Re: using gitlab ultimate

2023-08-02 Thread Eike Hein
We've been offered free Ultimate in the past, but decided it's better to bargain together with others in the community (e.g. Gnome) for a better-featured free software version. I still think that's a good use of our collective sway. Eike

Announcing KDE e.V.'s two new contractors to work on KDE's technical documentation

2021-06-02 Thread Eike Hein
Hi everyone, Some time ago, KDE e.V. decided to contract work to help the KDE community with its efforts to maintain and improve KDE's technical documentation, broadly similar to how KDE e.V. also contracts work within the KDE Promo community already. Juan Carlos Torres was hired to set the sta

Re: All About the Apps Goal

2021-04-25 Thread Eike Hein
some time thinking about it and preparing themselves for the discussion and (b) doesn't welcome it when it comes. Best regards, Eike Hein - KDE e.V. vice president, treasurer

MBition is hiring Linux desktop/Wayland expertize

2021-03-30 Thread Eike Hein
t the job listing on our website: https://mbition.io/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=full_job_ad_page&sgjobid=9575277 If you have any questions about the position or the company, please feel free to get in touch. Cheers, Eike Hein - Principal System Architect, MBition GmbH PS.: I'm

Re: RMS and open letter

2021-03-23 Thread Eike Hein
rrent.pdf Best regards, Eike Hein - KDE e.V. vice president, treasurer

Re: Formal request to set up a KDE Discourse instance

2021-02-23 Thread Eike Hein
Hey, This all sounds much too confrontational :-). Come on everyone, we can do this much better. Ben, I don't think Nate's request implies prioritization. For folks outside a particular team it can be difficult to follow what the team has on their plate at the moment; you probably also wouldn'

Re: Fundraising in KDE

2020-09-23 Thread Eike Hein
statements in our annual reports[0] or to reach out to me directly. 0 = https://ev.kde.org/reports/ev-2019/ Cheers, Eike Hein - KDE e.V. Vice President, Treasurer

Open Source Firmware Conference 2020

2020-09-10 Thread Eike Hein
Hi everyone, As announced during the board report at Akademy, one of the board's goals for 2020 is to support an open source-friendly hardware ecosystem, spurned by the KDE community's successful foray into more hardware partnerships over recent years. In this context, we'd like to point out to

Re: Qt, Open Source and corona

2020-04-09 Thread Eike Hein
ong run. > > Again since I wouldn’t be pulling the load this should be treated as “random > dude talking”. > > Sent from Phone, hence short mail > >> On 9 Apr 2020, at 16:27, Eike Hein wrote: >> >>> Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwat

Re: Qt, Open Source and corona

2020-04-09 Thread Eike Hein
> Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. This is very true. The KFQF with all representatives remains actively working on the issues with the same mission state- ment, too. Cheers, Eike - KDE e.V. Vice President

Re: Qt, Open Source and corona

2020-04-08 Thread Eike Hein
thers will continue to do what we do best - work closely together in the open for the benefit of Qt and its users. That is to say to others -- Qt Open Governance has been a collaborative and coordinated effort with close communication and will continue to be. Best regards, Eike Hein - KDE e.V. Vice

Re: Qt, Open Source and corona

2020-04-08 Thread Eike Hein
Even in the best of times, it's always a good idea for stakeholders in the open Qt ecosystem to maintain open lines of communication. The KDE e.V. board can be reached at kde-ev-bo...@kde.org and is happy to receive meeting inquiries. Best regards, Eike Hein - KDE e.V. Vice President

Re: Qt, Open Source and corona

2020-04-08 Thread Eike Hein
to navigate this complex situation together. We've had opportunities to be invited to some of the KFQF meetings and participate directly, which we would like to thank the entire KFQF for. The update reflects our shared view on the subject. Best regards, Eike Hein - KDE e.V. Vice Pres

Re: List of available sprint venues for 2020 and beyond

2020-01-05 Thread Eike Hein
rs, Eike On January 4, 2020 6:06:50 PM GMT+01:00, Nate Graham wrote: >Could this large venue suffice for Akademy? > >Nate > > >On 1/4/20 7:01 AM, Eike Hein wrote: >> Dear community, >> >> Happy new year! >> >> Recently, we've gotten approache

List of available sprint venues for 2020 and beyond

2020-01-04 Thread Eike Hein
Dear community, Happy new year! Recently, we've gotten approached a few times with offers of venues for KDE events/sprints. One such case was the MBition office, which resulted in the recent Frameworks 6 sprint held there. Another is the foss-north 2020 Community Day, which Adriaan sent an ema

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Eike Hein
a. I am >personally not against reading a cycling trip in Europe (just an >example >from the past) which is not so divisive as politics and Brexit in >particular. > >On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:36 PM Eike Hein wrote: > >> If and when the Planet becomes majority political conten

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Eike Hein
y made >a >suggestion: simply create a category for it and allow to filter, as we >already >allow to filter by language. > >Kind regards, > >Christian > >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:36:36 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >> If and when the Planet becomes major

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Eike Hein
's not prolong it until you come up with something. Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that >doesn&#

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Eike Hein
But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't currently exist. Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli wrote: >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on planet >would >post as many articles on politics as e.

Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed

2019-12-05 Thread Eike Hein
Hi, Let's remember we had this debate before and it lead to the rules in the "Add Your Blog" popup, under which this blog post is currently fine. If you want the rules changed you need to make a good case for why the situation is different and warrants reevaluation, otherwise you're tilting at

Re: Issues with the issue tracking system

2019-11-04 Thread Eike Hein
problems and feigning concern. This strikes me as agitated and emotional at best, and destructive and immature behavior at worst. This is not the venue for mudslinging of this kind, and if you want to have a productive discussion of your topic you should own up and apologize for it before en

Re: Invent/gitlab, issues and bugzilla

2019-07-04 Thread Eike Hein
I think this discussion has sort of strayed, if understandably so. Maybe this helps: - A lot of projects currently use Phabricator tasks and rely on them heavily. - The GitLab equivalent are Issues. - We're trying to replace Phabricator with GitLab. - If Issues are disabled, we can't import the P

Re: Anonymous contributions

2019-04-11 Thread Eike Hein
I'm a bit conflicted about this. Random drive-by patches are one thing, but when I engage with new contributors, my hope is they'll be coming back and walk a path to a dev account and a long-term commitment to the KDE developer community. To me, the KDE developer community is one built on t

Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure

2019-03-18 Thread Eike Hein
On 3/18/19 6:38 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: I'm sure people are working hard on fixing things up, but right now webchat.kde.org just does not work. If I look in at the Krita channel on webchat.kde.org, the last message is from 23:01 yesterday. The Matrix folks told us they're working with f

Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure

2019-02-28 Thread Eike Hein
Hi, of course "being insulted" is very much in the eye of the beholder. I'm very tired of this accusation being thrown around, so let's do real talk and summarize the situation according to my best knowledge of events: Jonathan Riddell sold KDE mechandising (t-shirts) at FOSDEM to attendees. He

Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "

2019-02-23 Thread Eike Hein
On 2/21/19 6:59 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: Do you know how I can do that? I have no idea myself... 1. Log into Matrix, join #krita:kde.org 2. Log into your freenode nickserv account from Matrix - upon doing #1 you'll have gotten an automatic private chat called "Freenode Bridge Status" wit

Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure

2019-02-23 Thread Eike Hein
On 2/21/19 8:46 PM, Filipe Saraiva wrote: 2. What are the reasons to use a server owned by a company, not by us? I don't want to start a flamewar, just know the reasons and motivations. Hosting a Matrix server currently requires a quite beefy box, and is also somewhat maintenance-intensive.

Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "

2019-02-22 Thread Eike Hein
Hi, the e.V. board will definitely discuss this issue as well in this week's call, to put some thought into the legal side vis-a-vis GDPR compliance. I think the community will here is clear and non-controversial, we collectively just need to think about how to do it properly. We'll report

Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "

2019-02-20 Thread Eike Hein
On 2/21/19 6:56 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: * Matrix now logs #krita on freenode (well, it has been doing so for quite some time, since the first bridge user appeared) * We have always tried to make sure #krita has no permanent logs; we don't want that. It's possible in the channel setting

Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "

2019-02-20 Thread Eike Hein
On 2/20/19 7:14 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: Maybe the text could be changed to "You're over 16 or have parental permission" ? Matthew @ Matrix says since it's our own server the legal responsibility can pass on to us, and it's possible to set any age threshold we want. So we can do it; it

Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "

2019-02-20 Thread Eike Hein
On 2/20/19 7:04 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: There's the https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/consent?h=6fc7fefb99181b28ffdf2be32225ead05a8cd6c148da23482edbcc4b08ce7ddd&u=boud page you need to agree to before one can join. And it asks people to confirm that they're older than 16. Why do we have th

Re: Shutdown of paste.kde.org

2019-02-03 Thread Eike Hein
Maybe we could do a static mirror and keep it up read-only? Cheers, Eike On February 3, 2019 6:29:49 PM GMT+09:00, Kenny Duffus wrote: >On Sunday, 3 February 2019 09:25:32 GMT Kenny Duffus wrote: >> On Saturday, 2 February 2019 19:45:40 GMT Ben Cooksley wrote: >> > We'll be shutting this servic

Re: Discourse

2018-10-30 Thread Eike Hein
On 10/29/18 1:31 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > More coverage on last week's LWN > https://lwn.net/Articles/768483/ > > Discussing it in person it was pointed out that we do already use > Phabricator Workboards for much discussion and it might well overlap > there, although I don't think that wo

Qt World Summit 2018

2018-09-04 Thread Eike Hein
Hi, Qt World Summit 2018 is coming soon - this year it'll be a smaller-scale, single-day event. Again in the bcc in Berlin, on December 6th. Last year we managed to significantly raise the bar of KDE's presence at the event, with a coordinated visual theme backed by assets such as crew shirts,

Re: Improving our integration with KDE application teams, and supporting companies

2018-08-16 Thread Eike Hein
On 8/11/18 7:34 PM, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > Am I the only one who thinks of our future in this way? A most hearty no! > Valorie Cheers, Eike

Re: Twitter access

2018-07-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 07/19/2018 09:25 PM, Jonathan Riddell wrote: > As I say I am aware of the process and the need for restrictions. But > I have access to KDE social media and have done since we started > having any. But for some reason I am being blocked from this one > account. Nobody has yet said who by o

Re: Twitter access

2018-07-19 Thread Eike Hein
Hi, I agree the "unnamed" and not having good docs (hello again, topic) on this is bad. There's a long history of the web presence being treated in a special way, though. Even in the good old CVS/SVN days, you needed a special permission bit to be able to commit to www/ doled out by sysadmin vi

Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

2018-03-09 Thread Eike Hein
Hi Boud, I think the main missing context here is that this email doesn't mean this is the only thing we are considering spending resources on, nor does it indicate priority. We've collected a lot of ideas from all over the community and are analyzing them and investigating them. In the case o

Plasma sprint in Berlin, Germany: April 21st-27th 2018

2018-02-15 Thread Eike Hein
Hi, I'm happy to announce we're going to have another Plasma sprint in a few months, from April 21st to April 27th in Berlin, Germany. Join the sprint to make all things Plasma even better in an intense-but-fun week of planning, designing and hacking! The sprint will be held at the offices of E

Re: Input on privacy goal

2018-01-22 Thread Eike Hein
I'm planning to continue my work to modernize the user interface of Konversation and adding Matrix support. Based on the IM Survey we did recently spearheaded by Thomas Pfeiffer, we know the community has a problem with the increasing fragmentation and migration of KDE's comm channels to propriet

KDE at Qt World Summit (QtWS) 2017 final update: Info pad

2017-10-05 Thread Eike Hein
help the video crew, etc.) Team Kit * Crew shirt - please wear whenever doing KDE duties (booth, room) * Name tag - affix to shirt Team Communication Telegram group: https://telegram.me/joinchat/Azsz2AFTa7HE0h8CLPzFpQ Team Coordinator Eike Hein IRC: Sho_ Telegram: @eikehein Phone: +821028995948 Back

QtWS'17 Update

2017-09-11 Thread Eike Hein
Hi, time for another round of updates on the status of our prep work for QtWS'17. (a) Team status I sent out a mail with the registration codes for free tickets and a few questions on August 29th. As a result we now have 10 people who have committed to attending and are registered! Thank you!

Re: Survey for prioritization of requirements for an IM/chat solution for KDE

2017-09-05 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/05/2017 08:15 AM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Here are the results of the survey: > https://sessellift.wordpress.com/2017/09/05/results-of-the-requirements-survey-for-a-kde-wide-chat-solution/ > Now it's time for us to find a solution that fits the profile! Here's some thoughts from the Konve

Re: Survey for prioritization of requirements for an IM/chat solution for KDE

2017-09-04 Thread Eike Hein
On September 5, 2017 8:15:47 AM GMT+09:00, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: >Here are the results of the survey: >https://sessellift.wordpress.com/2017/09/05/results-of-the-requirements-survey-for-a-kde-wide-chat-solution/ >Now it's time for us to find a solution that fits the profile! >Cheers, >Thomas Hi

Re: QtWS 2017 update: team rally call; asset prep; Telegram group

2017-08-26 Thread Eike Hein
On 08/25/2017 05:05 PM, Clemens Toennies wrote: > Hi, > > I know I'm late, but if it's of interest I could bring an Odroid C1+ ARM > board and ARM64 Pinebook with latest Plasma for demonstration purposes > at the booth. Not late at all! We still have several slots for people we can bring. If a

Re: QtWS 2017 update: team rally call; asset prep; Telegram group

2017-08-21 Thread Eike Hein
On 08/21/2017 06:13 PM, Paul Brown wrote: > We'll co-ordinate with Jens so that the content matches the format of the > flyer. Here's the Phab task used for coordination: https://phabricator.kde.org/T6840 Everyone interested in working on flyer/demo content or expecting to do booth duty and n

Re: KDE at Qt World Summit 2017 - let's make it the best yet!

2017-08-21 Thread Eike Hein
Heya, Paul opened a Phab task on the KDE Promo workboard which I think we can use to coordinate content: https://phabricator.kde.org/T6840 I've added a few people there and seeded the ticket with a recap of what I think we need to communicate to the audience at QtWS. If you're interested in wo

QtWS 2017 update: team rally call; asset prep; Telegram group

2017-08-21 Thread Eike Hein
Hi! I decided to start a new thread because no one reads monster threads :) Things to talk about: (1) QtWS KDE team Currently I have gotten responses from: * Eike (yes I talk to myself) * Helio * Rohan * Adriaan * Aleix * Sune * Mirko * Leinir * Boud * Bhushan * Scarlett That's 11 people, whi

Practical Goal: Modern and Global Text Input For Every User (Input Methods, Emoji, Touch)

2017-08-21 Thread Eike Hein
Hi everyone! Text input is the foundational means of human-computer interaction: We configure or systems, program them, and express ourselves through them by writing text. It's how our software is made, and it's how it's consumed. It's how users and developers connect with each other. Yet text in

Re: Conservative proposal: let's work with Kiwi IRC

2017-08-16 Thread Eike Hein
On August 16, 2017 6:58:35 PM GMT+09:00, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: >I want to note that I was intrigued by Eike's mail about a possible Qt >Quick -based Konversation reboot. I suggested I could try and gather >funding to get it to a releasable state, but he was hesitant because of > >the usual

Re: Proposal: Have the Community Set Ambitious Goals for Itself

2017-08-15 Thread Eike Hein
On 08/15/2017 07:47 AM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Mirko Boehm - KDE wrote: >> I have seen only agreement and support for the porposal. What would be the >> required steps to make an official announcement, and encourage people to >> participate? > > If I get at le

Re: Telemetry Policy

2017-08-14 Thread Eike Hein
On 08/14/2017 05:30 PM, Ivan Čukić wrote: > Hi all, > > While I do see the point behind 'off-by-default', I think it will ruin > the purpose since nobody will turn it on. > > I'd propose having it on by default (at least) for pre-releases. I'm not convinced. KDE publically runs on a platform o

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-11 Thread Eike Hein
On 08/12/2017 04:22 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2017, Boudhayan Gupta wrote: > >> Here's a radical proposal: why don't we just work towards improving the IRC >> protocol, make the protocol available over WebSockets, and try to push the >> whole thing as a W3C informational RFC? >

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-11 Thread Eike Hein
I've given some more thought to Matrix as a contender and I'm increasingly liking this option among the available contenders. The available Matrix clients are currently not quite as polished as their competition (specifically Slack/Discord), but Matrix does have their features in its scope, inclu

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Eike Hein
On August 11, 2017 4:22:04 AM GMT+09:00, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: >On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 20:38:11 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: >> Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 20:31:22 CEST schrieb Thomas >Pfeiffer: >> > On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 18:40:34 CEST Christian Loosli >wrote: >> > > Am Don

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

2017-08-10 Thread Eike Hein
On 08/09/2017 07:19 AM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Must-have: - dfaure is there so I can ask KIO questions (IRC fails that currently.) Cheers, Eike

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

2017-08-09 Thread Eike Hein
FWIW, I moderate a ~300k subscriber subreddit on the side, and that community substantially migrated away from Snoonet to Discord. I see that a lot on reddit now. Cheers, Eike -- Plasma, apps developer KDE e.V. vice president, treasurer Seoul, South Korea

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

2017-08-09 Thread Eike Hein
On August 9, 2017 9:10:15 PM GMT+09:00, Jos van den Oever wrote: >Op woensdag 9 augustus 2017 13:50:46 CEST schreef Harald Sitter: >> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Boudewijn Rempt >wrote: >> > On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: >> >> This is a new thread entirely, but incidentally a

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

2017-08-09 Thread Eike Hein
On August 9, 2017 4:28:49 PM GMT+09:00, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: >On Mittwoch, 9. August 2017 02:14:44 CEST Jonathan Frederickson wrote: >> On 08/08/2017 06:19 PM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: >> > - Support for a decent set of Emoji (not just the ones you can >create >> > using >> > ASCII chars). >> > U

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-08 Thread Eike Hein
FWIW, I didn't keep up with Matrix to well in recent times, but I remember having a look at it back when it made its first splash (the LWN article at all) and at the time I considered it the most promising-looking IRC replacement attempt yet. It had some of the traits of other attempts that faile

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-08 Thread Eike Hein
I guess as KDE's "IRC guy" (I maintain Konversation) I should chime in here. I like IRC. I regard IRC as important. I think without IRC none of the past 20 years of KDE would have happened, and the reasons for IRC being a successful technology for us and many others start with "chatting is nice"

KDE at Qt World Summit 2017 - let's make it the best yet!

2017-08-08 Thread Eike Hein
Hi everyone, Berlin, Germany will once again host a Qt World Summit this year, on October 10th through 12th. This follows on from the Qt Contributor Summit on October 9th and 10th. As in previous years, we want KDE To have a strong presence at this event, which draws much of the wider Qt communi

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-08 Thread Eike Hein
On 08/09/2017 01:16 AM, Luigi Toscano wrote:> We have an alternative already working, which bridges IRC (freenode.net and > OFTC): matrix.org. > I don't know how many times I should repeat this, but many people are already > using successfully (I monitor few channels, for example). > > So -1 fo

Re: Retirement of SVN Commitfilter and Legacy Get Hot New Stuff systems

2017-08-04 Thread Eike Hein
It's kind of a daft request maybe, but could you take some good screenshots of the system's screens before it's shut down and add it somewhere to your sysadmin docs? I think it's nice to create some institutional memory when we retire systems like this. The next time someone has to implement a co

Re: Changes to the bugzilla workflow: 2 proposals

2016-12-12 Thread Eike Hein
On 12/12/2016 07:27 PM, Elvis Angelaccio wrote: > On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Luigi Toscano > wrote: >> I would introduce an ASSIGNED state so that developers that want to mark that >> they have acknowledged it and they are going to work on it can do it. > > Don't we already have the ASSI

Re: Changes to the bugzilla workflow: 2 proposals

2016-12-12 Thread Eike Hein
On 12/12/2016 06:35 AM, Luigi Toscano wrote: > b) change back the initial state from UNCONFIRMED to NEW. > > This was the default until Bugzilla 3. But Many of our developers don't really > use the UNCONFIRMED->CONFIRMED transition and this confuses the users. > Moreover, NEW is still the initia

Re: Happy 20th Birthday, KDE!

2016-10-15 Thread Eike Hein
I'm proud of: * Collectively making tons of software that has real users. I consider my profession as an engineer to be a tool-maker who enables others; our line of operation is to build civilization and facilitate culture. Making and shipping software that people use is the most concrete way we

KDE's 20th Birthday in Seoul, Korea

2016-10-14 Thread Eike Hein
Some badly sorted (it's too late and we're tired!) impromptu impressions from our birthday get-together at the Han river! Event prep: http://imgur.com/a/zB5Tu Main event: http://imgur.com/a/1w7sg Cheers, Eike

Re: [kde-community] Does KDE attempt to attract experienced contributors?

2016-05-13 Thread Eike Hein
On 05/13/2016 07:06 PM, Laszlo Papp wrote: I apologise if I had not expressed myself correctly. I do mean working on some free software for money compared to working on KDE free software for free. So, free software does matter, yet you can get (potentially well-)paid in return elsewhere. So i

Re: [kde-community] Does KDE attempt to attract experienced contributors?

2016-05-13 Thread Eike Hein
On 05/13/2016 06:50 PM, Laszlo Papp wrote: I do not mean to drag KDE experts away, but it seems that freelancing platforms have become more and more common. Also, many hobby software projects have undergone some business path. These generally include lots of FOSS project opportunities these day

Re: [kde-community] [Kde-pim] A new home for Mozilla Thunderbird at KDE?

2016-04-27 Thread Eike Hein
On 04/27/2016 10:13 PM, Jos van den Oever wrote: Looking at the commit logs of Thunderbird, the programs certainly does not seem dead at all. Last month there were on average two commits per day by 18 authors. Have a look at the actual commit logs. There's a gap between December '15 and March

Re: [kde-community] [Kde-pim] A new home for Mozilla Thunderbird at KDE?

2016-04-27 Thread Eike Hein
On 04/27/2016 06:36 PM, Daniel Vrátil wrote: I like the idea of having Thunderbird in KDE. It shows that we are an open community and welcoming towards "outside" projects and of course it would be also a good PR for both sides. No, it wouldn't. The message wouldn't be "KDE community is open t

Re: [kde-community] A new home for Mozilla Thunderbird at KDE?

2016-04-26 Thread Eike Hein
On 04/27/2016 04:02 AM, Laszlo Papp wrote: I would even go further claiming that many (most?) KDE projects have never made it to that level, so for me, Thunderbird as a project is something to look upon even if it is currently having issues to be resolved. Yes yes, I get you're very eager to

Re: [kde-community] A new home for Mozilla Thunderbird at KDE?

2016-04-26 Thread Eike Hein
On 04/27/2016 03:20 AM, Laszlo Papp wrote: Given how respected, appreciated and well-used Thunderbird has been in my experience, including industrial environments (only dream for certain KDE subprojects?), I would suggest having a bit more good faith at this point. Such early conclusions have b

Re: [kde-community] A new home for Mozilla Thunderbird at KDE?

2016-04-26 Thread Eike Hein
On 04/27/2016 01:58 AM, Teo Mrnjavac wrote: This, so much. I see no reason not to expand our presence in different segments of the e-mail clients market, if Thunderbird wishes to join us. The more, the merrier. I'm not sure they're a good fit for us, unless they bring significant manpower/fun

Re: [kde-community] Write our own pull request bot?

2015-09-20 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/20/2015 02:26 PM, Loïc Grobol wrote: > Let's try not to be extreme. If someone was able to post a pull > request, they should be able to switch to Phab if they want to > participate when notified. Let's not be naive, either. People are lazy. That's been one of the arguments for enabling Gi

Re: [kde-community] Bikeshedding - our strength apparently *sigh*

2015-09-20 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/20/2015 01:31 PM, Anne Wilson wrote: > Hehe! Only on a KDE list could an exhortion to stop bikeshedding become > the latest bikeshed! The Debian community is currently having a bikeshed over whether to call a new community tool Bikeshed. We can't hope to compete. > Anne Cheers, Eike

Re: [kde-community] What is a GitHub pull request exactly?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 11:38 PM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: > I am feeling strong enough to trust people and integrate with the > outside world. > With any git storages that count in this world. And it's OK to have that opinion and voice it. The reason we are having a thread is because our individual opinio

Re: [kde-community] What is a GitHub pull request exactly?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 10:32 PM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > I don't see there this github review is coming from. Review is an interactive process where you ask for changes and iterate. Once you open the door to doing it on GitHub, you will: * Have a hard time making some contributors understand why they s

Re: [kde-community] What is a GitHub pull request exactly?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 09:55 PM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > Exactly. > So why would one continue to do the prelimiary review in addition to the > required one? > As soon as there is a stream of patches from a new contributor, that > contributor will be asked to get an account of their own. > Need for prelim

Re: [kde-community] Bikeshedding - our strength apparently *sigh*

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 09:36 PM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > So, right now, a maintainer is expected to check reviewboard even if they are > content with all holders of commit accounts to push directly. > But that as soon as there is a second option, then not checking reviewboard > becomes acceptable? That'

Re: [kde-community] Bikeshedding - our strength apparently *sigh*

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 09:13 PM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: > Could you mention at least one KDE git repo that belongs to multiple > projects? And thus maybe multiple even multiple groups of maintainers? I have previously in the thread: Different subfolders in plasma-desktop.git have different maintainers,

Re: [kde-community] Bikeshedding - our strength apparently *sigh*

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 08:58 PM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > Even using a review tool in the first place is something that the maintainer > asks people to do. No. We advertise ReviewBoard (and later Phab) as a general interface to throw code at our maintainers. "I don't look at ReviewBoard" is not a socially

Re: [kde-community] What is a GitHub pull request exactly?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 08:43 PM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > Well, the github side review will make the job of the KDE contributor who > brings the patch into KDE a lot easier, because when they put the patch up > for > review as "their" contribution, most of the things that the contributor knew > about wi

Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 08:32 PM, Rajeev Bhatta wrote: > If we can choose the name Selfie and then it is important to have the users > relate to it as a product too then it works, if we cannot target that then we > should not name it such... I feel like Selfie is more likely to create an emotional bond

Re: [kde-community] Bikeshedding - our strength apparently *sigh*

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 08:25 PM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > Saying "I don't look at the KDE review tool" would be like saying "I am not > interested in your patch". Saying "My personal productivity and efficiency matters more to me in the long-run than your patch, so please use the tool I prefer to reach me

Re: [kde-community] What is a GitHub pull request exactly?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 08:13 PM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > I am afraid my understanding of the technical background of this is still too > hazy. > How would review "move" from KDE to github? > If review on reviewboard is required (per project's unwritten social > contract), it cannot not happen. > If it is

Re: [kde-community] Write our own pull request bot?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 08:05 PM, Martin Klapetek wrote: > Patch from 2012 with open questions/issues from a newcomer(?), left > unattended. Having the same on Phabricator with the source being github > would be no different, would it? And there _will_ be patches left to rot > on Phabricator anyway, just l

Re: [kde-community] Write our own pull request bot?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 08:01 PM, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: > The user gets a notifications. We're working on the assumption that this user > is a github user --> he will see the notification. Review comments on Phab don't produce GitHub notifications. Cheers, Eike _

Re: [kde-community] Bikeshedding - our strength apparently *sigh*

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 07:52 PM, Kevin Krammer wrote: > You mean that a KDE project would ignore your review request it it comes from > reviewboard/phabricator? I think that's a realistic, even likely concern. We already know that some devs don't like using multiple code review sites concurrently from t

Re: [kde-community] Write our own pull request bot?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 07:49 PM, Martin Klapetek wrote: > We wouldn't get no lock-in though. Not even remotely. It will simply > be another path for an incoming patch. If the patch in question ends > up on Phabricator and gets reviewed on Phabricator and merged from > Phabricator, it is no different than

Re: [kde-community] Renaming KScreenGenie

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 07:32 PM, techie.raj...@yahoo.in wrote: > I search apps on google all the time, some time in youtube to see a demo of > it.. Searching for selfie will result in all the smartphones, all the > different > selfie related stuff which is currently viral among the masses. Yeah. And

Re: [kde-community] Write our own pull request bot?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 07:04 PM, Martin Klapetek wrote: > The only limitation I see is the needed Identity account for submitting > patches on phabricator (right?), but other than that, how hard can it > be(tm)? The problem with that is that it's another variant of "doing GitHub, but badly". It's an impr

Re: [kde-community] Official KDE mirror on github

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 06:57 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote: >> The topology of 'project' is not a match to our repository >> topology, which is incidental and an implementation detail. >> It's not possible to cleanly turn GitHub on or off along >> the - ever-shifting - social boundaries involved. >> >

Re: [kde-community] What is a GitHub pull request exactly?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 06:53 PM, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: > On Saturday, September 19, 2015 06:44:24 PM Martin Graesslin wrote: >> No reality would be that it slowly moves code review from KDE to github. And >> I think we have here quite some people in the discussion who would love to >> see that > > I

Re: [kde-community] What is a GitHub pull request exactly?

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 06:22 PM, Martin Graesslin wrote: > And how do we do that? Can we enforce this technically or will that be > weakened over the time the same way as we just turned the mirror into "let's > accept pull requests"? This wishy-washy stuff is nonsense. The sole argument for enabling Gi

Re: [kde-community] Bikeshedding - our strength apparently *sigh*

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 05:58 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote: > We already use some other forms of code review - > > * IRC > * Email > * IM > * Google+ Hangouts (Just discussed some things related to the Baloo > KCM a week ago) > * Knocking on David's door and screaming "I need you to look at some code" I expec

Re: [kde-community] Bikeshedding - our strength apparently *sigh*

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 05:54 PM, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: > while rejecting them autmatically isjust a great way to drive potential > contributors away... Which is a good reason why the mirror shouldn't have happened - regret being on vacation during that time. Cheers, Eike __

Re: [kde-community] Bikeshedding - our strength apparently *sigh*

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 02:12 PM, Myriam Schweingruber wrote: > Some of you wanted the mirror on Github because apparently there are > developers out there who are too lazy (or too dumb) to learn to use > new tools. Are those developers we want? Developer recruitment should be our #1 problem for the next

Re: [kde-community] Official KDE mirror on github

2015-09-19 Thread Eike Hein
On 09/19/2015 04:04 PM, Vishesh Handa wrote: > This is the part of your email I really like. Though this is not what > you meant: If projectX choose to also use Github, it is not affecting > your project in anyway. Just ignore it and move on. You keep reiterating this, but it's simply not true:

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