Re: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup

2006-01-10 Thread Charrua
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[leaf-user] Firewall hangup

2006-01-09 Thread Charrua
Hi, I am migrated to Leaf bering-uclibc 2.4beta1, with shorewall 2.4.7. My problem is each twelve hours the firewall hang up. If I reboot the PC, all works ok again. I don`t have more information because the firewall is located in another city. I know is poor information, but now is only this

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup

2006-01-09 Thread Charrua
. Maybe this the problem? when I use the Bering 2.3 modules.lrp, the system hangup. Thanks, Andrés - Original Message - From: Charrua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:08 PM Subject: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup Hi, I am

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup

2006-01-09 Thread Bodo Meissner
m 2006.01.09 19:23 schrieb(en) Charrua: The configuration is a Two ISP providers, one of them is ADSL with dinamic ip. I use SNAT, DNAT, and publics IP. - Original Message - From: Charrua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:08 PM

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup

2006-01-09 Thread Charrua
this problem because the ip of the adsl changes? Is it necessary to configure Shorewall to take the adsl ip changes? Thanks, Andrés - Original Message - From: Bodo Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup

2006-01-09 Thread Charrua
@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup That is posible.. but the problem is I cant't check the logs because the PC was rebooted, so I can´t verify this. But I don´t use the ADSL line, all the traffic is routed via de primary connection(LMDS

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup

2006-01-09 Thread Eric Spakman
Andres, The configuration is a Two ISP providers, one of them is ADSL with dinamic ip. I use SNAT, DNAT, and publics IP. Today, I change the modules.lrp, with one created with www.ucbering.de/cgi-bin/modules.cgi for kernel 2.4.32, before I used the modules.lrp from Bering 2.3. Maybe

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup

2006-01-09 Thread Charrua
when, the ip of my adsl change? Thanks, Andrés - Original Message - From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charrua [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup Andres, The configuration

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall hangup

2006-01-09 Thread Tom Eastep
On Monday 09 January 2006 17:22, Charrua wrote: Yes I used 2.3 modules with Bering-uClibc-2.4beta1 (kernel 2.4.32). Now I use the correct modules. When i see your message, with subject [leaf-user] 2.4.32 available in modules.cgi , I created the new modules.lrp. Maybe this the problem? But I

[leaf-user] Firewall testing?

2005-11-30 Thread Jim Ford
Now I'm all snug and cosy behind my Leaf Bering firewall (thanks to the helpful folk on this forum), I'd like to see just how secure it appears from the outside. There are various sites, some of them commercial, that give a free firewall security test. I've tried some of them and they give

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall testing?

2005-11-30 Thread Tom Eastep
On Wednesday 30 November 2005 10:09, Jim Ford wrote: Now I'm all snug and cosy behind my Leaf Bering firewall (thanks to the helpful folk on this forum), I'd like to see just how secure it appears from the outside. There are various sites, some of them commercial, that give a free firewall

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall testing?

2005-11-30 Thread Marko Nurmenniemi
Tom Eastep wrote: On Wednesday 30 November 2005 10:09, Jim Ford wrote: Now I'm all snug and cosy behind my Leaf Bering firewall (thanks to the helpful folk on this forum), I'd like to see just how secure it appears from the outside. There are various sites, some of them commercial, that

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall performance graph

2005-07-13 Thread Erich Titl
Jaime Thanks for the info Jaime Nebrera wrote: ... D) FreeBSD (actually dont know what BDS m0n0wall uses) is much more linear and predictable on its behavior, standing for higher loads. Did you test Linux in router configuration? cheers Erich

[leaf-user] Firewall performance graph

2005-07-11 Thread Jaime Nebrera
Hi all, For all people just testing firewall performance. We are in the process of publishing some graphs regarding firewall performance (mainly in low end hardware). We have compared mainly Linux (2.4.30 and 2.6.11) and FreeBSD (m0n0wall) on a Geode 266, Via 533 and Via 1Ghz all with

RE: [leaf-user] Firewall failover

2005-05-27 Thread Jaime Nebrera
Hi, http://svn.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/netfilter-ha/ You want ct_sync, or connection tracking syncronization. I am not sure what it's status really is, but I think it is in 'testing' or 'works for me'. Yep, all of you agreed on this solution. It seems active know, it

[leaf-user] Firewall failover

2005-05-25 Thread Jaime Nebrera
Hi all, We are investigating on firewall failover design. I have searched the net and found that projects like LVS have it mostly solved for their side but that netfilter lacks it. Of course, a simple failover of the firewall is available using things like VRRP (KeepAlive software) but

RE: [leaf-user] Firewall failover

2005-05-25 Thread Peter Mueller
We are investigating on firewall failover design. I have searched the net and found that projects like LVS have it mostly solved for their side but that netfilter lacks it. Of course, a simple failover of the firewall is available using things like VRRP (KeepAlive software) but

[leaf-user] Firewall error on Weblet

2004-07-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HI, I am new to leaf and am running bering_uclibc 2.1.3. Ihave only just recently got my firewall up and runnng, protecting my local network using the default shorewall settings. However,in Weblet, I have a red light for Firewall under LEAF status and it says error. When I click on the red

[leaf-user] Firewall error on Weblet

2004-07-16 Thread Darcy Parker
:40:27 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [leaf-user] Firewall error on Weblet HI, I am new to leaf and am running bering_uclibc 2.1.3. Ihave only just recently got my firewall up and runnng, protecting my local network using the default shorewall settings. However,in Weblet, I have a red light

[leaf-user] Firewall compromised-V2.0 uClibc-0. image Bering-uClibc_2.0_img_bering-uclibc-1680.exe

2003-12-22 Thread Ken
Hello All, Please be patient with me, I am new to the Linux world and I am not a security expert. I built a uClibc firewall version 2.0 Linux firewall kernel 2.4.20 from the image Bering-uClibc_2.0_img_bering-uclibc-1680.exe and I have been compromised. I have included a lot of information here

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall compromised-V2.0 uClibc-0. image Bering-uClibc_2.0_img_bering-uclibc-1680.exe

2003-12-22 Thread Tom Eastep
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Ken wrote: Please be patient with me, I am new to the Linux world and I am not a security expert. Then big red flashing lights should have been going off in your head before you posted. I'm not going to respond -- when you can provide conslusive evidence that your

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall compromised-V2.0 uClibc-0. image Bering-uClibc_2.0_img_bering-uclibc-1680.exe

2003-12-22 Thread Lynn Avants
On Monday 22 December 2003 08:16 pm, Ken wrote: Hello All, Please be patient with me, I am new to the Linux world and I am not a security expert. I built a uClibc firewall version 2.0 Linux firewall kernel 2.4.20 from the image Bering-uClibc_2.0_img_bering-uclibc-1680.exe and I have been

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall compromised-V2.0 uClibc-0. image Bering-uClibc_2.0_img_bering-uclibc-1680.exe

2003-12-22 Thread Ray Olszewski
Preliminary comment: Tom is right. You've provided here nothing to indicate that your router/firewall has been compromised, so there is no way we (or anyone) can tell you how they did it. Some more specific comments appear inline. I hope you consider them patient ... you are unlikely to get

Re: [leaf-user] firewall or just router

2003-12-14 Thread George Metz
Couple of things on this. Interspersed where relevant. Brian Kolaci wrote: Hi, I'm looking to setup a box mainly as a routing decision maker. I'll have 2 DSL lines, a primary and backup (to 2 different ISP's). I'd like traffic to go out the primary (faster and static IP's) when its up and have

[leaf-user] firewall or just router

2003-12-08 Thread Brian Kolaci
Hi, I'm looking to setup a box mainly as a routing decision maker. I'll have 2 DSL lines, a primary and backup (to 2 different ISP's). I'd like traffic to go out the primary (faster and static IP's) when its up and have it automatically failover to the second DSL router when the first dies. I

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall load and shorewall accounting questions.

2003-10-22 Thread bino-psn
- Original Message - From: Ronny Aasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: AdStar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Firewall load and shorewall accounting questions. only problem i have is that i have no idea how to set

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall load and shorewall accounting questions.

2003-10-21 Thread Ronny Aasen
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 01:25, AdStar wrote: Hi all, I'm running a bering firewall in my production environment and have a couple of questions about the accounting side of things with shorewall and firewall load. How often are the counters reset, is it only on a shorewall restart (firewall

[leaf-user] Firewall load and shorewall accounting questions.

2003-10-20 Thread AdStar
Hi all, I'm running a bering firewall in my production environment and have a couple of questions about the accounting side of things with shorewall and firewall load. How often are the counters reset, is it only on a shorewall restart (firewall reboot etc)? If I wanted to track traffic from a

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall load and shorewall accounting questions.

2003-10-20 Thread Lynn Avants
On Monday 20 October 2003 06:25 pm, AdStar wrote: [...] How can I track how hard the firewall is working? When I say how hard, as in packet throughput, cpu load etc. What do I check for to know if I need to upgrade the CPU, or go to 1000/100 NIC's etc /proc and 'netstat'. There should be

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall Getting Hammered.

2003-10-08 Thread j d
obviously the advantage over REJECT. Thanks again. Regards, joe. - Original Message - From: Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:31:46 -0400 To: Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Firewall Getting Hammered. Joe, Are you implementing a blacklist with Shorewall? Just add the offending

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall Getting Hammered.

2003-10-07 Thread Julian Church
Hi Joe On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:23:58 -0500, j d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, in the last two days I've had a lot of hits on my external eth0 from these two sources (x.x.x.x is my eth0 address leased from the upstream DNS server via pump): Oct 5 07:43:33 cerberus Shorewall:net2all:DROP:

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall Getting Hammered.

2003-10-07 Thread Tony
Joe, Are you implementing a blacklist with Shorewall? Just add the offending SRC addys to your list and refresh. If they're spamming you with Messenger spam, why would you want them connecting to any legitimate services you have running? I figure if they're lowlifes to begin with, they can

[leaf-user] Firewall Getting Hammered.

2003-10-06 Thread j d
Hi all. I've recently had some trouble with my Bering-uClibc configuration, so I've been spending a lot of time with re-installation problems and not much with watching the fw logs. Anyway, I've lately seen a real spike in behavior coming into the firewall, and since I haven't changed any

[leaf-user] firewall comparison - recommendations?

2003-09-15 Thread Arnold Wiegert
After some problems getting my second floppy recognized under Dachstein, I am wondering whether or not I should switch to something else. But, that leaves me with a lot more questions: How do the various LEAFirewalls differ? What are the major minimum requirements for each? Why should I use

Re: [leaf-user] firewall comparison - recommendations?

2003-09-15 Thread Victor McAllister
Arnold Wiegert wrote: After some problems getting my second floppy recognized under Dachstein, I am wondering whether or not I should switch to something else. Did you edit syslinux.cfg on the first floppy and make sure the second floppy is defined for floppies PKGPATH=/dev/fd0,/dev/fd1 or

[leaf-user] Firewall Zone abbrev in Shorewall

2003-01-30 Thread David Pitts
Hi. Just me again. I'm confused about what I can use in Shorewall Policies and Rules to indicate the Firewall itself. The text seems to tell me I must use $fw but the initially commented out line in the Policy file uses just fw. Are $fw and fw interchangeable in rules and policies? Loc, dmz

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall Zone abbrev in Shorewall

2003-01-30 Thread Lynn Avants
On Thursday 30 January 2003 09:28 pm, you wrote: Hi. Just me again. I'm confused about what I can use in Shorewall Policies and Rules to indicate the Firewall itself. The text seems to tell me I must use $fw but the initially commented out line in the Policy file uses just fw. Are $fw and

Re: [leaf-user] Firewall Zone abbrev in Shorewall

2003-01-30 Thread Tom Eastep
--On Friday, January 31, 2003 11:28 AM +0800 David Pitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confused about what I can use in Shorewall Policies and Rules to indicate the Firewall itself. The text seems to tell me I must use $fw but the initially commented out line in the Policy file uses just fw.

[leaf-user] firewall....

2002-06-23 Thread Gatesy
i dont know if this makles sense but anyway will the router be a good firewall so i can take zonealarm pro off my main computer to hopefully speed it up abit??? thanks --- Sponsored by: ThinkGeek at http://www.ThinkGeek.com/

Re: [leaf-user] firewall....

2002-06-23 Thread Mark Plowman
Gatesy (family of Bill?), From: Gatesy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:22:04 +1000 i dont know if this makles sense but anyway Makes sense to me at least... will the router be a good firewall so i can take zonealarm pro off my main computer to hopefully speed it up

Re: [leaf-user] firewall....

2002-06-23 Thread leaf-user
Gatesy, From: Gatesy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:26:36 +1000 no sorry not family of billy. ;-) how do i set this thing up?? I am afraid I can't hold your hand here very much... This is not the world of 'download the executable, start the installer, click on OK three or

Re: [leaf-user] firewall....

2002-06-23 Thread leaf-user
Gatesy, From: Gatesy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:12:31 +1000 This thread should go over the mailing list, *please* don't just email me, at least 'CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]'. If you go over the list and I should stop answering your emails, others might be prepared to take over the

Re: [leaf-user] firewall....

2002-06-23 Thread Mike Noyes
On Sun, 2002-06-23 at 06:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gatesy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:26:36 +1000 how do i set this thing up?? May I suggest that you visit Charles Steinkuehler's site at http://lrp.steinkuehler.net/ for 'Easy to use disk images and lots of

Re: [leaf-user] firewall....

2002-06-23 Thread guitarlynn
On Sunday 23 June 2002 07:32, Mark Plowman wrote: Gatesy (family of Bill?), From: Gatesy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:22:04 +1000 i dont know if this makles sense but anyway Makes sense to me at least... will the router be a good firewall so i can take zonealarm

Re: [leaf-user] firewall....

2002-06-23 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
i dont know if this makles sense but anyway will the router be a good firewall so i can take zonealarm pro off my main computer to hopefully speed it up abit??? You could, but you shouldn't. The LEAF firewall makes a very good first line of defense, but *ANY* border router firewall (ie

Re: [leaf-user] firewall....

2002-06-23 Thread leaf-user
Gentlemen, Thank you for the *very* constructive additions to my feeble offering. I was staring to worry that I was going to be the only person fielding this thread, and that was starting to scare me! Greetings -- Mark Plowman ---

RE: [Leaf-user] Firewall setup Questions, Newbie

2002-01-29 Thread Brian Downey
I need to setup a firewall for my office. There is already a router/gateway box but we dont have access to it in order to put a firewall on. I would like to use a LEAF box as a firewall directly behind the router. Is You should provide lots more information about your existing setup. I'll

RE: [Leaf-user] Firewall setup Questions, Newbie

2002-01-28 Thread Richard Doyle
I need to setup a firewall for my office. There is already a router/gateway box but we dont have access to it in order to put a firewall on. I would like to use a LEAF box as a firewall directly behind the router. Is You should provide lots more information about your existing setup. I'll

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall Setup / Cable Setup

2002-01-20 Thread Ewald Wasscher
Ray Olszewski wrote: snip Having found it, we still have to fix it. I don't use the Dach default firewall, but someone else can tell you the edit for it ... or you can try scanning the list archives (the external-privvate-address problem comes up regularly on the list). [Mike, is this problem

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall Setup / Cable Setup

2002-01-19 Thread guitarlynn
Put a blank floppy in the LEAF floppy drive. At a prompt, enter mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt cat /etc/network.conf /mnt/network.txt umount /mnt send any other information on other things you've done to configure the box. You shouldn't have to modify anything

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall Setup / Cable Setup

2002-01-19 Thread guitarlynn
DUH! Thanks Ray! nm my post. -- ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net http://leaf.sourceforge.net If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question! ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall Setup / Cable Setup

2002-01-19 Thread Victor McAllister
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok. I have spent the last 2 days messing with Dachstein (Floppy based). I still can't get it to work. I have gone through all menu option on lrcfg about 20 times. I have looked over most of the documentation I have found. This is my situation: I am getting

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall Setup

2002-01-14 Thread Ray Olszewski
Hi. The excerpt you quote looks like womething I wrote. If that's so ... ... what I was trting to indicate is that if the LEAF router has in place an ipchains rule that DENYs input going to the address you try to ping (or, possibly, to your gateway), you will get this message from sendto(). The

Sendto usage (was Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall Setup)

2002-01-14 Thread Jeff Newmiller
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Dr. Richard W. Tibbs wrote: I have sporadically had the same problem, probably due to network misconfig on my end. What I am still curious about --- maybe someone can explain this --- is why a unix socket system call, sendto(), is being invoked by ping --- which

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall Setup

2002-01-14 Thread Mark Plowman
Richard, From: Dr. Richard W. Tibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:06:13 -0500 I have sporadically had the same problem, probably due to network misconfig on my end. What I am still curious about --- maybe someone can explain this --- is why a unix socket system call,

[Leaf-user] Firewall Setup

2002-01-13 Thread jp
While sifting through docs I found this error which I have been receiving, while trying to ping any internet IP from the LRP box: sendto(): operation not permitted It says that this is the result of incorrect setup of the Firewall rules. Where can I find some documentation on setting up a

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall Setup

2002-01-13 Thread dgilleece
What distribution are you using? What IP addresses are you using for your external interface? Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: While sifting through docs I found this error which I have been receiving, while trying to ping any internet IP from the LRP box: sendto(): operation not permitted It

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall Setup

2002-01-13 Thread dgilleece
A couple of things are happening. First, it seems that your Dach box is not obtaining a proper address from your ISP. If your address used to be 24.116.x.x, you should be seeing something similar now. Since it is getting assigned a 10.x.x.x address, the ipfilter code is generating the

[Leaf-user] Firewall is hindering ftp.

2001-11-28 Thread Troy Aden
When I attempt to ftp our server (192.139.75.6) it was taking up to 30 sec to connect. (It should take 2 sec) I turned on logging and this is the output. Nov 27 22:12:12 firewall kernel: Packet log: remote DENY eth0 PROTO=6 192.139.75.6:1083 192.139.75.156:113 L=60 S=0x00 I=19689

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall is hindering ftp.

2001-11-28 Thread Ray Olszewski
Well ... assuming you are correct that this DENY is associated with the ftp attempt ... your ftp server, or some related application (like tcp wrappers) on the system it is running on (192.139.75.6), is sending an ident query to the client (192.139.75.156 in the log entry you posted) you are

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall is hindering ftp.

2001-11-28 Thread Tom Eastep
On Wednesday 28 November 2001 08:22 am, Troy Aden wrote: When I attempt to ftp our server (192.139.75.6) it was taking up to 30 sec to connect. (It should take 2 sec) I turned on logging and this is the output. Nov 27 22:12:12 firewall kernel: Packet log: remote DENY eth0 PROTO=6

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing

2001-06-29 Thread Mike Noyes
Dale Long, 2001-06-29 09:58 +0930 On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: Do you still need me to complete the scanning task, or is the web based scanner enough for each user/leader to do? Yes. I think they will provide a good reference for users to compare there setup with. Also, scans

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing

2001-06-27 Thread Mike Noyes
Jonathan Rawson, 2001-06-26 23:27 -0400 I checked this site, questionable results. It successfully determined I have port 80 open. Didn't report any ports as being open that really aren't, but it missed ssh, whois, and smtp. So, out of four ports I know are open, it missed three, and only hit

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing

2001-06-26 Thread Jonathan Rawson
with shieldsup and dslreports. Jonathan Rawson -Original Message- From: Michael Leone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing On 09 Jun 2001 08:55:01 -0400, Sean E. Covel wrote: To all

RE: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing

2001-06-26 Thread Dan
Chambers Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing I have also tried this site, and the same for me open ports 135, 137, 138, 139 and visable ports 1080, 3128. I am also running Eigerstien2beta. When I test my system with Steve Gibson's site

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing

2001-06-26 Thread Glenn A. Thompson
: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing I have also tried this site, and the same for me open ports 135, 137, 138, 139 and visable ports 1080, 3128. I am also running Eigerstien2beta. When I test my system with Steve Gibson's site grc.com

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing

2001-06-26 Thread Greg Morgan
, June 26, 2001 11:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing I have also tried this site, and the same for me open ports 135, 137, 138, 139 and visable ports 1080, 3128. I am also running Eigerstien2beta. When I test my system with Steve Gibson's site grc.com

Re: [Leaf-user] Firewall testing

2001-06-26 Thread Glenn A. Thompson
Hmmm I guess I'll have to try some of these. Thanks, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Glenn A. Thompson wrote: Hey, I'm a newbie also. I have a question. Doesn't using these testing sites say; hey, here I am come and get me? I mean are they really to be trusted?