be made in the IPv6 over PPP

Re: Question on MLD

2003-02-27 Thread Brian Haberman
Markku Savela wrote: RFC 2462 says that the node MUST join the solicited-node multicast group (which implies using MLD) when performing DAD. Presumably it needs to do the MLD join with ::-src address, because before DAD address is not yet valid. That is exactly what

Re: IPv6 WG Last Call on IPv6 Global Unicast Address Format forthe 2000::/3 Prefix

2003-02-11 Thread Brian Haberman
I agree that Informational is the correct level. I also don't see anything in the doc that is new and needs to be a Standard. Regards, Brian Thomas Narten wrote: Yes. Obsoleting 2374 is (from what I can tell) the point of this document. IMO, putting more into the document than needed to

Re: M O Bits was: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-01.txt

2003-02-06 Thread Brian Haberman
Brian E Carpenter wrote: Brian Haberman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ralph, The text looks really good, what do other thinks? Does anyone have a preference for Stateful Address Autoconfiguration to be a SHOULD or a MAY? I tend to agree with the SHOULD. Since these nodes recognize

Re: M O Bits was: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-01.txt

2003-02-06 Thread Brian Haberman
Jari Arkko wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brian(s); My concern is the scenario where an operator knowingly disables prefix advertisements and enables DHCPv6. If the nodes doesn't do DHCP, it is stuck with only the link-local address. Understood. That certainly deserves a health

Re: M O Bits was: draft-ietf-ipv6-node-requirements-01.txt

2003-02-05 Thread Brian Haberman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ralph, The text looks really good, what do other thinks? Does anyone have a preference for Stateful Address Autoconfiguration to be a SHOULD or a MAY? I tend to agree with the SHOULD. Since these nodes recognize the 'M' 'O' bit-settings, they should be capable of

Re: a few comments on anycast mechanisms

2003-01-29 Thread Brian Haberman
Mika Liljeberg wrote: Hi Brian, On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 00:03, Brian Haberman wrote: The RR mechanism for anycast already requires the ability to use the anycast address as a source address. If we can get agreement on lifting that restriction, I like the idea of keeping changes out of TCP

Re: a few comments on anycast mechanisms

2003-01-29 Thread Brian Haberman
Mika Liljeberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 13:23, Brian Haberman wrote: Mika Liljeberg wrote: I just spotted the following: the RR mechanism sends HoT to the anycast address. How does that work? It might go to a completely different server. There is an assumption that there won't

Re: a few comments on anycast mechanisms

2003-01-29 Thread Brian Haberman
Susceptibility to DoS attacks is another consideration that needs some attention, I think. The RR mechanim in MIPv6 is designed to require no state in CN, but in the anycast RR mechanisms the roles are reversed: here the anycast server is the one holding state. Is that really true? What about

Re:a few comments on anycast mechanisms

2003-01-27 Thread Brian Haberman
I happened to read through a few older anycast-related drafts; a few comments, to try to spark some discussion on how to go forward with anycast. Last, I bring up one idea how to possibly make TCP+anycast work, in relatively simple terms. 1) draft-haberman-ipngwg-host-anycast-01.txt

Re: a few comments on anycast mechanisms

2003-01-27 Thread Brian Haberman
Pekka Savola wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Brian Haberman wrote: There are a _lot_ of issues there, especially if one anycast address can have joins from across multiple routers. Even more so if from across multiple sites/AS's, or more specifically (with some terminology pixie dust) an IGP/iBGP

Re: please reply I am posting 3rd time : Web Server addresses : Unicast, Multicast , Anycast

2003-01-23 Thread Brian Haberman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes that is what the spec says, but reality is always somewhat different. There is no technical reason that an anycast address could not be assigned to any group of hosts. The issue that must be dealt with there are technical reasons why anycast addresses can only be

Re: DAD scope ??

2003-01-06 Thread Brian Haberman
Fred L. Templin wrote: Brian Haberman wrote: Each ipv6-over-foo doc discusses modifications to ND, if necessary, for the particular link technology. Can you point me to any text in the core architecture documents (e.g., RFCs 2461, 2462) that allow this and can be used as normative reference

Re: DAD scope ??

2003-01-06 Thread Brian Haberman
Ole Troan wrote: Each ipv6-over-foo doc discusses modifications to ND, if necessary, for the particular link technology. For example, Section 5 of RFC 2023 (IPv6 over PPP) mentions that DAD is redundant and needn't be run. my interpretation of IPv6 over PPP is different. DAD is redundant only

Re: Proposal for site-local clean-up

2002-11-12 Thread Brian Haberman
Margaret Wasserman wrote: Current text: Hi Brian, Site-local addresses are designed to be used for addressing inside of a site without the need for a global prefix. Although a subnet ID may be up to 54-bits long, it is expected that globally-connected sites will use the

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipv6-prefix-delegation-requirement-00.txt

2002-11-08 Thread Brian Haberman
BELOEIL Luc FTRD/DMI/CAE wrote: Does anyone think that a validity lifetime should be associated to the prefix during prefix delegation? Absolutely. Indeed RAs sent on a link associate a valid lifetime and a preferred lifetime to the advertised prefixes. If your prefix is delegated to you,

Re: A few comments on Site-Local Useage

2002-11-07 Thread Brian Haberman
Pekka Savola wrote: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Keith Moore wrote: What I meant to say that to implement site-locals properly in a router, the vendor should not be OK to say we support access-lists, you can use them to configure site-local borders or that we have nice firewall products, wanna buy one?.

Re: Limiting the Use of Site-Local

2002-10-31 Thread Brian Haberman
Ole Troan wrote: [...] The biggest hit is actually in the forwarding. Each packet gets at least one additional table lookup (for the incoming zone id). Then there are the checks to ensure that the source address is valid (e.g. a site-local SA and global DA trying to cross a site border).

Re: Limiting the Use of Site-Local

2002-10-31 Thread Brian Haberman
Mark Smith wrote: On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 13:13, Brian Haberman wrote: Tony Hain wrote: Mark Smith wrote: ... On a related topic, if I was to stuff up my site local filters at the edge of my site, would my network then become part of my ISPs site local network ? You would both have

Re: Limiting the Use of Site-Local

2002-10-31 Thread Brian Haberman
Margaret Wasserman wrote: I don't see a performance drop in our implementation. an additional table lookup is not needed for forwarding. you need to figure out the scope of the DA of course, but that is needed for link-local/multicast anyway. The issue is that you also have to check the

Default site-local behavior for routers

2002-10-30 Thread Brian Haberman
So, one of the items that Margaret suggested was some text in the node requirements doc or the scoped addr arch that states that nodes default to being in one site. However, there has been some mention that people would prefer different behavior in routers. That is, the stated desire was that,

Re: Default site-local behavior for routers

2002-10-30 Thread Brian Haberman
For the record, my opinion follows Ole's comments. Brian Rob Austein wrote: What Ole said. IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive:

Re: Default site-local behavior for routers

2002-10-30 Thread Brian Haberman
Of Brian Haberman Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Default site-local behavior for routers So, one of the items that Margaret suggested was some text in the node requirements doc or the scoped addr arch that states that nodes default to being in one site

Re: Limiting the Use of Site-Local

2002-10-30 Thread Brian Haberman
Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: could you comment on routing code? (RIPng, OSPFv3) i still think it's way too tough to support multi-sited node. Not that the chairs have finalized the agenda, but I am planning on presenting what it took me to get a site-border router coded and running.

Re: Limiting the Use of Site-Local

2002-10-30 Thread Brian Haberman
Tony Hain wrote: Mark Smith wrote: ... On a related topic, if I was to stuff up my site local filters at the edge of my site, would my network then become part of my ISPs site local network ? You would both have to make an error to get the two IGPs tied together. In the proposed

Re: Forwarding packets with site-local source [Re: Choices to goforward with SL]

2002-10-29 Thread Brian Haberman
Mark, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pekka Savola wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Brian Haberman wrote: Note that KAME only supports this through manual configuration (and a fix) -- clarified in off-the-list discussion. To be compliant with the paragraph: Routers must not forward any packets

Re: Forwarding packets with site-local source [Re: Choices to goforward with SL]

2002-10-29 Thread Brian Haberman
Rich, Richard Draves wrote: Some read it (many): if I configure a site here, I must also block site-locals from spreading out or false site-locals coming in Some others read it: if I use site-locals here, my upstream router will block the site-local addresses from spreading out and

Re: Node Requirements Issue 3

2002-10-25 Thread Brian Haberman
Margaret, Margaret Wasserman wrote: At 12:17 PM 10/24/02, Margaret Wasserman wrote: I think that we should keep site-local addresses in the addressing architecture, but limit their use to non-globally- connected IPv6 networks. Some folks have pointed out that it might have been helpful if I

Re: Node Requirements Issue 3

2002-10-24 Thread Brian Haberman
Hi Roy, Roy Brabson wrote: This is craziness. We (I don't mean just MS) have shipping implementations that support site-locals. We have operational deployments using site-locals. We have applications that work just fine with site-locals. Could you (or someone else who has this working)

Re: Node Requirements Issue 3

2002-10-24 Thread Brian Haberman
Rich, Just for my edification: 1. Who else has site-local support? 2. Can you describe the operational deployments? 3. What applications? Thanks, Brian Richard Draves wrote: This is craziness. We (I don't mean just MS) have shipping implementations that support

Re: Node Requirements status

2002-10-23 Thread Brian Haberman
Hi John, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, The nodes requirement draft has a number of issus to be addressed, so I would like to send a list of open issues then send possible resolutions to the issues in seperate mails. 1) What is the correct level of support for MLD? Should MLDv2 be

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses anddraft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-16 Thread Brian Haberman
Keith, Keith Moore wrote: My point is that I believe that a clean separation should be made between global addresses and scoped addresses. We fully understand how globals and link-locals work. All the others are still being hashed out. If we make this break, the address architecture can

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses anddraft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-13 Thread Brian Haberman
Bob, I went back and re-read the thread you mention below. There is absolutely no reason why discussion of site-locals couldn't be moved to the scoped addressing architecture doc. It wouldn't affect the text needed in the Node Requirements draft and it would put all the scoped addressing

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on Well known site local unicast addresses for DNS resolver

2002-10-12 Thread Brian Haberman
Rob Austein wrote: At Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:13:45 -0700, Bob Hinden wrote: This is a IPv6 working group last call for comments on advancing the following document as a Proposed Standard: Title: Well known site local unicast addresses for DNS resolver I have written about this

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses and draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-10 Thread Brian Haberman
Dave Thaler wrote: -Original Message- From: Brian Haberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses and draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch- v3-10.txt Dave Thaler wrote: From: Brian

Re: Implementation worries about default address selection

2002-10-10 Thread Brian Haberman
Pekka Savola wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Erik Nordmark wrote: [snip] I'm not worried about this. We have exactly the same issue for routing table lookup in hosts and routers; there is no specification that states how to implement caching schemes. We haven't really specified the source

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses and draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-09 Thread Brian Haberman
Dave Thaler wrote: From: Brian Haberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The more I think about it, the more I realize that automagically creating the subnet-local scope zone id isn't going to work. Especially with multiple prefixes per interface. Why not? Can you elaborate? Shouldn't it always

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses and draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-08 Thread Brian Haberman
Robert Elz wrote: Date:Sun, 06 Oct 2002 10:38:32 -0400 From:Margaret Wasserman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | You haven't provided the information that router B would use | to make that determination. Brian Haberman provided

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses and draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-08 Thread Brian Haberman
Margaret Wasserman wrote: I'm not sure, though, that Brian's explanation is consistent with the following line in the scoped address architecture: Each interface belongs to exactly one zone of each possible scope. Based on Brian's explanation, it would seem like the interfaces of

Re: Fwd: [ipv6mib] So, where were we?

2002-10-04 Thread Brian Haberman
It is possible that we could do a combined version of these two choices: - The IPv6 WG does the minimal updates to make the current IPv4 MIBs version-independent. - State-of-the-art MIBs are developed in other areas and groups, as appropriate. What do you folks

Re: Fwd: [ipv6mib] So, where were we?

2002-10-04 Thread Brian Haberman
Robert Elz wrote: The only thing to be aware of, is that we (IPv6) must avoid getting upset if we do lots of work to update some particular MIB, and then just before we're finished, a new better version emerges from elsewhere (which is intended to deprecate some current v4 only MIB). If

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses and draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-03 Thread Brian Haberman
| Every router (whether IPv4 or IPv6) knows what subnets its own interfaces | belong to (or, more accurately, what subnet numbers are assigned to | the links to which it has interfaces). That is the most basic | configuration info provided to a router -- it is provided with that

Re: Link local address for tunnel interfaces

2002-10-02 Thread Brian Haberman
Mukesh Gupta wrote: Hi, Is it required to have a link local address on a tunnel interface. I am implementing IPv6 in IPv6 tunnels and wanted to know whether I should install a link local address on the tunnel interface. Is there any document that talks about this ? RFC 2373, Section 2.8

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses and draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-02 Thread Brian Haberman
Rob, The subnet-scope is delineated in the same manner as the scopes 6,7,8,9... That is, a router maintains a scope zone id per interface. So, if I have a router that has interfaces 1,2,3, 4 and the admin assigns a subnet-local scope zone id of 100 to interfaces 2 and 4, then 2 and 4 are

Re: IPv6 subnet-local addresses and draft-ietf-ipngwg-addr-arch-v3-10.txt

2002-10-02 Thread Brian Haberman
Rob Austein wrote: At Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:35:37 -0400, Brian Haberman wrote: The subnet-scope is delineated in the same manner as the scopes 6,7,8,9... That is, a router maintains a scope zone id per interface. So, if I have a router that has interfaces 1,2,3, 4 and the admin

MAGMA WG Last Call: draft-ietf-magma-mld-source-01.txt

2002-09-26 Thread Brian Haberman
All, This starts the MAGMA Working Group 2 week Last Call period for draft-ietf-magma-mld-source-01.txt. The Last Call will end on October 3rd. Substantive comments should be directed to the MAGMA mailing list. Editorial comments can be made to the author. Regards, Brian Bill

MLD source address selection draft

2002-09-23 Thread Brian Haberman
All, Several people have mentioned the conflict that exists between the MLD spec (RFC 2710) and NDP (RFC 2461). NDP requires nodes to join the solicited-node multicast address in order to perform Address auto-config. However, MLD requires the source IPv6 address to be a valid link-local

Re: Flow label draft issues new text

2002-09-12 Thread Brian Haberman
Margaret Wasserman wrote: If you want to talk DiffServ, IntServ, or something of that flavor, the flow label would be signaled, the router would recognize it during packet classification and deal with it how it sees fit. So, all of the routers would have to participate in signalling to

MAGMA WG Last Call for MLDv2: draft-vida-mld-v2-03.txt

2002-07-29 Thread Brian Haberman
All, This is the start of a MAGMA working group last call on the Multicast Listener Discovery - Version 2 specification. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vida-mld-v2-03.txt The last call period will end on August 13th. Substantive comments should be directed to MAGMA mailing

Re: IPv6 Flow Label Specification

2002-07-10 Thread Brian Haberman
Hi John, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't disagree with you - however my point was I thought that the application should be involved in what value of the flow label is used. Is it really the case that the application needs to be involved in choosing the flow label value? Or is it more

Re: IPv6 Flow Label Specification

2002-07-10 Thread Brian Haberman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't disagree with you - however my point was I thought that the application should be involved in what value of the flow label is used. Is it really the case that the application needs to be involved in choosing the flow label value? Or is it more

Re: Request for Agenda Items for IETF 54 IPv6 Sessions

2002-06-29 Thread Brian Haberman
Francis, I agree that prefix delegation is important for the home sites. Unfortunately, I will not be at IETF 54 to discuss my prefix delegation work. If it becomes an agenda item, I will see about getting someone to participate for me. Regards, Brian Francis Dupont wrote: In your

Re: Fwd: IPv6 Scoped Addresses and Routing Protocols

2002-06-27 Thread Brian Haberman
Keith, Keith Moore wrote: if you have enough bits for the site-id you can make the probability of a conflict approach zero *provided* the site bits are randomly chosen. but the easiest way to avoid conflicts is to make the site-id globally unique, and there's no good reason to not do so.

Re: Fwd: IPv6 Scoped Addresses and Routing Protocols

2002-06-27 Thread Brian Haberman
Keith Moore wrote: Who delegates the globally-unique site-ids? presumably ICANN or their designees. This introduces a management headache. The address registries already are struggling with managing the global address space. Adding another registry will not be beneficial. If the

Re: Fwd: IPv6 Scoped Addresses and Routing Protocols

2002-06-27 Thread Brian Haberman
Keith Moore wrote: I think there are lots of reasons not to make these site-ids globally unique, if we choose to adopt them. name one. The cost of administration of the global database. there doesn't need to be a global database. try again. If there isn't a global

Re: Fwd: IPv6 Scoped Addresses and Routing Protocols

2002-06-27 Thread Brian Haberman
Tony, Tony Hain wrote: Keith Moore wrote: ... of course it's a global address. but that doesn't mean it's globally routable. You have just argued yourself into a corner. If the address the app chooses is not globally routable, how does it connect? Why would it have chosen SL over

Re: Fwd: IPv6 Scoped Addresses and Routing Protocols

2002-06-27 Thread Brian Haberman
Oops. My mistake. Brian Michel Py wrote: Brian, And if you want to use AS numbers, just remember that a 64 bit AS number will not fit inside 37 bits. I don't think this is a good argument. Today, the AS number is 16 bits. Tomorrow, it will be 32, which is 4 Billion AS numbers. 37

Re: Consensus on Site-Local Discussion

2002-06-21 Thread Brian Haberman
Keith, Keith Moore wrote: in other words, I think we need to seriously question some of the assumptions behind the scoped addressing architecture, and I'm not confident that completing the work on the Scoped Address Architecture document will accomplish that. Can you enumerate what

Re: ReviewofUse of /127 Prefix Length Between Routers Considered Harmful

2002-06-13 Thread Brian Haberman
Place this in context: what we are talking about here is either a router-to-router tunnel or a router-to-router link. Guess what: there is likely to be a routing protocol there. Could you explain me how you configure RIP when the other router is not on the same subnet? In all of my labs

Re: Fwd: IPv6 Scoped Addresses and Routing Protocols

2002-06-13 Thread Brian Haberman
: Brian Wouldn't the Zone ID for a given site on all routers in that same site have to be same for this to work? -vlad Brian Haberman wrote: Hi Margaret, I suppose that I should admit to being remiss in this area. I have done a fair amount of work in this area and just haven't had

Re: Fwd: IPv6 Scoped Addresses and Routing Protocols

2002-06-09 Thread Brian Haberman
Hi Margaret, I suppose that I should admit to being remiss in this area. I have done a fair amount of work in this area and just haven't had the time to document routing protocol behavior changes to support site local prefixes (even though I recall telling you I was going to do it).

Re: Fwd: IPv6 Scoped Addresses and Routing Protocols

2002-06-09 Thread Brian Haberman
Ralph, Ralph Droms wrote: And, I don't think there's a good way to define default behavior or auto-discovery for site-local addressing... Well, we could very easily apply RFC 2776 to the problem. It is already designed to advertise multicast zones. I may not help with auto-configuring the

Re: Fwd: IPv6 Scoped Addresses and Routing Protocols

2002-06-09 Thread Brian Haberman
Steve, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: Yah. Let's pick a prefix, and tell folks to pick a random number (more precisely, use an RFC 1750-compatible RNG) to fill out the rest of the high-order bits to a /48 or a /64. We encourage ISPs to provide real prefixes to companies that are using

Re: Text for MLD - cellular host draft

2002-06-04 Thread Brian Haberman
Hesham, The text looks fine to me. Regards, Brian Hesham Soliman (ERA) wrote: Hi all, After some discussion on the list, I'd like to propose the following text for MLD in the cellular host draft: 2.9 RFC2710 - Multicast Listener Discovery (MLD) for IPv6 MLD

Re: IPv6 MIBs - internet draft status

2002-05-30 Thread Brian Haberman
Kristine, We will probably have a slot in one of the IPv6 WG sessions to discuss the mib work. It may also be presented at the ops area meeting (if held). At least, that is what we have done in the past. Regards, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IPv6 for Some Second and Third Generation Cellular Hosts

2002-05-22 Thread Brian Haberman
Hesham, Hesham Soliman (ERA) wrote: Itojun, = I've never seen that in any spec. I guess you are saying that it's needed for L2 switches that snoop MLD messages to decide on mcast forwarding of mcast ethernet frames? If so, then we don't have this situation in

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IPv6 for Some Second and Third Generation Cellular Hosts

2002-05-22 Thread Brian Haberman
Hesham, Hesham Soliman (ERA) wrote: incoming packet to ff02::blah | H2R--- H1 If only H2 joined, doyou assume that the router will send it to H1 as well? Why? Note H1 and H2 do not share the same link. Maybe I

Re: IPv6 w.g. Last Call on IPv6 for Some Second and Third Generation Cellular Hosts

2002-05-22 Thread Brian Haberman
Let me clarify my comment. ff02::blah is a bad example for what I am asking. Will the 3G network support applications utilizing mcast? Will a host be able to join ff05::abcd and receive data on that group address? If that is supported, then MLD is needed. Brian Brian Haberman wrote

Re: Changes to MLD to support Anycast

2002-05-21 Thread Brian Haberman
Pekka, Pekka Savola wrote: Hello, A few comments. As stated before by others, this seems like a hack. But sometimes hacks can be good. Anyway.. The original concept was based on the premise that group membership is similar in multicast and anycast. The hosts that are a member of a

Re: Anycast Addresses being used for Nodes not just Routers; anycast as Source IP address

2002-05-14 Thread Brian Haberman
Erik, Erik Nordmark wrote: Brian, 1. Host-to-router notification protocol (this is taken care of by changes to mld proposed in draft-haberman-ipngwg-host-anycast) 2. Security: at a minimum some form of authentication to allow routers to determine if hosts

Re: Changes to MLD to support Anycast

2002-05-14 Thread Brian Haberman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - node with anycast address(*) participating routing exchange pros: deployable now, routing protocol has mechanisms for protecting against malicious route injection (sometimes they are just use IPsec...) cons: some

Re: Anycast Addresses being used for Nodes not just Routers; anycast as Source IP address

2002-05-14 Thread Brian Haberman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I will have to let on to a little secret. I have been looking at an option for anycast that looks strikingly similar to the Home Address option in MIPv6. The idea is that a server responding to an anycast query will put the anycast address in this

Re: Changes to MLD to support Anycast

2002-05-13 Thread Brian Haberman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - node with anycast address(*) participating routing exchange pros: deployable now, routing protocol has mechanisms for protecting against malicious route injection (sometimes they are just use IPsec...) cons:

Re: Changes to MLD to support Anycast

2002-05-12 Thread Brian Haberman
Generally, hosts already support MLD/IGMP in order to join multicast groups, so why require them to run a routing protocol? at this moment no client implementation issues MLD join for anycast address, so it is a large change to make. Sure, that is to be expected. The

Re: Changes to MLD to support Anycast

2002-05-09 Thread Brian Haberman
My concern with the first option is that it requires new functionality on the host joining an anycast group, namely running a routing protocol. Generally, hosts already support MLD/IGMP in order to join multicast groups, so why require them to run a routing protocol? Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Anycast Addresses being used for Nodes not just Routers; anycastasSource IP address

2002-05-03 Thread Brian Haberman
Pekka Savola wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2002, Brian Haberman wrote: Pekka Savola wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2002, Brian Haberman wrote: I had actually started taking a crack at this whole problem. It seems to me that the following components are needed for some form of global

Re: Anycast Addresses being used for Nodes not just Routers; anycast as Source IP address

2002-05-02 Thread Brian Haberman
Charlie, I had actually started taking a crack at this whole problem. It seems to me that the following components are needed for some form of global anycast support: 1. Host-to-router notification protocol (this is taken care of by changes to mld proposed in

Re: Anycast Addresses being used for Nodes not just Routers; anycastas Source IP address

2002-05-02 Thread Brian Haberman
Pekka, Pekka Savola wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2002, Brian Haberman wrote: I had actually started taking a crack at this whole problem. It seems to me that the following components are needed for some form of global anycast support: 1. Host-to-router notification protocol

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-30 Thread Brian Haberman
Rob, Rob Austein wrote: In the anycast model, you're at the mercy of the system that's maintaining the anycast route: you can't query directly to find out where the DNS server is, you have to wait for the routing system to figure it out, and the routing system doesn't tell you when it

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-30 Thread Brian Haberman
The original anycast extensions draft was incorporated into the MLDv2 draft (draft-vida-mld-v2-02.txt) which is a MAGMA WG document. Regards, Brian Ralph Droms wrote: Are the MLD extensions for anycast written up somewhere? - Ralph At 03:56 PM 4/30/2002 +0200, Hesham Soliman (ERA)

Re: Proposed IPv6 DNS Discovery Requirements

2002-04-30 Thread Brian Haberman
Rob, Rob Austein wrote: At Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:07:14 -0400, Brian Haberman wrote: Actually that is an incorrect statement. The IPv6 addressing architecture forbids the use of an anycast address as the source address. So, the response back from the anycast member will have one

Re: poposed changes to the scoping architecture draft

2002-03-21 Thread Brian Haberman
Steve Deering wrote: At 12:29 PM +0900 3/21/02, JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEI=?= wrote: Perhaps we have two choices: 1. treat :: as global 2. does (explicitly) not define the scope type (level) of :: Even the choice 2 will make the document clear, and it will

Re: Dual stack routers

2002-03-20 Thread Brian Haberman
.? Obviously the other way is not valid? Thanks KAT.Murugan -Original Message- From: Bound, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 9:04 PM To: Brian Haberman Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; IPng List Subject: RE: Dual stack routers Brian, Agree. The entire issue

Re: (ngtrans) RE: get rid of IPv4 compatibles?

2002-03-20 Thread Brian Haberman
Dave Thaler wrote: Antonio Querubin writes: If it is how about just defining mapped multicast addresses already? [...] |80 bits | 16 | 32 bits| +--+--+

Re: Dual stack routers

2002-03-19 Thread Brian Haberman
Jim, I agree with your assessment. It is essentially the way I have integrated IPv6 into an IPv4 system. One point to keep in mind though is how to support site-scoped addresses in this model. The route table needs expansion in order to incorporate the zone IDs in the lookup. Regards,

Re: Requirements for 'O' flag (was Re: IPv6 working group agendafor Minneapolis IETF)

2002-03-18 Thread Brian Haberman
Ralph, I agree the text should be updated. To address your points 'c' and 'd', it should be pointed out that 2462 was written so that there was no dependency upon a particular stateful configuration protocol. Operators would simply utilize their protocol of choice (DHCPv6 or foo) and 2462

Automatic Prefix Delegation draft

2002-03-07 Thread Brian Haberman
Protocol (ICMPv6) for the Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6) Specification, RFC 2463, December 1998. Authors' Addresses Brian Haberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haberman, Martin

Re: Updating draft-ietf-ipv6-cellular-host-00.txt?

2002-03-05 Thread Brian Haberman
Margaret, Margaret Wasserman wrote: Before folks go and do a lot of additional work to update draft-ietf-ipv6-cellular-host-00.txt based on our discussions, I think we have to answer a fundamental question: Should the WG publish an informational RFC detailing the IPv6 requirements for

Re: Updating draft-ietf-ipv6-cellular-host-00.txt?

2002-03-05 Thread Brian Haberman
John, Since I have already voiced an agreement with Margaret's suggestion, let me explain my rationale. Your document is a mix of: 1. Host requirements (granted they are limited functionality hosts) 2. IPv6 over cellular links requirements I believe that #2 is important as a

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