My original posting (entitled Java-linux enthusiasts) was about
categorizing
Java developers as belonging to one or more groups of users of
particular
platforms. I mentioned servlets in passing. I had no intention of
starting
a debate on servlets.
Now, why don't we stop bickering about whether Pe
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 07:23:04PM -0800, Steve Byrne wrote:
> I'm sorry, but all I saw from your sudden burst of postings was anti-Java.
Perhaps you would realize that I did not start this thread?
I was replying to a message that stated:
> 4. Linux evangelists : Linux is the future. Java is
Lasorsa, Vince writes:
> I agree with John on this one! USe the right tool for the job... You and
> your users will appreciate a craftsman who understands his/her toolbox!
Wise words...
> -Original Message-
> From: John Goerzen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Jason Hoffman wrote:
> PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE! Take this offline... This list has a SPECIFIC
> purpose, and this discussion is NOT it. Please reply directly to the sender,
> AND NOT THE LIST.
On the other hand, it's breathed some life into the list and distracted us
fr
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Nathan Meyers wrote:
> Whoa... how did this discussion suddenly become religious?
Whenever you mention a foreign language in a mailing list devoted to a
certain language, it *always* becomes religious.
Brett W. McCoy
http:/
I agree with John on this one! USe the right tool for the job... You and
your users will appreciate a craftsman who understands his/her toolbox!
-Original Message-
From: John Goerzen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 11:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PR
I completed the project last summer and we wrote our own parser which
recognized SSI-like tags. Since that time I've realized that there are
better ways of implementing that type of solution.
>From what I can tell, the options for "expanding" HTML pages with
dynamic data are as follows:
Web serv
Hi there.
I'm looking for a version of the Java Plugin/Activator for Linux.
The Javasoft site pointed me to www.blackdown.org/activator/index.html ,
but this page doesn't seem to exist.
Is this product no longer avaiable?
Thanks in advance.
Arend Meetsma
Is symcjit, the Symantec JIT running on WinNT? I'd greatly appreciate
finding out more, but to my knowledge the available JITs are TYA and
shuJIT for the port of Sun's VM and the JIT within Kaffe.
shuJIT doesn't appear to be mentioned very often in performance
comparisons in this list. Its webs
Shall we all send unsubscribe requests and 1.2 questions instead? :-)
(Gotta keep the traffic up somehow, you know)
Anyway, *cough* caps lock...
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 01:25:43PM -0600, Jason Hoffman wrote:
> PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE! Take this offline... This list has a SPECIFIC
> purpos
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 12:39:57PM -0700, Jeff Galyan wrote:
> Pardon me, but you appear to be the ONLY person actually using mod_perl
> or FastCGI in a production environment.
I know of multiple organizations using mod_perl in a production environment.
If memory serves, hotmail is one, but th
I ocassionally got the same thing too! Still don't know what causes it.
Most of the time a programs works fine, but suddenlly it returns this
message (probably after a did something, but I can't recall).
I thought that's my machine's problem, Now I think it might not be that
simple.
BTW, I have
Pardon me, but you appear to be the ONLY person actually using mod_perl
or FastCGI in a production environment.
As for my assumptions being "flawed", that would mean that the
developers at Java Software (formerly JavaSoft) don't know what they're
talking about either, nor do the course developer
> Okay, time for me to step into the fray.
>
> Here's how this works:
>
No, that is how one way works...
If you run Apache using either mod_perl, pyapache(aka mod_python) or
FastCGI then the server does NOT spawn a new process for the cgi
script. It passes the request to the cgi script *which
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE! Take this offline... This list has a SPECIFIC
purpose, and this discussion is NOT it. Please reply directly to the sender,
AND NOT THE LIST.
PLEASE, JOHN!
PLEASE, EVERYONE ELSE!
Thank You!
OK, this is about the 6th or 7th time I've said this and STILL people are
ignoring it.
Your whole argument is based on a flawed premise: that with CGI, a new
process must be started for each request. This is plain and simply NOT
correct. I have pointed this out time and time again.
Any benchma
On 17 Feb 1999, Ulrich Kortenkamp wrote:
> I just noticed a message on http://www.javalobby.org saying that the
> JDK-1.2 source is available now. Maybe that's useful for all the
> people that do not want to wait for the linux port ;-)
Yes, and then we'll get a million posts instead of people wh
When I looked at javalobby for the information regarding the JDK 1.2 Source
Release, I noticed another article about a new programming language
Microsoft is contemplating to get itself out from the litigation it's
currently in with Sun. Thought you might enjoy reading the story
yourselves. Enjoy
Hi,
I just noticed a message on http://www.javalobby.org saying that the
JDK-1.2 source is available now. Maybe that's useful for all the
people that do not want to wait for the linux port ;-)
Ulli
--
http://www.cinderella.de
Can we PLEASE stop this inane thread? It's pointless. Some people like
Java for everything, some for certain things, others for nothing at all.
I don't see what those people are doing on this list and I don't see how
any of this is relevant to Java on Linux. You don't like Swing? Fine.
Don't u
Okay, time for me to step into the fray.
Here's how this works:
When a webserver (let's say Apache) gets a request from a client to run
a traditional CGI, the server spawns a new process *independent* of
itself. If the process is a Perl process, then it has the overhead of
initialization, readin
"Joseph H. Buehler" wrote:
> That's about 14 microseconds per loop, which is very slow, given what
> the code is doing on each pass through the loop: setting a bit in a
> bit array.
>
> Preallocating the BitSet doesn't change things. I installed tya using
> egcs, and tried various optimization
> "SB" == Steve Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
SB> I'll do something that I'm going to no doubt regret in the
SB> fullness of time: disclose my plans ahead of time.
That's great, thanks.
--Paolo
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 10:37:53AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 09:51:51AM +0100, Chris Huebsch wrote:
>
> I know that Java is a VM, bytecode, etc. What I'm trying to say is that
> this is irrelevant -- HTML and the Web are simply the wrong paradigm for
> trying to deploy
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>*
> I have explained the areas in which I feel Java has an advantage
> over other languages -- for example, development of large-scale
> client GUIs.
Yeah and you're wrong. Java sucks big time as a GUI frontend. (Just
check out a fairly large system like
You are correct, Alex. Both Solaris and Linux support "real" threads, as do
several other Unix OSs. We can go into detail if need be, but I hope we can
spare the list that :-)
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 01:32:38PM +0300, Alex Romadinoff wrote:
> >AFAIK unix doesn't support real threads. For new r
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 09:51:51AM +0100, Chris Huebsch wrote:
> The first is a "non-java-at-all" Server. It has to create a new process
> when a request arives. Where? The system is almost at the limit? It is
NO.
I keep saying this and apparently nobody is listening.
Let me give you URLs then
On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 01:17:43AM -0800, Steve Byrne wrote:
> > But what techincal advantage do they really give? Java is slower, uses more
> > system resources, etc.
>
> John, if you don't like Java, can you please tell us why you feel it's
> necessary to clog this mailing list with your an
Your CLASSPATH environmental variable must be set to point at the root
directory containing your class files. So, in this example, if your
current working directory was /home/Ozer, then you need to set your
CLASSPATH like this (assuming you are using the bash shell)
export CLASSPATH=$CLASSPATH:/
Pointers in C\C++ can be cast to pointers of other valid types and manipulated
with various
standard library functions or just plain pointer arithmetic.
Example C\C++:
int number = 12345;
unsigned char * charNumber
= (unsigned char*)&number;
if(charNumber[0] = 0x3
I have this message
Exception in thread "main' java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
when I run
java test1
With javac I don't have problems
this is the program
import java.io.* ;
public class test1 {
public static void main(String args []) {
System.out.println("Hello");
> "Joseph" == Joseph H Buehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am trying to do some simple image processing with Java, and finding
> the performance to be not exactly stellar. My code was originally
> written in C++ using Motif, and that version runs circles around the
> Java version.
The ja
> Are there any efforts? Whom can I contact?
Aarg! One more of these and I'm going to crack! This is not
funny anymore, these people are turning the list into a spamming exercise.
(Not that I'm helping by relying, but I just had to...)
*sigh*
-- jaco greeff
The Internet Solutio
Gee -static to create a shared .so file ? maybe u wanna look at -shared !
> > libHelloNative.so: HelloNative.c HelloNative.h
> > gcc -c -o libHelloNative.so \
> > -static \
> > -I/usr/java/include \
> > -I/usr/java/include/genunix \
> >
Hello,
I would like to change the e-mail account for java mailing list
to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please bear the trouble
Ejaz
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Hi there,
until recently there was an entry for jdk 1.2.
I am an enthusiastic java linux developer and hope there will be a port for
linux.
Are there any efforts? Whom can I contact?
Thanks Rainer SuddendorfMit freundlichen Gruessen / Best Regards
> Rainer Suddendorf
>
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Wht?
Alex Romadinoff wrote:
>
> >AFAIK unix doesn't support real threads. For new requests a new instance
>
> ?
> >of the CGI is created with fork() or something like that? Now imagine a
> >server with a load
>AFAIK unix doesn't support real threads. For new requests a new instance
?
>of the CGI is created with fork() or something like that? Now imagine a
>server with a load around 99%.
Are you sure ?
What about 'clone
What's the trick to getting -prof to output useful information? I
never see any of my own classes in the output. Maybe this is because
I am using TYA and something is not implemented?
Joe Buehler
Thomas Down writes:
> C.V. Rajagopal wrote:
> > i have been experimenting with graphics printing in java under linux.
> >
> > when i press the print button in the print dialog box it gives an error
> > message like the following
> >
> > "Could not execute print commands[Ljava.lang.String:
Nathan Meyers writes:
> Tony Pujals wrote:
>
> > Ouch! ;-)
> >
> > (But I'd still like to know what happened to the web site information?)
> >
> > Tony
>
> Fair enough desire. Those of us who've been on the list awhile have endured
> frequent storms of "where is JDK1.2?" activity, a
C.V. Rajagopal writes:
> i have been experimenting with graphics printing in java under linux.
>
> when i press the print button in the print dialog box it gives an error
> message like the following
>
> "Could not execute print commands[Ljava.lang.String:080a5470".
>
> but i could prin
John Goerzen writes:
> On Tue, Feb 16, 1999 at 04:34:03PM -0800, Kevin Hester wrote:
>
> >
> > > I would certainly not use Java for CGI. libapache-mod-perl, FastCGI, etc.
> > if necessary.
> >
> > I'd definitely encourage anyone to use servlets with wild abandon. So easy
> > and clean
Can some body tell me what is the difference
between pointers in C++ and handles in java.
Regards
Sohail
Hello,
let me contribute a word or two to this discussion...
John Goerzen wrote:
>
> This is not really the point. The point is that for a heavily-loaded
> server, even a small difference in performance can make a tremendous
> difference in the system -- possibly the difference between running
Hi
you wrote about servlets and html-templates.
What possibilities are there to make html-templates
and where is there a good parser to build the final html file
from the template?
thanks, Marcel
--
Marcel Ruff
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lake.de/home/lake/swand/
On Tue, Feb 16, 1999 at 06:10:02PM -0700, Robert Ritchy wrote:
> In addition to the above - portability. I just finished a complete a servlet
> solution for a BIG company on my dinky pentium 75 linux laptop (apache/jrun). The
> installation on their site (Solaris/NES/JRun Pro) was MINIMAL with
Whoa... how did this discussion suddenly become religious?
I daresay the readership of this group is here because they see a future
for Java beyond its current problems. As a fan of both Java and Perl, I
have absolutely no need to resolve the which-is-faster-and-better
question once and for all;
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