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> Funny, even Microsoft's eng. do not who to solve the problem :)
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I did get it as an ASCII attachment.
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> -Original Message-
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote:
> Ray Olszewski wrote:
> > We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the
> > important participants in LEAF have been most notable for their silence on
> > this thread.
>
> I'd like to speak up myself. I would also like to
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, John wrote:
> This issue _will_ get publicity and it casts a very bad light on Linux and
> Open Source (Guilt by Association). A public statement is warranted.
> Morgan Reed's draft is good and should serve to limit the damage of
> otherwise unfettered reporters (ZDNet fanat
Also not to pick on Pim, but he does provide good context for comment:
> You didn't have to convince me of that, for sure. There is no issue of
> silently agreeing with what was stated, just that I feel no need to
> get on the publicity bandwagon about what is on a site I am only faintly
> affili
Ray Olszewski wrote:
> We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the
> important participants in LEAF have been most notable for their silence on
> this thread.
I'd like to speak up myself. I would also like to echo those
sentiments: silence does not imply my assent.
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Scott C. Best wrote:
>
> I just wanted to split a quick hair. No affront to
> Pi, I just needed a handy quote to speak from:
>
> > My point: This is an LRP issue. Deal with it in LRP and try not to
> > generalize it into something larger. Abstaining from politics is pol
I just wanted to split a quick hair. No affront to
Pi, I just needed a handy quote to speak from:
> My point: This is an LRP issue. Deal with it in LRP and try not to
> generalize it into something larger. Abstaining from politics is politics
> as well.
>
> Pi
To be sure, McVei
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Pim van Riezen wrote:
> My point: This is an LRP issue. Deal with it in LRP and try not to
> generalize it into something larger. Abstaining from politics is politics
> as well.
Doing a bit of a follow-up on myself here. I think it may help if I point
out what my position to
> >I agree with Scott's wording. I recognized my mistake as soon as I read
his
> >message. I think we should give Morgan a chance to write a draft. He may
> >come up with something we can all agree on.
> ...
>
> We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the
> important
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote:
> Morgan Reed, 2001-06-12 00:52 -0400
> >This is an inital rough draft that I think/hope represents all of the
> >ideas mentioned here.
>
> Morgan,
> It looks pretty good to me. For this to work we need all of our project
> admins and a strong majority of de
-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?
Morgan Reed, 2001-06-12 00:52 -0400
>This is an inital rough draft that I think/hope represents all of the
>ideas mentioned here.
Morgan,
It looks pretty good to me. For this to work we need all of our project
admins and a strong majority of developers to sign
Morgan Reed, 2001-06-12 00:52 -0400
>This is an inital rough draft that I think/hope represents all of the
>ideas mentioned here.
Morgan,
It looks pretty good to me. For this to work we need all of our project
admins and a strong majority of developers to sign it. If this can't be
accomplished,
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Morgan Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2001 2:53 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?
>
>
> This is an inital rough draft that I think/
June 12, 2001 12:24 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
>
> At 08:25 PM 6/11/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
> ...
> >I agree with Scott's wording. I recognized my mistake as soon as
> I read his
> >message. I think we shoul
At 08:25 PM 6/11/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
...
>I agree with Scott's wording. I recognized my mistake as soon as I read his
>message. I think we should give Morgan a chance to write a draft. He may
>come up with something we can all agree on.
...
We need to be careful here. Silence does not e
Morgan Reed, 2001-06-11 23:08 -0400
>I agree we don't have to be politically correct (gets my hair up just
>thinking about it) but I do think that if Mike were to post something
>without support of the rest of the dev group, it is no different than
>what Dave has done.
Morgan,
I hope I never do t
Ray Olszewski, 2001-06-11 19:41 -0700
>OK, some additional thoughts ...
>2. Including his sponsors as part of that audience would seem to me to
>be a good thing as well. Preferably without any footnotes from us; his
>words really do speak for themselves, very clearly. Alas, it's probably
>too lat
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bao C. Ha
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:50 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
>
>
> Perhaps Mike Noyes should put a statement together on
While I don't disagree with the general sentiments expressed about
Dave's politics, I don't think anything would be accomplished by
any organized campaign against Dave. It would just create more
anger and hate.
There is such a death-strewn chain of deadly action and reaction
and reaction and
OK, some additional thoughts ...
1. Personally, I think the world would be a better place if Dave's current
version of the LRP home page was seen by a very large audience. His dodgy
description of the site interruption on the LRP lists -- it is hardly true
that "The servers will be down all of Mo
PM 6/11/01 -0700, Steven Peck wrote:
> sigh
>
>I'm glad the LEAF site is up and running.
>
>-sp
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Charles Steinkuehler
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 6/11/2001 9:16 AM
>Subject: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
>For those
; -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Steven Peck
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:14 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
>
> I like this idea.
>
>
orrow.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Morgan Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-de
df file of the
linuxrouter.org site, stuff like this should always be remembered, if only
to show the limits of some folks reality)
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Noyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: OT
I have read many good suggestions here, but one I have not seen mentioned is
an open letter, signed by all (r as many as possible) of the LEAF-dev team,
expressing our sorrow and disagreement with Dave's decision. We would then
post this letter for the general LRP list.
I think that would be eno
Mike:
IMO, you're absolutely right in not wanting to help
Dave-C with attracting a larger audience. I think your "alternate
possibility" list below, while a strong tactic, would affect
the undesired response.
However, your other suggestions seem dead-on. The
LEAF team *is* the su
Bao C. Ha, 2001-06-11 16:01 -0700
>I have an evil idea. Should I let the slashdot.org crowd
>knows about this?
Bao,
I don't think Dave C's views deserve a larger audience then they are
already receiving. We may want to consider:
1) stop answering questions on the linux-router list (boycott/pr
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:01 PM
Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
> I have an evil idea. Should I let the slashdot.org crowd
> knows about this?
>
> Bao
>
> > -Original Message-
> >
I have an evil idea. Should I let the slashdot.org crowd
knows about this?
Bao
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Noyes
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re:
sigh
I'm glad the LEAF site is up and running.
-sp
-Original Message-
From: Charles Steinkuehler
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/11/2001 9:16 AM
Subject: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
For those of you who haven't been to www.linuxrouter.org lately, you
might
want to head
Kenneth Hadley, 2001-06-11 09:39 -0700
>I hope that someone hacked his web server otherwise Ive lost what little
>respect for Dave Cinege I had left after his fiasco with acepting help.
Kenneth,
I doubt his site was hacked. I knew Dave was a Libertarian, but I was
unaware of his anarchist views.
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Mike Sensney
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2001 3:12 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
>
> At 09:39 AM 06/11/2001 -0700, Kenneth Hadley wrote:
>
> >I hope that someone hacked
Oh jeesh. What a f!cking moron.
-Scott
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Mike Sensney wrote:
> At 09:39 AM 06/11/2001 -0700, Kenneth Hadley wrote:
>
> >I hope that someone hacked his web server otherwise Ive lost what little
> >respect for Dave Cinege I had left after his fiasco with acepting help
At 09:39 AM 06/11/2001 -0700, Kenneth Hadley wrote:
>I hope that someone hacked his web server otherwise Ive lost what little
>respect for Dave Cinege I had left after his fiasco with acepting help.
I echo your opinion.
Would Dave C feel the same if his own family had been "collateral damage"?
11, 2001 9:16 AM
Subject: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
> For those of you who haven't been to www.linuxrouter.org lately, you might
> want to head over there today. Apparently the planned network outage
today
> is not for routine maintence. Instead, the network seems to be &#
For those of you who haven't been to www.linuxrouter.org lately, you might
want to head over there today. Apparently the planned network outage today
is not for routine maintence. Instead, the network seems to be 'in
mourning'.
Charles Steinkuehler
http://lrp.steinkuehler.net
http://c0wz.steink
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