I am about to put the pieces of the pattern together to start making it. Sadly
I cannot help you as yet.
Anna from a smoky Sydney where we are experiencing hazard reduction burning.
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> On 31 Aug 2020, at 3:20 am, Charlotte Moore wrote:
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> Has anyone made Christine
om
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Hello Maria Greil and Sue
Tried to send my reply to Arachne, but email bounced.
Urling's was a shop in Germany that sold (amongst other things) lace.
So it is not a type of lace, but probably machine made lace curtains
etc.
Agnes Bod
I had never heard of it before, but an internet search came up with
these (and similar), which makes it look as if Urling's was a shop in
London:
https://sotherans.co.uk/products/lace-an-original-engraved-advertisement-for-
urlings-lace
Good suggestion! But no!!
Sue
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You weren't working on leaf tallies at the time, were you? ;-)
That does take the cake!
Lorraine
Sue, I’ve known you long enough and have communicated with you F2F enough to
know you do not pronounce “lace” as “lice”! Let’s file this in the bizarre
column!
Clay
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> I have been demonstrating lacemaking at the
Hi Sharon,
I don't think we need more labels. We have "antique" (more than 100 years
old, which includes Art Nouveau designs of the fin de siecle), "vintage"
(50 to 100 yrs), and "modern" (younger than 50). "Modern" is also used for
a particular time period in art and design that includes both
Thank you Laurie, and thank you everyone for your responses! Seems I had a
right to be suspicious.
Best,
Elena
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See the piece I wrote on LaceNews a few years ago, at
https://lacenews.net/2011/08/24/music-the-bonelace-weavers-song/
It is Part 1, because I actually interviewed Roy Harris about this, and
will write up my notes in a second article soon.
Laurie
Elena
You are right to question Thomas Wright's assertion. "Bone lace" is just
another name for bobbin lace. "Pillow lace" is another term that is used
sometimes. This is an example of how careful one must be in using any
statements by authors of that era. Many years ago I gave some attention
My apologies for not trimming previous post
Sue M Harvey
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Thank you Brenda for that, I found out about many things concerning the Queens
wardrobe it made fascinating reading also made me very curious to know more
I shall be looking into that .
Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK
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> On 21 Feb 2018, at 21:57, Brenda Paternoster
What Thomas Wright actually wrote is
â "â¦bone-lace it is named, because first made with bone (since wooden)
bobbins.â
In the wardrobe accounts of Queen Elizabethâs day the terms âbone laceâ
(which was made with a fine thread) and âbobbin laceâ (which was made with
a coarser
Elena,
I would take this with a grain of salt. Some of the inventories that
actually mention bone lace are likely to have been metal laces, which were
certainly not "fine" in terms of diameter of the thread.
Kim
In Thomas Wrightâs âRomance of the Lace Pillow,â on page 8 he makes a
thanks Brenda and all of you answering my question. I got the first answer
privately and answered privately too.
The question came thinking about reconstruct a Bucks Point pricking for a fan.
Working on it I was wondering that on different points the angles were
different. I knew that not all
Sorry Bev that I give you a new name.
Ilske
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Good morning!
I actually did respond directly to Ilske about this but for those of you
that are interested here is what I said. My information is from studying
hundreds
of pieces of Tønder lace from the museums collection in Tønder.
bobbi
Good morning! The degrees range from 52 to 60. The
Hello Ilske and everyone
About the angle of Tønder laces, I have not seen an answer to your
question. In the OIDFA Point Ground Lace study book, the angles given for
pre-1900 Tønder laces are 56 to 60 degrees; after 1900 it is 57 degrees
only.
Does this help?
Maybe someone else can add further
I was in Bruges last October, and can confirm what Achim says. The Kantcentrum
and its museum have indeed moved, because the owners of the property, in which
it used to be, wanted to sell the building. The new centre is modern, light and
friendly, and the museum is excellent. There is modern
Hello Dee,
the Kantcentrum is still existing - it just moved. I assume it’s bigger than
before, but I couldn’t visit it yet since when I was there on our way back to
Berlin from the Normandy we were too late (it closes at 17:00). The new address
is Balstraat 16. On the other side of the street
The Kantcentrum is now in the old lace school, I am currently in a Binche 4
class with Anne-Marie (there are 14 of us and two other courses going on at
the same time) There is a museum (and shop) on the ground floor with some
interactive displays, now back to the designing ..
Susan
I was so fortunate to attend one of Anne-Marie's summer courses a number of
years ago. I would love to be able to do that again, but sadly, I know that
this won't happen. Anne Marie has announced that she is retiring from
teaching. A number of her students, including Anny Noben-Slegers, are
Thanks to all who answered/explained. It does make more sense once you
know why there is a difference. I will try the different way of doing
things, at least while I am working through this book. In the meantime
I've also learned about a few other books on Chantilly lace. Books on
Chantilly
I have this book coming in my next shipment. I ordered it from van
Sciver, but she was out of stock last month. And I have also ordered
some of the threads used in this book. Oh my, 25,000 pins per repeat or
250 pairs? That is a lot of pins as well as bobbins. But I am starting
to get there
Hello Marianne,
Like, I just realized that Devon trolly lace is another point ground type
lace, and I'd like to try them all, I see now that the first book is already
out of print... i just can't keep up.
You wont miss much there IMHO - its not different from Bucks point and the
patterns in
Hello Marianne,
Adele has already given you a perfect explanation. I agree that you should
always follow the instructions and method used by the teacher or the book.
When buying books or magazines, we must always make sure which method is
using the writer. So it is convenient to get used to
This is a very clarifying explanation, as sometimes different lacemaking
methods with similar results lead to confusion. It is important to understand ,
the how and why teachers make things in one or another way. In this case
for practical reasons according with used pillows.
Thanks
Carolina
Chantilly is different in some minor respects - you’ll find out working through
Lia’s examples.
Then again: if you don’t want/need to work in a historically correct way, you
could simply work the pieces as you are used to for Bucks (you could even
mirror the pattern to have the edge on the
Hi Marianne:
Structurally there is no difference between these two methods, which are called
the ‘open pin’ (TTTC) or the ‘closed pin’ (CTTT) method, and Chantilly can be
made either way. (In Ulrike Voelcker’s book “The Grammar of Point Ground” she
uses the closed pin method.)
With the open
And what about sequins? Can they also cut the thread? I have never used
them, but are now wondering...
Thanks a lot for all your contributions on this subject!
Best wishes from Spain: lovely spring weather today.
â
--
Antje González
www.vueltaycruz.es
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Dear Antje,
You asked about sequins. There is more than one type of sequin or similar
attachment for lace and they are made from different materials. There are
probably manufacturers in many countries and they may have different ways
of manufacturing sequins. I suggest you draw thread
I imagine that you mean that the thread can break while working with it...
Or can it also happen that it breaks after you have made the lace, once you
are using it?
I had never thought of this before until Pene asked. It has never happened
to me... Do you think it can depend on the type of thread
It would certainly happen both while you were making the lace and later, when
it was being used, if you used sharp bugle beads. With the metal ones, I am not
so sure. It would probably be fine in the making, but wear through the thread
later. I don't think it would matter what thread you used -
I would agree with Kathleen here. Bugle beads or beads with chips should be
avoided at almost all costs when you are making anything involving beads. The
only way to get around the challenge with bugle beads is to put a seed bead at
either end of the bugle bead. Then the thread isn't rubbing
I have not used beads in my lace very often, but I find that bugle beads -
the long slim ones - often cut the thread when I am beading! And that is
nylon beading thread. I think that bugle beads are cut from a tube and,
unless they are very good quality, have sharp edges. It doesn't seem to
happen
I used several times beads in my laces. In no case happened anything like
cutting the thread or the finished lace.
Ilske
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As well as bugles, I was advised by a bead teacher that some of the round
metal beads (not glass beads) can wear through thread. So I avoided trying
them.
Sue
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Dear Chris,
First, using the Panix address to Arachne means your letter may get lost in
ether instead of going to our archives, so someone looking for it in near
future may not find it! However, this reply will make it through, so your
request is covered because most of your words have
The handbag mirrors are really good, and quick and easy to make , I have made
one each for most of my female family and friends and all have been greeted
with thanks and I notice regularly used. And they come with a nice little
velvet pouch to carry them.
Sue M Harvey
Norfolk
U.K.
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J D Hammett jdhamm...@msn.com wrote:
Framecraft (sold by several lace traders) does small ceramic and glass pots
In the US, Nordic Needle http://www.nordicneedle.com/ and other embroidery
suppliers sell lovely wood boxes with inserts in the lid for pictures,
embroideries, or lace
You can buy acrylic coasters that open to take lace (or other items).
There are those of normal thickness and others that are deeper for
thicker items. An internet search should quickly result in a source
closest to you.
Karen in Malta
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Hi Shelly,
I am just about to complete two coasters just as you describe. Not sure
which country you are in but I am in the UK and have purchased the acrylic
coasters from Clairs lace in Bournemouth. I chose her as I have purchased
them from her direct at a lace day and when I ran out I
Shelley asked: The one piece is a square and after thinking about it some I
thought it
would be great inside a coaster form. Does anyone know of anyplace to
find such a thing? I am thinking something along the lines of acrylic cover
that would
protect the lace but be functional as a coaster.
Depending on the size it might be difficult to find a pre-made coaster form
that will fit a completed piece. I have been pondering how to make a coaster
out of a piece of lace without harming it, and I came up with this:
Couldn't you cut two pieces of Mylar - a top and a bottom - into the
Hello Shelly and everyone
There are some varieties for example here:
http://yarntree.com/cross-stitch/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=132_225
but if those would be too small for your lace, how about a glass plate for
a temporary cover?
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Shelly
That is a really cool idea, Adele! I am just trying to think of ways to
use the small pieces I am making in decorating around the house. Only so
many spots to put up framed pieces, and figured it might be fun to
display the lace in different and unexpected ways.
Thank you - I shall play with
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That is a really cool idea, Adele! I am just trying to think of ways to
use the small pieces I am making in decorating around the house. Only so
many spots to put up framed pieces, and figured it might
From a conservator's point of view, glue is always a last resort because it
causes long-term problems of discoloration and disintegration of many
materials to which it is applied.
Backing with dots of moleskin sounds like a solution. Think in terms of
the size of a sequin, with one hole.
Although it may lose a little of the lacey effect, you could mount the piece
to a thin strip of ultra suede to keep it off of the skin. There are many
pretty colors, including a nude/skin tone.
Laura
New Mexico, USA
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Bev,
all those metallic jewellery I worked didn't scratch the skin. Important is to
work properly the endings and try to make them smooth with sandpaper or put a
bit of uncolored varnish on them.
Good luck
Ilske
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I have a glass pendant, but the metal hanger at the top of it always made a
sore patch as it is rough and cheapish metal too. I just carefully painted
the back of it with clear acrylic nail polish. It doesn't show, and it is
certainly much more comfortable to wear.
Perhaps the careful use
I have very sensitive skin and find that metallic threads itch and scratch.
The only comfortable one that I've found is Bijoux Metallics (don't use
Accentuate, as it is too stretchy for bobbin lace). Bijoux only comes in
muted colours but makes very good lace
Sue
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Hi Bev:
Somebody has already mentioned backing it - but I'm thinking you might not need
to back the whole thing - maybe if there are some opaque areas of cloth stitch
you could back just those, with the idea that the backing will hold the rest of
the piece away from the skin. Glue on a bit of
Chris Brill-Packard cbpu...@yahoo.com wrote:
I am looking for the idea
of books that a needlelacer might go back to over and over as they try to
learn new stitches and the techniques.-
Hi, Chris
I don't consider this a beginner's how-to book, but my very most favorite
needlelace
Hi Chris,
I have two very nice books on Needlelace that would meet your requirements!
The newer of the two is Needlelace, Designs and Techniques by Catherine
Barley. Published by Batsford, 2001, ISBN 0 7134 8688 0. However, I am not
sure but it may be OOP.
The second book is needle Lace,
Dear Ilske,
There is a Nancy Evans near Seattle who is a lace dealer (I have purchased
from her). She identifies lace, and teaches needle lace. She was on the
faculty of the International Old Lacers convention last year (and I think
will be on faculty again this year). I have taken
I have responded to Susan privately. lrb
My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members,
please ignore it. I read your emails.
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In the past I, too, have tried to reply to a person's question and received
the message you must have permission (or some such phrase) to get in their in
box. I 'applied' and go not response so did not actually 'answer the
question'. I hope someone else was able to do so. I also get the
Dear Lorri,
In my circumstance, if you send it directly to me, and not through Arachne, it
goes to an online folder, which I read right after my inbox stuff on my
computer, and an automatic message is sent. Mine now reads:
I apologize for this automatic reply to your email.
In order to
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Dear Clay,
Ahah! Let us see if this is the case. I am now
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Well done! (regarding the plain text!)
Now... about the fabric order. If you're getting this for
handerchiefs, a yard will last well into the lifetimes of your heirs!!
I think the pieces I got some time back were 60wide, but that may not
be the case. In any event, you may want to order
Lyn,
I don't think you are really hearing, nor realizing, what is being
said. The message may come through to you whether the writer realizes it or
not, but we ALWAYS get this response from you/Earthlink no matter what, asking
us to fill out our info and it becomes tedium and insulting.
Hi Arachnids,
Yes, I do get 'funny' marks in some emails as well (my ISP is BT) and I am
not sure why. Normally I read around it, but occasionally one has to really
stop and puzzle it out. It would be interesting to know what causes this
especially as I do not get it in any direct emails
Dear Vicky,
Yes. There have definitely been perceived problems communicating with Lyn
directly, and with the punctuation marks in her messages.
Avital has been more than fair and diplomatic with suggestions to
alleviate the problems.
I have privately communicated with Lyn from
Dear Chris,
There is a tape lace sailing boat in Pamela Nottingham's book - Bobbin Lace
Making (ISBN 0713441321) on page 30.
Andrea
in a very dry Cambridge, UK
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 03:26:56 -0700
From: cbpu...@yahoo.com
Subject: [lace] Question - bobbin lace pattern for sailboat
To:
There was also a pattern of a sailboat under a rainbow with was given as a
free internet pattern, via arachne, many years ago now. It was in the
days before we had broadband access and it was big files and took agaes to
download. I was able to use the pattern itself, but a lot of the
Hi Chris,
There are a few nice sail boats in Eeva Liisa Kortelahti's book Let's make
bobbin lace, ISBN 951-99922-3-5, reprinted in 1995.
The boats are inserted in a picture... I mean: it is not an isolated boat,
but it also has a sea and a sky, making a square motive.
I hope I have made myself
Hello Spiders
I happend to be assembling a blog-post on wire bobbins, part own images,
part links to images. Like Brian I cloud use some help on missing links. May
be French spiders could get the help from mono-lingual lacers for the origin
of the faked top-right image.
Jo
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How about a large diameter drinking straw cut into the length of the next of
the bobbin, slit along one side and slipped over the thread. I have
used this.
Maureen
E Yorks UK
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Just a quick thought... if there's problems getting the metallic thread to
start on the bobbin, try winding cotton thread down the length of the thread
area first, to give the metallic thread something to cling to. There's no rule
that you have to use a bare bobbin.
Alice in Oregon ...
: Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.
Just a quick thought... if there's problems getting the metallic thread to
start on the bobbin, try winding cotton thread down the length of the
thread area first, to give the metallic thread something to cling
Hi Patsy et al,
I always use Geoff Mudge's 'hooky' bobbins for metallic thread, and
sometimes for slippery gimps too. The hooks are perfect to hold the thread,
and it never unwinds - the bobbins are also lovely too - as are all Geoff's
bobbins! His details are in 'Lace', but if anyone
: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:04 PM
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.
Another solution which is easy to put on and take off when extra thread
is needed is Scunci mini hair clips. The tiniest ones are small enough
to fit nicely over a bobbin neck without
Hi! I took a class from Jutta Klein, co author of the DK Metallspitzen, a few
years back. She had us use low tack masking tape to tape the end down to the
bobbin. It does depend on which metallic thread you are using. A lot of the
very soft ones will stay on without a problem, like the ones
On 1/14/11, Kim Davis k...@wirelace.net wrote:
Hi! I took a class from Jutta Klein, co author of the DK Metallspitzen, a
few years back. She had us use low tack masking tape to tape the end down
to the bobbin. It does depend on which metallic thread you are using. A
lot of the very soft
oops, very sorry everyone about the non-reply with quoted text... I
hit send by accident and was too late to cancel (waaah).
Anyway:
A lace friend had a similar problem. She solved it by sewing little
tubes for the bobbins from stretch knit fabric. These open-ended
socks fit snugly over the
Another solution which is easy to put on and take off when extra thread
is needed is Scunci mini hair clips. The tiniest ones are small enough
to fit nicely over a bobbin neck without getting in the way and
catching on adjacent bobbins. You can find them in drugstores or
variety stores in
Hi
While it's not a definitive answer for when the book was first published,
WorldCat has one record showing a 1913 publication date:
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/504697460
Cheers,
Gina
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:50 AM, nicky.hoewener-townsend
bob.b...@virgin.net wrote:
A quick question that
Hi Julie,
I had to look thru my photos see where the round doily was located in
the display.
It was on the table with all the lace from the Russian lacemakers.
The circles are done in cloth stitch, so nothing really special.
I'll send you a photo separately so you can have a closer look.
Pene
Hello Clay and everyone
I was curious, followed your link - and further curious to find out the
maker of the product. It is Engleside, who do home care and janitorial
products. Active ingredients aren't given for the various potions, which
would help in deciding if 'Restoration' is safe for
Dear Clay,
One thing I would want to know is long-term safety. Special Laboratories,
to which I do not have access, can test such products for long-term
effects. Perhaps the museums and professional conservators have had this done
to
Restoration.
I will write to my contact at a
At 03:00 AM 26/04/2009, Jean Nathan wrote:
I have been watching video footage of bobbin lace being made and noticed the
very short amount of thread between last worked pin and the top of the bobbin
and wondered what most of you all do.
For me, it all depends on a number of things: such as -
Now you have gone completely the opposite way, thats amazing the lengths,
but does make sense as I have seen photos of your lace desk. I must say
that the more bobbins I have on my pillow the longer my threads seem to need
to be in order to get them out of the working centre area without
I cant say I do an awful lot of darning ends in and when I do I am not
terribly good at it, always a little dissappointed with the end result,
feeling it looks more untidy than the knots I dont like either. (the only
bit of lacemaking which I find unsatisfactory).
Sue T
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When all else fails I shamelessly use glue :D
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I cant say I do an awful lot of darning ends in and when I do I am not
terribly good at it, always a little dissappointed with the end result,
feeling it looks more untidy than the
Could be short to accommodate the camera, so that everything fits in the
viewing 'window' ?
The tether length varies for me depending on the number of bobbins, type of
lace, on whatever pillow and what space I need at the time (does that
help?!)
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Sue
Tether length? I was told 3 -4 inches also and have pretty much stuck with
that length but it also depends on the size of the pillow, where exactly my
lace is at the moment and the number of bobbins used and how well I can see
what I am doing. One person with longer arms and torso has her tether
I tend to have about 10cm, which feels just right for me.
Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK
Sue wrote:
I have been watching video footage of bobbin lace being made and noticed the
very short amount of thread between last worked pin and the top of the bobbin
and wondered what most of you all do.
For me it depends on the lace technique I am working as well as the
type of bobbin I am using.
And I think it is a personal decission. Some like it very short others
longer.
Sue find out what's for you the best.
Ilske
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I never thought of the camera view, of course that makes sense.
I have kind of found my comfortable length and it is often 4 inches or
occasionally a little longer depending on what I am trying to do at the time.
Sometimes just about 3, so I guess I do do what many of you suggested, so
thank you
this showed just about an inch and a half or so at almost the top of the
lace, rather than once much lace had been made.
Some of my bobbins I can undo by turning the bobbin and others not, I also
eventually learned how to rewind up with a pin, but again depends on how
nicely they are wound,
Sue wrote:
I have been watching video footage of bobbin lace being made and noticed the
very short amount of thread between last worked pin and the top of the bobbin
and wondered what most of you all do. When I first began making lace I think
I was told about 3 or 4 inches as a norm and must
For most laces, I use about 3 to 4 inches. That reasonably fits on a 20 inch
pillow (the middle 4 inches has the pattern, and that leaves about 8 inches on
the apron for a 4 inch bobbin and a 4 inch leash.)
However... that is NOT a law. Some people prefer working with a shorter leash,
and
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Finding coloured linen is difficult! If you can't get Bockens 60/2
which is 26
I bought a foreign movie on eBay several years ago, and it would not
play on my DVD player here... But oddly enough, it was just fine
playing on my laptop! So... if you have problems using the DVD player,
just pop it into your computer and see if it will work.
Clay
Jean Nathan wrote:
DVDs
Yes - as long as the DVD player is a multi region one. It is possible to
adjust this from the menu on most DVD players.
Karen in Malta
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Hello All,
it's a bit late, I know, but I want to send you my thaughts about this
subject too.
In my opinion we should stop to look about those old books and the
terminologie in there. the vocabulary of lace has changec a lot since
the book of Mincoff and others. And it makes things only
Dear Jane,
1. Please, could you clarify which Author and Book Title you are
referencing? It would be helpful to people who own the book, if they could
put copies
of some of the correspondence generated by your letter into the book.
2. Lace bulletin editors and individual Lace
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Dear
Jane,
1. Please, could you clarify which Author and Book Title you are
referencing? It would be helpful to people who own the book, if they could
put
According to the glossary in Mincoff Marriage Fond à la vierge = rose
stitch. In the body of the book they say that rose stitch is 'violet
stitch' to Germans and 'maiden's grounding' to the French.
Pat Earnshaw's Dictionary of Lace says cinq trous, five hole, fond à la
vierge, virgin ground
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