Tamara P Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, both the Flemings and the Swiss had pillows which were
block-pillow prototypes, fairly early on. They weren't *all blocks*
(9), the way ours are now, but they did have moveable blocks (3) down
the centre of the pillow.
About a decade
Apologies for getting the continent and Britain mixed up - head is full of
everything and anything today.
Of course the continent is where it started.
I did come across an interesting article this afternoon, by Brian Lemin,
where he prods and talks about 'bone lace' - amazing what the internet
The suggestion I've heard for spangles on English Midlands bobbins is
that these lacemakers were the first to use machine-spun thread - a
reasonable surmise as they were living close to where the first
spinning machines were invented. The twist on the machine-spun thread
was different from
I was of the same impression. I'm not sure exactly where I'd heard it,
but I think it was Christine Springett (just in a conversation at a Lace
Day)
That is another area of lacemaking that has always amazed me...to think
that the fine threads we have seen in old lace was EVER hand spun!!!
Thank you Robin, when I made mine the pattern piece was given to me by
my teacher to expand and mack up a square, as a learning tool of
course. I had just done some samples and then one other beds/cluny
piece, so by the time I got to the end I was feeling I understood the
pattern better and
I was a little concerned that there might be an almost a taboo thing, I
suppose, but with the answers received so far I now feel released to
choose whatever I like. Thank you all very much for your replies.
Before this subject comes to its natural conclusion, is there a natural
hanky size for
Thank you, I thought it might be easier as the new Mum wasn't my
daughter or direct grand daughter, but no such thing. I am still short
on sleep and with a few extra grey hairs through worrying:-) Still she
is here and very cute.
I shall be doing the baby bonnet, and then with instructions to
Christine Springett has a number of lovely edgings in her book, I will
need to take another look, grin could keep me busy for some time.
Thanks for your reminder.
Sue T, Dorset UK
Aurelia Loveman wrote:
Christine Springett has a very nice one in Lace for Special
Occasions. I made it a couple
So amazing, when I examined an old, old lace under a linen tester, to
realize the lace was made of handspun singles (linen). Well, we work
with what we have, and whatever we do a lot of, we get good at, such
as when handspinning was the norm. The industry of flax was in its
heyday and a suitable
There are two other books you might find helpful:
Weddings, Christenings anniversaries in Lace ed. by Bridget Cook.
Orange Blossom lace - a collection of coordinated lace wedding accessory
patterns. Produced by Wollongbar lacemakers. Patterns by Pat Milne.
They may both be in the UK Lace
Thanks Sue, I do have the Bridget Cook book but never heard of the other
one which founds fascinating.
Sue T off to put dinner out.
There are two other books you might find helpful:
Weddings, Christenings anniversaries in Lace ed. by Bridget Cook.
Orange Blossom lace - a collection of
Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the web site has been refreshed as I don't remember seeing the very
informative FAQ page before, which gives a lot of information on the history
of Honiton lace, but I could just have missed it in the past.
Thanks for the info, Jean. I haven't
Since the why of Midlands bobbins is lodged firmly in the realm of
speculation, here are a few more thoughts that I don't see expressed on the
list: I don't think the spangles have anything at all to do with weight for
tensioning. Across the continent, you see many very fine laces made with
Also, the staple of linen thread was much much longer than today, so it was
far stronger than any thread that is now available.
Carolyn
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Thanks so much for your recommendation of Shay Pendray's book Needleworker's
Companion I found so much information about threads, useful even for us
non-embroiderers.
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Hi Carolyn!
I like your theory! And, beyond that... when I first saw lace being
made, I was attracted - not just to the wonderful product, but to the
beautiful bobbins on the pillows!! What wonderful toys!!! So... if it
appealed to me in the 20th century, why wouldn't those pretty
On 28 Sep 2008, at 17:47, Carolyn Hastings wrote:
Further, I can't think of a lace that I've made where the weight of
the bobbin has caused the threads to break,
Many, many years ago I made a whole bunch of 1/12th scale lace using
very fine thread (120-180). I found that my East Midlands
On 28 Sep 2008, at 18:39, Clay Blackwell wrote:
Interestngly enough, I started out making lace with those pretty
Midlands, and must have a fortune (*I'm* not counting!!) tied up in
gorgeous Midlands bobbins with beautiful spangles. But... I've
found that I prefer continental bobbins
Hi Spiders:
A couple of things to add to this discussion.
Regarding bobbin weight: different woods have different weights and
wood that is old enough to have completely dried out can be
surprisingly light. So just because a wooden bobbin is big doesn't
necessarily mean it is any heavier than
Yes! But that's just the point!! Different people want different
behaviors from their bobbins... so the square bobbins don't appeal to
everyone. If you toss your bobbins, you've got to have bobbins that
will roll...
Isn't it grand that there are so many different kinds of bobbins out
What would those makers of lace for the cottage industry do if they
lived 'now' instead of 'then'? Would they be technical workers at a
factory, would they be secretaries, bank clerks (erm, customer sales
representatives..), medical assistants? Would they be interested in a
hobby of lacemaking
What a good question. There are so many variables that were not in the
equation back then... I've never seen a sociological study that took a
culture and projected it forward based on modern advances. That
doesn't mean there haven't been any of course... but just that they
haven't crossed
Well, here is a quote from a little booklet put out by the City of
Exeter Museums and Art Gallery: In the 17th and 18th centuries the
industry seems to
have been a prosperous one with lace worth L6 a yard in 1698. The
workers were craftswomen and able to maintain a decent standard of
living.
On Sep 28, 2008, at 9:26, Sue wrote:
Before this subject comes to its natural conclusion, is there a
natural hanky size for the christening bonnet (the wedding hanky
wouldn't matter so much), but to fit a baby head is a more complex
thing.
I don't know that there's a natural size :) And,
On Sep 28, 2008, at 16:47, Carolyn Hastings wrote:
More to the point, is there any situation that you can think of where
it is possible for the bobbin itself to tension the threads?
No; I can't even imagine bobbins, by themselves, tensioning the work
properly. But the tail weight *does* aid
I'm sure someone out there knows the answer to this question. What is the
symbol of a thirtieth wedding anniversary? I know the 25th is silver and the
40th is ruby but the 30th escapes me.
Patricia in Wales
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