Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail Repair

[net bat66]

you also have to go through the list if there is one and choose the live mail 
program from a list.


-Original Message- 
From: Teresa Arroyo Llosa

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 1:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail Repair

Hello Jery,

I am using Windows 8.1, but I should think the steps to repair Windows live
mail is similar.

Go to programs and features and arrow down, or use first letter navigation,
to windows esentials. Go to the context menue and you should find something
like uninstall/change, press enter. You will find buttons using tab, and
there will be one that says repair.

I hope this helps.

Best regards,

Teresa Arroyo Llosa

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 3:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail Repair

Afternoon all.

Using JAWS 2018, Windows 10 and Windows Live Mail, Is there a way to do a
repair on it? I went into control panel, but could not find it in the
programs folder. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Pages Speaking in Mexican

[net bat66]

i don't know if this would apply to you. but with the browser opened
open the control center with jaws 6
open general and check in text processing.
there is a option to detect  language and un check it.

-Original Message- 
From: Glenn Ervin

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 7:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Pages Speaking in Mexican

Hi,In both Internet Explorer, and on Chrome, I have some pages defaulting to 
Mexican.The rest of my computer stays on English, but in Ancestry.com, it goes 
to Mexican, as that is what it sounds like, and in the address bar, there is 
.MX in place of .Com.So I changed it for a while, and then I went to check out 
with PayPal for Ancestry.com, and that came up in Mexican again, but there was 
no MX to change here.Jaws reads the page element controls in English, but the 
text is in Mexican.  This is not on all pages, or I would not be able to send 
this message. How does this happen, and how can I prevent this?I have ad like 
messages coming up in the title bar too, apparently in Mexican.I ran Malware 
Bytes and a full MS Defender scan with no infections found.Any ideas?Glenn

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[JAWS-Users] vocalizer voices

[net bat66]

it also depends on weather you install the  full or compact version of the 
voices.  they have different sampleing rates. so the full version would sound 
better then the compact version.

i like the tom voice the best. the female voices are too basey.



-Original Message- 
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Good ole' Eloquence

I actually was loathed to give up my Dectalk Access 32, which I used
with Window-eyes until a few years ago. Since migrating to Jaws, I
love the Vocalizer voices for their high frequency clarity and
hum-based phoneme samples. Having compared the Vocalizer voices to
Voiceware, Google TTS and the latest Microsoft voices, none are as
clear and crisp as Vocalizer. My system does not lag at all with
them, but I have 43 gigs of memory and a solid state hard drive.

Orlando Enrique Fiole


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Good ole' Eloquence

[net bat66]

i dropped eloquence a long time ago.
it makes me nervus and i couldn't stay on the computer for more then a hour at 
a time.

no such problem with the human sounding voices.
i don't need or want to listen to the voices at 400 words per second. grin.
people don't talk this way and my computer doesn't either.


-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Good ole' Eloquence

Yeah, that does make some sense. I always kind of wondered why people really
bothered with this nowadays unless they were doing serious audio processing,
but I can now see that in some cases it's a sensible solution.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
net bat66
Sent: June 25, 2018 12:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Good ole' Eloquence

the computer might run faster if you are useing a dedicated plug in  e p c i
sound card instead of the onboard one.
when you do this the sound card does all the sound processing not the
computers c p u.


-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 6:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Good ole' Eloquence

Hey guys.



After some thought, I decided to switch my primary synthesiser back to
Eloquence. I must say, that JAWS is now acting a lot more like the robust
and response screen-reader I would expect on such a relatively fast machine.
I spent the past year listening to a nice, mannered, human-sounding voice,
but wondering why the devil my computer was being just as slow and clunky at
times as my XP machine was. Well, now I have the answer. Duh. These
Vocalizer voices are resource-intensive and slow the machine down. Anybody
else noticed this? I guess it's a foregone conclusion, but I just assumed my
machine would be able to handle it well. I think it'd be ok for reading, but
for all practical purposes, well, the trade in favour of performance is an
obvious no-brainer.



So, what synths does everyone use here, anyway? What are your thoughts on
all the software synths out there nowadays? Curiosity question.



Also, Eloquence - y'know, it's kind of good to have the old man back.





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Re: [JAWS-Users] Good ole' Eloquence

[net bat66]

the computer might run faster if you are useing a dedicated plug in  e p c i 
sound card instead of the onboard one.
when you do this the sound card does all the sound processing not the computers 
c p u.



-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 6:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Good ole' Eloquence

Hey guys.



After some thought, I decided to switch my primary synthesiser back to
Eloquence. I must say, that JAWS is now acting a lot more like the robust
and response screen-reader I would expect on such a relatively fast machine.
I spent the past year listening to a nice, mannered, human-sounding voice,
but wondering why the devil my computer was being just as slow and clunky at
times as my XP machine was. Well, now I have the answer. Duh. These
Vocalizer voices are resource-intensive and slow the machine down. Anybody
else noticed this? I guess it's a foregone conclusion, but I just assumed my
machine would be able to handle it well. I think it'd be ok for reading, but
for all practical purposes, well, the trade in favour of performance is an
obvious no-brainer.



So, what synths does everyone use here, anyway? What are your thoughts on
all the software synths out there nowadays? Curiosity question.



Also, Eloquence - y'know, it's kind of good to have the old man back.





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Re: [JAWS-Users] Visited Links, How to Make Visited Spoken First

[net bat66]

thank you.
its working now with the google searches. i made the change to the default all 
applications? script.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 9:16 PM
To: Jaws-Users
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Visited Links, How to Make Visited Spoken First

Howdy Net bat,

I believe it was you that asked how someone can make Jaws report links as,
visited links, rather than Jaws reporting links visited

On our computers Jaws reports, visited links, and as far as I can tell this
is how I set Jaws to do it, so let me shut the hell up and get on with it!
LOL  LOL

Try the following:
1. Open your browser of choice, and open the Settings Center.
2. Arrow down to, Text Processing, and right arrow to open.
3. Down arrow 1 time to, General, & right arrow to open.
4. There are 17 items in here, and you want to down arrow to #14, Say Item
State First, this should be checked.
5. Down arrow 2 times to #16, Say Window State First, and this should be
checked.
Note:  If you tab 1 time on any of these options you will get a description
of it.
6. Tab to, apply, press spacebar, tab to, Okay, press enter to save and
close.
Hope this helps, but let us know if this works for you or not, so we'll know
whether or not to check other settings.
Take Care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Best program for reading PDFs

[net bat66]

if you have jaws 2018 it might be able to be read by opening a context menu on 
the file and use the jaws o c r  to read it.. you have to wait a few seconds 
before  it is processed.

***
the most popular pdf reader is adobe reader dc. but this one will not convert a 
image file, if this is what it is.
you can also try useing  the on line robo brail to convert the file to another 
format.

http://robobraille.org/


-Original Message- 
From: Sharon S

Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 9:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Best program for reading PDFs

Hi all, I have been sent a document I really need to read as soon as
possible but it is a PDF and it appears I don't have a program on my laptop
to read these. When I tried to open it straight from the email it opened in
edge and I couldn't read anything. After I saved it to a folder in my
documents and went to open it I got a list of programs I could use to open
it but all I tried couldn't display the document. I tried opening it in
notepad and got a lot of rubbish instead of what it was meant to be. So now
I am wondering what the best program to use with Jaws 2018 and windows 10 is
and where can I get it from?



I've been having trouble making the person on the other end understand what
format I need because the first time she sent it to me it was a picture
which of course Jaws couldn't read so I asked her to send it again in a word
file. She then sent me a screen shot of the document so again I had to
explain that jaws doesn't read pictures and asked again for a word version.
She is working on an iPad so she didn't have access to word so she finally
sent me the PDF version. I'm afraid that this too will be a picture rather
than an actual PDF but to find this out I need a program that will open it.



Thanks for any help.


From Shaz.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Settings

[net bat66]

press control alt d to open the jaws menu and go to utilities then 
import/export settings.


-Original Message- 
From: Danny

Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 8:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Settings

Is there any way to copy the JAWS settings on one machine and place them on 
other machines so that all versions have the same settings in place across all 
machines.


Thanks,
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[JAWS-Users] visited links in firefox and i e

[net bat66]

hi,
is there a setting i can change so jaws 2018 will nnounce visited links before
the link, instead of after the link?
i am tired of haveing to listen to the entire link description before it will
tell me it has been visited. like when doing a google search.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] trouble installing jaws 2018.

[net bat66]

the problem is the installation setup has its own speech.
so you have to turn off the version that is running when it gets to the screen 
to click on install.

then it will use the self voiceing installation to complete the setup.


-Original Message- 
From: jimrawls

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 6:38 PM
To: jaws users list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] trouble installing jaws 2018.

Hi all,

Every time I try to install 2018, I get two jaws talking at the same time,
jaws 18 and jaws 2018. The only way I can fix the mess is to uninstall 2018.
How can I install 2018 and have it speak alone, without jaws 18 speaking at
the same time? I am running windows ten, and hopefully with your help, jaws
2018. Smile. Jim

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Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

[net bat66]

not so. i am useing gmail with i map with no problems with wlm.
on the other hand i tried i map with my comcast account and i had problems 
trying to consistently retrieve my messages and put it back to pop 3.

so it depends on the i p s you are useing.

-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 3:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

Marie, I do believe that only pop3 will work with wlm. So yes I am using
pop3.

-Original Message- 
From: Marie

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

This is the same setting I use and it has worked for me since selecting it,
so I don't have a clue why it is not working for you. I am also using POP3.
Are you on pop3 or imap?
Marie


-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 4:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

Marie, the first option is no automatic filtering only messages from blocked
sender and that is the one that I have checked. Interesting is that your
message came to my in box but the other one did not. Actually 2 other
messages were placed in the junk folder form this list.

-Original Message- 
From: Marie

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

Go to the file menu and when on the Options press the right arrow and then
arrow down to security options. It will open a dialog box and the option I
have selected is to only put blocked sender messages into the junk folder.
Marie


-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:37 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

A few weeks ago I asked the question why some list messages are routed to
the wlm junk folder. A suggestion was to turn filtering off in the wlm
options. I did make that change and assumed that the problem has been
corrected. I just went to the junk folder and there were over 50 messages
there. The majority from this list. Several were responses to one of my
queries. Not all of the responses ended up in that status. I am at a loss
why some are rejected and others are not. Any ideas?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

[net bat66]

   it works fine with my gmail and imap. at least with this and gmail i can 
view the spam folder for false positives and mark them as not junk to put them 
back into the in box without haveing to go to the gmail webb site to do it.


-Original Message- 
From: Marie

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 7:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

Actually you can use imap with WLM but pop3 works best.
Marie


-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 3:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

Marie, I do believe that only pop3 will work with wlm. So yes I am using
pop3.

-Original Message- 
From: Marie

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 1:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

This is the same setting I use and it has worked for me since selecting it,
so I don't have a clue why it is not working for you. I am also using POP3.
Are you on pop3 or imap?
Marie


-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 4:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

Marie, the first option is no automatic filtering only messages from blocked
sender and that is the one that I have checked. Interesting is that your
message came to my in box but the other one did not. Actually 2 other
messages were placed in the junk folder form this list.

-Original Message- 
From: Marie

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

Go to the file menu and when on the Options press the right arrow and then
arrow down to security options. It will open a dialog box and the option I
have selected is to only put blocked sender messages into the junk folder.
Marie


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From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:37 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

A few weeks ago I asked the question why some list messages are routed to
the wlm junk folder. A suggestion was to turn filtering off in the wlm
options. I did make that change and assumed that the problem has been
corrected. I just went to the junk folder and there were over 50 messages
there. The majority from this list. Several were responses to one of my
queries. Not all of the responses ended up in that status. I am at a loss
why some are rejected and others are not. Any ideas?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

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i don't know if there is any way to stop this. but all of my messages where the 
sender used the c c or b c c field to send a message go to my wlm junk folder. 
no matter how many times i mark them as not junk. which has no effect for these 
messages.
i have fishing message checking turned off and my eset smart security antivirus 
is set to mark them as spam but do no other actions on them.
i had to do this because it was  moveing the messages i composed in the junk 
folder after it was sent so i didn't really know if my messages were really 
being sent or not.



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From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 3:37 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] wlm junk folder

A few weeks ago I asked the question why some list messages are routed to
the wlm junk folder. A suggestion was to turn filtering off in the wlm
options. I did make that change and assumed that the problem has been
corrected. I just went to the junk folder and there were over 50 messages
there. The majority from this list. Several were responses to one of my
queries. Not all of the responses ended up in that status. I am at a loss
why some are rejected and others are not. Any ideas?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS sma question

[net bat66]

it also depends on if you have the home or pro version.
i just checked on my home version and right now it is $120 but it also had a 
$14.95 sales tax added to that price.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 10:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS sma question

Hi Russ,

No I sure don't, but I think it's around $180.00 at full price, and around
$120.00 at the discounted price.

Take Care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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- Original Message - 
From: Russ Kiehne

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS sma question


Would you happen to know what the price is for the full sma?

-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 9:49 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS sma question

Hi Russ,

Yes your friend should be able to upgrade to J2018 with no problems, but,
he'll have to pay full price for the SMA being he didn't buy the upgrade SMA
prior to January 1 of this year.  On the other hand, if he purchases the SMA
it'll be good for both J2018 & J2019.  To be absolutely sure of his options
he should call call them ath number below to make sure of his choices.
FS / VFO Sales phone#:  1-800-444-4443.
Take Care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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- Original Message - 
From: Russ Kiehne

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 6:13 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS sma question


A friend of mine is using JAWS 18.  Would he be able to buy a sma and be
able to updade to JAWS 2018?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] can't assign hot key to jaws 2018

[net bat66]

your wright. but you can use any key combo you want as long as you don't have 
another program useing the same hot key.

i used control alt j for one version and shift alt j for the second version.

-Original Message- 
From: chris judge

Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 1:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] can't assign hot key to jaws 2018

When this happens to me, as it does all the time, I just press enter again
and the hot key is set. Remember you must first remove the hot key
assignment if you have it set for a previous version of jaws, as you can't
assign the same hot key to more than one version.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Justin Williams
Sent: June 6, 2018 12:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] can't assign hot key to jaws 2018

I've seen that before on mine as well if I remember correctly, I'll have to
try it again.  How do we fix that?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 7:21 AM
To: JFW List 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] can't assign hot key to jaws 2018

I installed the updates for jaws on my win 10 laptop. I want to assign the
control alt j key for the shortcut.
On the desktop I highlight jaws 2018
then enter j for the short cut key when I enter on ok i receive the message
that access denied I need administrator permission


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Re: [JAWS-Users] can't assign hot key to jaws 2018

[net bat66]

nothing to fix. this is a windows safety feature. grin
most people are running as the administrator anyway.
just click on ok or is it continue and enter your windows log on password if it 
asks for it.









-Original Message- 
From: Justin Williams

Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 8:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] can't assign hot key to jaws 2018

I've seen that before on mine as well if I remember correctly, I'll have to
try it again.  How do we fix that?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 7:21 AM
To: JFW List 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] can't assign hot key to jaws 2018

I installed the updates for jaws on my win 10 laptop. I want to assign the
control alt j key for the shortcut.
On the desktop I highlight jaws 2018
then enter j for the short cut key when I enter on ok i receive the message
that access denied I need administrator permission


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Re: [JAWS-Users] watch video clickable

[net bat66]

useing firefox you have to click 2 links.
the first one takes you to another page where you then have to click the play 
button to start the video.



-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:58 AM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] watch video clickable

I am using latest jaws 2018 and win 7. I want to watch this video of a
product for woodworking. It is for Zero Clearance Tape for a miter saw. I
can not activate the link. I must have an incorrect jaws key combination at
least I hope that is the problem. I want to watch the demo before I purchase
the product. Hopefully it is also audable described.
Thanks for any help. Here is the link:

https://www.ptreeusa.com/mitersaw_zero_clearance_tape.html
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Skipping through a YouTube video

[net bat66]

no, turn off the virtual pc cursor. then use j , k , and l

-Original Message- 
From: Leonard Morris

Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 7:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Skipping through a YouTube video

I thought Someone mentioned forms mode to move  and skip through a YouTube 
video. How would you do that?


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sorry, turn off the virtual pc cursor and press just j ,k, or l. no control 
key.


-Original Message- From: wayne smith
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 7:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Skipping through a YouTube video

Hello all- There is a way that sighted folks can skip back and forward in a
youTube video. Is there a way for JAWS users to skip around?



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Skipping through a YouTube video

[net bat66]

sorry, turn off the virtual pc cursor and press just j ,k, or l. no control 
key.


-Original Message- 
From: wayne smith

Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 7:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Skipping through a YouTube video

Hello all- There is a way that sighted folks can skip back and forward in a
youTube video. Is there a way for JAWS users to skip around?



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Skipping through a YouTube video

[net bat66]

turn off the virtual pc cursor and use control j, k, or l

-Original Message- 
From: wayne smith

Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 7:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Skipping through a YouTube video

Hello all- There is a way that sighted folks can skip back and forward in a
youTube video. Is there a way for JAWS users to skip around?



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Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and firefox quantum

[net bat66]

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
you have to count how many lines down you are for the version you want then 
when it starts saying download count down by the same number of lines to get 
the one you want.


-Original Message- 
From: james_hoo...@earthlink.net

Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and firefox quantum

Where can you get this  ersion?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Don Raikes
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 11:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and firefox quantum

Thanks.

I uninstalled firefox completely then installed firefox 52.7.4-esr which
seems to be working nicely.
-Original Message-
From: Crist�bal 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws and firefox quantum

No, but Firefox V 60 should be coming out this month. It's supposed to work
with the latest Jaws. You could in the meantime do what a lot of others have
done and has been recommended by VFO and use the ESR version to keep up on
security updates.
I'm currently running Firefox ESR Version 52.7.4 that I just updated this
morning after I checked for an update.

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] jaws and firefox quantum

Hi,



Is there any version of jaws that works with the new firefox quantum?



I am interested in upgrading firefox to obtain any security updates, but I
remember hearing that there are problems with firefox quantum and jaws,
buthaven't heard if the issues have been fixed.



Any info would be appreciated.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] I am unable to upgrade Windows 10 from version 1703 to version 1709

[net bat66]

several things to do first.
in the run dialog type in winver. this will tell you what version of windows is 
running. it may of already upgraded.
several times i had a windows upgrade and it did not complete or i had a power 
failure while it was upgradeing.
in these cases it would revert back to the old system or else it would continue 
from where it left off the next time i turned the computer on.

another thing to check is your power settings in the control panel.
make sure it is set to never sleep or shut down. at least until after any 
programs are upgraded.

i normally have my computer set to shut down after 1 hour of non use.
if any upgrade took more then 1 hour to upgrade the computer would still shut 
down after 1 hour has passed.

so now i turn shut down off  until after the upgrade has finished.
hope this helps.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike O'Brien

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 7:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] I am unable to upgrade Windows 10 from version 1703 to 
version 1709


Hi

Around a couple of weeks ago, I began seeing the Windows Update Assistant
wanting to upgrade my Windows 10 Pro computer from Windows 10 1703 to
Windows 10 1709.  I had successfully upgraded my Windows 10 Home computer a
few months ago to Windows 10 1709 without the Windows Update Assistant.

So when I tried running the Windows Update Assistant several times, I
received the message that it had failed because of a program not being
compatible with Windows 10.  The incompatible program was Magic and that I
needed to manually uninstall it.  The only program I could think of is the
Freedom Scientific screen magnification program named Magic.  I had
installed Magic version 12 3 or so years ago, when this computer was running
Windows 7, to see how to set it up for a friend of mine.  I know that Magic
version 12 is incompatible with Windows 10.  So I uninstalled it and was
later successful in installing Windows 10 and then upgrading to Windows 10
1703.

I had written to Freedom Scientific about this, but did not receive any
reply other than the automated message saying my email had been received.

So last week, I tried running the Windows10 Update Assistant after
uninstalling JAWS 18 and JAWS2018and shared components.  I did not receive
any messages about incompatible programs.  But since the Windows 10  Update
Assistant runs for hours, I saw that it had reached 99% completed when I
went to bed.  But in the morning I discovered that the computer had rebooted
and the Windows Update Assistant was gone.  I'm trying to run it again
today.

So is there any other way to get and install Windows 10 1709 or steps to
make the Windows 10 Upgrade Assistant run successfully?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] how can I skip adds in youtube?

[net bat66]

if you are useing firefox try the add blocker for youtube add on. this will 
block most of the adds.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 10:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] how can I skip adds in youtube?

Dear List:

What procedure do I use with Jaws to skip adds that are playing when I go into 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail [Discontinued]

[net bat66]

yes it was. just because its discontinued doesn't mean it stopped working.
i will continue to use window eyes until it stops working.
it works perfectly fine with all of the programs i have on my computer. jaws 
does not. even for little things.

like not telling me the status of my wlm messages.
not reading the subject line in the message list when there is only 1 message 
in the list without haveing to use the arrow keys to get this info.
not haveing the choice to speak your key strokes when entering passwords in 
firefox and i e.
i get tired of haveing to type them in note pad and pasteing them into the 
password field.

i can not concentrate on my keys when it is also saying star, star, star.
window eyes does not show the passwords on the screen when it is speaking the 
keys i press.
most jaws users that are working would be useing headphones so no one would 
hear the passwords anyway.

vfo told me they would refuse to do this because it is a security risk.
i say for me, at home alone not a business this would not be a security risk.
not telling me where i am in windows folder files.
like i am on the tenth out of 100 files in the list. i have to tab away and go 
back into the list to get this info.
not being able to change voices on the fly without haveing to open a voice 
profile to do this.
for many people, not being able to change the volume or  pitch on the fly. i 
can change the voice volume now with version 2018. i have been able to do these 
things with window eyes for the last 10 years.
why can't jaws do these things? they have been around longer then window eyes 
was.




-Original Message- 
From: cheez

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 5:54 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail [Discontinued]

Just out of curiosity, wasn't Window Eyes discontinued?  I thought I read
that somewhere.

Vince

- Original Message - 
From: "net bat66" <netba...@gmail.com>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail



poor scripting.
window eyes  has no problem with the message status
why can't they do this with jaws? jaws has been around just as long  or 
longer then window eyes was.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 6:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

Jaws does say unread and doesn't say read, attachment, forwarded and replied
to.

-Original Message- 
From: T. Civitello

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 7:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

I am using WLM in Windows 10 with Jaws 2018 and it says unread and
attachment when arrowing up and down the message list.  Tom

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 6:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

I just wished Jaws would speak the status of the messages when you up and
down arrow the message list in wlm.  Another screen reader I used in the
past would say: unread, read, attachment, forwarded and replied to.

-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Atkins

Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 4:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

David,

I use the WLM you speak of which has been discontinued by Microsoft.

The auto complete does work but you have to tab away and then tab back.

Using JAWS 2018 with Win10.

Marvin

-Original Message- 
From: David Whitehead

Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 6:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

Good evening;
when you say windows live mail,
are you talking about the windows live mail which has been discontinued by
Microsoft?
the one which is never to be updated?
or are you talking about the windows mail app, with windows 10.
if it's the windows live mail,
the autofill will never work, because there's no jaws scripting, so, even
the NVDA doesn't autofill.
if your talking about the windows 10 mail app, again there's no jaws
scripting, however with the NVDA, there's a windows essentials add-on which
works well.


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-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of
Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 4:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

I have the same problem in Windows Live Mail as you are having in Outlook.
Autocomplete has never worked for me. I began using JAWS 17, and the problem

has been unabated through JAWS 2018 on a Windows 7 64-bit Pro PC. In fact,
when I pressed Control+K just now, the Check Names feature was activated,
but no names were found. When another screen reader is used, the
Autocomplete feature works

Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

[net bat66]

poor scripting.
window eyes  has no problem with the message status
why can't they do this with jaws? jaws has been around just as long  or longer 
then window eyes was.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 6:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

Jaws does say unread and doesn't say read, attachment, forwarded and replied
to.

-Original Message- 
From: T. Civitello

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 7:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

I am using WLM in Windows 10 with Jaws 2018 and it says unread and
attachment when arrowing up and down the message list.  Tom

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 6:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

I just wished Jaws would speak the status of the messages when you up and
down arrow the message list in wlm.  Another screen reader I used in the
past would say: unread, read, attachment, forwarded and replied to.

-Original Message- 
From: Marvin Atkins

Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 4:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

David,

I use the WLM you speak of which has been discontinued by Microsoft.

The auto complete does work but you have to tab away and then tab back.

Using JAWS 2018 with Win10.

Marvin

-Original Message- 
From: David Whitehead

Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 6:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

Good evening;
when you say windows live mail,
are you talking about the windows live mail which has been discontinued by
Microsoft?
the one which is never to be updated?
or are you talking about the windows mail app, with windows 10.
if it's the windows live mail,
the autofill will never work, because there's no jaws scripting, so, even
the NVDA doesn't autofill.
if your talking about the windows 10 mail app, again there's no jaws
scripting, however with the NVDA, there's a windows essentials add-on which
works well.


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what they conceal is vital.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 4:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows Live Mail

I have the same problem in Windows Live Mail as you are having in Outlook.
Autocomplete has never worked for me. I began using JAWS 17, and the problem

has been unabated through JAWS 2018 on a Windows 7 64-bit Pro PC. In fact,
when I pressed Control+K just now, the Check Names feature was activated,
but no names were found. When another screen reader is used, the
Autocomplete feature works perfectly. I'm sorry to say that.

-Original Message- 
From: Miriam Vieni

Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 3:19 PM
To: jaws users list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Outlook

With a lot of help from David Whitehead, my Outlook 2016 is working. But the
auto complete isn't so basically, I suppose there's still something
corrupted. The Microsoft person told me that he'd emptied auto complete, and
that if I write the first few letters and press control K, I'd get a list of
relevant addresses from which I could choose. I tried that just now with my
daughter's address and the list the control K brought up was completely
irrelevant. And I still have to paste in the correct address for the DB
Review list. David helped me upgrade to Jaws 2018 and we got rid of the to
Miriam folder,so I think that auto complete is just not going to happen,
except for the blind democracy list for some unknown reason.

Miriam


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Changeing JAWS' volume

[net bat66]

if you are useing eliquence; it won't work. this might also be true for other 
non vocalizer voices.

and i am useing windows 7 not 10. grin
it works with my high quality vocalizer tom voice.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 10:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Changeing JAWS' volume

Hi Fernando, Net bat, & List Members,

Okay I just tried assigning keystrokes to, increase / decrease system volume
and increase / decrease voice volume, without success.  When invoking the
assigned keystrokes the audio states it's doing the assigned task, but in
reality ain't a damn thing happenin!  LOL  LOL

So in short, with my testing anyways, if you want to hear your assigned
keystrokes increase / decrease percentages announced audibly by JAWS, that's
exactly what you'll get, audible announcements, but the volume doesn't
change for either system sounds or JAWS volume.  This was running Widows 7
with JAWS 16 thru 2018.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Mike B.

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Changeing JAWS' volume


Hi Fernando,

To be honest I don't use any keystrokes for controlling volume.  I run 2
soundcards, 1 for system sounds & 1 for Jaws.  This way I don't run into
sound override problems.  I should have tested the steps I posted, but
assuming they would work correctly if assigned was a poor assumption from
what Net bat states.  On second thought, when I get some time I'll play
around since Net bat is running Widows 10, and I'm running Widows 7, to see
if volume keystroke assignment might work differently with Widows 7.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message - 
From: Fernando Gregoire

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Changeing JAWS' volume


Hi net bat66 and Mike,

Does this procedure works when using Eloquence? In current JAWS versions
there is no Volume slider when setting a voice profile with Eloquence,
unlike with other synths like SAPI 5 or any Vocalizer variant.
As I remember from older JAWS versions, this control when using Eloquence
was simply a read-only edit box which said “Use your system's volume.”

Thanks in advance!

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From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of
net bat66
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 3:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Changeing JAWS' volume

forwarded from mike bee on the main jaws list.
1. Open Keyboard Manager without any applications / programs open to make
sure you land on, Default, when you open Keyboard Manager.  Do this by
pressing, Jaws key + F2, press the letter, K, until you have Keyboard
Manager highlighted, & press enter.  If you don't have, Default, highlighted
when opening the keyboard manager press the letter, D, until you do.

2. Find the following to assign keystrokes to them:
DecreaseVoiceVolume,  None
Decrease system volume,  None
IncreaseVoiceVolume,  None
Increase system Volume,  None
*Note:   None, means that there is not a keystroke assigned to these
functions
/ tasks.

3. On each of these functions / tasks press, Control + h, to open an edit
field to insert the keystroke you would like to use for this particular
function / task.  *Note:  Make sure not to press any other keys other than
the keystroke you want!
4. After entering your desired keystroke tab one time, and there's a
checkbox for assigning this keystroke to desktop keys only, usually people
will uncheck this.

5. Tab to, Okay, Press ENTER, and choose OK in the confirmation dialog which
appears.

6.  You'll be returned to the list view of scripts.  Use the same steps with
the other functions / tasks listed above.

7. Close Keyboard Manager with, Alt + F4.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: m...@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and volume control


Hi Richard,



I got one better than your way to create a shortcut.

All you have to do both in Windows 7 or Windows 10 is bring up either the
run command with Windows Key+R or simply the search box with the Windows
key.

Now type sndvol and press enter and bingo, you are on the volume control.

I have read you can add a -f flag, e.g. sndvol -f to bring u p the master
volume directly but I found that even just sndvol will do this.

Here is the 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Changeing JAWS' volume

[net bat66]

just tried it, no it won't work.

-Original Message- 
From: Fernando Gregoire

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 7:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Changeing JAWS' volume

Hi net bat66 and Mike,

Does this procedure works when using Eloquence? In current JAWS versions there 
is no Volume slider when setting a voice profile with Eloquence, unlike with 
other synths like SAPI 5 or any Vocalizer variant.
As I remember from older JAWS versions, this control when using Eloquence was 
simply a read-only edit box which said “Use your system's volume.”


Thanks in advance!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List <jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com> On Behalf Of net 
bat66

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 3:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Changeing JAWS' volume

forwarded from mike bee on the main jaws list.
1. Open Keyboard Manager without any applications / programs open to make sure 
you land on, Default, when you open Keyboard Manager.  Do this by pressing, 
Jaws key + F2, press the letter, K, until you have Keyboard Manager 
highlighted, & press enter.  If you don't have, Default, highlighted when 
opening the keyboard manager press the letter, D, until you do.


2. Find the following to assign keystrokes to them:
DecreaseVoiceVolume,  None
Decrease system volume,  None
IncreaseVoiceVolume,  None
Increase system Volume,  None
*Note:   None, means that there is not a keystroke assigned to these functions
/ tasks.

3. On each of these functions / tasks press, Control + h, to open an edit field 
to insert the keystroke you would like to use for this particular function / 
task.  *Note:  Make sure not to press any other keys other than the keystroke 
you want!
4. After entering your desired keystroke tab one time, and there's a checkbox 
for assigning this keystroke to desktop keys only, usually people will uncheck 
this.


5. Tab to, Okay, Press ENTER, and choose OK in the confirmation dialog which 
appears.


6.  You'll be returned to the list view of scripts.  Use the same steps with 
the other functions / tasks listed above.


7. Close Keyboard Manager with, Alt + F4.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: m...@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and volume control


Hi Richard,



I got one better than your way to create a shortcut.

All you have to do both in Windows 7 or Windows 10 is bring up either the run 
command with Windows Key+R or simply the search box with the Windows key.


Now type sndvol and press enter and bingo, you are on the volume control.

I have read you can add a -f flag, e.g. sndvol -f to bring u p the master 
volume directly but I found that even just sndvol will do this.


Here is the Jaws speech history as to what this sounds like, first without and 
then with the -f switch, I am using just the Windows key/Cortana search box and 
not the run command, note that the Jaws speech history gives you the result 
after you type every letter of “sndvol”, if you type it fast you never hear 
most of that, but I left it in just to show it:




Cortana

S, Search box edit

Sn, Snipping Tool, Desktop app

snd, See web results, Press right to open preview

sndv, See web results, Press right to open preview

sndvo, See web results, Press right to open preview

sndvol, Run command – this is where I pressed enter

Volume Mixer - Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) dialog

Speakers

Speakers

up down slider

83 – I am now pressing the down arrow several times and again the up arrow

82 percent

81 percent

80 percent

81 percent

82 percent

83 percent



Now here is what it sounds like with the -f switch added after SndVol, I left 
out all the suggestions which come up after each letter and go straight to the 
final one:


Cortana

sndvol -f, Run command

dialog

up down slider

83

82 percent

81 percent



Only difference seems to be that adding the -f switch doesn’t verbalize Volume 
Mixer - Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) dialog, Speakers, Speakers and 
instead it says right away the volume percentage.


You could of course create a shortcut with “sndvol” or “sndvol -f” but I 
personally find pressing the Windows key and typing sndvol is just about as 
fast as pressing Control+Alt+V or whatever shortcut you would assign the 
shortcut..


I guess another thing you can do is create the volume shortcut and put it on 
the taskbar, if you had it at the very left then pressing Windows Key+1 would 
do the trick as well.


I just tried it using SndVol -f for the shortcut which I called “Volume”, then 
I pinned it to the taskbar and dragged it to the first position  and when I 
pressed Windows+1 Jaws instantly says “Dialogue, up down slider, 81”.




Regards,

Si

Re: [JAWS-Users] Changeing JAWS' volume

[net bat66]

forwarded from mike bee on the main jaws list.
1. Open Keyboard Manager without any applications / programs open to make sure 
you land on, Default, when you open Keyboard Manager.  Do this by pressing, 
Jaws key + F2, press the letter, K, until you have Keyboard Manager 
highlighted, & press enter.  If you don't have, Default, highlighted when 
opening the keyboard manager press the letter, D, until you do.


2. Find the following to assign keystrokes to them:
DecreaseVoiceVolume,  None
Decrease system volume,  None
IncreaseVoiceVolume,  None
Increase system Volume,  None
*Note:   None, means that there is not a keystroke assigned to these functions 
/ tasks.


3. On each of these functions / tasks press, Control + h, to open an edit field 
to insert the keystroke you would like to use for this particular function / 
task.  *Note:  Make sure not to press any other keys other than the keystroke 
you want!
4. After entering your desired keystroke tab one time, and there's a checkbox 
for assigning this keystroke to desktop keys only, usually people will uncheck 
this.


5. Tab to, Okay, Press ENTER, and choose OK in the confirmation dialog which 
appears.


6.  You'll be returned to the list view of scripts.  Use the same steps with 
the other functions / tasks listed above.


7. Close Keyboard Manager with, Alt + F4.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end 
you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

To: m...@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and volume control


Hi Richard,



I got one better than your way to create a shortcut.

All you have to do both in Windows 7 or Windows 10 is bring up either the run 
command with Windows Key+R or simply the search box with the Windows key.


Now type sndvol and press enter and bingo, you are on the volume control.

I have read you can add a -f flag, e.g. sndvol -f to bring u p the master 
volume directly but I found that even just sndvol will do this.


Here is the Jaws speech history as to what this sounds like, first without and 
then with the -f switch, I am using just the Windows key/Cortana search box and 
not the run command, note that the Jaws speech history gives you the result 
after you type every letter of “sndvol”, if you type it fast you never hear 
most of that, but I left it in just to show it:




Cortana

S, Search box edit

Sn, Snipping Tool, Desktop app

snd, See web results, Press right to open preview

sndv, See web results, Press right to open preview

sndvo, See web results, Press right to open preview

sndvol, Run command – this is where I pressed enter

Volume Mixer - Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) dialog

Speakers

Speakers

up down slider

83 – I am now pressing the down arrow several times and again the up arrow

82 percent

81 percent

80 percent

81 percent

82 percent

83 percent



Now here is what it sounds like with the -f switch added after SndVol, I left 
out all the suggestions which come up after each letter and go straight to the 
final one:


Cortana

sndvol -f, Run command

dialog

up down slider

83

82 percent

81 percent



Only difference seems to be that adding the -f switch doesn’t verbalize Volume 
Mixer - Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) dialog, Speakers, Speakers and 
instead it says right away the volume percentage.


You could of course create a shortcut with “sndvol” or “sndvol -f” but I 
personally find pressing the Windows key and typing sndvol is just about as 
fast as pressing Control+Alt+V or whatever shortcut you would assign the 
shortcut..


I guess another thing you can do is create the volume shortcut and put it on 
the taskbar, if you had it at the very left then pressing Windows Key+1 would 
do the trick as well.


I just tried it using SndVol -f for the shortcut which I called “Volume”, then 
I pinned it to the taskbar and dragged it to the first position  and when I 
pressed Windows+1 Jaws instantly says “Dialogue, up down slider, 81”.




Regards,

Sieghard



From: m...@jfw.groups.io  On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 6:40 PM
To: m...@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and volume control





I'm not at my computer right now, but is there some kind of audio ducking 
setting in Jaws 2018?


Maybe do insert-v and type audio in the search box and see what comes up.

Richard





“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


On Apr 15, 2018, at 5:52 PM, cecropia64  wrote:

This is a change of topic but it is in the realm of the subject.

I just installed Jaws 2018 and am using Win 7 64 bit.� I am having a sound 
issue and it does concern volume.


When I first start up my computer and Jaws starts, it sounds fine.� But when 
I start to do 

[JAWS-Users] amazon and amazon access sites.

[net bat66]

i don't know about you. but with me i have to log off before i can switch 
between the normal and accessibility site.
if i go to one site then type in the other without loging out it will 
automatically go to the last site i logged into the last time i used amazon.
like i can log on to amazon.com/access. turn off the computer and type in 
amazon.com and it will still go to the accessibility site unless i logged out 
first.


-Original Message- 
From: Judy

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon Accessibility Issue

Okay, Rebecca, this is Judy and I went to both the regular Amazon.com and
the Amazon.com/access sites. I also usually use IE 11 but had trouble with
it today but I've also had trouble using it at work so it may be a browser
rather than an Amazon problem. I just recently used the Amazon access site
to purchase a bunch of stuff with no trouble. Just now going to the regular
amazon site, I got nowhere with the "your accoujnt" link. I tried it with IE
and with Google chrome with the same results...nowhere could I find any
links for payment options. So I then went to the amazon.com/access account
and using google chrome I could do it. I agree that we should be able to use
all sites the same as everyone else and not have a separate access site, but
at this point in my life I am just happy when I can do what I need to do. So
if you use that site and open the "your account" link  you can then use H
and go down through a bunch of headings. You want the heading that says
"amazon wallet." The first link in that list says "manage your payment
options" so open that link and then you can edit or delete cards, set up
your default card to use etc. I hope this helps. Maybe they just recently
made some changes, who knows.  Judy & Libby


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 7:49 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon Accessibility Issue

I went back to Amazon this morning.  My friend had gone all down the
Your Account
Page, line by line, with the Amazon Disability person, and there was no
Account Options.
She'd also had JAWS, as did I last night, search for the word
Options.
JAWS said it was not there.
This morning, after having read several List responses, I had JAWS search
for the word
Payment,
And again, that was not there.
My friend does not have
Amazon Prime.
Nor do I.
There was a link for managing one's Prime Account, but this brought me no
joy as a roundabout way of getting to
Account or Payment Options
Since I was told immediately that I did not have Amazon Prime.
Here is what I see when I go to the
Your Account
Page:
JAWS says there are 11 links.
Your Account
Amazon.com
Your Account
� View Orders
Choose Period:
Open and recently shipped orders
Continue
Amazon Prime
Manage Prime Membership
Gift Cards
Search
Go
Cart
Your Account
1-Click Settings
List & Registry
Find a List or Registry
Sign Out
Help
Home
Legal Terms
Several people said they could reach the
Payment Options
Link using IE11, JAWS 2010 and Windows 10.  This is what my friend is using.
But to test, this morning, I loaded IE11 and went back to Amazon.  For me,
it made no difference.  I got the same page with the information copied
above.
I've gone to Amazon from the link on my desktop, as well as from a Google
search, just in case that made a difference.  It doesn't..
I wonder why some can access this and others of us cannot.
Since email addresses change, and the expiration numbers on credit cards
change every couple of years, or shipping addresses may change, we need
access to the account information page.
Admittedly it's got to be frustrating if results can differ, even when the
operating system, browser and screen reader version are the same, but this
is why I put this out on the JAWS Users' List to see if the problem my
friend and I are having could be replicated.
Thanks to those who responded, but if anyone is having similar issues, I'd
like to know, and Amazon needs to be alerted so that they know how
widespread the problem is.
Rebecca
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon Accessibility Issue

I forgot to mention I used IE11 to confirm my experience. My system is Win7,
and I had JAWS 17 loaded.

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:06 AM
To: 'jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com' 
Subject: RE: [JAWS-Users] Amazon Accessibility Issue

Hi, Rebecca.

I have the same experience as Dave. Note the obvious difference between
"account options," which I couldn't find, and "payment options," which is on
the "Your Account" page and which gives customers the ability 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox and bookmarks

[net bat66]

use control i to open and close the list. this will also give you a search box 
to search  within the bookmark list. with me i have to turn off the virtual pc 
cursor first or else firefox will hang for several minutes before jaws will 
start working again.



-Original Message- 
From: joanne

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 12:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox and bookmarks

Please tell me how to get firefox to show the entire list of bookmarks. I
get into these tree views, and I wanton know if there's a way to get jaws to
read the entire list with up and down arrow keys like Internet Explorer
does.  Thanks.


--
From: "JOHN RIEHL" 
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 7:20 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox and bookmarks


Alt-b brings up the bookmarks folder in Firefox.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 8:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox and bookmarks

Jeff, I have another question about Firefox then. I know it works the same
as IE to save something, but how do you bring up your bookmark folder? I
tried using control B but nothing came up and I had saved a few things.
Thanks. Judy & Libby



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Audiobookfan
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2018 8:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox and bookmarks

If you're viewing the page you want to bookmark, just press control-d. A
dialog will open where you can edit the name and location of the bookmark,
but if you just wait a few seconds, the dialog will close and save the
bookmark in the main bookmarks folder. If you edit the name or location, tab
to the Done button and whack enter.

Jeff


On 4/1/2018 11:45 AM, Leonard Morris wrote:

How do you add a bookmark in Firefox?

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It's a
unique

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Re: [JAWS-Users] WLM and Comcast

[net bat66]

are you useing i map or pop 3 settings for wlm?
if i map there server might  be intermitant.
i have had connection problems when comcast is upgradeing there equipment.  but 
they usually notify me when they are doing this.

does this happen when surfing the net with i e or firefox?
are you useing a wired, router?
if so try re seating the data cables from the cable modem and the computer.
i have had these connection problems before.
i just replace these cables because they build up corrosion over the years and 
reseating them only works for a few days before they stop makeing connection 
again.


-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 5:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] WLM and Comcast

Morning folks.
I am having a problem with WLM and comcast. Whenever I try to open or delete a 
message from my inbox, I get the following message:

imap.comcast.net was not found.
Does anyone else have the same problem, and if so, can you offer a solution? I 
am using WLM 16.4, Jaws 2018 and Windows 10 on a dell laptop.

Thanks.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

i don't see a big deal here. the stars are still there if you hear the keys you
press or not.
i only want the keys i press to be spoken like window eyes does so i don't have 
to keep typeing my passwords in note pad and copying and pasteing them into the 
password edit box every time.
the stars are not being replaced with the password i type in. it just speaks 
the keys as i press them. nothing else.
i can not concentrate on the keys i press while it is saying the stars and not 
the keys i press.

if you are working, turn the keys off. if not turn them on in settings.



-Original Message- 
From: Eric Damery

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

While it may well be possible that we could add such an option that would allow
the true password being typed, it is also very likely that just adding this
option into our software, would cause security minded organizations such as
IRS, SSA, and many other 3 letter organizations, to block those versions from
being deployed. It is part of the reason we have a Non-Tandem build of our
software posted also on the web.

Sorry, but this ability to echo Passwords is risky from security standpoint and
we will not be adding that one.

Regards,
Eric

Eric Damery
VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-299-6110 F 727-803-8001
edam...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

thank you.
i found one that will speak what i type in as i am typeing them in.
but it also shows the passwords with passwords i have saved.
its called show me the password.
there are a few options like only show the password when you click on a button. 
or when the edit field has focus too.


-Original Message- 
From: Jitendra Kumar

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 5:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

If you use firefox and greasemonkey, there is a script to toggle the
star and characters,
This works in the folling way.
below the password field, there is a link labeled as t, pressing enter
on it changes the password.
2. there is another addon called password manager, which remembers the
posswords, you can change the entries in it.
when user name is typed and tab is pressed, it fills the field with the pw.

On 3/5/18, David Ferrin <ow...@jaws-users.com> wrote:

I almost always use the copy and paste method. Some of my passwords are
quite long especially what I use for FTP access to the server. Actually I do

not even know it as the thing is 40 characters long.

-Original Message-
From: Roger Newell
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.

On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad
and

copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak
the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web
sites

only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of
the

accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days
for

them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back
the

pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice
recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary
manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default
JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a
home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary,
but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for
you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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the
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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

i never thought of third party add ons to do this.
this isn't for everyone. but i am alone and no one will be copying my 
passwords. grin
i found a firefox add on that will automatically show the password letters i 
type in, as i am typeing them, with speech. it does not say star,star,star.
it does have other options. like not showing the password until you press a 
button. or only when the edit box has focus.

show me the password.
it does not save them  in a password vault.
but it also shows the passwords that are filled in automatically where i saved 
them. the important sites like  banks and credit cards are not being filled in 
for me.

i am still exploreing other add ons.



-Original Message- 
From: Jitendra Kumar

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 5:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

If you use firefox and greasemonkey, there is a script to toggle the
star and characters,
This works in the folling way.
below the password field, there is a link labeled as t, pressing enter
on it changes the password.
2. there is another addon called password manager, which remembers the
posswords, you can change the entries in it.
when user name is typed and tab is pressed, it fills the field with the pw.

On 3/5/18, David Ferrin <ow...@jaws-users.com> wrote:

I almost always use the copy and paste method. Some of my passwords are
quite long especially what I use for FTP access to the server. Actually I do

not even know it as the thing is 40 characters long.

-Original Message-
From: Roger Newell
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.

On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad
and

copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak
the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web
sites

only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of
the

accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days
for

them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back
the

pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice
recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary
manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default
JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a
home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary,
but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for
you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

thank you!
i requested this to  vfo and got no response
the main jaws user group just blew me off.
window eyes has this option. why not jaws?
i don't work for anyone. so i don't need to hide passwords with stars.
besides even with window eyes when it is speaking the keys i press  the letters 
are not showing on the screen.
so if i were useing headphones  watchers still wouldn't know the password i 
typed in.



-Original Message- 
From: Dennis

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 9:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I see no reason a speak password option couldn't be added in Jaws for those
that need it.  Have it off by default but it is there for those that need
it.


-Original Message- 
From: Roger Newell

Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.

On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and

copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites

only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the

accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for

them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the

pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

i have to do this all the time now.
you just have to make sure there are no extra spaces at the beginning or end of 
what you have typed in.
you also have to have focus on the pasword field before you paste the password 
into the edit box.


-Original Message- 
From: Leonard Morris

Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 1:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

I am somewhat surprised you could actually type your password in notepad and 
then copy and paste  it into the password Field. I tried to do that along time 
ago but I could not make that work because I think the password field wants to 
see actual characters and not just symbols.


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On Mar 5, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Roger Newell 
<inscriptioelectronicaaustra...@gmail.com> wrote:


Why is typing the password so difficult? If you are finding that you
need JAWS to speak back each character you are typing because you make
mistakes, I suggest (and please don't interpret this as condescension
or rudeness, because that is not my objective at all) that you buy a
typing program such as Typability or Talking Typer to improve your
typing.


On 3/4/18, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:
what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and

copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites

only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the

accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for

them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these
accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the

pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word
application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what
application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

i'll try that.
***
yes the sites let me use my own passwords. but i have a text file with the 
passwords in them, in code that only i know. even so i have to copy a password 
i didn't remember into note pad and decode them before i can copy and paste 
them into the password fields.
i tried last pass for awhile. but it kept forgetting some of the passwords it 
stored. thats why i have been storing them myself in a text file that i can 
backup to  flash drives ,drop box, one drive and carbinite etc.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 6:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

Hi Net bat,

I understand where you're coming from, & maybe a program called, Asterisk
Logger, from the website below will help with what you need.

http://www.nirsoft.net

Out of curiosity, don't the websites you mentioned allow you to create your
own passwords?  Then you could save them in a password protected file, &
paste whenever you would need them.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message ----- 
From: net bat66

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:41 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields


what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for
passwords and speak the keys i press.
the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed
in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and
copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the
keys
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites
only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the
accounts.
my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for
them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the
pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder
and
type them in when i get home?

Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


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[JAWS-Users] the stars in password fields

[net bat66]

what i would like to see is a way to turn off the stars all together for 
passwords and speak the keys i press.

the sites below do not have the option to show the passwords i have typed in.
i am getting sick and tired of haveing to type my passwords in note pad and 
copy and pasteing them into the password fields because it won't speak the keys 
i press. at least window eyes has the option to  speak the keys i press.
and don't tell me i need to learn how to type without speech. many web sites 
only give you 3 chances to get the password before you are locked out of the 
accounts.

my bank ,c v s pharmicy,office of personnel management ,kiser etc.
all require me to call them to prove who i am.. then wait up to 10 days for 
them to snail mail me a tempory password before i can access these accounts.
where is the security in this when i have to have someone else read back the 
pin number  that was mailed to me so i can record them to a voice recorder and 
type them in when i get home?


Hi Robin,

I have been experimenting with the, *, dictionary tweak, & Jaws only
reported UnReconciled when typing a password if I tweaked the Default JDF
dictionary manager, but not when I tweaked the Word JDF dictionary manager.
The Word JDF dictionary manager was my experimental application.

But, if I changed the tweak to,* , a star then a space, in the default JDF
dictionary manager, then used a space after the star in the Word application
JDF dictionary then everything worked as it should all the way around.

What I'm trying to say is if you want the,*, to say, UnReconciled in a home
budgit, then add a space after the star in the application dictionary, but
then you'll also have to put a star then a space in front of any entry in
the application as well.

If I've totally confused you by now, just let the list know what application
you want to use, & I'll type up a set of steps that'll get it done for you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] VLC Media Player 3.0

[net bat66]

if the songs are not being stored in the cloud they should all be in your 
users/account name/music/itunes folder.  i don't know if they are copy 
protected or not. so try copying a few songs to a flash drive and see if they 
will play on another computer.


-Original Message- 
From: David Casanave

Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 4:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] VLC Media Player 3.0

Thanks again Casey, Is there a straight forward process for transferring the
3000+ songs I have in Itunes into the VLC Media Player?
Best,
David
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] VLC Media Player 3.0

It does, yes. I generally only use it for videos, though. However you can
make playlists with VLC, import folders using the file explorer context
menu, etc. It pretty much plays any format you can think of, without the
need to download codecs.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Casanave
Sent: March 1, 2018 7:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] VLC Media Player 3.0

Thanks for the update... does this media player handle audio well too? I'm
about ready to eject ITunes from my digital life forever.
Much appreciation,
David
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 3:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] VLC Media Player 3.0

Hey folks.



Some may remember I made several posts about how great this player was, but
that certain things, like the advanced preferences dialog, were difficult to
use with a screen-reader. I just want to report that I have installed the
last stable build, 3.01 I believe, and not only does the player seem at
least twice as fast to load on my Windows 10 64 bit machine, but the
preferences screen is reading properly with JAWS. The advanced preferences
now show as a tree view, and so far I no longer have to hit space on a
checkbox to even hear whether it is a checkbox or not. So, good news for
video users.





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Re: [JAWS-Users] keyboard shortcuts on webpages not working

[net bat66]

sometimes java script  blockers or add blockers  will prevent controls or links 
from working.
one place i have this problem is when trying to open a link to a p d f file on 
a web site. it will do nothing until i turn them off. then the links will 
activate.


-Original Message- 
From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 3:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] keyboard shortcuts on webpages not working

The obvious problem that comes to mind is possible conflicts with these same 
shortcuts used for other purposes, such as by the user's browser.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 5:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] keyboard shortcuts on webpages not working

Hi everyone. Forgive the half-formed inquiry, but I'm about to have a meeting 
about this and I don't yet have a lot of info. There's a website being designed 
where the user can rate a series of statements on a numerical scale. The 
creators of the site designed it so that you can do this directly from the 
keyboard by using ctrl-key combinations from 1 to 5. So, for example, the user 
might see a statement, and press ctrl-3 to give that statement a rating of 3. 
Once the key bombination is pressed, the next statement loads. This is 
something I have tested and works fine in both Firefox and Chrome using JAWS 
18. However, one of the testers is having problems. The keyboard combos do not 
work at all. She is a JAWS user. I do not yet know what browser she is using, 
but I'll shortly find out. I looked a little at a page describing how one can 
use JAVA to do this when developing a site, but I myself am not a developer, 
and there's a lot I could be missing. So, in brief, does anyone know if there 
are any caveats, prerequisites and such, for these sorts of shortcuts on 
websites to work? Is there some setting in either a browser, or even in JAWS, 
related to this functionality that she might have to change? I know it's not 
presently a lot of info to go on, but any help would be appreciated 
nonetheless. Thank you.






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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS install error

[net bat66]

have you tried re downloading the file it might of gotten corrupted.?

-Original Message- 
From: Dialup @ 56k

Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS install error

Thanks for the idea, but yes, even thought I'm logged as admin, I ran
the setup file as admin but got the same error about 40% into the first
screen which is:
Status:  Processing TableofContents.
Time for the big re-install the lot.  Not happy !!!
Glen

---

On 28-Feb-2018 2:06 pm, net bat66 wrote:

are you logged in as the administrator?
if i am logged in as a standard user i will get jaws errors every time i try 
to install it. even though i say yes to the u a c to give it administrator 
permissions to install it.

once i log in as the administrator and run the setup i don't get the errors.


-Original Message- From: Dialup @ 56k
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 6:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS install error

Hello Mike
I started with the most recent release download link from the FS
website; this is when the error message first appeared.
My first suspect was Win 10 so I did a huge system spring clean, same
result.
So I then downloaded the current version to another PC using a different
internet access provider, same result.
So I've now decided the only reliable way to solve the problem is to
reinstall Win 10, then JFW, and see what happens.
Not my preferred option 'cos I'm very time poor at the moment, but
that's life.
Thanks for being a good sound board; hope this little episode is of use
to someone else.
Glen

---

On 28-Feb-2018 1:14 pm, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Glen,

Why don't you try using a downloaded file?  Maybe there's something wrong
with the disk.  Might save you a hell of a lot of frustration.  It'll only
take a couple of minutes.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Dialup @ 56k
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS install error


Thanks for the DL links Mike, but I'm encountering the error using the
DVD from FS.
I've never seen so many error during a JFW install, and I've been at it
for quite a few years.
Glen


---
On 27-Feb-2018 11:39 pm, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Glen,

Try a fresh download from the appropriate link below, & see if that helps.

32 Bit:

http://jaws2018.vfo.digital/180278JA45TX/J2018.1802.78enu-x86.exe

64 Bit:

http://jaws2018.vfo.digital/180278JA45TX/J2018.1802.78enu-x64.exe

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message -
From: Dialup @ 56k
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 7:55 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS install error


Afternoon All
Trying to install the February release of JAWS 2018, 64 bit version,
clean install on a Windows 10 PC.
The install freezes at about 40% on the first screen displaying:
"Status: Processing table of contents"
Cancelling the install has no initial effect.  Have to go to task
manager and End Task.
Then, at the next restart, the License screen displays and the install
process starts again on a loop, failing at the same spot each time.
I prseumed the problem was related to a Windows 10 error so did all the
usual checking for corrupt files / troubleshooting / driver updates, but
no luck, still the same JAWS install loop.
Been at it all morning so any ideas, no matter how whacky would be
appreciated.
Glen

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS install error

[net bat66]

are you logged in as the administrator?
if i am logged in as a standard user i will get jaws errors every time i try to 
install it. even though i say yes to the u a c to give it administrator 
permissions to install it.

once i log in as the administrator and run the setup i don't get the errors.


-Original Message- 
From: Dialup @ 56k

Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 6:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS install error

Hello Mike
I started with the most recent release download link from the FS
website; this is when the error message first appeared.
My first suspect was Win 10 so I did a huge system spring clean, same
result.
So I then downloaded the current version to another PC using a different
internet access provider, same result.
So I've now decided the only reliable way to solve the problem is to
reinstall Win 10, then JFW, and see what happens.
Not my preferred option 'cos I'm very time poor at the moment, but
that's life.
Thanks for being a good sound board; hope this little episode is of use
to someone else.
Glen

---

On 28-Feb-2018 1:14 pm, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Glen,

Why don't you try using a downloaded file?  Maybe there's something wrong
with the disk.  Might save you a hell of a lot of frustration.  It'll only
take a couple of minutes.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message -
From: Dialup @ 56k
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS install error


Thanks for the DL links Mike, but I'm encountering the error using the
DVD from FS.
I've never seen so many error during a JFW install, and I've been at it
for quite a few years.
Glen


---
On 27-Feb-2018 11:39 pm, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Glen,

Try a fresh download from the appropriate link below, & see if that helps.

32 Bit:

http://jaws2018.vfo.digital/180278JA45TX/J2018.1802.78enu-x86.exe

64 Bit:

http://jaws2018.vfo.digital/180278JA45TX/J2018.1802.78enu-x64.exe

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message -
From: Dialup @ 56k
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 7:55 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS install error


Afternoon All
Trying to install the February release of JAWS 2018, 64 bit version,
clean install on a Windows 10 PC.
The install freezes at about 40% on the first screen displaying:
"Status: Processing table of contents"
Cancelling the install has no initial effect.  Have to go to task
manager and End Task.
Then, at the next restart, the License screen displays and the install
process starts again on a loop, failing at the same spot each time.
I prseumed the problem was related to a Windows 10 error so did all the
usual checking for corrupt files / troubleshooting / driver updates, but
no luck, still the same JAWS install loop.
Been at it all morning so any ideas, no matter how whacky would be
appreciated.
Glen

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws and firefox 52

[net bat66]

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/
it won't tell you which version it is until you start to download it

-Original Message- 
From: wayne smith

Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws and IE 11

I just went to FF and looked at the update they are offering. It is 56. 
something and I did not see a 52 option so can you tell me where to look for 
it?


Wayne

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws and IE 11

It doesn't sound like everybody is reporting this IE issue.

Still, it makes sense to accustom oneself to moving away from IE. I know it has 
some decent features, but it's increasingly ineffective and unusable on some 
websites. I don't know when security updates for it will stop .. probably not 
til 2020 as that's when Windows 7 support ends ... but still.


Firefox 52 ESR is currently the thing to get if you are wanting to use FF and 
JAWS. It works without any issues. There has been some difficulty in adapting 
JAWS to Firefox Quantum, but they are working on it. You could also use NVDA. 
Really, nowadays it makes sense to have both screen-readers on your machine.




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Of Maria Campbell

Sent: February 22, 2018 6:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws and IE 11

So, if JAWS is working crappily in FireFox and now Internet Explorer as well, 
...?



Maria Campbell
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On 2/22/2018 5:46 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

Yes sir, my Internet Explorer is crashing like crazy now as well.  Great!


Maria Campbell
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On 2/22/2018 4:43 PM, T. Civitello wrote:

I installed the latest Jaws bill on my Windows 7 PC this morning. I
tried two Web sites that I was able to work with yesterday; Amazon
and Comcast.net. Today I can’t do a thing with them If they do read
there is a 10 to 15 second delay between lines and a good part of the
time I have to tab away and back to the Web to get Jaws talking
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Re: [JAWS-Users] removing avast

[net bat66]

most antivirus programs will not completely remove themselves without useing 
there removal tools from there web sites.;
and if you had window eyes 9.5 it does run in safe mode once it is setup from 
the running apps list.

in the windows enhanced app.

-Original Message- 
From: HICKS, Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST)

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] removing avast

Yes, safe mode doesn't allow access technology as far as I am aware, if you 
search the web, you may find an Avast removal tool?



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Of Kimsan

Sent: 20 February 2018 19:03
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] removing avast

Ok, I read the instructions again and with safe mode will I need sighted 
assistance?



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Of Mike B.

Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] removing avast

Howdy Kimsan,

Here are the steps, & the direct download link for the removal tool.  Read them 
all the way through before using the removal tool.


http://files.avast.com/iavs9x/avastclear.exe

1. Press enter on the, AvastClear, .EXE file.
2. You will get the following message:

Avast Antivirus Clear
It is recommended to run this tool from Windows Safe Mode.
Do you want to do that?
Press "Yes" to reboot into Safe Mode now and run this tool from there.
Press "No" to continue running this tool as it is (not recommended).
Yes No
3. Tab to the, No button, & press enter or spacebar.  Now press the spacebar on 
the, Uninstall button, to start the uninstall process as Administrator.

After Avast is uninstalled you should get a prompt to restart the computer.
When the computer reboots you can check to see if any remnants of the program 
are left behind.  The 1 time I used this removal tool the only remnant I found 
left behind was an Avast folder in the Program Files, & Program Data folders on 
the root of the C drive, but I did not check the registry.

- Original Message -
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To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:10 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] removing avast


Hi,



I accidentally installed Avast when installing CCleaner.



I thought I removed it all after using revo uninstaller.

On google here, it states when using the tool Avast has to remove it, it boots 
into safe mode?


Is there another way, as I never messed with safe mode before.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] help With keystroke alt+M +jawskey

[net bat66]

you don't have to change to the laptop layout if you are useing a desktop 
keyboard.
you can open the jaws settings center with jaws 6.  then press control shift d 
to change to the default settings center.
then arrow to keyboard,general, then to  desktop jaws key and press the space 
bar on it to switch it between capslock or insert for the jaws key.

then you won't have to reach across the keyboard to get to the insert jaws key.
but in this mode you have to press alt capslock to turn the capslock key on or 
off.









-Original Message- 
From: Hans Pauli Sundstein

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] ***SPAM*** help With keystroke alt+M +jawskey

Hi.

Change keyboard layout in Jaws to "Laptop" and you'll be able to use the
Capslock key as Jawskey.

Hans Pauli.


-Oprindelig meddelelse- 
Fra: George Marshall

Dato: 11. februar 2018 16:37
Til: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Emne: ***SPAM*** [JAWS-Users] help With keystroke alt+M +jawskey

Hi:



I am using Windows7 jaws2018 and I have A bank program that requires the
keystroke in the subject feel, I have small hands and it's almost impossible
to perform this keystroke. Does anyone have a solution for this?



Thanks,



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

[net bat66]

the problem is f/s fault. not mine.
its still usable.
the programming is not the same for the laptop and desktop layout.
i am useing the desktop layout. and the capslock for the jaws key.
only alt capslock will turn it on or off.
double pressing the key will  not work with this layout.
-Original Message- 
From: LeDon

Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 8:16 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

Can you press cap lock twice quickly and hear either cap lock on or cap lock
off? If so,  then it is working correctly. If this doesn't work for you call
FS. Because if that doesn't work for you after all of the people on this
list who have tried to help you with this, they can not help you solve your
proplem. That is Where FS should come in, call them!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 2:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

i have to use alt capslock to turn it on and off. capslock alone will do
nothing.
i have the capslock as the jaws key.
-Original Message-
From: LeDon
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 5:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

Vicky, If you have the laptop keyboard configuration set up on your
computer, you should be able to tap quickly on the cap lock key and hear
either cap lock on, or cap lock off. When cap lock is on you will type in
all caps. With the cap lock off you will use the shift key to type an
uppercase letter. You probably already know that. But here's the thing, if
it is not working that way for you, then, it is time to call FS.
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 12:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

I was just looking for the key itself, which is the caps lock and how to
turn it off when I need to use the shift key.

For some reason, tapping it twice quickly has no effect. If I change the
JAWS key to another key, my caps lock key works fine, so I know it's not an
issue with the physical key on the keyboard.

I'm just wondering if there is something else I need to adjust to get it to
function correctly when tapping twice to use as a caps lock key.

Vicki

- Original Message -
From: "David Whitehead" <davidmac1...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed



not sure what your looking for hear;
the capslock key is the insert key if you are using the laptop layout,
the keystroke to bring up the jaws cursor is: capslock+p, to bring up
the pc cursor, capslock+semi colon.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

Tried that and for some reason it isn't working.


- Original Message -
From: "Debby" <dm-h...@comcast.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed



Click the caps lock key twice quickly.

Debby


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Good Morning!

What is the keystroke for turning off the caps lock key temporarily
as the JAWS cursor when using a laptop keyboard?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

[net bat66]

sorry, this doesn't work for me. i have to press alt capslock. your way does 
not work with me.
-Original Message- 
From: LeDon

Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 6:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

You don't need to press the alt cap lock to turn it on or off. Just tap on
your cap lock key twice quickly without pressing any other key to turn cap
lock on or off.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 6:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

i don't know if the same keys are used with the desktop layout. but i am
useing the capslock for the jaws modifier.
and i can turn capslock on and off by pressing the alt and caps lock to turn
it on or off.

-Original Message-
From: Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

No, the tab twice isn't working and you an change which key you use in the
settings center.

Vicki

- Original Message -
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed



Hi Vicky. Are you asking how to temporarily disable the caps lock key as

the

jaws modifier? I think you have to change the keyboard layout to do this,
however you can toggle the capslock on and off by double tapping it

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:38 AM
To: JAWS <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

Good Morning!

What is the keystroke for turning off the caps lock key temporarily as the
JAWS cursor when using a laptop keyboard?

Thanks.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

[net bat66]

i have to use alt capslock to turn it on and off. capslock alone will do 
nothing.

i have the capslock as the jaws key.
-Original Message- 
From: LeDon

Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 5:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

Vicky, If you have the laptop keyboard configuration set up on your
computer, you should be able to tap quickly on the cap lock key and hear
either cap lock on, or cap lock off. When cap lock is on you will type in
all caps. With the cap lock off you will use the shift key to type an
uppercase letter. You probably already know that. But here's the thing, if
it is not working that way for you, then, it is time to call FS.
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 12:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

I was just looking for the key itself, which is the caps lock and how to
turn it off when I need to use the shift key.

For some reason, tapping it twice quickly has no effect. If I change the
JAWS key to another key, my caps lock key works fine, so I know it's not an
issue with the physical key on the keyboard.

I'm just wondering if there is something else I need to adjust to get it to
function correctly when tapping twice to use as a caps lock key.

Vicki

- Original Message -
From: "David Whitehead" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed



not sure what your looking for hear;
the capslock key is the insert key if you are using the laptop layout,
the keystroke to bring up the jaws cursor is: capslock+p,
to bring up the pc cursor, capslock+semi colon.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

Tried that and for some reason it isn't working.


- Original Message - 
From: "Debby" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed



Click the caps lock key twice quickly.

Debby


Sent from my iPhone


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Good Morning!

What is the keystroke for turning off the caps lock key temporarily as
the JAWS cursor when using a laptop keyboard?

Thanks.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

[net bat66]

i have to use alt capslock to turn it on and off. capslock alone will do 
nothing.

i have the capslock as the jaws key.
-Original Message- 
From: LeDon

Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 5:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

Vicky, If you have the laptop keyboard configuration set up on your
computer, you should be able to tap quickly on the cap lock key and hear
either cap lock on, or cap lock off. When cap lock is on you will type in
all caps. With the cap lock off you will use the shift key to type an
uppercase letter. You probably already know that. But here's the thing, if
it is not working that way for you, then, it is time to call FS.
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 12:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

I was just looking for the key itself, which is the caps lock and how to
turn it off when I need to use the shift key.

For some reason, tapping it twice quickly has no effect. If I change the
JAWS key to another key, my caps lock key works fine, so I know it's not an
issue with the physical key on the keyboard.

I'm just wondering if there is something else I need to adjust to get it to
function correctly when tapping twice to use as a caps lock key.

Vicki

- Original Message -
From: "David Whitehead" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed



not sure what your looking for hear;
the capslock key is the insert key if you are using the laptop layout,
the keystroke to bring up the jaws cursor is: capslock+p,
to bring up the pc cursor, capslock+semi colon.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

Tried that and for some reason it isn't working.


- Original Message - 
From: "Debby" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed



Click the caps lock key twice quickly.

Debby


Sent from my iPhone


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Good Morning!

What is the keystroke for turning off the caps lock key temporarily as
the JAWS cursor when using a laptop keyboard?

Thanks.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

[net bat66]

i don't know if the same keys are used with the desktop layout. but i am useing 
the capslock for the jaws modifier.
and i can turn capslock on and off by pressing the alt and caps lock to turn it 
on or off.


-Original Message- 
From: Vicki W.

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 1:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

No, the tab twice isn't working and you an change which key you use in the
settings center.

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "chris judge" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed



Hi Vicky. Are you asking how to temporarily disable the caps lock key as the
jaws modifier? I think you have to change the keyboard layout to do this,
however you can toggle the capslock on and off by double tapping it

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:38 AM
To: JAWS 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS keystroke needed

Good Morning!

What is the keystroke for turning off the caps lock key temporarily as the
JAWS cursor when using a laptop keyboard?

Thanks.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Websites, links and clickables

[net bat66]

you will get more help from others. but somewhere in jaws is the option to turn 
off clickables.
as far as i am concerned they are useless. none of the so called clickables i 
have incountered are even a link.

i turned this off but i can't find this option now.

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 10:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Websites, links and clickables

Afternoon all.
I have been trying to open a link on my sons school website. However, when II 
arrive on a link, I hear “clickable”, and nothing happens when I enter on it. I 
cannot seem to open it via the Links menus either. Suggestions/recommendations? 
I am running JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Desktop & Windows 10

[net bat66]

if you mean disableing the log on screen try this.
i don't know if this will work with the win 10 fall version.

open the run dialog and type in netplwiz.
this will open the user account settings and you can set it to log on 
automatically.

it will want you to enter your log in password.
once you get this set up it will go directly to the desktop.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:16 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Desktop & Windows 10

Hi All,

Running Jaws 16 thru 2018 latest & Windows 10 Pro Creator latest.  I've been
searching the Internet & through 10's settings for a setting that I can use
for Windows 10 to boot to the desktop when starting, & also how to put the
desktop in the, Alt + Tab , order.  Well, I haven't had any luck, & if
anyone knows how to accomplish the above tasks', would you please be kind
enough to share?!  All help will be greatly appreciated, & gratefully
accepted.  Thanks much.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 2018 repair

[net bat66]

you have to do one more thing to actually save the default.jss and default.jsb 
files that you deleted.
you have to open the default.jss file and then open the pull down menu and use 
save.
when you do the two files you mentioned will be saved in that folder where you 
deleted them.
if you don't jaws will use the factory script files from the program 
data\freedom scientific\scripts folder instead.



-Original Message- 
From: Fernando Gregoire

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 6:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 2018 repair

Hi Ralph,

Now that you told what you were doing, I can give you the exact fix.
When you modified the Default script file in JAWS 18 and pressed CTRL+S, Script 
Manager saved the modified version in the JAWS user folder. When you imported 
settings to JAWS 2018 the file was also saved in the JAWS 2018 user folder, but 
since the file is from 18.0 and you didn't used the Use statement, the problem 
is that JAWS 2018 is using the Default.jsb file based on JAWS 18.0.

To fix this, with JAWS closed, go to the following folder:
C:\Users\YourUser\AppData\Roaming\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2018\Settings\Enu
In this folder, find and delete the files named Default.jss and Default.jsb, 
then restart JAWS and the problem should be resolved.


As a suggestion, if your keyboard hasn't the Applications key, you usually 
won't need to make any modifications to get back that functionality into 
another key. This is because Windows always had a keyboard shortcut for opening 
context menus when your keyboard has not Applications key: you can just press 
SHIFT+F10 and, except in less standard programs like games in full screen mode, 
you will see the same context menu. Similarly, if you're using a keyboard in 
which there's no Windows key, you can quickly open the Start menu by pressing 
CTRL+ESCAPE.


Hope it helps!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Ralph Supernaw

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 2018 repair

I tried the "save as shared" and it wouldn't let me.

I think this problem came up because my Jaws 18 default script was modified to 
allow the printscreen to act like the application key since my laptop doesn't 
have an application key.  When I installed Jaws 2018 a couple months ago I had 
it import my Jaws 18 settings.


The problem was that when I press the "printscreen" key, I got a message saying 
something about an unknown call to script.  Since I normally use a wireless 
keyboard that has the application key I hadn't gotten around to trying to fix 
things until this weekend.  I opened the default script in the script manager. 
It showed the modification I had made to my Jaws 18 default script.  I saved 
the 2018 script and exited the script manager.  Now I'm getting the message 
about the default script not being found.


I'm a script ignoramus so have no idea what to do.  I would appreciate some 
easy-to-follow instructions about what to do.


Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Fernando Gregoire

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 6:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 2018 repair

Unless you were modifying this file or installing scripts that make 
modifications to it, this is rare.
However, if you can bring the file in Script Manager with CTRL+SHIFT+D, try 
using the Save As Shared option in the File menu to see if recompiling the file 
fixes the issue. This is because JAWS actually doesn't search the default.jss, 
but the compiled file in binary format, that is, default.jsb. Note that if you 
have UAC enabled, you will need to run Script Manager as administrator to be 
able to save into the shared folder.
If you were making modifications, these were saved in the JAWS user folder when 
you pressed CTRL+S. If so, go to the JAWS settings folder for your user (use 
the Explore My Settings shortcut or go to the path 
C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Freedom 
Scientific\JAWS\version\Settings\enu), and delete the default.jsb file in this 
folder if it exists. If you use JAWS in a language other than English, change 
Enu for the three letter abbreviation of your language, for example ESN for 
Spanish.


Hope it helps!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Ralph Supernaw

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 2018 repair

Hi,

I am getting a message that my default script is missing.  How do I get it 
back?  From what I can tell, it's still there (at least I can bring it up in 
the script manager.  Would a Jaws system repair do any good?  If so, how do you 
do one?


Thanks


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

[net bat66]

2018

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

What version of jaws did you use?

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 2:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

i couldn't find it. and it was probibly off because it imported my settings
from eset 8 which was already turned off.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

Did you turn off gamer mode?

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Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

i tried n v d a,jaws and window eyes on it and there are many places that
don't say what the menu items are. and some places you don't know if the
menus have been activated or not. its better then version 10 but its not
there yet.

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

Have you tried it or has anyone else tried it?

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

https://forum.eset.com/topic/13203-eset-nod32-11-beta/

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

[net bat66]

i couldn't find it. and it was probibly off because it imported my settings 
from eset 8 which was already turned off.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

Did you turn off gamer mode?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

i tried n v d a,jaws and window eyes on it and there are many places that
don't say what the menu items are. and some places you don't know if the
menus have been activated or not. its better then version 10 but its not
there yet.

-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

Have you tried it or has anyone else tried it?

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

https://forum.eset.com/topic/13203-eset-nod32-11-beta/

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

[net bat66]

i tried n v d a,jaws and window eyes on it and there are many places that don't 
say what the menu items are. and some places you don't know if the menus have 
been activated or not. its better then version 10 but its not there yet.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne

Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

Have you tried it or has anyone else tried it?

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Nod 32 appears accessible with screen readers

https://forum.eset.com/topic/13203-eset-nod32-11-beta/

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

[net bat66]

its not useful as far as i am concerned.
both window eyes and n v d a does the same thing. and so far none of these so 
called clickables click on anything.
if i could turn this off for all my screen readers i would do it. its totally 
useless to me.


-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey Cristobal.

Yes, I know I can disable it, but having JAWS detect these elements is
potentially useful. It just seems like it's doing it wrong, and I'd like to
know why that is. I know I'm not the only one; does everyone else just turn
the whole thing off, or live with it?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Crist�bal
Sent: January 10, 2018 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Disable the detect elements setting in your Jaws settings. Going off of
memory so the exact terminology may be off, but it's easy to find. I'm sure
someone else will provide step by step instructions if needed.

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Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why does JAWS say "clickable" when it isn't?

Hey everyone.

I know this topic came up here some time ago, but I'm afraid it wasn't
relevant to me at the time and wasn't a thread I took the time to read. So,
sorry for bringing it up again.



But yes, I was just wondering about this. I understand that there often *is*
"clickable" text on a webpage, and JAWS is trying to inform me of this fact.
But on many pages, every line will say "clickable", even though there is
nothing to click/nothing happens when you click. Why is this? And can I get
a happy medium somewhere? Obviously I don't want to miss important
information about a page, but when I'm reading a wikipedia article or IMDB
review or something and hear "clickable, clickable, clickable", on what
appears to be static text - that just seems like weird, excessive noise.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[net bat66]

check your jaws version again.
this option is not available with version 18.0
only with version 2018.
they are not the same version.
you do not open the files with adobe.
you highlight them from the file list then open a context menu on them
to use the Recognize with JAWS  option. but only with jaws 2018.

-Original Message- 
From: Vicki W.

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

Recognize with JAWS is not in the context menu for any of these 3 documents.


- Original Message - 
From: "net bat66" <netba...@gmail.com>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



none of this is  needed with jaws 2018.
its easier to just go to the file and open a context menu on it and use 
recognize with jaws. without haveing to open it in adobe reader.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave...Oregonian

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

What version of JAWS? You need to have the document open in Adobe, then
remember that the convenient OCR keystrokes are:

Insert+Spacebar
Release to hear a click sound
Press the letter O
release
Press the letter D
release
You should hear a response that it is working

I recall that this was available in JAWS 17 or later.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Vicki W." <vwher...@comcast.net>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:14
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other
window opens.

The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a
difference?

Vicki

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To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



Hi Vicki,

After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
(without the quotes).
This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
scan, depending on the size of your document.
The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.

Reed
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Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018 to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[net bat66]

none of this is  needed with jaws 2018.
its easier to just go to the file and open a context menu on it and use 
recognize with jaws. without haveing to open it in adobe reader.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave...Oregonian

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

What version of JAWS? You need to have the document open in Adobe, then
remember that the convenient OCR keystrokes are:

Insert+Spacebar
Release to hear a click sound
Press the letter O
release
Press the letter D
release
You should hear a response that it is working

I recall that this was available in JAWS 17 or later.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Vicki W." 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:14
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other
window opens.

The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a
difference?

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Reed" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



Hi Vicki,

After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
(without the quotes).
This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
scan, depending on the size of your document.
The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.

Reed
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018 to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[net bat66]

they said jaws 2018.
no, note pad is not needed to read the text.
i just for got to delete the note pad reference when i was editing what i was 
going to say. grin
but you do need to use note pad if you want to save the ocr text, by useing 
copy and paste to copy the text into note pad.

***


-Original Message- 
From: Dave...Oregonian

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

That seems a bit vague, even to me. Do you bring up the file list in the
"Open" dialog of Notepad? If so, you also need to change the file type to
"all files" to see any PDF document.

I'm thinking that your idea is based on JAWS 2018 with the capability to
recognize a PDF file directly from a file list in Windows Explorer, and not
opening it. If so, then Notepad has nothing to do with the process -- the
virtual viewer will come up without having Notepad open.

I'm not sure the requester has said what version of JAWS is being used.

Also the context menu that pops up does not say "OCR" it instead says
"Recognize with JAWS".

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


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From: "net bat66" <netba...@gmail.com>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:17
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018


easy.
open note pad then go to your files. but don't open them.
open a context menu on them and use the ocr option and wait a few seconds
for
it to process the text.
do not press  the escape key or it will close. then you can  view the text
of
the pdf file.
the acuracy of the text depends on how much video errors there are in the
scanned image.



-Original Message- 
From: Vicki W.

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018
to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[net bat66]

you have to wait. like a 200 page pdf file can take over 1 minute to process. 
and jaws will  make a tone while you are waiting until it has finished.


-Original Message- 
From: Vicki W.

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 11:14 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

That's not working. It still continues to say empty document and no other
window opens.

The particular pdf does contain images and print. Would that make a
difference?

Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "Reed" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018



Hi Vicki,

After opening the "empty" pdf, hit JAWSKey+spacebar followed by "od"
(without the quotes).
This invokes the OCR document scan.  It will take a bit of time for the
scan, depending on the size of your document.
The result is then displayed in the virtual viewer.
If you wanted to, once the scan is complete, you could select all of the
text, copy it to the clipboard and paste it into a text file.

Reed
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Behalf Of Vicki W.
Sent: January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS
2018 to read them?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

[net bat66]

easy.
open note pad then go to your files. but don't open them.
open a context menu on them and use the ocr option and wait a few seconds for 
it to process the text.
do not press  the escape key or it will close. then you can  view the text of 
the pdf file.
the acuracy of the text depends on how much video errors there are in the 
scanned image.




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From: Vicki W.

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:47 AM
To: JAWS
Subject: [JAWS-Users] reading empty PDF document with JAWS 2018

I have several .PDF documents showing up as empty, so how can I get JAWS 2018 
to read them?


Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] shortcut key for jaws

[net bat66]

the problem with this is every jaws version you have installed would have the 
same shortcut keys. this would not work. they would be in conflict.

so i say leve it alone. let the user create there own shortcuts.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long

Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 1:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] shortcut key for jaws

There is no reason they couldn't put a short cut in there automatically
pre-configured.  Let the user change it if they want but it would make
easier for those that are used to it or that prefer it.

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Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 5:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] shortcut key for jaws

You wouldn't have to find it on the desktop. Just hit windows key+r, and
type in "jaws17" or "jaws18", depending on what version you want. Then,
there it is. Considering that every JAWS install removes the shortcut, and
how often they have updates nowadays, I just stopped bothering with the
shortcut altogether, and just use the run command, which always works so
long as File Explorer is running.




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Sent: January 8, 2018 5:33 PM
To: Jaws
Subject: [JAWS-Users] shortcut key for jaws

I'm still using Jaws 18 so I don't know if this is changed in Jaws 2018.
However, I have noticed over the years when you perform a jaws update you
also have to put back your shortcut key to bring up Jaws. I'mglad I have
Jaws to start first on reboot because I would have a difficult time trying
to find the version of jaws I'm using since I have Jaws 17 as well as 18 on
the desktop.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Where do I locate WordPad

[net bat66]

type in wordpad in the search box in the start menu. that will load the 
program.


-Original Message- 
From: Arianna Calesso

Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 4:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Where do I locate WordPad

I'm using Windows 7 and JAWS 18 and for the life of me I can't find WordPad.

Can someone tell me where to look?

Arianna
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Re: [JAWS-Users] windows live mail account not working

[net bat66]

google it. no wlm support.
the entire essentials package was dropped by microsoft last febuary and  you 
can not download it anymore from microsoft.


-Original Message- 
From: Scorpio

Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 8:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] windows live mail account not working

Andy, Where did you get the information that Microsoft was not going to
support Windows Live mail any longer?

Do you have a source you can tell us?

I would think if they weren't going to support it any longer, they would not
offer it up for download.

Am I wrong?
Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: andy t

Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 8:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] windows live mail account not working

   Hello Kimsan, when you changed your password, did you change it on
the AOL server or did you just change it in WLM? now if you changed it
in both places when this dialog appears just press the escape key.
I know for a fact that all my passwords are correct in both my server and in
the WLM program but I get the same thing some times several times a
day and then again I could go for a week or two and never have an issue also
I have had to dis connect my router for a minute and re connect it and it
works well with no issues.
I have also found another problem, sometime my WLM won't send any messages
and what I do there is close the program and re open it and it works
correctly.
I suppose this is caused by Microsoft no longer supporting the program and
because we are using it in windows 10 it may not function in windows
10 after the next update but we will have to wait and see.

-Original Message- 
From: Kimsan

Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 7:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] windows live mail account not working

Hi,

I've noticed my aol.com email isn't work and hasn not been for a long while
now.

I changed the password and I get the dialog, Windows Live Mail

Some errors occurred while processing the requested tasks.  Please
Hidereview the list of errors below for more details.

Stop

<< Details

Tasks Errors

Unable to send or receive messages for the Aol (kimsansong) account. Header
download for

the 'Notes' folder did not complete. The connection to the server has
failed.

Server Response: Your IMAP command could not be sent to the server, due to
non-network

errors. This could, for example, indicate a lack of memory on your system.

Server: 'imap.aol.com'

Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC0E

Protocol: IMAP

Port: 143

Secure(SSL): No

1 of 2 tasks have completed successfully

Thoughts?





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Re: [JAWS-Users] windows live mail account not working

[net bat66]

i would check with aol's web site
maybe they have changed there email protocols
many email servers are useing a secured incomeing and outgoing server and this 
would have to be changed in the wlm account settings to match what the server 
wants.



-Original Message- 
From: Kimsan

Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 4:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] windows live mail account not working

Hi,

I've noticed my aol.com email isn't work and hasn not been for a long while
now.

I changed the password and I get the dialog, Windows Live Mail

Some errors occurred while processing the requested tasks.  Please
Hidereview the list of errors below for more details.

Stop

<< Details

Tasks Errors

Unable to send or receive messages for the Aol (kimsansong) account. Header
download for

the 'Notes' folder did not complete. The connection to the server has
failed.

Server Response: Your IMAP command could not be sent to the server, due to
non-network

errors. This could, for example, indicate a lack of memory on your system.

Server: 'imap.aol.com'

Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x800CCC0E

Protocol: IMAP

Port: 143

Secure(SSL): No

1 of 2 tasks have completed successfully

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Re: [JAWS-Users] lost owner from desktop

[net bat66]

the first place to look is in the recycle bin.
***
open the windows search box and type in personalize
find the option to change icons. in there you will find the owners icon. check 
it and click on o k to put it back on the desktop.




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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 7:53 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] lost owner from desktop

using win 7 I just noticed that owner is missing on the desktop. How can I
get the shortcut back?
Looks like an interesting way to end 2017  or start 2018
Anyway the best to all of you!.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Looking for JAWS Key in Laptop Mode

[net bat66]

you can still use the capslock key for the jaws key with the desktop layout if 
you want too.

load the default applactations script.
go to the keyboard/general/insert key
then press enter on insert key to change it to the capslock key for the jaws 
key. and save your changes.


-Original Message- 
From: Judy Jones

Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Looking for JAWS Key in Laptop Mode

If you go into Jaws Basic Settings, and tab through, you have the option to
use desktop or laptop layout.  The Laptop layout will allow for the
Caps-lock to be your Jawskey, but if you have a number pad on your laptop,
that will still also work.

I had a desktop computer at one time at work,but still set up the layout for
laptop, because I found it more convenient.

Judy


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Michele Thredgold
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Looking for JAWS Key in Laptop Mode

Thanks. I'll try that.

Cheers!

Michele

- Original Message -
From: Reed  
To:  jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
CC:
Date: Monday, 11 December 2017 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Looking for JAWS Key in Laptop Mode




Hi Michele,

It is usually the Caps lock key.

Reed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Michele Thredgold
Sent: December 10, 2017 8:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Looking for JAWS Key in Laptop Mode

Hi listers. I've finally received my new laptop, a Leda laptop. Unlike
my old Toshiba, which had the desktop numeric keypad on it, this one
is smaller, and only has the numbers up the top.

I'm not used to using this kind of laptop, so am wondering which is
the JAWS key when JAWS is set to this mode.

Thanks.

Michele

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Changing Microsoft Defaults for More JAWS-Friendly Programs

[net bat66]

open the start screen and type in default browser.
i think you click on the edge browser and it will open the list of browsers you 
have installed. from there you choose i e for your default browser.


-Original Message- 
From: Michele Thredgold

Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Changing Microsoft Defaults for More JAWS-Friendly 
Programs


Hi all. My new laptop keeps wanting to revert to Microsoft Edge when I want to 
use the Internet, and Bing when I want to do a search. I Until now, I have been 
using Internet Explorer and Google. Would it be advisable to stay with these or 
has JAWS improved enough that I could use these default programs?


If not, how can I set my laptop up so that Microsoft doesn't keep overriding 
me?


I'm a total novice to Windows 10, so will be learning as I go along.

Thanks.

Michele

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Web site message

[net bat66]

you are opening a pdf file.
if you are trying to save the file open a context menu on the link and use save 
as to save the file to your drive.

***
usually if you close the adobe reader it will go back to a blank web page. but 
you would still be in your browser. sometimes alt left arrow will take you back 
a page where you were before the file downloaded.


-Original Message- 
From: Laura Richardson

Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 11:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Web site message

Hello,



When I went to a web site I got the following message:

Infer reading order from document (recommended)

Left- to - right top - to - bottom reading order

Use reading order in raw print stream



There is nothing to click on .. I cannot back out of this site with back
space or alt + left arrow .. I cannot go to favorites with alt + a .. The
only way to get off this site is alt + f4 which takes me off the internet
completely.



Has anybody come across this situation?  If so, do you have any suggestions
or remedies? .. Using Jaws 18, Windows 10 & Internet Explorer.



Thank you,

Laura





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Re: [JAWS-Users] can pdf be made to be more readable?

[net bat66]

some pdf's read better if you use the raw screen output instead of the default 
format.


-Original Message- 
From: Samuel White

Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] can pdf be made to be more readable?

Ted, I gave up on .pdf and convert them to word.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Ted Larson
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] can pdf be made to be more readable?

Dear List:

Years ago, I would read tax forms from the federal I r s that were in pdf
format.  They were quite readable if they were not too lengthy.  I mention
this, because I receive pdf documents from various persons that are not very
readable at all;  parts of lines are connected to other parts of lines.  In
order for me to read them, I ask them to convert them into Microsoft Word.
Are there steps they can take with these pdf documents, whether image or
character documents, to make them just as readable as the aforesaid I r s
documents?  Or, is converting the document to Word the easiest approach for
them to take?  Thanks for any ideas and clarifications.  Regards:  Ted
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Re: [JAWS-Users] how do you stop automatic audio from web sites

[net bat66]

and what browser?
if firefox press control m. but this only works while you are still on the web 
page.  you have to do this with every web page you go to that wants to play 
adds.


-Original Message- 
From: Ted Larson

Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 3:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] how do you stop automatic audio from web sites

Dear List:

When I go on some web sites, they may start playing commercials, music, and
videos.  How do I stop the audio so that I can read through the web site
with jaws so that jaws is not drowned out with these distractions?  Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] strange issue with links not activating properly in Firefox after switching to ESR version

[net bat66]

you could go into your add ons and disable webvisum without uninstalling it.;

-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 1:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] strange issue with links not activating properly in 
Firefox after switching to ESR version


Hi.

I don't know if I have ever gotten this popup. I do get a message from
google on their main page sometimes, but it does not look like a popup or
dialog box. However, maybe JAWS isn't seeing it for some reason? I guess
though this would come from google? Google *is* my homepage, so I guess that
does seem reasonable. Maybe if I set my homepage to something else, this
Chrome thing will not come up?

Yes, I do have the 64-bit version of ESR. Maybe I will try grabbing the
other one. I thought the stability issue was mostly to do with ad-ons, but
actually I have been getting bugged from webvism to log in to my account,
whose details I've forgotten...I suppose that add-on might be causing some
problems?



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: November 25, 2017 4:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] strange issue with links not activating properly
in Firefox after switching to ESR version

one thing to check when this happens. i keep getting the chrome popup
telling me i want to switch to chrome. when this happens both jaws and
window eyes browse mode stops working until i can close this dialog.
also did you download the 32 bit version of firefox esr? more people have
better screen reader stibility with it then the 64bit version.


-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 1:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] strange issue with links not activating properly in
Firefox after switching to ESR version

Hey everyone.
I'm running JAWS 18 on a Windows 10, 64-bit machine. Last week, my Firefox
was updated to the Quantum, version 57, release. As has been discussed on
this list, there are issues with accessibility with this version of the
programme, and although I found it worked *almost* fine with NVDA, it did
not work at all with JAWS, which I'm not entirely ready to give up using or
anything. So, I decided to switch to the 52 (ESR) version, as recommended by
many people and accessibility blogs. Instalation seemed to go fine, but I
found that although I could go to a website without problems using ctrl-l,
and sometimes search for something on that site, links would not activate
with the enter key-press. JAWS definitely recognises that a link is there
and I think the cursor is in the right place. I can also activate the links
using the context menu, in a new tab or window. But enter simply does
nothing. Another weird thing I noticed is that when this is happening,
alt-f4 will not close firefox, and I must do it with the programme's menu
option.

I uninstalled Firefox altogether this time, as the first time I just tried
to install v.52 over v.57 without uninstalling the programme, which is
*supposed* to work. But starting fresh is sometimes good, right? Well, to my
joy, the programme (firefox) seemed to be working great for a couple of
days. This afternoon though, when I loaded the browser to check the mobile
facebook site, once again, links would not activate with the enter key and
the programme wouldn't close normally. I'm not positive these two things are
related, but thinking about it now, I almost always close programmes with
alt-f4 and I'm quite sure this is how I always closed firefox until now.

Anyone have any clues as to what the devil might be going on? I'm going to
have to switch permanently to Chrome if this keeps up. I even went to
internet Explorer for a bit, but a lot of sites I go to regularly, like
goodreads.com, simply do not work properly with that browser anymore, and
it's very definitely being phased out by mS in favour of Edge, so I'd rather
just put it to sleep permanently. Firefox has been my go-to browser for
years anyway and I don't think I've ever had any issues like this, until
now.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] strange issue with links not activating properly in Firefox after switching to ESR version

[net bat66]

one thing to check when this happens. i keep getting the chrome popup telling 
me i want to switch to chrome. when this happens both jaws and window eyes 
browse mode stops working until i can close this dialog.
also did you download the 32 bit version of firefox esr? more people have 
better screen reader stibility with it then the 64bit version.



-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 1:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] strange issue with links not activating properly in 
Firefox after switching to ESR version


Hey everyone.
I'm running JAWS 18 on a Windows 10, 64-bit machine. Last week, my Firefox
was updated to the Quantum, version 57, release. As has been discussed on
this list, there are issues with accessibility with this version of the
programme, and although I found it worked *almost* fine with NVDA, it did
not work at all with JAWS, which I'm not entirely ready to give up using or
anything. So, I decided to switch to the 52 (ESR) version, as recommended by
many people and accessibility blogs. Instalation seemed to go fine, but I
found that although I could go to a website without problems using ctrl-l,
and sometimes search for something on that site, links would not activate
with the enter key-press. JAWS definitely recognises that a link is there
and I think the cursor is in the right place. I can also activate the links
using the context menu, in a new tab or window. But enter simply does
nothing. Another weird thing I noticed is that when this is happening,
alt-f4 will not close firefox, and I must do it with the programme's menu
option.

I uninstalled Firefox altogether this time, as the first time I just tried
to install v.52 over v.57 without uninstalling the programme, which is
*supposed* to work. But starting fresh is sometimes good, right? Well, to my
joy, the programme (firefox) seemed to be working great for a couple of
days. This afternoon though, when I loaded the browser to check the mobile
facebook site, once again, links would not activate with the enter key and
the programme wouldn't close normally. I'm not positive these two things are
related, but thinking about it now, I almost always close programmes with
alt-f4 and I'm quite sure this is how I always closed firefox until now.

Anyone have any clues as to what the devil might be going on? I'm going to
have to switch permanently to Chrome if this keeps up. I even went to
internet Explorer for a bit, but a lot of sites I go to regularly, like
goodreads.com, simply do not work properly with that browser anymore, and
it's very definitely being phased out by mS in favour of Edge, so I'd rather
just put it to sleep permanently. Firefox has been my go-to browser for
years anyway and I don't think I've ever had any issues like this, until
now.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] cannot install 2018

[net bat66]

are you logged in as the administrator?
it will not install as a standard user.
also try installing it with jaws not running. use narrator or n v d a if you 
have it.;; it might run this way.


-Original Message- 
From: Vicki W.

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 1:35 PM
To: JAWS
Subject: [JAWS-Users] cannot install 2018

I am unable to install JAWS 2018 on either computer. I am up to date on 
everything.


I am using Windows 7 pro.

I am using Nod32 as my antivirus, but have never had a problem with that 
before.


Any suggestions as to what to try?

Thanks.

Vicki
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How to use jaws find in acrobat reader in a PDF document

[net bat66]

if its the newest adobe dc its in the edit pull down in accessibility.
1 problem though. if you have a large document it will take a long time for it 
to load.
i tried a 174 page document and it took 2 minutes to load and about 20 seconds 
before jaws started talking
i also tried some searches for words at the bottom of the file and jaws control 
c only found the words when i turned off single page mode.


-Original Message- 
From: Mary Otten

Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 12:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How to use jaws find in acrobat reader in a PDF 
document


I couldn’t find that setting either to double check it. When you first start 
Adobe acrobat reader, you do get that Accessibility wizard. I was a little bit 
confused with that, but I did tell it to read all pages. But then there was 
something about should I display continuously or as a single page. I picked 
single page. Because I thought the telling if I wanted to read all pages even 
in large documents where is sufficient. Now I can’t find the screen 
Accessibility thing again to go through it. I’ve certainly done through the 
menus and really can’t find it. Hopefully this jaws  control F will do it.

Mary


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On Nov 16, 2017, at 12:54 PM, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

i don't know where the setting is. but you have to set adobe to load the 
entire document into memory. the default is to load one page at a time. if it 
is set this way jaws will only find text that is showing on the screen.;


-Original Message- From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 12:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How to use jaws find in acrobat reader in a PDF 
document


What works is adding the JAWS key to the control-f command, all three at 
once.


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten

Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How to use jaws find in acrobat reader in a PDF 
document


I have read the jaws help regarding using jaws with acrobat acrobat reader. 
There was no mention made of using the find command, but since it works in 
HTML documents on the Internet, I assumed it would also work in PDF files. So 
if I do a control F, then type in a word or phrase I know is in a PDF 
document, I expect to be moved there. That is not happening. What am I doing 
wrong and how can I fix it?

Mary


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Re: [JAWS-Users] How to use jaws find in acrobat reader in a PDF document

[net bat66]

i don't know where the setting is. but you have to set adobe to load the entire 
document into memory. the default is to load one page at a time. if it is set 
this way jaws will only find text that is showing on the screen.;


-Original Message- 
From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 12:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How to use jaws find in acrobat reader in a PDF 
document


What works is adding the JAWS key to the control-f command, all three at once.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten

Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How to use jaws find in acrobat reader in a PDF document

I have read the jaws help regarding using jaws with acrobat acrobat reader. 
There was no mention made of using the find command, but since it works in HTML 
documents on the Internet, I assumed it would also work in PDF files. So if I 
do a control F, then type in a word or phrase I know is in a PDF document, I 
expect to be moved there. That is not happening. What am I doing wrong and how 
can I fix it?

Mary


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Certificate error

[net bat66]

check your computer clock.  if its out of date, or if the battery is dead you 
could get this error.


-Original Message- 
From: Arianna Calesso

Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 7:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Certificate error

Using Windows 7 and JAWS 18 I'm getting a certificate error when trying to go 
to the internet.  How do I change this?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] new computer or not

[net bat66]

this is not a good idea. any corrupted  drivers and settings would be 
transfered over to the new computer. and if you have a virus this would be 
transfered over too.


-Original Message- 
From: Steve

Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 9:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] new computer or not

You could use a program like Laplink PcMover to migrate a lot of stuff from
your old pc to a new one; it will transfer all your data and many different
programs.  Some programs, like Microsoft Office, may transfer but you'd only
need to enter the activation number or product key.


Supposedly, if you do an in-place upgrade, which is the procedure you are
proposing, theoretically, you won't lose your data or programs.  But, you'd
need to have a backup, because, there's no guaranty when you do that
in-place upgrade.

But, I would think that you would be confront the same difficulty you
currently have, because an In-place repair will probably only use stock
network drivers, and you're saying the network driver for your card is no
longer available.

If you want to use your same programs and pc, you might consider a
usb-to-ethernet adapter.

Steve
Lansing, MI
- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 

To: "JFW List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 3:44 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] new computer or not


First I really do not want to purchase a new machine at this time. The
problem that I have with my network drivers microsoft can not correct. The
computer is a 2009 machine running win 7 32 bit. The corrupted driver can
not be updated or reinstalled. the manufacturer no longer has a 32 bit
driver on their web site. One thing that I am not sure of is if I could use
my origional 32 bit windows install to run a repair and keep all of my files
and programs. If that would work I would go that way. Microsoft is willing
to create a product key and download the 64 bit os and install it on my
machine.I hate to go through the work to reinstall programs and try to
recover product keys and all emails on the new os. Now for me it would be
the same amount of work if I purchased a new desktop.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] new computer or not

[net bat66]

mine says the same thing. local internet not connected, from the task bar.
but if i reseat the cat cable to the computer side and wait a few seconds it 
will report that i have a local internet connection.

i haven't replaced my cables yet.


-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 4:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] new computer or not

I do not lose the connection, the computer reports that there is not a
connection while I am on line.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat66

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 5:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] new computer or not

have you tried another cat 5 data cable from the computer to the router or
from
the computer to the all in one modem if you have one?
i have this problem right now. it loses the connection almost every day when
i
turn the computer on. i have to replace my cables about every 4 years
because
of corrosion on the connections. which i haven't done yet.
***
i forgot where the actual command prompt file is.
but if you go to it , open a context menu and run as administrator. then if
jaws works with a command prompt
type in sfc /scannow to see if windows can find and replace the corupted
files.
you could try to do a repair there.
in your case it might ask for your install disk though.
but its worth a try if you haven't tried this yet. it takes about 10 minutes
to
complete.




-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 1:44 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] new computer or not

First I really do not want to purchase a new machine at this time. The
problem that I have with my network drivers microsoft can not correct. The
computer is a 2009 machine running win 7 32 bit. The corrupted driver can
not be updated or reinstalled. the manufacturer no longer has a 32 bit
driver on their web site. One thing that I am not sure of is if I could use
my origional 32 bit windows install to run a repair and keep all of my files
and programs. If that would work I would go that way. Microsoft is willing
to create a product key and download the 64 bit os and install it on my
machine.I hate to go through the work to reinstall programs and try to
recover product keys and all emails on the new os. Now for me it would be
the same amount of work if I purchased a new desktop.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] new computer or not

[net bat66]

have you tried another cat 5 data cable from the computer to the router or from 
the computer to the all in one modem if you have one?
i have this problem right now. it loses the connection almost every day when i 
turn the computer on. i have to replace my cables about every 4 years  because 
of corrosion on the connections. which i haven't done yet.

***
i forgot where the actual command prompt file is.
but if you go to it , open a context menu and run as administrator. then if 
jaws works with a command prompt

type in sfc /scannow to see if windows can find and replace the corupted files.
you could try to do a repair there.
in your case it might ask for your install disk though.
but its worth a try if you haven't tried this yet. it takes about 10 minutes to 
complete.





-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 1:44 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] new computer or not

First I really do not want to purchase a new machine at this time. The
problem that I have with my network drivers microsoft can not correct. The
computer is a 2009 machine running win 7 32 bit. The corrupted driver can
not be updated or reinstalled. the manufacturer no longer has a 32 bit
driver on their web site. One thing that I am not sure of is if I could use
my origional 32 bit windows install to run a repair and keep all of my files
and programs. If that would work I would go that way. Microsoft is willing
to create a product key and download the 64 bit os and install it on my
machine.I hate to go through the work to reinstall programs and try to
recover product keys and all emails on the new os. Now for me it would be
the same amount of work if I purchased a new desktop.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 2018 installation

[net bat66]

don't try to re save the default.jss script file though.
if you do jaws will  start telling you the default.jss file is missing and you 
will get keyboard errors when you press the arrow keys.

this has happened to me 3 times now after i merged the settings.
once with the beta and twice with the full 2017 upgrade.
the old sscript file from v18 compiled with no errors in v18.
i had to fine the factory script file and  paste it back into the default 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] messages going to the spam folder

[net bat66]

most of the time the messages that go to  junk mail are useing the cc or bcc 
field to send there messages.
its g mail that is blocking the messages and i don't have any spam filters. 
even when i go directly to web mail and put the messages in the wite list they 
still go to spam. usually from the same senders.


-Original Message- 
From: Flor Lynch

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] messages going to the spam folder

I haven't had that problem in Windows Live Mail, and have been using it
since 2011 on and off. My filter is set to low. Sometimes other mail may get
dropped into its spam folder, but this is usually because people have
cross-posted or included something else 'questionable' in the content. It
gets the majority of really spam emails. My Eset AntiSpam folder very, very
seldom receives an email!

-Original Message- 
From: net bat66

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] messages going to the spam folder

its already on no filtering.
but i didn't think about blocked senders. i'll check for this.

-Original Message- 

From: David Whitehead

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 12:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] messages going to the spam folder

hello;

try the following, it's been awhile since I've used windows live mail.

alt+f/o/s
here you land into the safety options page,

which box is checked.
you could probably use the first of 4.



-Original Message-

From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On

Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] messages going to the spam folder

why do i have some users emails all going to my gmail spam folder with gmail

and wlm?
i do not have any spam filters and i heven went directly to the gmail web
mail
and told it that these messages are not spam and they still go to the spam
folder.
one poster is not useing the cc or bcc field  either.
with wlm all the messages in these fields go to spam.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

[net bat66]

but control i opens all the bookmarks, without all the history that i don't 
want.

and with control i the bookmark list will stay opened until you close it.
it also has the search function that lets you search through the entire 
bookmark list
you can highlight multible bookmarks for deletion if you want and it will stay 
opened.

etc.
i have used control i for about 20 years and offers more options then then alt 
b does.
but i also said, with control i , i have to turn the pc virtual cursor or 
browse mode in win eyes off first before i open the bookmark list or firefox 
will hang.


-Original Message- 
From: Hareth

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

ALT plus B, works fine here with firefox bookmarks.

On 10/31/17, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

which hot key are you useing to open the bookmark list?
with me i have to turn browse mode off with window eyes and with jaws the pc
curser before i do this. or firefox will hang and speech will be lost until
firefox comes back. that if it does at all. grin
but if you press control i it will open the bookmark list and it will stay
opened until you close it again with control i.
you can edit,move or delete bookmarks you don't want anymore just by
highlighting them and press the delete key.
also in this list you can search for bookmarks in the search box.
one thing i do when i save bookmarks i give them my own description  at the
begginning of the line before i save them. like clothes, cd, blind product
etc.
this makes it a little easier to find the bookmarks you want.

-Original Message-
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

Hello list,

Screen reader issues with the coming Firefox 57 aside, I know some add-ons
are going to stop working regardless when these pending problems are
resolved.

For years, I�ve been using the PlainOldFavorites extension and while I
haven�t actually used IE in forever, I�ve always liked IE�s favorites layout
simplicity

In any event, I�ve recently been trying to work with Firefox bookmarks and
am dealing with a frustrating issue. There appear to be some bookmarks that
no matter how much I try to delete/get rid of them, they�re still showing up
in my bookmarks menu. This is making jumping to a bookmark by the first
letter tedious and much longer than when working in IE�s favorites layout.
They seem to be showing up right after the most recent bookmarked option. Be
it deleted folders or unsorted bookmarks.

Was just wondering if I�m missing something on how to better sort the
Firefox bookmarks menu or if this is just going to be a part of dealing with
this feature? I do already have bookmarks set to sort by name.

Using the latest JFW 2018 recently released and am on Firefox 56.X. I�ve
already disabled the automatic update in Firefox and will only update once
the noted screen reader issues are finally resolved.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristobal



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

[net bat66]

which hot key are you useing to open the bookmark list?
with me i have to turn browse mode off with window eyes and with jaws the pc 
curser before i do this. or firefox will hang and speech will be lost until 
firefox comes back. that if it does at all. grin
but if you press control i it will open the bookmark list and it will stay 
opened until you close it again with control i.
you can edit,move or delete bookmarks you don't want anymore just by 
highlighting them and press the delete key.

also in this list you can search for bookmarks in the search box.
one thing i do when i save bookmarks i give them my own description  at the 
begginning of the line before i save them. like clothes, cd, blind product etc. 
this makes it a little easier to find the bookmarks you want.


-Original Message- 
From: Cristóbal

Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Trying to figure out Firefox bookmarks

Hello list,

Screen reader issues with the coming Firefox 57 aside, I know some add-ons
are going to stop working regardless when these pending problems are
resolved.

For years, I�ve been using the PlainOldFavorites extension and while I
haven�t actually used IE in forever, I�ve always liked IE�s favorites layout
simplicity

In any event, I�ve recently been trying to work with Firefox bookmarks and
am dealing with a frustrating issue. There appear to be some bookmarks that
no matter how much I try to delete/get rid of them, they�re still showing up
in my bookmarks menu. This is making jumping to a bookmark by the first
letter tedious and much longer than when working in IE�s favorites layout.
They seem to be showing up right after the most recent bookmarked option. Be
it deleted folders or unsorted bookmarks.

Was just wondering if I�m missing something on how to better sort the
Firefox bookmarks menu or if this is just going to be a part of dealing with
this feature? I do already have bookmarks set to sort by name.

Using the latest JFW 2018 recently released and am on Firefox 56.X. I�ve
already disabled the automatic update in Firefox and will only update once
the noted screen reader issues are finally resolved.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristobal



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Re: [JAWS-Users] messages going to the spam folder

[net bat66]

its already on no filtering.
but i didn't think about blocked senders. i'll check for this.

-Original Message- 
From: David Whitehead

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 12:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] messages going to the spam folder

hello;

try the following, it's been awhile since I've used windows live mail.

alt+f/o/s
here you land into the safety options page,

which box is checked.
you could probably use the first of 4.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 1:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] messages going to the spam folder

why do i have some users emails all going to my gmail spam folder with gmail

and wlm?
i do not have any spam filters and i heven went directly to the gmail web
mail
and told it that these messages are not spam and they still go to the spam
folder.
one poster is not useing the cc or bcc field  either.
with wlm all the messages in these fields go to spam.


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[JAWS-Users] messages going to the spam folder

[net bat66]

why do i have some users emails all going to my gmail spam folder with gmail 
and wlm?
i do not have any spam filters and i heven went directly to the gmail web mail 
and told it that these messages are not spam and they still go to the spam 
folder.

one poster is not useing the cc or bcc field  either.
with wlm all the messages in these fields go to spam. 



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[JAWS-Users] who is getting my messages?

[net bat66]

when you reply to your incomeing messages you have to delete the 
jaws-users.com<jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>; >; in the to list and copy and 
paste the email address from the  from field to the to field. then it will go 
to the original sendar instead of to the list.
in the case of the list shift control  r, which is to reply to all does not 
work for this list with wlm.
-Original Message- 
From: Ted Larson

Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 4:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Do I Have the Latest Version of Jaws Installed?

Thanks Net Bat.  I will check into these things.  By the way, is my
reply here just going to Net Bat, or, to the entire list?  Regards:  Ted
Larson


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Do I Have the Latest Version of Jaws Installed?

does it run in demo mode after the computer is rebooted?
look in the about menu to find out your current status would be in the 2018
version;.; does it say it is a beta?
see if the unlock code was transfered to the new version.
it may not realy be there in the about menu item.
maybe you can activate it with your unlock code manually.
i had 1 s m a left.
look in version 18 and it still shows i have one s m a left. in 2018 it says
zero.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Do I Have the Latest Version of Jaws Installed?

[net bat66]

does it run in demo mode after the computer is rebooted?
look in the about menu to find out your current status would be in the 2018 
version;.;

does it say it is a beta?
see if the unlock code was transfered to the new version.
it may not realy be there in the about menu item.
maybe you can activate it with your unlock code manually.
i had 1 s m a left.
look in version 18 and it still shows i have one s m a left. in 2018 it says 
zero.


-Original Message- 
From: Ted Larson

Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 8:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Do I Have the Latest Version of Jaws Installed?

First, thanks to Net bat for clarification showing there would be version 18
and version 2018 as icons on the desktop after updating to the latest
version of Jaws.  Now, version 2018 comes up at startup.  It said that the
authorization code was successful.  However, it seems to be in a forty
minute demo mode.  I have s m a s  remaining from window eyes.  What gives?
Thanks.  Regards:  Ted Larson
s

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of net bat66
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Do I Have the Latest Version of Jaws Installed?

there should be 2 jaws icons on your desktopp now v18 and v 2018.
but you have to load the setup wizard or what ever its called  while the
version you want to load and tell it to load automatically on boot up  on
the log on screen,for current user etc. then v18 or v2018 will be the
default jaws that will load.

-Original Message-
From: Ted Larson
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Do I Have the Latest Version of Jaws Installed?

Dear List:

I did the installation process for Jaws 2018.  Everything seemed to go well.
Then I went into Jaws Help and then went into About to find the version
number.  The version that it read out to me was 18.0.4321

Is this the correct number for the latest Jaws version?  Thanks.  Regards:
Ted Larson

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Do I Have the Latest Version of Jaws Installed?

[net bat66]

there should be 2 jaws icons on your desktopp now v18 and v 2018.
but you have to load the setup wizard or what ever its called  while the 
version you want to load and tell it to load automatically on boot up  on the 
log on screen,for current user etc. then v18 or v2018 will be the default jaws 
that will load.


-Original Message- 
From: Ted Larson

Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Do I Have the Latest Version of Jaws Installed?

Dear List:

I did the installation process for Jaws 2018.  Everything seemed to go well.
Then I went into Jaws Help and then went into About to find the version
number.  The version that it read out to me was 18.0.4321

Is this the correct number for the latest Jaws version?  Thanks.  Regards:
Ted Larson

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows7, 8, 10, safe boot, audio enabled for screenreader users.

[net bat66]

but would jaws work in safe mode without jaws video drivers loaded?
n v d a  and maybe narrator would probably work.

-Original Message- 
From: Hareth

Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 11:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows7, 8, 10, safe boot, audio enabled for 
screenreader users.


I don't have a reason to undo it, because it just enables sound card
on safe boot, I might need it again.
anyway you can create a registry backup before merging it, and apply
the restore after done with safe boot.

On 10/27/17, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

it is not a desktop program.
it merges with your windows registry.
but this zip file doesn't have any instructions.
i know how to merge it to the registry. but with hacks like this you usually

also need a registry merge to undo what this file does after you are through

doing what ever you need to do when in safe mode.


-Original Message-
From: Hareth
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows7, 8, 10, safe boot, audio enabled for
screenreader users.

Greetings, David and all,
This is for who needs it only, and advanced users.
If you don't know what it is, please do not apply without learning about
it.
Its a registry file if merged, would enable audio on many PC and
laptop sound card brands,
I've tested it successfully on connecsent, creative sound blaster
realtec and sigmatel sound cards.
I'd assume it works with many more brands.
That way screen readers work just fine to preform any task requires
save boot to be done,
as example  in some software removal, like avast antivirus in a lot of
cases requires that. and many more tasks.

Its been tested for bad code no negative signs found.
anyone with knowledge about registry can give it a look with notepad.
we hope FS add similar feature to jaws in the future, its important
for people like me working a lot on PC maintaining.
the link to the file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=1

Best

Hareth

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows7, 8, 10, safe boot, audio enabled for screenreader users.

[net bat66]

it is not a desktop program.
it merges with your windows registry.
but this zip file doesn't have any instructions.
i know how to merge it to the registry. but with hacks like this you usually 
also need a registry merge to undo what this file does after you are through 
doing what ever you need to do when in safe mode.



-Original Message- 
From: Hareth

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 9:39 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows7, 8, 10, safe boot, audio enabled for 
screenreader users.


Greetings, David and all,
This is for who needs it only, and advanced users.
If you don't know what it is, please do not apply without learning about it.
Its a registry file if merged, would enable audio on many PC and
laptop sound card brands,
I've tested it successfully on connecsent, creative sound blaster
realtec and sigmatel sound cards.
I'd assume it works with many more brands.
That way screen readers work just fine to preform any task requires
save boot to be done,
as example  in some software removal, like avast antivirus in a lot of
cases requires that. and many more tasks.

Its been tested for bad code no negative signs found.
anyone with knowledge about registry can give it a look with notepad.
we hope FS add similar feature to jaws in the future, its important
for people like me working a lot on PC maintaining.
the link to the file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=1

Best

Hareth

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[JAWS-Users] don't expect f/s help/Re: Problem trying to repair Jaws 18 before upgrading to V 2018

[net bat66]

don't expect any help from freedom scientific.
they always tell you to do a jaws repair or to reinstall.
they blame it on file coruption. not a problem with jaws itself.
i have sent vfo? 5 technical questions 3 weeks ago and got no response.
i know one person that called them about  the 2018 upgrade since he took the 
free window eyes to jaws migration upgrade and they hungup on hem.

anyway.
this is with the desktop layout.
i have the same problem. it works fine when jaws is first installed. then 
things change all on there own without me makeing any script changes.
it goes to bottom of file which both the jaws and pc virtual cursor on useing 
the number pad down arrow.
but i found out last night i can go down by line if i use control number pad 
down arrow instead.






-Original Message- 
From: Cristóbal

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 11:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Problem trying to repair Jaws 18 before upgrading to V 
2018


Hello list,

So, I�ve been dealing with this issue since Jaws 18 was put out on 9/26/17.
Along with the Outlook address thing that later got fixed, I was having
trouble when replying or forwarding message in Outlook. Arrowing down was
not possible. Jaws would behave as though I was at the bottom of the screen.
Even if I arrowed up once and then tried going back down to the line I was
previously at, I�d encounter that same barrier. Navigating the message body
of text with the read by paragraph or sentence commands, Jaws worked as
always. It was just the read/navigate by line that was giving me problems.

VFO tech support emailed me instructing that I should try doing a Jaws
repair. Do the copy path from my JFW .exe file and add the / type repair at
the end in the run dialog box.

As I saw that Jaws 2018 came out today, I figured I�d try to get this
resolved. I for one reason or another hadn�t had the chance to go through
with the repair, but figured I should try addressing it before upgrading to
JFW 2018.

In any event, I went through the repair process earlier today and along with
all the other typical Jaws chatter when doing an installation (I was using a
JFW.exe file from October that addressed the Outlook issue), I heard Jaws
say something about a sentinel system driver not being copied. By the end of
the process I then got the following error message:

The JAWS setup package could not install the required component

JAWSRepair.  The process will now exit.

OK

I already wrote VFO back about this, but as it�s Jaws 2018 release day, I
don�t expect a follow up any time soon as I�m sure they�ll be dealing with
all sorts of stuff related to that.

Anyone have an idea on what this is or how to fix it?

Thanks,

Cristobal

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Vocaliser express 2 Neel speech rate is not getting faster

[net bat66]

have you tried another vocalizer expressive voice?
maybe the one you have can not be changed. but i don't know why.
i use the tom high quality voice.
samantha susan. and i can change there voices on the fly.

-Original Message- 
From: Mohib Anwar Rafay

Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Vocaliser express 2 Neel speech rate is not getting
faster

Yes I am increasing the speech rate of all context menues, still no
effect. I have also tried this key combination of control, alt and
pageup, though it announces "faster" "faster", but speech rate remains
the same.

On 10/25/17, net bat66 <netba...@gmail.com> wrote:

this is with a desktop. i don't know the keys for a laptop.
use the extended page up and down keys.
control alt page up or down
or control windows  alt page up or down.
don't know which to use. one is for a tempory change. the other is for a
permanent change.

-Original Message-
From: Mohib Anwar Rafay
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Vocaliser express 2 Neel speech rate is not getting
faster

I am using jaws 18 and vocalizer express 2 Neel high premium voice for
reading hindi language. But its default speech rate is quite slow,
though I am increasing its rate, but it has no effect. It is reading
with its own default speed. Is there any possible way round to fix it?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Vocaliser express 2 Neel speech rate is not getting faster

[net bat66]

this is with a desktop. i don't know the keys for a laptop.
use the extended page up and down keys.
control alt page up or down
or control windows  alt page up or down.
don't know which to use. one is for a tempory change. the other is for a 
permanent change.


-Original Message- 
From: Mohib Anwar Rafay

Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 10:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Vocaliser express 2 Neel speech rate is not getting 
faster


I am using jaws 18 and vocalizer express 2 Neel high premium voice for
reading hindi language. But its default speech rate is quite slow,
though I am increasing its rate, but it has no effect. It is reading
with its own default speed. Is there any possible way round to fix it?

--
Mohib Anwar Rafay

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Re: [JAWS-Users] e-mail programs

[net bat66]

try doing a wlm repair.
go to programs and features and start an uninstall of the ms essentuals then it 
will give you the option to uninstall each program you installed

or do a repair.

-Original Message- 
From: Keith Dovenspike

Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 1:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] e-mail programs

Hi,



I've been having a lot of trouble with e-mail programs. I use to use Eudora, 
but it no longer works; I've been trying to use Windows Live Mail, but about 20 
percent of the time it will not let me open an e-nail with the message, "A 
problem occured while trying to open this message. A problem has occured. 
Please try again."




I have tried to download Thunderbird, but have been unsuccessful installing it. 
Years ago, I downloaded Thunderbird, and it installed like other programs and 
it worked.




I Think that Outlook is too expensive, especially since I have to buy a copy 
for all three of my machines.




Any help will be greatly appreciated.



Keith


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Close side bar in FF

[net bat66]

if this is the bookmark list you can also use control i to open or close the 
bookmark list.; and it will stay opened until you manually close it.


-Original Message- 
From: Fernando Gregoire

Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 1:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Close side bar in FF

Try closing the Side Bar from the View menu (ALT+V).

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Nathaniel Kile

Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 3:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Close side bar in FF

On one of my computers I am continually getting kicked out of the main web page 
into a side bar and I have to tab to the close side bar button. Has anyone else 
experienced this?


Thanks



Nate Kile,

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Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Unwanted spoken checks

[net bat66]

for me its a windows setting in the folder options.
open the my computer icon then open the pull down menu with alt. go to tools 
then folder options. go to the view tab. then arrow down to use check boxes to 
select items and uncheck it. its near the bottom of the options list.

then click on ok to save the change.

-Original Message- 
From: Arianna Calesso

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 8:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] ***SPAM*** Unwanted spoken checks

I'm using Windows 7 and JAWS 18.  I have a laptop that says check whenever I
move the cursor to an icon.  How can I stop this?

Arianna
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Re: [JAWS-Users] external hard drive is dead

[net bat66]

that is not all that is involved.
it depends on what failed. if its a failed interface card in the external case 
they would just put the drive in another case and send it back.

or use software to try to copy the data to another drive.
anything else requires the use of a clean room environment
they would have to take the drive appart.
if its the drive interface they would try to use another interface card on the 
old drive to see if they could retrieve the data and copy it to a new drive.
if the drive motor is bad they would have to  remove the drive platters, 
install them into another drive of the same model and try to retrieve the data 
this way with software.
thats why they charge so much. and if they were to have to install a new drive 
for you in your computer it would cost even more.
even then you may not get all of your files back. chances are you would still 
have to re install jaws and all your other programs to get everything back the 
way it was.


-Original Message- 
From: Randy Barnett

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] external hard drive is dead

what a scam! 600 dollars to run a software prggram to get the data lost
because their drive failed?
On 10/19/2017 12:43 PM, Lenny McHugh wrote:

Thanks for all of the suggestions. It is not worth the $599 to have the data
recovered. I tried a few programs and I do not have enough space on my
computers to try and recover the data. I located a partition recovery
program that can not locate any partition. I ran a few scan programs that
ran for about 8 hours and did not detect anything. I gave up and decided
just to reformat the drive and get errors. I called Seagate and the tech
linked into my computer to do the reformat for me. He received the same
errors so a new drive is on the way. I have a $11.95 charge. This covers
shipping both ways. I have 25 days to return the dead drive. He explained
how they make sure that any data on my drive is totally destroyed. I should
have it in 3 to 5 days for a few dollars more I could have it in 2 days.


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[JAWS-Users] virtual jaws down arrow with windows 7

[net bat66]

is there a setting to change so i don't have to reset jaws 18?
when i switch to the jaws virtual cursor and try to arrow down one line from 
the down arrow on the number pad it always goes to the bottom of file instead 
of down to the next line.

it works on windows 10 that i just installed. but not with windows 7.
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