[lace] Question

[Ilske Thomsen]

Hello lacefriends,
it’s so quiet on the list I am in danger to loose my English vocabulary.
Did you all know that the congress from Deutscher Klöppelverband take place
from 20. t0 24.04.2022 in Gunzenhausen. Therefore my question does any of you
plan to go there. If so let me know that we could make a time to meet each
other.

Ilske in Germany

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Re: [lace] Question

[Anna Binnie]

I am about to put the pieces of the pattern together to start making it. Sadly 
I cannot help you as yet.

Anna from a smoky Sydney where we are experiencing hazard reduction burning.

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> On 31 Aug 2020, at 3:20 am, Charlotte Moore  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone made Christine Mirecki’s Dreiecktuck Natalie? I am trying to 
> finish it but the edge patterns do not match the body of the shawl?
> 
> Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
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[lace] Question

[Charlotte Moore]

Has anyone made Christine Mirecki’s Dreiecktuck Natalie? I am trying to finish 
it but the edge patterns do not match the body of the shawl?

Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
Abraham Lincoln

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Fw: Re: [lace] Question

[suebabbs385]

Thanks for that Agnes.  I am forwarding your message to Arachne.  The
links I sent give an address at 392 The Strand, London, so I guess
Urling's had shops in multiple countries

Sue

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From: "Agnes Boddington" 
To: suebabbs...@gmail.com
Sent: 3/14/2020 6:34:31 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Question

Hello Maria Greil and Sue
Tried to send my reply to Arachne, but email bounced.
Urling's was a shop in Germany that sold (amongst other things) lace.
So it is not a type of lace, but  probably machine made lace curtains
etc.
Agnes Boddington

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Re: [lace] Question

[suebabbs385]

I had never heard of it before, but an internet search came up with
these (and similar), which makes it look as if Urling's was a shop in
London:

https://sotherans.co.uk/products/lace-an-original-engraved-advertisement-for-
urlings-lace

https://www.biblio.com/book/promotional-material-urlings-flaxen-thread-lace/d
/923266813

Sue

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-- Original Message --
From: "Maria Greil" 

>Can anybody help me ?
>I just read an article in an old magazine (The Ladies' Monthly Museum,
>August 1822, pg. 109 - The Mirror of Fashion) and a kind of lace is
>mentioned several times I do not know: *Urling's lace*.
>Since the publication is English and there are a lot of arachne-members
>from the UK, would it be possible that someone from there could tell me?
>Lots of thanks in advance for your kind support.
>
>

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[lace] Question

[Maria Greil]

Can anybody help me ?
I just read an article in an old magazine (The Ladies' Monthly Museum,
August 1822, pg. 109 - The Mirror of Fashion) and a kind of lace is
mentioned several times I do not know: *Urling's lace*.
Since the publication is English and there are a lot of arachne-members
from the UK, would it be possible that someone from there could tell me?
Lots of thanks in advance for your kind support.

Maria Greil
a German living in Spain
(where we struggle now with the virus)

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Re[2]: [lace] Question of the Show

[suebabbs385]

Thank you, Clay!!

Sue

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Re: [lace] Question of the show

[suebabbs385]

Good suggestion!  But no!!

Sue

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From: "L. E. Weiss" 
To: lace@arachne.com
Sent: 11/10/2019 11:54:14 AM
Subject: [lace] Question of the show


You weren't working on leaf tallies at the time, were you? ;-)
That does take the cake!
Lorraine




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Re: [lace] Question of the Show

[Mary Blackwell]

Sue, I’ve known you long enough and have communicated with you F2F enough to 
know you do not pronounce “lace” as “lice”!  Let’s file this in the bizarre 
column!

Clay

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> 
> I have been demonstrating lacemaking at the Fine Art of Fiber, Chicago 
> Botanic Garden for the last three days and am awarding this year's Prize for 
> the Most Unusual Question early as I doubt that anyone can top it! It goes to 
> the lady who asked, "Did you really say you were making lice?"
> 
> I know I don't have an American accent, but really what a question!
> 
> Sue Babbs
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[lace] Question of the show

[L. E. Weiss]

You weren't working on leaf tallies at the time, were you? ;-)
That does take the cake!
Lorraine

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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:48:07 +
From: suebabbs...@gmail.com
Subject: [lace] Question of the Show

I have been demonstrating lacemaking at the Fine Art of Fiber, Chicago
Botanic Garden for the last three days and am awarding this year's Prize for
the Most Unusual Question early as I doubt that anyone can top it! 
It goes to the lady who asked, "Did you really say you were making lice?"

I know I don't have an American accent, but really what a question!

Sue Babbs

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[lace] Question of the Show

[suebabbs385]

I have been demonstrating lacemaking at the Fine Art of Fiber, Chicago 
Botanic Garden for the last three days and am awarding this year's Prize 
for the Most Unusual Question early as I doubt that anyone can top it! 
It goes to the lady who asked, "Did you really say you were making 
lice?"


I know I don't have an American accent, but really what a question!

Sue Babbs

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Re: [lace] question about nomenclature

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Sharon,

I don't think we need more labels. We have "antique" (more than 100 years
old, which includes Art Nouveau designs of the fin de siecle), "vintage"
(50 to 100 yrs), and "modern" (younger than 50). "Modern" is also used for
a particular time period in art and design that includes both Art Nouveau
and the period from which we get vintage items:  " Modern art includes
artistic work produced during the period extending roughly from the 1860s
to the 1970s, and denotes the styles and philosophy of the art produced
during that era. The term is usually associated with art in which the
traditions of the past have been thrown aside in a spirit of
experimentation." [Wikipedia] What you are calling "modern" is actually
"contemporary" (generally meant to be the work of living artists).  Art
Nouveau as a period already corresponds to a specific time (approx. 1890 to
WWI), or a subsequent design style regardless of age. Both are useful and,
I believe, sufficient.

As for the age of a particular design or piece of lace, if we can't say a
specific date (such as with a painting), we use centuries, usually narrowed
down to half or quarter centuries. I think that, and the use of particular
style terms such as Art Nouveau, is more precise than introducing new
terminology for which one would have to know approximate dates anyway.

Just my opinion of course. And by the way, Art Nouveau is my favorite
design style personally. I have a Carrickmacross collar that is pure Art
Nouveau, and I wish I could find more such pieces of lace.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Sharon Ghamari-Tabrizi <
shg...@mail.harvard.edu> wrote:

> I happen to like art nouveau bobbin lace. Is this considered "modern"? I
> imagine it is, but given the fact that it is more than a century old in
> design, wouldn't it make sense for people to have a third category such as
> "early 20th century modern" to distinguish it from designs created by
> contemporary lacemakers?
>
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[lace] question about nomenclature

[Sharon Ghamari-Tabrizi]

I happen to like art nouveau bobbin lace. Is this considered "modern"? I
imagine it is, but given the fact that it is more than a century old in
design, wouldn't it make sense for people to have a third category such as
"early 20th century modern" to distinguish it from designs created by
contemporary lacemakers?

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[lace] Question about early English lace

[Alex Stillwell]

Re:
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 13:43:03 -0500
From: Elena Kanagy-Loux <enkanagyl...@gmail.com>
Subject: [lace] Question about early English lace

Hello all!

I am researching the development of the lace industry at the moment,

Hi Elena

I have a some references you might find interesting, I’ll send them directly
to you.

Blow the dust

Alex

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Re: [lace] Question about early English lace

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Thank you Laurie, and thank you everyone for your responses! Seems I had a 
right to be suspicious.
Best,
Elena 

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Re: [lace] Question about early English lace

[Laurie Waters]

See the piece I wrote on LaceNews a few years ago, at
https://lacenews.net/2011/08/24/music-the-bonelace-weavers-song/

It is Part 1, because I actually interviewed  Roy Harris about this, and
will write up my notes in a second article soon.

Laurie 

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RE: [lace] Question about early English lace

[Lorelei Halley]

Elena
You are right to question Thomas Wright's assertion. "Bone lace" is just 
another name for bobbin lace. "Pillow lace" is another term that is used 
sometimes. This is an example of how careful one must be in using any 
statements by authors of that era. Many years ago I gave some attention to 
Palliser's opinions, but I no longer even do that. Levey and Earnshaw are just 
about the only ones I really trust. But Earnshaw is better on needle lace than 
on bobbin lace. The real issue is whether the author in question has figured 
out some way of reaching outside the lace itself to pinpoint dates and 
geographical origin. An example of this is Levey's use of weavers' sample books 
(when they have dates attached to the book or to the samples) as a way of 
dating a design.
Lorelei Halley

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Subject: [lace] Question about early English lace

Hello all!

I am researching the development of the lace industry at the moment, and I have 
a fairly extensive bibliography, but there is one reference that I have only 
seen in one place.

In Thomas Wright’s “Romance of the Lace Pillow,” on page 8 he makes a 
distinction between bone lace as being finer, and bobbin lace as being coarser. 
My other trusted sources (Levey, Palliser, Earnshaw, etc) make no distinction, 
and my understanding has always been that bone lace is just an early name for 
bobbin lace. What say you all? Are there any other sources to support this or 
should I take it with a grain of salt?

Thank you!
Best,
Elena

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Re: [lace] Question about early English lace

[Sue Harvey]

My apologies for not trimming previous post
Sue M Harvey

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Re: [lace] Question about early English lace

[Sue Harvey]

Thank you Brenda for that,  I found out about many things concerning the Queens 
wardrobe it made fascinating reading also made me very curious to know more 
I  shall be looking into that . 
Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK 

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> On 21 Feb 2018, at 21:57, Brenda Paternoster  
> wrote:
> 
> What Thomas Wright actually wrote is
> ‘ "…bone-lace it is named, because first made with bone (since wooden)
> bobbins.”
> 
> In the wardrobe accounts of Queen Elizabeth’s day the terms “bone lace”
> (which was made with a fine thread) and “bobbin lace” (which was made with
> a coarser thread) often occur - “bone,” however more frequently than
> “bobbin.”
> 
> In the first quoted sentence he appears to be saying that bone lace was just
> an earlier name for bobbin lace.
> In the second sentence he’s saying that the term bone lace occurs more
> frequently than the term bobbin lace and although he says that bobbin lace is
> coarser he doesn’t provide a source to corroborate that statement.
> 
> Maybe looking at the wardrobe accounts of Queen Elizabeth I would shed light
> on it.
> 
> A couple of interesting websites about Queen Elizabeth I’s
> http://www.elizabethancostume.net/blog/warrants-101/
> 
> and
> http://www.elizabethancostume.net/cyte/ElizabethI
> 
> 
> BTW the references in the second website which begin PRO LC 5/  are old
> references, they should now be TNA LC 5/
> PRO = Public record office   which is now known as The National Archives (TNA)
> at Kew, London
> LC = Lord Chamberlain’s Department and 5= Great Wardrobe
> 
> Just looking at one of the items on TNA Discovery database
> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C213973
> 
> shows that it’s a public record available for public viewing, but not
> digitised or online so it would be necessary to visit TNA in person to see the
> original.
> 
>> 
>> In Thomas Wright’s “Romance of the Lace Pillow,” on page 8 he makes a
> distinction between bone lace as being finer, and bobbin lace as being
> coarser. My other trusted sources (Levey, Palliser, Earnshaw, etc) make no
> distinction, and my understanding has always been that bone lace is just an
> early name for bobbin lace. What say you all?
> 
> Brenda in Allhallows
> 
> paternos...@appleshack.com
> www.brendapaternoster.co.uk
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Re: [lace] Question about early English lace

[Brenda Paternoster]

What Thomas Wright actually wrote is
‘ "…bone-lace it is named, because first made with bone (since wooden)
bobbins.”

In the wardrobe accounts of Queen Elizabeth’s day the terms “bone lace”
(which was made with a fine thread) and “bobbin lace” (which was made with
a coarser thread) often occur - “bone,” however more frequently than
“bobbin.”

In the first quoted sentence he appears to be saying that bone lace was just
an earlier name for bobbin lace.
In the second sentence he’s saying that the term bone lace occurs more
frequently than the term bobbin lace and although he says that bobbin lace is
coarser he doesn’t provide a source to corroborate that statement.

Maybe looking at the wardrobe accounts of Queen Elizabeth I would shed light
on it.

A couple of interesting websites about Queen Elizabeth I’s
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/blog/warrants-101/

and
http://www.elizabethancostume.net/cyte/ElizabethI


BTW the references in the second website which begin PRO LC 5/  are old
references, they should now be TNA LC 5/
PRO = Public record office   which is now known as The National Archives (TNA)
at Kew, London
LC = Lord Chamberlain’s Department and 5= Great Wardrobe

Just looking at one of the items on TNA Discovery database
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C213973

shows that it’s a public record available for public viewing, but not
digitised or online so it would be necessary to visit TNA in person to see the
original.

>
> In Thomas Wright’s “Romance of the Lace Pillow,” on page 8 he makes a
distinction between bone lace as being finer, and bobbin lace as being
coarser. My other trusted sources (Levey, Palliser, Earnshaw, etc) make no
distinction, and my understanding has always been that bone lace is just an
early name for bobbin lace. What say you all?

Brenda in Allhallows

paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[lace] Question about early English lace

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Hello all!

I am researching the development of the lace industry at the moment, and I have 
a fairly extensive bibliography, but there is one reference that I have only 
seen in one place.

In Thomas Wright’s “Romance of the Lace Pillow,” on page 8 he makes a 
distinction between bone lace as being finer, and bobbin lace as being coarser. 
My other trusted sources (Levey, Palliser, Earnshaw, etc) make no distinction, 
and my understanding has always been that bone lace is just an early name for 
bobbin lace. What say you all? Are there any other sources to support this or 
should I take it with a grain of salt?

Thank you!
Best,
Elena

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Re: [lace] Question about early English lace

[Kim Davis]

Elena,

 I would take this with a grain of salt.  Some of the inventories that
actually mention bone lace are likely to have been metal laces, which were
certainly not "fine" in terms of diameter of the thread.

Kim


In Thomas Wright’s “Romance of the Lace Pillow,” on page 8 he makes a
> distinction between bone lace as being finer, and bobbin lace as being
> coarser. My other trusted sources (Levey, Palliser, Earnshaw, etc) make no
> distinction, and my understanding has always been that bone lace is just an
> early name for bobbin lace. What say you all? Are there any other sources
> to support this or should I take it with a grain of salt?
>

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[lace] Re: [lace] Question about Tönder lace

[Ilske Thomsen]

thanks Brenda and all of you answering my question. I got the first answer 
privately and answered privately too.
The question came thinking about reconstruct a Bucks Point pricking for a fan. 
Working on it I was wondering that on different points the angles were 
different. I knew that not all Buckpoint laces have the same angle but on one 
piece different???
Than I remembered my Tönder lace reconstructions and became aware that I never 
thought if those were always made with the same angle or in different times 
different. And when I mesure my reconstructions I found out that there were two 
with about 60 degree and others with less.
By the way I through away the Bucks fan pricking.

Ilske 

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[lace] Re: [lace] Question about Tönder lace

[Ilske Thomsen]

Sorry Bev that I give you a new name.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Question

[Bobbi Donnelly]

Good morning!
I actually did respond directly to Ilske about this but for those of you
that are interested here is what I said. My information is from studying 
hundreds

of pieces of Tønder lace from the museums collection in Tønder.
bobbi

Good morning! The degrees range from 52 to 60. The majority that I've done 
reconstructions on

have been either 56 or 57 though.
Hope this helps.
bobbi

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Hello Ilske and everyone


About the angle of Tønder laces, I have not seen an answer to your
question. In the OIDFA Point Ground Lace study book, the angles given for
pre-1900 Tønder laces are 56 to 60 degrees; after 1900 it is 57 degrees
only.
Does this help?
Maybe someone else can add further information.

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Re: [lace] Question

[Bev Walker]

Hello Ilske and everyone

About the angle of Tønder laces, I have not seen an answer to your
question. In the OIDFA Point Ground Lace study book, the angles given for
pre-1900 Tønder laces are 56 to 60 degrees; after 1900 it is 57 degrees
only.
Does this help?
Maybe someone else can add further information.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Ilske Thomsen 
wrote:

> Hello Everybody,
> I am wondering if all Tönder laces have the same angle or could they be
> different?
>

--
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Question

[Kathleen Harris]

I was in Bruges last October, and can confirm what Achim says. The Kantcentrum 
and its museum have indeed moved, because the owners of the property, in which 
it used to be, wanted to sell the building. The new centre is modern, light and 
friendly, and the museum is excellent. There is modern and old lace on show, 
interactive displays, a film of the history of lace, displays of pillows and 
other equipment. We were a group of twenty, and most, if not all, visited the 
museum and I think all agreed that it was excellent, and that the displays 
interested both lace makers and tourists alike. Our tutor was Anne-Marie 
Verbeke, who was very interested to know what we thought of the new museum, if 
we visited it. We were able to reassure her that it was really good! Also, it 
is still possible to visit the classes In the centre, and watch lace being 
made, if you are there at the right time.
 
The shop in Baalstraat, (opposite the Kantcentrum,) which is called 
t'Apostielente, is full of genuine hand made lace for sale, both modern and 
antique, at, as Achim says, reasonable prices. It also has a full range of 
lacemaking supplies. There are one or two shops in the centre of Bruges which 
sell genuine hand made lace, with certificates of authenticity. I can't 
remember their names at the moment, but maybe someone else can.

Kathleen
In Berkshire, UK
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 Hi all,
 
 I was in Brugge 15 yrs ago and really enjoyed the lace museum.  I visited
 the city again last month and was disappointed to find that the museum was
 no longer there.  Furthermore, stores were selling most lace pieces for
 really cheap, too cheap to have been made by hand, in my opinion. However,
 there were few pieces that appeared to be handmade from the look of pin
 holes.
 
 Can anyone shed some light on the state of lace in Brugge?  What is thebest
 city in the world these days to visit a lace museum or purchase lace? Thank
 you.
 Dee
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[lace] Question

[deeporne beardsley]

Hi all,

I was in Brugge 15 yrs ago and really enjoyed the lace museum.  I visited
the city again last month and was disappointed to find that the museum was
no longer there.  Furthermore, stores were selling most lace pieces for
really cheap, too cheap to have been made by hand, in my opinion. However,
there were few pieces that appeared to be handmade from the look of pin
holes.

Can anyone shed some light on the state of lace in Brugge?  What is thebest
city in the world these days to visit a lace museum or purchase lace? Thank
you.
Dee
From sunny AZ but currently a PCV in Moldova

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Re: [lace] Question

[Achim Siebert]

Hello Dee,
the Kantcentrum is still existing - it just moved. I assume it’s bigger than 
before, but I couldn’t visit it yet since when I was there on our way back to 
Berlin from the Normandy we were too late (it closes at 17:00). The new address 
is Balstraat 16. On the other side of the street is the museum shop - very 
small but crammed with lace. All hand made for reasonable prices. Well, if 
140.000 € for a genuine Chantilly triangular shawl is reasonable, but I guess 
it is.
The shops in the town centre are just tourist traps with mostly machine made 
lace.

Best, Achim.

 I was in Brugge 15 yrs ago and really enjoyed the lace museum.  I visited
 the city again last month and was disappointed to find that the museum was
 no longer there.  Furthermore, stores were selling most lace pieces for
 really cheap, too cheap to have been made by hand, in my opinion. However,
 there were few pieces that appeared to be handmade from the look of pin
 holes.

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[lace] Re: [lace] Question

[Susan Roberts]

The Kantcentrum  is now in the old lace school, I am currently in a Binche 4
class with Anne-Marie (there are 14 of us and two other courses going on at
the same time)  There is a museum (and shop) on the ground floor with some
interactive displays, now back to the designing ..

Susan
Www.susanroberts.info


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 Hello Dee,
 the Kantcentrum is still existing - it just moved. I assume it’s bigger
than
 before, but I couldn’t visit it yet since when I was there on our way back
 to Berlin from the Normandy we were too late (it closes at 17:00). The new
 address is Balstraat 16.

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Re: [lace] Re: [lace] Question

[Clay Blackwell]

I was so fortunate to attend one of Anne-Marie's summer courses a number of 
years ago. I would love to be able to do that again, but sadly, I know that 
this won't happen.  Anne Marie has announced that she is retiring from 
teaching.  A number of her students, including Anny Noben-Slegers, are also 
sharply cutting the distances they travel to teach.  

One of the group, Kumiko, is taking on the role of traveling and teaching, as 
she is younger.  I look forward to meeting her and working with her.

Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA, USA

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 The Kantcentrum  is now in the old lace school, I am currently in a Binche 4
 class with Anne-Marie (there are 14 of us and two other courses going on at
 the same time)  There is a museum (and shop) on the ground floor with some
 interactive displays, now back to the designing ..
 
 Susan
 Www.susanroberts.info
 
 
 on 7/7/15 8:52 AM, Achim Siebert ac...@achims.de wrote:
 
 Hello Dee,
 the Kantcentrum is still existing - it just moved. I assume it’s bigger
 than
 before, but I couldn’t visit it yet since when I was there on our way back
 to Berlin from the Normandy we were too late (it closes at 17:00). The new
 address is Balstraat 16.
 
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Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace

[Marianne Gallant]

Thanks to all who answered/explained. It does make more sense once you 
know why there is a difference. I will try the different way of doing 
things, at least while I am working through this book.  In the meantime 
I've also learned about a few other books on Chantilly lace. Books on 
Chantilly lace seem to be scarce, and even Lia's book is now out of 
print. I am in the process of ordering one out of Holland, and will 
order the other one from I think our only lace stuff supplier in Canada 
(that I know of) Trillium lace.
Lace books sure seem to go out of print rather quickly, and since they 
are so expensive, it becomes hard to buy them before they disappear 
from the market. Like, I just realized that Devon trolly lace is another 
point ground type lace, and I'd like to try them all, I see now that the 
first book is already out of print... i just can't keep up.
Achim, the temperatures here are very high as well, we've had 39-41 C a 
week ago, which is 10-15 degrees above normal, and it's getting up there 
again this weekend. We usually don't get those temperatures until 
sometime in August. And it has been super dry the last few months, the 
drought in California is spreading northward, so forest fires are 
proliferating, specially with people being stupid enough to throw 
burning cigarette butts out of car windows. And we've had quite a few 
thunderstorms as well, which bring lightning, and yes rain, sometimes 
excessive, but because the ground is so dry, it causes flooding and 
disappears very quickly after doing a lot of damage.


*Marianne*

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Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace

[Marianne Gallant]

I have this book coming in my next shipment. I ordered it from van 
Sciver, but she was out of stock last month. And I have also ordered 
some of the threads used in this book. Oh my, 25,000 pins per repeat or 
250 pairs? That is a lot of pins as well as bobbins. But I am starting 
to get there with the bobbins, slowly, ordering a few dozen every time I 
place any lace supply order. I don't know how many I have right now, but 
it is nowhere near 500 bobbins, at least not midlands ones, and I have 
trouble with unspangled bobbins rolling too much and end up having 
thread drift apart. I can use them if I am doing something with heavier 
thread, like for Torchon, but with the finer threads like for Bucks I 
really seem to need spangled ones. And I like the finer thread laced 
more than the heavier ones, though I have been doing some Milanese, and 
want to try some Idrija as well.
And I see that Ulrike has a new book out on the Barjac Ombree, which I 
am going to order in the near future as well, it looks interesting. Ugh, 
them dollar signs are starting to add up again.

*Marianne*

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On 03/07/2015 9:06 AM, Achim Siebert wrote:
 If you’d like a really nice book with beautiful Chantilly patterns 
 (including Ombrée) I highly recommend Ulrike Voelcker’s „Schwarzarbeit 
 Band 2“. It has meticulously drawn diagrams showing every pair of 
 bobbins, so even complex patterns are rather easy to follow. It has 69 
 patterns in total, so there’s something for everyone, including a 
 pattern with about 25.000 pinholes per repeat (!), needing about 250 
 pairs of bobbins, so it might be the one and only pattern you’ll ever 
 work on ;-). It’s written in German and English. None of my other 
 books come closer to what I prefer in lace: Art Nouveau / Art Deco 
 style, flowing lines and wonderful shading.

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Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace

[Achim Siebert]

Hello Marianne,

 Like, I just realized that Devon trolly lace is another point ground type
lace, and I'd like to try them all, I see now that the first book is already
out of print... i just can't keep up.


You wont miss much there IMHO - it’s not different from Bucks point and the
patterns in that book are nothing really special. Though it has a quite
interesting historical part.

If you’d like a really nice book with beautiful Chantilly patterns (including
Ombrée) I highly recommend Ulrike Voelcker’s „Schwarzarbeit Band 2“. It has
meticulously drawn diagrams showing every pair of bobbins, so even complex
patterns are rather easy to follow. It has 69 patterns in total, so there’s
something for everyone, including a pattern with about 25.000 pinholes per
repeat (!), needing about 250 pairs of bobbins, so it might be the one and
only pattern you’ll ever work on ;-). It’s written in German and English.
None of my other books come closer to what I prefer in lace: Art Nouveau / Art
Deco style, flowing lines and wonderful shading.
And it’s still available (e.g. here:
http://www.barbara-fay.de/j2/index.php/en/component/virtuemart/bobbin-lace/sc
hwarzarbeit-2-detail?Itemid=0
http://www.barbara-fay.de/j2/index.php/en/component/virtuemart/bobbin-lace/s
chwarzarbeit-2-detail?Itemid=0).

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Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace

[AGlez]

Hello Marianne,

Adele has already given you a perfect explanation. I agree that you should
always follow the instructions and method used by the teacher or the book.
When buying books or magazines, we must always make sure which method is
using the writer. So it is convenient to get used to reading and
understanding both methods, as that is what we are going to find when we
are trying different teachers and books. It is really a good advantage to
be able to read both languages.

Originally, the method used depended on the lace pillow used and the type
of lace worked. If the bobbins hang from the pins (as happens with our
Spanish vertical pillows or with bolster pillows) the open method is used,
as the bobbins get tangled anyway and you have to check the twists before
starting a new stitch. But in round pillows (or block pillows or similar),
where the bobbins lay in horizontal and stay there, the closed method is
used.

With one method you start with the twists and with the other you end with
them. But the same stitch is made and the result is exactly the same.

So, best wishes and keep telling us about your experience!



Antje González
​, from Spain, with a too unpleasant heat wave!​

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Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace

[Carolinadgg]

This is a very clarifying explanation, as sometimes different lacemaking 
methods with similar results lead to confusion. It is important to understand , 
 the how and why teachers  make things in one or another way. In this case 
for practical reasons according with used pillows.
Thanks

Carolina de la Guardia
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Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace

[Achim Siebert]

Chantilly is different in some minor respects - you’ll find out working through 
Lia’s examples.
Then again: if you don’t want/need to work in a historically correct way, you 
could simply work the pieces as you are used to for Bucks (you could even 
mirror the pattern to have the edge on the other side - but this shouldn’t be 
necessary if you already did some bookmarks - there you have worked both sides 
anyway). Though bundling threads to go with the gimp for a while doesn’t occur 
in Bucks as far as I remember (too lazy to get out my books now, it’s too hot 
here …).
As others said before: it doesn’t really matter if you work open (ending with 
twists) or closed (ending with cross). Antje’s description describes what I do: 
work closed on flemish pillows, where the bobbins don’t dangle and wont get in 
a different order easily, and work open on the German bolster pillows. Once you 
get to understand what’s really happening with your threads, you’ll see that 
the result is the same and you’ll even be able to switch methods in the middle 
of work - even if you’ll come back to your pillow much later, you’ll see at a 
glance if you already did the twists or not.

Anyway: have fun with your Chantilly. After seeing some gorgeous pieces in the 
Normandy a few weeks ago, I still think it’s my favourite type of lace (and 
Blonde, a variant made in Caen, and interestingly also in Barcelona).

Best from Berlin, where it’s going to be nearly as hot as in Spain (39 °C 
expected for Sunday). I’d rather be in Catalunya right now, though - the heat 
is much more bearable at the sea and I love Spanish food and the people (hoping 
no Catalán is reading this, it’s actually different from the rest of Spain, 
even the language). Achim.

 Now I am wondering if this is just a quirk of Lia's or if Chantilly lace 
 is really done different from Bucks. 

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[lace] question about Chantilly lace

[Marianne Gallant]

Hi,

I am thinking of starting some Chantilly lace, which I have never done 
before. I have the workshop book by Lia Baumeister, and looking at it I 
am a bit confused. I have done Buckspoint, which is very similar, with 
quite a few stitches the same, but I am seeing with this book that some 
seem to be backwards.
For one thing, the footside is on the left, while I am used to having 
the footside on the right. That should be easy enough to get used to, 
but what will really throws me off is that the ground stitch is done 
backwards, she does it TTTC, while with Bucks it is CTTT. Am I going to 
run into problems if I do it CTTT as well in the Chantilly? The same 
with the honeycomb stitch, which in Bucks is CTTpinCTT, but in the 
Chantilly is TTCpinTTC.
Now I am wondering if this is just a quirk of Lia's or if Chantilly lace 
is really done different from Bucks. That really makes me question if I 
want to even attempt Chantilly, because I am going to have trouble 
remembering which way I am supposed to do the stitches depending on 
which lace I am working on.

*Marianne*

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[lace] question about Chantilly lace

[Lorelei Halley]

Marianne
Lacemakers on the continent habitually put the footside on the left. And as
you say, that is a relatively easy thing to deal with.

As to CTTT or TTTC, etc. - don't worry about it. Just be sure to put twists in
where needed. Make sure that as ground pairs enter the foot, or leave the
foot, they have the same number of twists between the foot passives and the
ground.  If you work it CTTT just remember to give the ground pair enough
twists before it works through another pair.

The really weird thing that I know about in Chantilly is a peculiar way they
have of starting a half stitch motif.  But if you are working through Lia's
lesson materials, her diagrams will explain that where it is relevant.

Don't be discouraged, and don't stop.  Just be sure to show us pictures!
Lorelei

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Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace

[Adele Shaak]

Hi Marianne:

Structurally there is no difference between these two methods, which are called 
the ‘open pin’ (TTTC) or the ‘closed pin’ (CTTT) method, and Chantilly can be 
made either way. (In Ulrike Voelcker’s  book “The Grammar of Point Ground” she 
uses the closed pin method.)

With the open pin method, at the end of the stitch all of the threads are 
hanging side by side with no twists. As a result, if a bobbin gets out of 
place, it is very easy for beginners to see the mistake. With the closed pin 
method, all the the pairs are left twisted and for beginners, if one bobbin 
hops over another it can be difficult to see the problem.

What method is used depends on the teacher’s method and teaching plan. It is 
helpful for you if, in following the book, you do the lace the way the teacher 
says, because there will be a difference if the teacher has specified 
additional twists. For example, if the teacher is using the open method and is 
laying in a gimp, she might have directions that read something like “put up 
the pin at A and put two twists on the right-hand pair”. If you are using the 
closed pin method you will already have three twists on that pair, and you need 
to realize that you ought to take off one twist, rather than put on two more.

If you start using the open pin method just for this book, I am sure you will 
soon find it quite easy. When I was brand new to lacemaking, I learned from 
Doris Southward’s book, which uses the open method. The first time I had a 
teacher, it was at a conference, and she used the closed pin method. It was not 
an easy class for either me or the teacher, but I think having the early 
exposure to both working methods made me a much better lacemaker in the end.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


 I am thinking of starting some Chantilly lace, which I have never done 
 before. I have the workshop book by Lia Baumeister, and looking at it I 
 am a bit confused. I have done Buckspoint, which is very similar, with 
 quite a few stitches the same, but I am seeing with this book that some 
 seem to be backwards.
 For one thing, the footside is on the left, while I am used to having 
 the footside on the right. That should be easy enough to get used to, 
 but what will really throws me off is that the ground stitch is done 
 backwards, she does it TTTC, while with Bucks it is CTTT. Am I going to 
 run into problems if I do it CTTT as well in the Chantilly? The same 
 with the honeycomb stitch, which in Bucks is CTTpinCTT, but in the 
 Chantilly is TTCpinTTC.
 Now I am wondering if this is just a quirk of Lia's or if Chantilly lace 
 is really done different from Bucks. That really makes me question if I 
 want to even attempt Chantilly, because I am going to have trouble 
 remembering which way I am supposed to do the stitches depending on 
 which lace I am working on.
 
 *Marianne*

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Re: [lace] Question about beads

[AGlez]

And what about sequins? Can they also cut the thread? I have never used
them, but are now wondering...

Thanks a lot for all your contributions on this subject!

Best wishes from Spain: lovely spring weather today.
​

--

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Re: [lace] Question about beads - conservation files

[Jeriames]

Dear Antje,

You asked about sequins.  There is more than one type of sequin or  similar
attachment for lace and they are made from different  materials.  There are
probably manufacturers in many  countries and they may have different ways
of manufacturing sequins.  I  suggest you draw thread through the holes in a
few sequins available to  you, to test if the thread is damaged.  You will
also want  to test for color transfer from sequins (all colors in a
manufacturer's line),  and how they react to water.  Old sequins were made of
gelatin and  they will dissolve in water, so test old supplies.

Special metal sequins - called spangles - are mentioned in Gil  Dye's 2012
Gold  Silver Edgings - 16th and 17th Century Lace -  Book 1, on page 9.
They are used in Gil's reconstructions of lace  edgings.  At the time of
publication, there were no suppliers and her  spangles had to be made by
hand..
 Now, in 2015, spangles  are available.  They are hand cut from gilt silver
specifically for  bobbin lace, priced $1.50 US per piece!  A maker was
found, because  spangles were needed for the recreation of the Layton jacket
in
Plimoth  Plantation, Plymouth Massachusetts (search our archives if you wish
to know more  details).  Devon was a volunteer lacemaker for this project.
Few  people will use these spangles, but you need to be aware of them since
you are a  lace expert in Spain, Antje.  The US retail supplier can be
found  at:

http://thistle-threads.myshopify.com/collections/accessories

It is also possible to get small flat sequins that have been made from
metal.   I have used these in blackwork embroidery on linen, as was  done in
the 16th century.  They were supplied by an Embroiderers'  Guild teacher, and
are not available from hobby shops.

You need to test anything foreign that you work into laces.  And  those
who are now making types of laces that will be washed should test all  med
ium-dark colors for colorfastness.  We personally know  that in the late
1970's
DMC changed dye formulations due to  enactment of new water pollution laws.
 DMC did not make the new  colored threads colorfast.  Bad corporate
decision.  Those who spent  many hours embroidering and then washed their
projects
had a very bad  result that could not be reversed.  (If you have old DMC
thread in  your stash, you need to know this!   Set aside some time, test your
 old threads, and throw away those that bleed.)

Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center




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And what  about sequins? Can they also cut the thread? I have never used
them, but  are now wondering...

Antje  González
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Re: [lace] Question about beads

[AGlez]

I imagine that you mean that the thread can break while working with it...
Or can it also happen that it breaks after you have made the lace, once you
are using it?

I had never thought of this before until Pene asked. It has never happened
to me... Do you think it can depend on the type of thread you use? Some are
more resistant than others...

Best wishes from a curious lacemaker from Spain
--

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Re: [lace] Question about beads

[Kathleen Harris]

It would certainly happen both while you were making the lace and later, when 
it was being used, if you used sharp bugle beads. With the metal ones, I am not 
so sure. It would probably be fine in the making, but wear through the thread 
later. I don't think it would matter what thread you used - linen and silk 
would resist a little longer than cotton, but would break in the end, I think

Kathleen
In sunny Berkshire, UK, where we could do with some rain for the garden!

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 I imagine that you mean that the thread can break while working with it...
 Or can it also happen that it breaks after you have made the lace, once you
 are using it?
 
 I had never thought of this before until Pene asked. It has never happened
 to me... Do you think it can depend on the type of thread you use? Some are
 more resistant than others...
 
 Best wishes from a curious lacemaker from Spain
 --
 
 Antje González
 www.vueltaycruz.es
 
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[lace] Question about beads

[pene piip]

I'm interested in hearing from anyone that has had the
experience of beads cutting the thread in their lace.

Please tell:
What size  type of beads were being used?
And what size  type of thread was being used?

Thanks,
Penelope
An Aussie lacemaker in Tartu, Estonia

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Re: [lace] Question about beads

[Sue Duckles]

I would agree with Kathleen here.  Bugle beads or beads with chips should be 
avoided at almost all costs when you are making anything involving beads.  The 
only way to get around the challenge with bugle beads is to put a seed bead at 
either end of the bugle bead.  Then the thread isn't rubbing on the edge of the 
bugle bead!!

Sue in East Yorkshire where it's sunny'ish at the moment!!


On 15 Jun 2015, at 10:33, Kathleen Harris wrote:

 I have not used beads in my lace very often, but I find that bugle beads -
 the long slim ones - often cut the thread when I am beading! And that is
 nylon beading thread. I think that bugle beads are cut from a tube and,
 unless they are very good quality, have sharp edges. It doesn't seem to
 happen with other beads, which seem to be finished better. Of course you can
 get an occasional bead with a chip, but that is very rare. It is bugle beads
 which I tend to avoid, even in beading.

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RE: [lace] Question about beads

[Kathleen Harris]

I have not used beads in my lace very often, but I find that bugle beads -
the long slim ones - often cut the thread when I am beading! And that is
nylon beading thread. I think that bugle beads are cut from a tube and,
unless they are very good quality, have sharp edges. It doesn't seem to
happen with other beads, which seem to be finished better. Of course you can
get an occasional bead with a chip, but that is very rare. It is bugle beads
which I tend to avoid, even in beading.

Kathleen
In sunny Berkshire, UK.

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Subject: [lace] Question about beads

I'm interested in hearing from anyone that has had the
experience of beads cutting the thread in their lace.

Please tell:
What size  type of beads were being used?
And what size  type of thread was being used?

Thanks,
Penelope
An Aussie lacemaker in Tartu, Estonia

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Re: [lace] Question about beads

[Ilske Thomsen]

I used several times beads in my laces. In no case happened anything like 
cutting the thread or the finished lace. 

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Question about beads

[Sue Babbs]

As well as bugles, I was advised by a bead teacher that some of the round 
metal beads (not glass beads) can wear through thread.  So I avoided trying 
them.


Sue 


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Fwd: [lace] Question about beads

[Barbara Engle]

BE CAREFUL  when using Swarovski crystals, too...I always  use seed beads on
each opening any time I am working with thread.   This might even be true of
crystals from other countries, also.  As I never use these, I cannot say.
BarbE



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 As well as bugles, I was advised by a bead teacher that some of the round
metal beads (not glass beads) can wear through thread.  So I avoided trying
them.

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[lace] Lace question on a quiz show

[Jean Nathan]

On the UK TV show 'Tipping Point' on Sunday evening the question in the
category labelled 'Hobbies' was Which of these were the towns of Honiton and
Nottingham famous for? Three options were given. Of those, the answer wanted
was lace.

I'd hardly call the Honiton and Nottingham lace industries a hobby!

Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] question on Greek Lace book

[Jeriames]

Dear Chris,
 
First, using the Panix address to Arachne means your letter may get lost in 
 ether instead of going to our archives, so someone looking for it in near  
future may not find it!  However, this reply will make it through, so your  
request is covered because most of your words have been kept - below my  
memo.
 
Look at: 
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html 
 
to see what is there.  I put Greek Lace in the search box and brought  up 2 
pages of memos from a variety of our experienced members.  My first  
(6/30/13) and last memos on page 1 (which may move to page 2 because of today's 
 
correspondence) provide information about books and hint at how early lace  
makers moved from place to place.
 
The book you asked about is one of a pair by Tatiana Ioannou-Yannara, a  
Greek author.  You should expect an expert on Greek Lace to be writing from  
her perspective.  Several European countries like to claim to be the  
first.  They name laces according to their national tradition (some laces  
have 
many names), and what they call a lace may not fit your understanding of  
what is a lace.
 
1.  1989 - Lace: Greek Threadwork   (Needle lace) 
2.  1990 - Bobbin Lace: Greek Threadwork
 Cost $75 each as used books in 1999.
 
Lace at Arachne began in 1995, well after these books were  published.  
They are the kind of books I would normally review immediately  after 
publication, if we knew they existed.  The various lace guilds often  write 
about old 
books in their Bulletins, and maybe someone can tell  you of a review.
 
Otherwise, please go to see what we all have to say about Greek Lace.  
 
You are in Michigan, a state with a large local lace guild, which is  why 
you found the book.  It was probably donated by a lace  maker!  If you belong 
to the America-based Lace  Guild, the International Organization of Lace, 
you can borrow lace  books from them at reasonable cost.  Move to the second 
half  of the book list (address below) and search by Author name.  By lace  
category will take longer, and many books have the same Title, which is  
confusing.
 
http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html
 
I did not find either of these books under Ioannou or Yannara.   However 
other books listed in my Arachne memo of 6/30/13 may be available.   You 
should also always look at Bibliographies in books you find most  useful.
 
Lace Guilds rely on donations to provide their selections for  members.  My 
personal Lace Library contains over 1,000 titles.  There  are another 3,000 
titles on embroidery and other related topics.  A  huge investment.  I 
write for many people through Arachne, and do not  usually do research for 
individuals. That would be a full-time job.   It would be wonderful to have a 
free fully-dedicated lace researcher  available in America, wouldn't it?  A 
discussion topic,  everyone! 
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

In a message dated 5/9/2014 9:31:13 A.M.  gypsy.v...@gmail.com  writes:
 
I'm not  in a good position to search the archives, has anyone done a review
of this  book:
Lace: Greek Threadwork by Tatiana  Ioannou-yannara

http://books.google.com/books/about/Lace.html?id=4s8jqAAACAAJ

I  was paging through, and noticed several needle lace pieces made in the
17th  century that I've seen in other books as punto in aria or reticella,
but  this is the only place I've ever seen it called Greek lace - more to
the  point, that author seems to be saying it's *commonly known as* Greek  
or
Cretan lace, which I've never heard before.

Mind you, I'm not at  all debating where the pieces were made - I believe
they were found in  Crete, or are at least currently in their museum. I
don't work in needle  lace enough to have done much research on origins of
particular styles. I'm  just trying to figure out if there's something I've
missed, since I  specialize in making 16th and early 17th century lace, and
want to make  sure I know what I'm talking about!

Chris - currently wandering amongst  books in Kalamazoo Michigan

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Re: [lace] Question about lace coasters

[Sue Harvey]

The handbag mirrors are really good, and quick and easy to make , I have made 
one each for most of my female family and friends and all have been greeted 
with thanks and I notice regularly used. And they come with a nice little 
velvet pouch to carry them.

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk
U.K.

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Re: [lace] Question about lace coasters

[robinlace]

 J D Hammett jdhamm...@msn.com wrote: 
Framecraft (sold by several lace traders) does small ceramic and glass pots

In the US, Nordic Needle http://www.nordicneedle.com/ and other embroidery 
suppliers sell lovely wood boxes with inserts in the lid for pictures, 
embroideries, or lace bits.  The different boxes have take different size areas 
for the work, so you can find uses for a variety of pieces.  Just thought I'd 
add to the list of places to look.


Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
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Parvum leve mentes capiunt
(Little things amuse little minds)

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[lace] Question about lace coasters

[Shelly]

Hello spiders! I do hope everyone has survived the cold weather and 
snows we have had in the US and elsewhere.

I have been thinking of ways to display and use my lace pieces.
The one piece is a square and after thinking about it some I thought it 
would be great inside a coaster form. Does anyone know of anyplace to 
find such a thing?
I am thinking something along the lines of acrylic cover that would 
protect the lace but be functional as a coaster. Does that make sense?

Thanks!
Shell, who is in training at a new job and working on some simple 
torchon lace Pricking is done, just need to finish winding the 
bobbins for it!


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Re: [lace] Question about lace coasters

[Karen M. Zammit Manduca]

You can buy acrylic coasters that open to take lace (or other items).
There are those of normal thickness and others that are deeper for
thicker items. An internet search should quickly result in a source
closest to you.
Karen in Malta

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Re: [lace] Question about lace coasters

[Sue]

Hi Shelly,
I am just about to complete two coasters just as you describe.  Not sure 
which country you are in but I am in the UK and have purchased the acrylic 
coasters from Clairs lace in Bournemouth.  I chose her as I have purchased 
them from her  direct at a lace day and when I ran out I purchased via phone 
so knew they were right for my project.  They are not huge and only take a 
smallish piece of lace, could measure mine if it would help.

again just a satisfied customer.
These make a nice useful object, a lovely way to show lace and nice for 
gifts.  I have gifted several of these in the last couple of years.

Sue T
Dorset UK


Hello spiders! I do hope everyone has survived the cold weather and
snows we have had in the US and elsewhere.
I have been thinking of ways to display and use my lace pieces.
The one piece is a square and after thinking about it some I thought it
would be great inside a coaster form. Does anyone know of anyplace to
find such a thing?
I am thinking something along the lines of acrylic cover that would
protect the lace but be functional as a coaster. Does that make sense?
Thanks!
Shell, who is in training at a new job and working on some simple
torchon lace Pricking is done, just need to finish winding the
bobbins for it!

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Re: [lace] Question about lace coasters

[Malvary Cole]

Shelley asked: The one piece is a square and after thinking about it some I 
thought it

would be great inside a coaster form. Does anyone know of anyplace to
find such a thing?  I am thinking something along the lines of acrylic cover 
that would

protect the lace but be functional as a coaster.

One of our local photographic stores carries a line of coasters, designed to 
take a photo.

They are in a set of 4 (if I remember correctly).

Depending on the size of the piece of lace this might be a solution.

Malvary in Ottawa where it is actually +3c today, but it is dropping to -9 
again tonight.  But the 3 days respite from the bitter cold has been lovely. 


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Re: [lace] Question about lace coasters

[Adele Shaak]

Depending on the size it might be difficult to find a pre-made coaster form 
that will fit a completed piece. I have been pondering how to make a coaster 
out of a piece of lace without harming it, and I came up with this:

Couldn't you cut two pieces of Mylar - a top and a bottom - into the 
appropriate size and shape, use archival glue to seal the Mylar around the 
edges, and then just glue a piece of cork or leather on the bottom?

What do you think? After all, at the archives they seal old maps in Mylar to 
protect them, so I don't think the lace would be harmed, and if it turned out 
to be a bad thing you could always just cut open the sealed Mylar sandwich and 
retrieve your lace.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)
 
On 2014-01-14, at 8:54 AM, Shelly wrote:

 Hello spiders! I do hope everyone has survived the cold weather and snows we 
 have had in the US and elsewhere.
 I have been thinking of ways to display and use my lace pieces.
 The one piece is a square and after thinking about it some I thought it would 
 be great inside a coaster form. Does anyone know of anyplace to find such a 
 thing?
 I am thinking something along the lines of acrylic cover that would protect 
 the lace but be functional as a coaster. 

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Re: [lace] Question about lace coasters

[Bev Walker]

Hello Shelly and everyone

There are some varieties for example here:
http://yarntree.com/cross-stitch/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=132_225

but if those would be too small for your lace, how about a glass plate for
a temporary cover?


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Shelly she11yg...@verizon.net wrote:


 The one piece is a square and after thinking about it some I thought it
 would be great inside a coaster form. Does anyone know of anyplace to find
 such a thing?


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Question about lace coasters

[Shelly]

That is a really cool idea,  Adele! I am just trying to think of ways to 
use the small pieces I am making in decorating around the house. Only so 
many spots to put up framed pieces, and figured it might be fun to 
display the lace in different and unexpected ways.
Thank you - I shall play with this idea with some fabric first to make 
sure it works.

Shelly
So excited to get done winding bobbins.. Have got to find a house elf to 
help with it at times!


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Re: [lace] Question about lace coasters

[J D Hammett]

Hi Shelly and fellow Arachnids,

Framecraft (sold by several lace traders) does small ceramic and glass pots 
with lids that take a small piece of lace or embroidery. SMP used to do 
wooden hand-turned boxes with the same type of lids which their son made, 
they have other display pieces as well. Roseground also does display pieces. 
There are handbag mirrors that take a small piece of lace also sold by a 
number of traders. It will pay you to trawl the net and see what is out 
there. You might even find something that no-one else has thought about to 
use :-).


Joepie, East Sussex, UK


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Subject: Re: [lace] Question about lace coasters

That is a really cool idea,  Adele! I am just trying to think of ways to
use the small pieces I am making in decorating around the house. Only so
many spots to put up framed pieces, and figured it might be fun to
display the lace in different and unexpected ways.

Shelly

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[lace] question for metallic thread jewellery thanks

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone

Thank you for all the answers to my question, lots of useful tips for
metallic thread creations, and wire lace too.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Bev Walker walker.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone

 For bobbin lace jewellery of metallic thread that touches the skin
 (bracelet, necklace) I would welcome any tips to prevent or reduce
 scratching on the skin.
 A couple of us were discussing,


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC,  a fine Thanksgiving day on beautiful Vancouver Island,
west coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] question for metallic thread jewellery

[Jeriames]

From a conservator's point of view, glue is always a last resort because it 
 causes long-term problems of discoloration and disintegration of many  
materials to which it is applied.
 
Backing with dots of moleskin sounds like a solution.  Think in terms  of 
the size of a sequin, with one hole.  Punch a hole with a sharp needle  in 
the center of moleskin dot.  Use a finer needle and cotton or silk  thread to 
secure in place, sewing up from the outside edge into the center hole  in 
about 3 equally-spaced stitches (as you would applique).  This can be  
removed, and will not damage the original piece of metallic lace.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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On 2013-10-11, at 10:17 AM, Bev Walker wrote:
 For bobbin lace  jewellery of metallic thread that touches the skin
 (bracelet, necklace)  I would welcome any tips to prevent or reduce
 scratching on the  skin.

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[lace] question for metallic thread jewellery

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone

For bobbin lace jewellery of metallic thread that touches the skin
(bracelet, necklace) I would welcome any tips to prevent or reduce
scratching on the skin.
A couple of us were discussing, thought silicon hand cream might help - on
the skin anyway. Could the thread be coated with something protective,
whilst retaining its glitter?
Ideas or experiences anyone?
-- 
Bev on a calm day in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island,
west coast of Canada
latest project: ski tracks in Russian tape lace

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Re: [lace] question for metallic thread jewellery

[La]

Although it may lose a little of the lacey effect, you could mount the piece
to a thin strip of ultra suede to keep it off of the skin.  There are many
pretty colors, including a nude/skin tone.
 
Laura
New Mexico, USA

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To:
Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 11:17 AM
Subject:
[lace] question for metallic thread jewellery
  

Hello everyone

For bobbin
lace jewellery of metallic thread that touches the skin
(bracelet, necklace) I
would welcome any tips to prevent or reduce
scratching on the skin.
A couple
of us were discussing, thought silicon hand cream might help - on
the skin
anyway. Could the thread be coated with something protective,
whilst retaining
its glitter?
Ideas or experiences anyone?
-- 
Bev on a calm day in Shirley BC,
near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island,
west coast of Canada
latest project:
ski tracks in Russian tape lace

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Re: [lace] question for metallic thread jewellery

[Ilske Thomsen]

Bev,
all those metallic jewellery I worked didn't scratch the skin. Important is to 
work properly the endings and try to make them smooth with sandpaper or put a 
bit of uncolored varnish on them.
Good luck 

Ilske

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Re: [lace] question for metallic thread jewellery

[Malvary Cole]

I have a glass pendant, but the metal hanger at the top of it always made a 
sore patch as it is rough and cheapish metal too.  I just carefully painted 
the back of it with clear acrylic nail polish.  It doesn't show, and it is 
certainly much more comfortable to wear.


Perhaps the careful use of nail polish would help.

Malvary in Ottawa where we have a lovely sunny autumn day. 


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Re: [lace] question for metallic thread jewellery

[suebabbs385]

I have very sensitive skin and find that metallic threads itch and scratch. 
The only  comfortable one that I've found is Bijoux Metallics (don't use 
Accentuate, as it is too stretchy for bobbin lace).  Bijoux only comes in 
muted colours but makes very good lace




Sue

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Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:17 PM
To: Arachne
Subject: [lace] question for metallic thread jewellery

Hello everyone

For bobbin lace jewellery of metallic thread that touches the skin

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Re: [lace] question for metallic thread jewellery

[Adele Shaak]

Hi Bev:

Somebody has already mentioned backing it - but I'm thinking you might not need 
to back the whole thing - maybe if there are some opaque areas of cloth stitch 
you could back just those, with the idea that the backing will hold the rest of 
the piece away from the skin. Glue on a bit of moleskin or a dot of leather.

Or if you haven't made the piece yet, while you're working the cloth stitch 
area you could hang in two pairs of non-metallic thread and use them to work a 
raised tally on the back of the piece. Do that in three areas and voila - 
built-in non-scratchy backing.

Hope this helps.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

On 2013-10-11, at 10:17 AM, Bev Walker wrote:

 Hello everyone
 
 For bobbin lace jewellery of metallic thread that touches the skin
 (bracelet, necklace) I would welcome any tips to prevent or reduce
 scratching on the skin.
 A couple of us were discussing, thought silicon hand cream might help - on
 the skin anyway. Could the thread be coated with something protective,
 whilst retaining its glitter?
 Ideas or experiences anyone?
 -- 
 Bev 

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Re: [lace] Question - good reference books for needlelace

[robinlace]

 Chris Brill-Packard cbpu...@yahoo.com wrote: 
I am looking for the idea
of books that a needlelacer might go back to over and over as they try to
learn new stitches and the techniques.-

Hi, Chris
I don't consider this a beginner's how-to book, but my very most favorite 
needlelace reference is Catherine Barley's.  It has chapters on a variety of 
types of needlelace, with clear directions and great eye-candy for inspiration.

Just my opinion, of course.  Usual disclaimers.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
robinl...@socal.rr.com

Parvum leve mentes capiunt
(Little things amuse little minds)

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[lace] lace question - good reference books for needlelace

[Lorelei Halley]

Chris
We have been collecting book, video, and online resources for needle lace for
over 2 years on needlelacetalk.
http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/group/beginners

In the long verbal section under the group icon are links to book lists, etc.

Lorelei

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[lace] Question - good reference books for needlelace

[Chris Brill-Packard]

I  have only taken two workshops in Needlelace.  My bobbin lace group
expressed having a few meetings to learn needlelace.   Can anyone share ideas
of books that are good reference materials to support doing this?   I know
there are many books out there that would be great.  I am looking for the idea
of books that a needlelacer might go back to over and over as they try to
learn new stitches and the techniques.

Chris Brill-Packard

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Re: [lace] Question - good reference books for needlelace

[Clay Blackwell]

Hi Chris,

I have two very nice books on Needlelace that would meet your requirements!  
The newer of the two is Needlelace, Designs and Techniques by Catherine 
Barley.  Published by Batsford, 2001, ISBN 0 7134 8688 0.  However, I am not 
sure but it may be OOP.  

The second book is needle Lace, Techniques and Inspiration by Jill Nordfors 
Clark.  1999, Hand Books Press,  ISBN 0-9658248-5-3.  I am fairly certain that 
this is also OOP.

I went to Abe Books online and found copies of both books.  However, I should 
warn you that the prices for Catherine's books are alarming!  They range from 
$150 to $978!!!   The prices for Jill's book(s) are more reasonable.

Catherine is active on Arachne, and may be able to offer you more suggestions.

Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA, USA

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On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:05 AM, Chris Brill-Packard cbpu...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I  have only taken two workshops in Needlelace.  My bobbin lace group
 expressed having a few meetings to learn needlelace.   Can anyone share ideas
 of books that are good reference materials to support doing this?   I know
 there are many books out there that would be great.  I am looking for the idea
 of books that a needlelacer might go back to over and over as they try to
 learn new stitches and the techniques.
 
 

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Re: [lace] question - Answer may be Nancy Evans

[Jeriames]

Dear Ilske,
 
There is a Nancy Evans near Seattle who is a lace dealer (I have purchased  
from her).  She identifies lace, and teaches needle lace.   She was on the 
faculty of the International Old Lacers convention last year (and  I think 
will be on faculty again this year).  I have taken classes with  her.  I will 
send you precise contact instructions privately.   
 
Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center  

 
In a message dated 6/24/2012 8:32:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ilske.l.thom...@t-online.de writes:

Hello  All, 
sorry another not lace concerning question. Is there a Nancy living  in 
Seattle on our list? If so please answer me  privately,

Ilske

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RE: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? (was:Re: [lace] To Lynn...)

[lynrbailey]

I have responded to Susan privately.  lrb




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RE: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? (was:Re: [lace] To Lynn...)

[Lorri Ferguson]

In the past I, too, have tried to reply to a person's question and received
the message you must have permission (or some such phrase) to get in their in
box.  I 'applied' and go not response so did not actually 'answer the
question'.  I hope someone else was able to do so. I also get the 'symbols' in
place of punctuation marks in Lyn's emails.  I find it 'hard to read' and tend
to skip over them.I receive my emails thru Hotmail and Explorer and am using
Microsoft #7 on my computer.  That's about all in info I 'know' about my
experiences. Lorri FGraham, WA-where we are having the second 'sunny day
in a row'  maybe spring will come.
 
 Dear Spiders,

 With only curiosity, I am wondering about how some of our messages are
 appearing to each other in light of Clay's and Lyn's recent messages.
 Lyn's messages (as well as some others) appear to me (on AOL) with
 three diamonds filled with a question mark wherever there should be an
 apostrophe or quotation mark.  My eyes can adjust to figuring this out
 fairly easily and I don't think much about it.  A test attempt to reply
 to Lyn's message (without actually sending the reply) does not appear
 to be asking me to apply for any special permission as Clay was
 experiencing.  I am just wondering what other Arachneans' systems are
 experiencing with regard to how messages look, as well as special
 permissions like Clay described being requested (in general, not just
 to Lyn).  I have never had a request to apply for permission to reply
 to any email, to anyone with any system.  So is this unique to certain
 ISPs uniquely, or in specific combination with certain other ISPs?
 Avital, I think you are more savvy in these areas than most of us, so
 maybe you have an answer?  It reminds me of an old type of question
 such as, we all know what we identify as red (for example) looks
 like.but do we all really see the same thing? (Hope you know what I
 mean...and that doesn't sound too weird...((-;)  Just curious.

 Vicki in Maryland

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RE: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? (was:Re: [lace] To Lynn...)

[lynrbailey]

Dear Lorri,
In my circumstance, if you send it directly to me, and not through Arachne, it 
goes to an online folder, which I read right after my inbox stuff on my 
computer, and an automatic message is sent.  Mine now reads:

I apologize for this automatic reply to your email.

In order to control undesirable emails, all email senders not in my address 
book end up in an online email file.  I read it regularly, but if you want to 
be sure I recognize your email, ESPECIALLY if it is a new contact, or a 
business contact, PLEASE click on the link below.  What you then send will end 
up as a request in my Inbox on my computer.   I will then know you are a real 
person and have a legitimate reason to contact me, and will be sure to look for 
your email.  There is no need to resend the email.

Arachne members need do nothing unless you really want to.  I am looking for 
your email, and will respond if appropriate.  Feel free to erase this email.  I 
apologize for any inconvenience. 

There is also a signature line:
My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I 
read your emails.

I assure you I read the emails, especially the personal ones.  There are always 
exceptions to the rule, but that's the rule.  I try to answer all the personal 
emails. Sometimes, of course, life takes over.  

At least in my situation, the email sent to me, even in the online email file, 
is readable by me.  And I read them.  That's where my Arachne posts go.  Don't 
want to miss those.  Don't know what happens in any other circumstances.  I use 
earthlink and Windows 7.  

As for the apostrophe issue, there is some weird interface between my email and 
the arachne interface that does that.  I know that because if someone responds, 
I get to see the message with all the weird symbols.  Thus I try to write 
without apostrophes, but it aint always easy.  And for some, the email goes 
totally blank after the first apostrophe.  That is really not good.  It does 
not happen when I write directly to the person.  And some people get it just 
fine, I believe.  I have no clue what causes this.  Perhaps one of our computer 
gurus can answer that.  In this paragraph I have deleted 4 apostrophes. Lorri, 
in your paragraph below, you would have had to deal with 11 apostrophes. 
Besides trimming.   

Lorri Ferguson wrote:
In the past I, too, have tried to reply to a person's question and received
the message you must have permission (or some such phrase) to get in their in
box.  I 'applied' and go not response so did not actually 'answer the
question'.   I also get the 'symbols' in
place of punctuation marks in Lyn's emails.  I find it 'hard to read' and tend
to skip over them.

Lyn in Lancaster Pennsylvania, USA where it is good weather for making lace 
indoors with a pot of hot tea.  PG Tips.  


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Fw: Re: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? (was:Re: [lace] To Lynn...)

[lynrbailey]

-Forwarded Message-
From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net
Sent: Apr 22, 2012 4:36 PM
To: Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? 
(was:Re:  [lace] To Lynn...)

Dear Clay, 
Ahah!  Let us see if this is the case.  I am now sending in plain text.  I 
will throw in a few apostrophes and quotes, and see what happens.  I know the 
one I sent from my regular Windows Live email came back with funny symbols.  I 
will now proceed to put in a few apostrophe's, Quotation marks  And I'm off 
to the races.  
Lace content, am in the process of ordering batiste from Martha Pullen and 
it's like pulling teeth.  lrb


-Original Message-
From: Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net
Sent: Apr 22, 2012 3:55 PM
To: lynrbai...@desupernet.net
Subject: Re: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? 
(was:Re:  [lace] To Lynn...)

Lyn, it may have been while you were off-list that someone more 
computer-savy than I said that your server evidently is set to sent 
messages out in html.  The dinosaur program which Arachne is built on 
does not understand html, and so these strange figures pop up instead.  
So, the best thing to do is set your outgoing email preferences to 
plain text, especially when addressing Arachne.

Clay



My email sends out an automatic  message. Arachne members,
please ignore it. I read your emails.


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Re: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? (was:Re: [lace] To Lynn...)

[Lyn Bailey]

Woweee cazoonies!  (no clue, but it's not supposed to be off color)
All the apostrophes intact.  I just changed to plain text on my computer 
based email, Windows Live email, and it should work. Wonder what this will 
do to my other email.
Lace content, I'm still trying to order from Martha Pullen.  One yard of 
white batiste should not take this long to place an order.  We are not 
talking the response that, yes I've (there it is) got an order, but the 
original placing of an order.


-Original Message- 
From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net

Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 4:36 PM
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Fw: Re: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? 
(was:Re: [lace] To Lynn...)


-Forwarded Message-

From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net
Sent: Apr 22, 2012 4:36 PM
To: Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? 
(was:Re:  [lace] To Lynn...)


Dear Clay,
Ahah!  Let us see if this is the case.  I am now sending in plain text.  I 
will throw in a few apostrophes and quotes, and see what happens.  I know 
the one I sent from my regular Windows Live email came back with funny 
symbols.  I will now proceed to put in a few apostrophe's, Quotation 
marks  And I'm off to the races.
Lace content, am in the process of ordering batiste from Martha Pullen and 
it's like pulling teeth.  lrb



-Original Message-

From: Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net
Sent: Apr 22, 2012 3:55 PM
To: lynrbai...@desupernet.net
Subject: Re: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? 
(was:Re:  [lace] To Lynn...)


Lyn, it may have been while you were off-list that someone more
computer-savy than I said that your server evidently is set to sent
messages out in html.  The dinosaur program which Arachne is built on
does not understand html, and so these strange figures pop up instead.
So, the best thing to do is set your outgoing email preferences to
plain text, especially when addressing Arachne.

Clay




My email sends out an automatic  message. Arachne members,
please ignore it. I read your emails.



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Re: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? (was:Re: [lace] To Lynn...)

[Clay Blackwell]

Well done! (regarding the plain text!)

Now...  about the fabric order.  If you're getting this for 
handerchiefs, a yard will last well into the lifetimes of your heirs!!  
I think the pieces I got some time back were 60wide, but that may not 
be the case.  In any event, you may want to order the minimum amount of 
two different weights rather than full yards...


Just a suggestion!

And, since Avital is off at the moment (apparently), the other thing is 
to remember to trim text!  I'm the list's worst offender, so can attest 
to how quickly she will remind you that you're paralyzing the systems of 
those who get the digest!!


Clay

On 4/22/2012 4:49 PM, Lyn Bailey wrote:

Woweee cazoonies!  (no clue, but it's not supposed to be off color)
All the apostrophes intact.  I just changed to plain text on my 
computer based email, Windows Live email, and it should work. Wonder 
what this will do to my other email.
Lace content, I'm still trying to order from Martha Pullen.  One yard 
of white batiste should not take this long to place an order.  We are 
not talking the response that, yes I've (there it is) got an order, 
but the original placing of an order.




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RE: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? (was:Re: [lace] To Lynn...)

[Susan Reishus]

Lyn,

I don't think you are really hearing, nor realizing, what is being
said.  The message may come through to you whether the writer realizes it or
not, but we ALWAYS get this response from you/Earthlink no matter what, asking
us to fill out our info and it becomes tedium and insulting.  Everyone I have
known on Earthlink approves my email address the first time, so I don't have
to go through it again.  In writing you, sometimes this cycles several times
in a day, so if I write you twice, I may get six emails from you/Earthlink
back.  


I have asked you about it on a couple of occasions, and you just
said something like It is what it is or don't answer, so I stopped writing. 
You may see responses to you on the list, but you likely don't realize how
many you aren't getting, and I would guess it is quite a few.  It just feels
like a type of slap.  You take the time to write something and you get a form
of rejection letter...you are not approved and go through these steps to be
approved, but you never are...or perhaps I am in the minority.  It is not a
personal criticism, but an attempt for you to realize that it comes across to
people that they aren't valued by you, and that they have abundant time to
fill out forms.   That you have your say, but we don't get to respond back
(only via an endless loop message that comes over and over and over again).
Best,
Susan Reishus 

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Re: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? (was:Re: [lace] To Lynn...)

[J D Hammett]

Hi Arachnids,

Yes, I do get 'funny' marks in some emails as well (my ISP is BT) and I am 
not sure why. Normally I read around it, but occasionally one has to really 
stop and puzzle it out.  It would be interesting to know what causes this 
especially as I do not get it in any direct emails (not through a group).


I have no problems with asking for permission to send an email so far.

Happy lace making,

Joepie, East Sussex, UK
--

From: Vicki Bradford

Subject: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? (was:Re: 
[lace] To Lynn...)


Dear Spiders,

With only curiosity, I am wondering about how some of our messages are
appearing to each other in light of Clay's and Lyn's recent messages.
Lyn's messages (as well as some others) appear to me (on AOL) with
three diamonds filled with a question mark wherever there should be an
apostrophe or quotation mark.  I have never had a 
request to apply for permission to reply

to any email, to anyone with any system.  So is this unique to certain
ISPs uniquely, or in specific combination with certain other ISPs?
Avital, I think you are more savvy in these areas than most of us, so
maybe you have an answer?  .Just curious.

Vicki in Maryland

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Re: [lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?.

[Jeriames]

Dear Vicky,
 
Yes.  There have definitely been perceived problems communicating  with Lyn 
directly, and with the punctuation marks in her messages.  
 
Avital has been more than fair and diplomatic with suggestions to  
alleviate the problems.  
 
I have privately communicated with Lyn from time-to-time, and met the  
offending automatic suspect email  (her description)  message.  I just plowed 
through the interruption and sent my  message, and she received.  I share 
the feeling of being put off (insulted)  by her service provider's 
interruption.  I maintain a large personal  international correspondence, and 
this is 
the only one giving these  2 problems.
 
 
After giving this additional thought this morning, I remembered Lyn is an  
attorney (lawyer/barrister).  She once told me that she was assigned by the  
court system to represent some pretty hardened criminals.   She may need a 
correspondence protection solution for this reason --  one that protects her 
and the individuals writing to her.  It  just needs to be a solution that 
considers manners, and does  not imply we lace makers have criminal intent 
toward  her.   
 

Arachne offers a friendly way for lace makers to communicate.  I hope  this 
is soon remedied, so we can get back to pure LACE  correspondence.
 
Regards, Jeri
 

Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
 

 
In a message dated 4/20/2012 1:48:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
twohappyb...@aol.com writes:

Dear Spiders,
With only curiosity, I am wondering about how some of  our messages are 
appearing to each other in light of Clay's and Lyn's  recent messages.  
Lyn's messages (as well as some others) appear to  me (on AOL) with 
three diamonds filled with a question mark wherever there  should be an 
apostrophe or quotation mark.  My eyes can adjust to  figuring this out 
fairly easily and I don't think much about it.  A  test attempt to reply 
to Lyn's message (without actually sending the  reply) does not appear 
to be asking me to apply for any special permission  as Clay was 
experiencing.  I am just wondering what other Arachneans'  systems are 
experiencing with regard to how messages look, as well as  special 
permissions like Clay described being requested (in general, not  just 
to Lyn).  I have never had a request to apply..  
Vicki in  Maryland

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[lace] Question about appearance of messages on Arachne?? (was:Re: [lace] To Lynn...)

[Vicki Bradford]

Dear Spiders,

With only curiosity, I am wondering about how some of our messages are 
appearing to each other in light of Clay's and Lyn's recent messages.  
Lyn's messages (as well as some others) appear to me (on AOL) with 
three diamonds filled with a question mark wherever there should be an 
apostrophe or quotation mark.  My eyes can adjust to figuring this out 
fairly easily and I don't think much about it.  A test attempt to reply 
to Lyn's message (without actually sending the reply) does not appear 
to be asking me to apply for any special permission as Clay was 
experiencing.  I am just wondering what other Arachneans' systems are 
experiencing with regard to how messages look, as well as special 
permissions like Clay described being requested (in general, not just 
to Lyn).  I have never had a request to apply for permission to reply 
to any email, to anyone with any system.  So is this unique to certain 
ISPs uniquely, or in specific combination with certain other ISPs?  
Avital, I think you are more savvy in these areas than most of us, so 
maybe you have an answer?  It reminds me of an old type of question 
such as, we all know what we identify as red (for example) looks 
like.but do we all really see the same thing? (Hope you know what I 
mean...and that doesn't sound too weird...((-;)  Just curious.


Vicki in Maryland

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RE: [lace] Question - bobbin lace pattern for sailboat

[Andrea Lamble]

Dear Chris,

There is a tape lace sailing boat in Pamela Nottingham's book - Bobbin Lace
Making (ISBN 0713441321) on page 30.

Andrea
in a very dry Cambridge, UK


 Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 03:26:56 -0700
 From: cbpu...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [lace] Question - bobbin lace pattern for sailboat
 To: lace@arachne.com

 Hello Everyone,
 Does anyone have a bobbin lace pattern of a sailboat ?   I
 would greatly
 appreciate the source and how to purchase/obtain the pattern.
 It will be used
 as a raffle item for a local children's hospital next year.
 The group doing
 the raffle contains several sailing groups that attend the
 raffle.  Thank you.
 Chris Brill-Packard
 Western Reserve Lace Society
 Cleveland, Ohio area - where it seems to be raining endlessly this spring

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Re: [lace] Question - bobbin lace pattern for sailboat

[Laceandbits]

There was also a pattern of a sailboat under a rainbow with was given as a  
free internet pattern, via arachne, many years ago now.  It was in the  
days before we had broadband access and it was big files and took agaes to  
download.  I was able to use the pattern itself, but a lot of the  other files 
that were with it were large unrecognised format to my computer -  very 
frustrating after all the download time.  A few years ago,  I adapted it to a 
circle for a student to make in a big ring  to hang in her window.  It's made 
mostly in white thread,  with colours used for the rainbow, boat sails and 
pennant.
 
If anyone else remembers this pattern, knows if it is still  available, and 
has a link, I for one would like to try downloading it  again.  I'm far 
more computer literate these days and might be able to  access the other files. 
 It originated in Europe - Germany? Netherlands?  Possibly Sweden?
 
Jacquie in Lincolnshire

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[lace] Question - bobbin lace pattern for sailboat

[Chris Brill-Packard]

Hello Everyone, 
Does anyone have a bobbin lace pattern of a sailboat ?   I
would greatly 
appreciate the source and how to purchase/obtain the pattern.  
It will be used 
as a raffle item for a local children's hospital next year.  
The group doing 
the raffle contains several sailing groups that attend the
raffle.  Thank you. 
Chris Brill-Packard
Western Reserve Lace Society
Cleveland, Ohio area - where it seems to be raining endlessly this spring

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Re: [lace] Question - bobbin lace pattern for sailboat

[AGlez]

Hi Chris,

There are a few nice sail boats in Eeva Liisa Kortelahti's book Let's make
bobbin lace, ISBN 951-99922-3-5, reprinted in 1995.

The boats are inserted in a picture... I mean: it is not an isolated boat,
but  it also has a sea and a sky, making a square motive.

I hope I have made myself understood.

I bought my book directly to the author. But I suppose it is available in
some lace material shops...

Good luck.

Antje González, from Spain.

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[lace] question about needle tatting

[Sue T]

Having successfully achieved an acceptable needle tatted medalion I picked up
another pattern to try but it threw up a term I dont understand.   The start
is  Ring 1-1-1-1-1-1 close ring (ok up to here),
It next says  use make picot to move from ring to chain.  The rest of the
pattern seems understandable, justI haven't seen how a mock picot is worked.

Could someone explain to me (or show me where I might find descriptions of how
this is done) please.
I haven't found it in the Learn needle tatting book by Barbara Foster, which
doesn't actually mean it doesn't mention it, just I haven't found it
After a recent clean off my computer doesn't have some of the sites
bookmarked, Mark for instance!!
Sue T
Dorset UK

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RE: [lace] Question concerning metallic thread.

[Jo]

Hello Spiders

I happend to be assembling a blog-post on wire bobbins, part own images,
part links to images. Like Brian I cloud use some help on missing links. May
be French spiders could get the help from mono-lingual lacers for the origin
of the faked top-right image.

Jo

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Re: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

[Maureen Bromley]

How about a large diameter drinking straw cut into the length of the next of 
the bobbin, slit along one side and slipped over the thread.  I have 
used this.


Maureen
E Yorks UK

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Re: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

[lacelady]

Just a quick thought... if there's problems getting the metallic thread to 
start on the bobbin, try winding cotton thread down the length of the thread 
area first, to give the metallic thread something to cling to.  There's no rule 
that you have to use a bare bobbin.

Alice in Oregon ... expecting a record setting rainstorm for the next 48 hours, 
and my exhibit opening is in it.  Crowds may be small. G


- Original Message -
From: kar...@cox.net
It's been ages since I used any metallic thread in bobbin lace making.  I have 
a project where I will need 4 pairs of bobbins
wound with metallic thread, DMC.  How do you wind it so that it doesn't 
immediately unwind?  I even have the special wooden
bobbins with the hooked ends.  I've tried to tie knots in the beginning.  No 
matter what I try, it unwinds and the knots  untie.   Any help will be greatly
appreciated.
--

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Re: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

[Sue Babbs]

You can even knot the ends of the metallic thread to the cotton leader, as 
one would in Kumihimo work.


I hope the rain doesn't keep the crowds away from your exhibit.
Sue
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Cc: Arachne Lace lace@arachne.com
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.


Just a quick thought... if there's problems getting the metallic thread to 
start on the bobbin, try winding cotton thread down the length of the 
thread area first, to give the metallic thread something to cling to. 
There's no rule that you have to use a bare bobbin.




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Re: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

[Carol]

Hi Patsy et al,

I always use Geoff Mudge's 'hooky' bobbins for metallic thread, and 
sometimes for slippery gimps too.  The hooks are perfect to hold the thread, 
and it never unwinds - the bobbins are also lovely too - as are all Geoff's 
bobbins!   His details are in 'Lace', but if anyone needs any help, I will 
gladly pass on his details.


All best wishes - and may your pins never bend (and your threads never run)!

Carol - Suffolk UK



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RE: [lace] Question concerning metallic thread.

[Kim Davis]

The hair clips are great for the top, I have used those many times.

I think people have been responding to this thread in 2 different ways.  The
clips, straws, hooks, etc are good for the thread in lieu of a hitch.  If I
understand the original question, she was struggling to get the very end of
the thread to allow her to wind the bobbin.  Tape, using the hole if there
is one, winding on top of thread and tying the end to some thread are all
good solutions for that.

Kim

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Vicki Bradford
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:04 PM
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

Another solution which is easy to put on and take off when extra thread 
is needed is Scunci mini hair clips.  The tiniest ones are small enough 
to fit nicely over a bobbin neck without getting in the way and 
catching on adjacent bobbins.  You can find them in drugstores or 
variety stores in the hair accessory section.

If the thread is thin enough, another solution is to cut plastic 
drinking straws to the length of the bobbin's neck and then slit them 
lengthwise and slip over the thread.

Vicki in chilly Maryland

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[lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

[karpap]

Hi,

It's been ages since I used any metallic thread in bobbin lace making.  I have 
a project where I will need 4 pairs of bobbins
wound with metallic thread, DMC.  How do you wind it so that it doesn't 
immediately unwind?  I even have the special wooden
bobbins with the hooked ends.  I've tried to tie knots in the beginning.  No 
matter what I try, it unwinds and the knots  untie.   Any help will be greatly
appreciated.
--
Patsy A. Goodman
Pres. Chula Bobbin Lacers
Chula Vista, CA, USA

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RE: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

[Kim Davis]

Hi!  I took a class from Jutta Klein, co author of the DK Metallspitzen, a few 
years back.  She had us use low tack masking tape to tape the end down to the 
bobbin.  It does depend on which metallic thread you are using.  A lot of the 
very soft ones will stay on without a problem, like the ones we used with 
Rosemary Shephards class at Ithaca this year.  But the stuff Jutta brought from 
Germany handles much differently, and you pretty much have to anchor it.  If 
you have wire bobbins that have the hole in neck, you can always try threading 
the thread through the hole, and tying a knot.  I hope that gives you a couple 
of ideas to try.
Kim

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kar...@cox.net
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 6:36 PM
To: Arachne Lace
Subject: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

Hi,

It's been ages since I used any metallic thread in bobbin lace making.  I have 
a project where I will need 4 pairs of bobbins
wound with metallic thread, DMC.  How do you wind it so that it doesn't 
immediately unwind?  I even have the special wooden
bobbins with the hooked ends.  I've tried to tie knots in the beginning.  No 
matter what I try, it unwinds and the knots  untie.   Any help will be greatly
appreciated.
--
Patsy A. Goodman
Pres. Chula Bobbin Lacers
Chula Vista, CA, USA

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Re: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

[bev walker]

On 1/14/11, Kim Davis k...@wirelace.net wrote:
 Hi!  I took a class from Jutta Klein, co author of the DK Metallspitzen, a
 few years back.  She had us use low tack masking tape to tape the end down
 to the bobbin.  It does depend on which metallic thread you are using.  A
 lot of the very soft ones will stay on without a problem, like the ones we
 used with Rosemary Shephards class at Ithaca this year.  But the stuff Jutta
 brought from Germany handles much differently, and you pretty much have to
 anchor it.  If you have wire bobbins that have the hole in neck, you can
 always try threading the thread through the hole, and tying a knot.  I hope
 that gives you a couple of ideas to try.
 Kim

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
 kar...@cox.net
 Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 6:36 PM
 To: Arachne Lace
 Subject: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

 Hi,

 It's been ages since I used any metallic thread in bobbin lace making.  I
 have a project where I will need 4 pairs of bobbins
 wound with metallic thread, DMC.  How do you wind it so that it doesn't
 immediately unwind?  I even have the special wooden
 bobbins with the hooked ends.  I've tried to tie knots in the beginning.  No
 matter what I try, it unwinds and the knots  untie.   Any help will be
 greatly
 appreciated.
 --
 Patsy A. Goodman
 Pres. Chula Bobbin Lacers
 Chula Vista, CA, USA

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-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Question concerning metalic thread.

[bev walker]

oops, very sorry everyone about the non-reply with quoted text... I
hit send by accident and was too late to cancel (waaah).

Anyway:
A lace friend had a similar problem. She solved it by sewing little
tubes  for the bobbins from stretch knit fabric. These open-ended
socks fit snugly over the bobbin necks, permitting the thread to come
out the top. You might get the same result with the very tiny coloured
hair bands such as found at the dollar store. Worth a try?

On 1/14/11, kar...@cox.net kar...@cox.net wrote:
  How do you wind it so that it doesn't
 immediately unwind?

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

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