Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

On 22/09/2016 14:56, Owen Leonard wrote: > - How does using React affect translations? > > My impression from looking at React examples online (and from Bug > 17297) is that React JS very often includes HTML markup in a way which > would be too cumbersome to manage with the way we handle >

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Sorry folks, but this is pretty long. > That said, I think it’s a shame that Koha has no priorities. I also want > Koha to be the fastest, slickest most useful ILS in the world, but I think > more collaboration and cooperation would help ensure that. For companies to collaborate and cooperate

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

r 2016 12:28 AM To: David Cook <dc...@prosentient.com.au> Cc: Owen Leonard <oleon...@myacpl.org>; Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, David Cook <dc...@pro

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

With some snipping, please see interspersed text below At 03:03 PM 9/21/2016 +, Kivilahti Olli-Antti wrote: Hi there! I don't know how I intercepted this email since I never read my email, but... Well, you've been subscribed for many years, have occasionally written, but I would agree

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Kyle Hall schrieb am 21.09.2016 > I suppose that is the most prudent thing to do Tomas. We do have a access > to a lawyer so I'll talk to her and let you know her thoughts! Excellent, thank you Kyle. And to Tomas for bringing lawyers into the discussion. In the end nobody cares what we thought

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org [koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org] on behalf of Kyle Hall [kyle.m.h...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:27 PM To: David Cook Cc: Koha Devel Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, David

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

At 08:34 AM 9/21/2016 -0600, Kyle Hall wrote: Paul, that's not how it works. As I wrote earlier, if *I* sue Facebook I could potentially lose my right to distribute software using React, but you would be unaffected. Kyle -- not wanting to flog a dead horse (and as I wrote IANAL), but Koha is

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

I'm still going to run this past our lawyer, but I think it's even less of a concern then before. Not only would I need to sue Facebook, I would need to sue Facebook *for infringing on my own patents*. Kyle

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

I suppose that is the most prudent thing to do Tomas. We do have a access to a lawyer so I'll talk to her and let you know her thoughts! Kyle

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Paul, that's not how it works. As I wrote earlier, if *I* sue Facebook I could potentially lose my right to distribute software using React, but you would be unaffected. Kyle

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Mirko, you would have no worries. The license basically means that an entity that sues facebook may lose the patent grants facebook has. So if I sue Facebook, I might lose my patent grant to distribute React based software, but you would not be affected in any way. The license cannot be revoked.

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

At 02:14 PM 9/21/2016 +0200, Mirko Tietgen wrote: David Cook schrieb am 21.09.2016 > The updated licence isn’t without controversy: > >

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

> > 72/330 Wattle St > > Ultimo, NSW 2007 > > Australia > > > > Office: 02 9212 0899 > > Direct: 02 8005 0595 > > > > *From:* Kyle Hall [mailto:kyle.m.h...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2016 3:31 PM > *To:* David Cook <dc...@prosent

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

El mié., 21 sept. 2016 a las 11:17, Kyle Hall () escribió: > Yes, I've done as thorough a review on the issue as I've been able to. > Basically, Koha is never in any danger. But if say, *I* sued Facebook, I > could possibly lose my patent grants and wouldn't be able to

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

; > > > *From:* koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org [mailto: > koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org] *On Behalf Of *Kyle Hall > *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2016 11:22 PM > *To:* Katrin <katrin.fischer...@web.de> > *Cc:* Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-communit

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org] *On Behalf Of *Kyle Hall > *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2016 11:22 PM > *To:* Katrin <katrin.fischer...@web.de> > *Cc:* Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> > > *Subject:* Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to Rea

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

ha-community.org [mailto: > koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org] *On Behalf Of *Kyle Hall > *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 September 2016 3:24 PM > *To:* Marc Véron <ve...@veron.ch> > *Cc:* Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

David Cook schrieb am 21.09.2016 > The updated licence isn’t without controversy: > > https://discuss.reactjs.org/t/legal-department-did-not-allow-use-of-react/3309/4 > > That said, I think the issue is that

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

-community.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Hall Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 3:22 PM To: Paul A <pau...@navalmarinearchive.com> Cc: Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React Question: what has Facebook added to js that we c

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

: Owen Leonard <oleon...@myacpl.org>; Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React For my part, I don't know if we need to keep bolting on more new and shiny to Koha. ElasticSearch makes sense. A REST API makes sense. Fi

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

ty.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Hall Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 11:22 PM To: Katrin <katrin.fischer...@web.de> Cc: Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React Katrin I'm not quite sure what you mean. When I wrote we translate these f

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

From: koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Kyle Hall Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 3:24 PM To: Marc Véron <ve...@veron.ch> Cc: Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] To Rea

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

> boun...@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Owen Leonard >> > Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 11:33 PM >> > To: Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> >> > Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React >> > >> > > Another thing is t

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lists.koha-community.org>] On Behalf Of Owen Leonard > Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 11:33 PM > To: Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org <mailto:koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org>> > Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React > > &g

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

t; >> > -Original Message- >> > From: koha-devel-boun...@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel- >> > boun...@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Owen Leonard >> > Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 11:33 PM >> > To: Koha Devel <koha-d

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Owen Leonard > > Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 11:33 PM > > To: Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> > > Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React > > > > > Another thing is that you need nodejs to compi

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

I did much research on that particular issue and it was put to rest when Facebook updated it's license for React. It looks like the Wikipedia page only has the vaguest reference to that ; ) > Regarding licensing: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/React_(JavaScript_library) > > See part "Patents

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

> > > Question: what has Facebook added to js that we could not use as "regular" > js? Not a show stopper, but our "gut feeling" (not fully documented, but > more than anecdotal) is that all js code, given its standalone capability, > has a more than proportional speed downside. And I'm not going

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Question: what has Facebook added to js that we could not use as "regular" > js? Not a show stopper, but our "gut feeling" (not fully documented, but > more than anecdotal) is that all js code, given its standalone capability, > has a more than proportional speed downside. And I'm not going near

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Yes, I definitely want to complete the backend and make this a fully functioning submission before long. I decided to get it out as early as possible just to get this discussion rolling!

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Owen, I didn't know that proposal had been shut down! I find it especially odd since we already require nodejs for converting our less files to css. We already have leaped the bar of needing to use nodejs as Koha developers, so I see no reason why cannot just use grunt or gulp via npm as we do the

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Philippe Blouin < philippe.blo...@inlibro.com> wrote: > Can I not be against, yet still have concerns? :) > > I'm glad you so gallantly dumped Angular, which I would have raised my > hand Against since that thing obsolete past code every 6 months. But I do > not

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Sent: Monday, 19 September 2016 11:33 PM > To: Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> > Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React > > > Another thing is that you need nodejs to compile it so is another > > thing to throw on the stack. > >

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Regarding licensing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/React_(JavaScript_library) See part "Patents clause controversy" Marc Am 19.09.2016 um 17:15 schrieb Paul A: At 08:18 AM 9/19/2016 -0400, Kyle Hall wrote: Thanks for the feedback Stefano! Please, if anybody is *against* the use of React in

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

At 08:18 AM 9/19/2016 -0400, Kyle Hall wrote: Thanks for the feedback Stefano! Please, if anybody is *against* the use of React in Koha, please voice your concerns! Question: what has Facebook added to js that we could not use as "regular" js? Not a show stopper, but our "gut feeling" (not

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Hi Kyle; Thanks for this example. Would it be possible to see a working example to fully understand what you have in mind? Cheers, Jonathan 2016-09-15 19:22 GMT+02:00 Kyle Hall : > I have my proof of concept for using React within Koha completed! You can > see it here:

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

> Another thing is that you need nodejs to compile it so is another thing to > throw on the stack. Isn't this the kind of dependency requirement that killed my request to introduce a front-end build tool like Grunt or Gulp? -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Arthur, I believe that foundation is an alternative to bootstrap. React JS is on the league of backbone, angular and ember. I have use React JS on a project and the best thing about it is the possibility of rewrite really small parts of the page. Create small widget to increase the functionality

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Since you're talking about JS/CSS Frameworks, what about Foundation? http://foundation.zurb.com/ This one is cool too! Best regards, Arthur Suzuki University Jean Moulin Lyon 3 Le 19/09/2016 à 14:33, Philippe Blouin a écrit : Can I not be against, yet still have concerns? :) I'm glad you so

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Can I not be against, yet still have concerns? :) I'm glad you so gallantly dumped Angular, which I would have raised my hand Against since that thing obsolete past code every 6 months. But I do not know React. Could you sell me more the big plusses to do that. What will it replace, do you

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

Thanks for the feedback Stefano! Please, if anybody is *against* the use of React in Koha, please voice your concerns! Kyle http://www.kylehall.info ByWater

Re: [Koha-devel] To React or not to React

My +1 for React. Angular requires a specific skill, other than Javascript. Stefano > On 15 set 2016, at 19:22, Kyle Hall wrote: > > I have my proof of concept for using React within Koha completed! You can see > it here: