Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
I have used RimuHosting for a while and I have been very pleased with their service. Everyone that I know that uses them has also been pleased. Randy On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Chad Woolley wrote: RimuHosting got back to me. They will waive the setup fee and give us a 10% discount, which works out to $18/month for a linux VPS with full root access and choice of distro, 96MB ram and 4 gig of disk: http://rimuhosting.com/order/startorder.jsp These guys have great support too, they are very helpful plus have a bliki with lots of specific HOWTOs on setting stuff up: http://bliki.rimuhosting.com/space/start If anyone knows of a better deal that gives full root access, pipe up. Lets get this moving... P.S. As for hosting it on SourceForge as was suggested, I'd personally rather have it hosted on something we have control over - with a wiki, and with subversion, and anything else we think up. On 1/30/06, Tim Colson (tcolson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been the time and coordination that has been difficult. Ex. Hardware. Stable OS. Access to the box. Setup of Java SDK. Setup of - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Tim Colson ((tcolson)) wrote: Duffy wrote: 1) ask Warner to add 'tomcat/bin/catalin.sh start' to /etc/rc.local, or start and stop scripts to the /etc/rc*.d directories, and Thanks Duffy. I know what would need to be setup for start/stop scripts...but there are other considerations too , like starting as root so it could attach to port 80. Better still of course would be to setup startup scripts and mod_jk connector to Apache (I've got all the configs from the corporate setup.) Yeah, getting it setup with mod_jk would be great. We do have a sysadmin who setup the mysql for us, whom I trust not to screw up the rest of my setup if we have a list of things, but unless andy can donate his time again it will take some moola. 2) make sure hsqldb is configured to write data to disk (it does in-memory only if configured specifically NOT to write to disk) Yeah, the default is writing out data into the confluence_home/ database dir. Otherwise, I know there was an attempt to configure MySQL on that machine. If someone wants to install it (is the distro .deb or .rpm capable?) I can figure out how to init the Confluence tables given an appropriate login. MySQL is on the box, but I believe it's 4.0 -- which I personally had many issues with that went away with 4.1. Nope, it's 4.1.14. Confluence table init is automagic -- so long as there is a datasource setup with a uid/pass, Confluence can take it from there after a bit of change to the config file. The tricky bit really is getting folks to actually volunteer and coordinate with the fact that this is still a production box for Warner... really don't want to blow stuff up. ;-) Thanks :-). -warner -Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
The tricky bit really is getting folks to actually volunteer and coordinate with the fact that this is still a production box for Warner... really don't want to blow stuff up. ;-) Hey, what's wrong with blowing stuff up!? ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
One way to mitigate this risk is to put the entire /var and /etc trees under source control, as well as anything else people might screw up ;) See: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/01/06/svn_homedir.html and http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5976 On 1/31/06, Duffy Gillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tricky bit really is getting folks to actually volunteer and coordinate with the fact that this is still a production box for Warner... really don't want to blow stuff up. ;-) Hey, what's wrong with blowing stuff up!? ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
I woke up on the pessimistic side of the bed today... so I apologize if this sounds curt... but here goes... ;-) I obtained free non-profit licenses for Atlassian.com's Confluence, Jira and JiveSoftware Forums...oh, about 18 months ago. It's taken this long just to get enough time and coordination to get Confluence running. (And it's only barely installed, running standalone using HSQLDB in a user-account and won't survive machine reboots.) I think it'd be overly optimistic to think Trac will magically appear on the tjug machine. ;-) FYI -- Confluence integrates with Jira (issue tracker) and Jira can integrate with SVN http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRAEXT/JIRA+Subversion+plugin Anyway -- I posted the notes I took and opened up the Confluence install to anonymous users to view: http://www.tucson-jug.org:8080/display/TJUG/Jan+2006+Meeting+Notes Cheers, Tim -Original Message- From: Chad Woolley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 11:54 PM To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout Is this a wiki that it integrated with an SCM, similar to Trac (http://www.edgewall.com/trac/)? I think that would be more appropriate for a small, code-centric project such as this. I looked for about 1 minute to see if Confluence appears to have any SCM integration, but I didn't see it here: http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/features/integration.jsp I'd vote for setting up a Trac site and SVN repo dedicated to this shootout activity and use subversion, if only because Trac and subversion are really cool and good to know. Also, how about those meeting minutes from the last meeting? There was definitely some important discussion regarding the future of the group that should be shared on the list. Can we just publish them in their raw glory, or with just some minimal expletive censoring? -- Chad On 1/27/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once I get the wiki setup (sorry, should have it done this weekend), we can do it there. -warner On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Chad Woolley wrote: Sounds interesting. Is there some confluence/trac/scm/wiki-ish sort of thing that is set up so we could do all the specs and coding publicly (or with visibility to all jug members)? -- Chad On 1/26/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I know that we've talked about this before, but I really would like to make this one a reality as I just think it's a lot of fun. Here's what I'm thinking about: 1) Define something with a little spice to it to accomplish - say connect to a db through a command-line application, retrieve a set of data, allow the user to select a record and return just that record. 2) Any scripting language is fair game (perl, ruby, python, jython, beanshell, groovy, etc.) 3) briefly go through the code to show what's involved with each one 4) Speed tests! (I think we'll need judges on this one!) We have plenty of presenters lined up for a while (I believe) so we can line up anyone who's interested in participating in this and plan it for a future preso. Whose interested? (I'll take Groovy and maybe Ruby if noone else does). -warner --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
Sorry Confluence is hard to set up. Trac is pretty easy to set up, and can use SQLite db (single file repo) which is really easy to set up too. The nice thing about trac's subversion integration is the timeline and wikiword references to artifacts and revisions, as well as repository browsing. Those would be interesting and useful for a project where you are reviewing, comparing, and commenting on other peoples code. I don't think Jira does that. As far as the user-mode account that won't survive reboots, that doesn't sound too good. Seems like we really need to find some other box to host our stuff rather than Warner's, where we can have full access (or at least have sudo to manage the startup and web server). As you duly noted in the notes, RimuHosting gives a full root access VPN for $20/month. I'll fire off a note to them now to see if they will give us a deal... -- Chad On 1/30/06, Tim Colson (tcolson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I woke up on the pessimistic side of the bed today... so I apologize if this sounds curt... but here goes... ;-) I obtained free non-profit licenses for Atlassian.com's Confluence, Jira and JiveSoftware Forums...oh, about 18 months ago. It's taken this long just to get enough time and coordination to get Confluence running. (And it's only barely installed, running standalone using HSQLDB in a user-account and won't survive machine reboots.) I think it'd be overly optimistic to think Trac will magically appear on the tjug machine. ;-) FYI -- Confluence integrates with Jira (issue tracker) and Jira can integrate with SVN http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRAEXT/JIRA+Subversion+plugin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
On 1/30/06, Tim Colson (tcolson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (And it's only barely installed, running standalone using HSQLDB in a user-account and won't survive machine reboots.) On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Chad Woolley wrote: As far as the user-mode account that won't survive reboots, that doesn't sound too good. Moving things makes sense if other resources are available, but the won't survive machine reboots thing can be addressed in two simple steps: 1) ask Warner to add 'tomcat/bin/catalin.sh start' to /etc/rc.local, or start and stop scripts to the /etc/rc*.d directories, and 2) make sure hsqldb is configured to write data to disk (it does in-memory only if configured specifically NOT to write to disk) http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net/web/hsqlDocsFrame.html Otherwise, I know there was an attempt to configure MySQL on that machine. If someone wants to install it (is the distro .deb or .rpm capable?) I can figure out how to init the Confluence tables given an appropriate login. -D --- This email inspected and found terrist free -- Domestic Communication Inspector W - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
... which works out to $18/month for a linux VPS with full root access and choice of distro, 96MB ram and 4 gig of disk That's not so bad... I won't let my preference for 'benevolently donated by Warner' stand in the way of anyone's pursuit of a quick turnaround and beaucoup support. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
Duffy wrote: 1) ask Warner to add 'tomcat/bin/catalin.sh start' to /etc/rc.local, or start and stop scripts to the /etc/rc*.d directories, and Thanks Duffy. I know what would need to be setup for start/stop scripts...but there are other considerations too , like starting as root so it could attach to port 80. Better still of course would be to setup startup scripts and mod_jk connector to Apache (I've got all the configs from the corporate setup.) 2) make sure hsqldb is configured to write data to disk (it does in-memory only if configured specifically NOT to write to disk) Yeah, the default is writing out data into the confluence_home/database dir. Otherwise, I know there was an attempt to configure MySQL on that machine. If someone wants to install it (is the distro .deb or .rpm capable?) I can figure out how to init the Confluence tables given an appropriate login. MySQL is on the box, but I believe it's 4.0 -- which I personally had many issues with that went away with 4.1. Confluence table init is automagic -- so long as there is a datasource setup with a uid/pass, Confluence can take it from there after a bit of change to the config file. The tricky bit really is getting folks to actually volunteer and coordinate with the fact that this is still a production box for Warner... really don't want to blow stuff up. ;-) -Timo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
Is this a wiki that it integrated with an SCM, similar to Trac (http://www.edgewall.com/trac/)? I think that would be more appropriate for a small, code-centric project such as this. I looked for about 1 minute to see if Confluence appears to have any SCM integration, but I didn't see it here: http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/features/integration.jsp I'd vote for setting up a Trac site and SVN repo dedicated to this shootout activity and use subversion, if only because Trac and subversion are really cool and good to know. Also, how about those meeting minutes from the last meeting? There was definitely some important discussion regarding the future of the group that should be shared on the list. Can we just publish them in their raw glory, or with just some minimal expletive censoring? -- Chad On 1/27/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once I get the wiki setup (sorry, should have it done this weekend), we can do it there. -warner On Jan 27, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Chad Woolley wrote: Sounds interesting. Is there some confluence/trac/scm/wiki-ish sort of thing that is set up so we could do all the specs and coding publicly (or with visibility to all jug members)? -- Chad On 1/26/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I know that we've talked about this before, but I really would like to make this one a reality as I just think it's a lot of fun. Here's what I'm thinking about: 1) Define something with a little spice to it to accomplish - say connect to a db through a command-line application, retrieve a set of data, allow the user to select a record and return just that record. 2) Any scripting language is fair game (perl, ruby, python, jython, beanshell, groovy, etc.) 3) briefly go through the code to show what's involved with each one 4) Speed tests! (I think we'll need judges on this one!) We have plenty of presenters lined up for a while (I believe) so we can line up anyone who's interested in participating in this and plan it for a future preso. Whose interested? (I'll take Groovy and maybe Ruby if noone else does). -warner - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
Sounds interesting. Is there some confluence/trac/scm/wiki-ish sort of thing that is set up so we could do all the specs and coding publicly (or with visibility to all jug members)? -- Chad On 1/26/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I know that we've talked about this before, but I really would like to make this one a reality as I just think it's a lot of fun. Here's what I'm thinking about: 1) Define something with a little spice to it to accomplish - say connect to a db through a command-line application, retrieve a set of data, allow the user to select a record and return just that record. 2) Any scripting language is fair game (perl, ruby, python, jython, beanshell, groovy, etc.) 3) briefly go through the code to show what's involved with each one 4) Speed tests! (I think we'll need judges on this one!) We have plenty of presenters lined up for a while (I believe) so we can line up anyone who's interested in participating in this and plan it for a future preso. Whose interested? (I'll take Groovy and maybe Ruby if noone else does). -warner - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.sourceforge.net --- Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds interesting. Is there some confluence/trac/scm/wiki-ish sort of thing that is set up so we could do all the specs and coding publicly (or with visibility to all jug members)? -- Chad On 1/26/06, Warner Onstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I know that we've talked about this before, but I really would like to make this one a reality as I just think it's a lot of fun. Here's what I'm thinking about: 1) Define something with a little spice to it to accomplish - say connect to a db through a command-line application, retrieve a set of data, allow the user to select a record and return just that record. 2) Any scripting language is fair game (perl, ruby, python, jython, beanshell, groovy, etc.) 3) briefly go through the code to show what's involved with each one 4) Speed tests! (I think we'll need judges on this one!) We have plenty of presenters lined up for a while (I believe) so we can line up anyone who's interested in participating in this and plan it for a future preso. Whose interested? (I'll take Groovy and maybe Ruby if noone else does). -warner - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[jug-discussion] scripting language shootout
Ok, I know that we've talked about this before, but I really would like to make this one a reality as I just think it's a lot of fun. Here's what I'm thinking about: 1) Define something with a little spice to it to accomplish - say connect to a db through a command-line application, retrieve a set of data, allow the user to select a record and return just that record. 2) Any scripting language is fair game (perl, ruby, python, jython, beanshell, groovy, etc.) 3) briefly go through the code to show what's involved with each one 4) Speed tests! (I think we'll need judges on this one!) We have plenty of presenters lined up for a while (I believe) so we can line up anyone who's interested in participating in this and plan it for a future preso. Whose interested? (I'll take Groovy and maybe Ruby if noone else does). -warner - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
