Re: [LU] Norwich

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Agreed. Wagner's teams are always hard to play against but last night despite 
them taking total control in the 2nd half, Miesler had nothing to do. It was 
only a bit of panic late on in our defence that caused concern. 
Also, I don't think I've ever seen a keeper go up for a free kick ? and why on 
earth didn't the ref play advantage when we broke - worst decision ever as it 
was a certain 2 nil. 
Think Gruev and Kamara together are too defensive. Gruev's playing the Philips 
role in front of the back four and frequently drops into the backline and 
Kamara gets through some good work but is predominantly a DM. 
I criticised Rutter as a no 9 (he isn't) but he's certainly finding his role as 
a 10. Great to watch. Ok, most things didn't come off last night but I love to 
see a player with confidence who can step past people with ease. Love watching 
him. 
Bamford is our best no 9. Didn't have a great game but scored his goal and ran 
around a lot. He should have been in the team earlier in the season. 
Hope Archie's injury isn't serious because he's been the player of the season 
for me and whilst he's done great a right back, I can't help think that he 
needs to be in midfield ? 
Plymouth will be interesting. We've got a few knocks but we're on such a good 
run, I'd play the first XI and smash em and move on. 

On Thursday, 25 January 2024 at 10:50:59 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
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 A hard fought and forgettable match but another 3 pts - points we need to have 
any chance of automatic promotion. They were a strange team , they had huge 
periods of possession especially at the start of the second half,  but seemed 
content to just keep the ball a la Japp Stams Reading a few seasons ago,  and 
not attempt to do anything with it. In fact during their longest period of 
possession it was us who had the only shot, a tame effort by Summerville after 
we took the ball off them  and attacked on the break They had one real chance 
of note all game , right on the stroke of half time with a good cross from 
their right which led to Archie Gray marking 2 players , luckily the one it 
fell to totally fluffed his kick. That apart they offered nothing but looked 
comfortable on the ball and made it hard for us. So overall it was fairly 
boring with lots of sideways passing but glimpses of sublime skill and flicks 
by Georginio and Summerville made it watchable,  and the one nik scoreline kept 
it tense, a second at any stage would  have been game over.Our goal on 15 
minutes was a worthy match winner -Georginio ( who has great work rate to go 
with his skills) won the ball, fed James who put in a lovely floated cross to 
the back post and Bamford headed home - 4 in 5 for him now. He had another shot 
pulled wide, Georginio had a shot saved as did Firpo, Summerville had another 
that just went the wrong side of the post, Anthony had a great chance but 
dawdled and was blocked, as we created plenty of half chances but could not get 
a second to lut it to bed.Still a vital 3 points and if we can beat Bristol on 
Friday night next week we go up to second albeit the other will have games in 
hand 
Dave
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[LU] Norwich

[nattan--- via Leedslist]

A hard fought and forgettable match but another 3 pts - points we need to have 
any chance of automatic promotion. They were a strange team , they had huge 
periods of possession especially at the start of the second half,  but seemed 
content to just keep the ball a la Japp Stams Reading a few seasons ago,  and 
not attempt to do anything with it. In fact during their longest period of 
possession it was us who had the only shot, a tame effort by Summerville after 
we took the ball off them  and attacked on the break They had one real chance 
of note all game , right on the stroke of half time with a good cross from 
their right which led to Archie Gray marking 2 players , luckily the one it 
fell to totally fluffed his kick. That apart they offered nothing but looked 
comfortable on the ball and made it hard for us. So overall it was fairly 
boring with lots of sideways passing but glimpses of sublime skill and flicks 
by Georginio and Summerville made it watchable,  and the one nik scoreline kept 
it tense, a second at any stage would  have been game over.Our goal on 15 
minutes was a worthy match winner -Georginio ( who has great work rate to go 
with his skills) won the ball, fed James who put in a lovely floated cross to 
the back post and Bamford headed home - 4 in 5 for him now. He had another shot 
pulled wide, Georginio had a shot saved as did Firpo, Summerville had another 
that just went the wrong side of the post, Anthony had a great chance but 
dawdled and was blocked, as we created plenty of half chances but could not get 
a second to lut it to bed.Still a vital 3 points and if we can beat Bristol on 
Friday night next week we go up to second albeit the other will have games in 
hand 
Dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Steve Gillen]

Yeah, I get the “Soaraway Sun” irony; but in actual fact despite our despair 
and then elation, for the neutral that was a great game, one of the best this 
season, as I said, for the neutral; not being one of them, I hardly have any 
voice or fingernails left.

> On 22 Oct 2023, at 17:28, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Possibly the worst football match I have ever witnessed. Doncha hate Leeds 
> United they were completely clueless and Norwich were all over us.
> 
> Leeds United doncha love 'em. Norwich might look good but we were far better. 
> There is a really good team emerging here.
> 
> (C) Glenda Slag 2023
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[LU] Norwich

[John Boocock]

Possibly the worst football match I have ever witnessed. Doncha hate Leeds 
United they were completely clueless and Norwich were all over us. 

Leeds United doncha love 'em. Norwich might look good but we were far better. 
There is a really good team emerging here.

(C) Glenda Slag 2023
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Michael Benjamin]

Victor Orta was not alone. That was a pure glory moment that picked me up and I 
am sill up days after. 
It was a dramatic moment for us-- God willing, the watershed mark and certainly 
for that very talented young man 

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-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of seanscribe--- via 
Leedslist
Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2022 14:23
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich

A couple of videos and some thoughts on the winner.
The goal: https://twitter.com/LUFC/status/1503129664797265931
The goal with bench reaction: 
https://twitter.com/Dan_Hardy19/status/1503361678389518342
1. The goal starts with a long (and accurate) hoof out by Meslier. It's worth 
asking whether that would have happened under Bielsa. (Think of our two most 
recent "huge emotion" late winners - Pablo at Swansea and Dallas at the Etihad 
- both of which came from playing out from the back.) 2. Joffy wins the header. 
The kid's 5'8", the defender's 6'1". Enough said.
3. What Joffy does with the header. Joffy was almost facing back towards his 
own goal, with Daniel James five yards away in space. Most players would have 
taken the simple option of nodding it back to James before turning and running 
upfield. But Joffy is one of the most direct, attack-oriented players in the 
squad, so instead he takes the slightly riskier option and heads it over his 
shoulder into space for Raphinha to run onto. That takes pure attacking 
instinct - and skill. One wonders whether we'd have more points if Joffy had 
been given more time on the pitch this season.
4. Brilliance from Raphinha. There's still so much for Raphinha to do, but 
showing a determination that, as others have mentioned, has been absent the 
last couple of games, he gets to the ball a nanosecond before the defender, 
effortlessly glides past the keeper, then with barely a glance to his left 
knows exactly where to play the reverse pass as he runs out of space and 
defenders close in. That's world class.
5. Joffy's movement. From the moment the ball leaves his forehead, Gelhardt is 
thinking "What can I do now to turn this into a goal?" Despite the presence of 
three opposition defenders in the box, he times his run to ensure he's in 
space, available for a pass, and then shows a calmness in arguably the biggest 
moment of his career thus far to slot home from a couple of yards (Pascal 
Struijk take note!). Gelhardt is a natural goalscorer. (Also, note the defender 
who's so determined to stop the shot he's anticipating from Raphinha on the 
line that his momentum carries him into the back of the net by the time 
Gelhardt shoots, so he can't block Joffy's shot.) 6. The entire squad's 
reaction. With the subs piling on and Meslier sprinting the length of the 
pitch, this had real "Pablo at Swansea" vibes about it. Victor Orta was in 
tears! It shows how invested everyone in the club is in our survival. Let's 
hope it's enough.
Cheers!
Sean

-Original Message-
From: JONATHAN WYNNE via Leedslist 
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2022 9:05 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich




Thanks Dave.
Spot on!
Sent via BT Email App



From: nattan--- via Leedslist

Sent: Mar 14, 2022 at 9:53 AM

To: leedslist@gn.apc.org

Subject: [LU] Norwich


Well what a difference a few days can make - Thursday a half full ER boo the 
players off and walk out all doom and gloom. Sunday a still packed ER is 
bouncing, singing along to I predict a riot and chanting outside the ground, 
all smiles.

It was nearly do different as we threw away our deserved lead just as the added 
time (6mins) was announced.  We made the most of that 6mins with a goal from 
our wonder boy and a great save from our bit wonder.

Jesse picked the expected team and PLAYED PLAYERS IN THEIR PROPER POSITION  - 
Ayling right  back, Klicth  and Forshaw in midfield and with a striker at 
number 9. 

The game itself was decent enough,  we played pretty well with Rodrigo and Raph 
both getting back to the players they can be. We opened the scoring with a long 
ball aimed at Bamford who also had a mainly good 45, the defender headed it 
back and Rodrigo pushed James aside and shot home.  We then bossed the game 
with chance after chance going begging - at 2 nil it would be game over but we 
did not manage it. Raph hit the bar with a great shot after a lovely cross 
field one two with Paddy, Stryik missed an easy header and the easier rebound, 
James scored but was offside, Bamford turned back into championship paddy and 
missed a sitter, Raph hit the bar again with a free kick, James made the keeper 
pull off a good save as chances came and went.

They offered almost nothing for most of the game but the ref who was poor and 
had no control of th

Re: [LU] Norwich

[seanscribe--- via Leedslist]

A couple of videos and some thoughts on the winner.
The goal: https://twitter.com/LUFC/status/1503129664797265931
The goal with bench reaction: 
https://twitter.com/Dan_Hardy19/status/1503361678389518342
1. The goal starts with a long (and accurate) hoof out by Meslier. It's worth 
asking whether that would have happened under Bielsa. (Think of our two most 
recent "huge emotion" late winners - Pablo at Swansea and Dallas at the Etihad 
- both of which came from playing out from the back.) 
2. Joffy wins the header. The kid's 5'8", the defender's 6'1". Enough said.
3. What Joffy does with the header. Joffy was almost facing back towards his 
own goal, with Daniel James five yards away in space. Most players would have 
taken the simple option of nodding it back to James before turning and running 
upfield. But Joffy is one of the most direct, attack-oriented players in the 
squad, so instead he takes the slightly riskier option and heads it over his 
shoulder into space for Raphinha to run onto. That takes pure attacking 
instinct - and skill. One wonders whether we'd have more points if Joffy had 
been given more time on the pitch this season.
4. Brilliance from Raphinha. There's still so much for Raphinha to do, but 
showing a determination that, as others have mentioned, has been absent the 
last couple of games, he gets to the ball a nanosecond before the defender, 
effortlessly glides past the keeper, then with barely a glance to his left 
knows exactly where to play the reverse pass as he runs out of space and 
defenders close in. That's world class.
5. Joffy's movement. From the moment the ball leaves his forehead, Gelhardt is 
thinking "What can I do now to turn this into a goal?" Despite the presence of 
three opposition defenders in the box, he times his run to ensure he's in 
space, available for a pass, and then shows a calmness in arguably the biggest 
moment of his career thus far to slot home from a couple of yards (Pascal 
Struijk take note!). Gelhardt is a natural goalscorer. (Also, note the defender 
who's so determined to stop the shot he's anticipating from Raphinha on the 
line that his momentum carries him into the back of the net by the time 
Gelhardt shoots, so he can't block Joffy's shot.)
6. The entire squad's reaction. With the subs piling on and Meslier sprinting 
the length of the pitch, this had real "Pablo at Swansea" vibes about it. 
Victor Orta was in tears! It shows how invested everyone in the club is in our 
survival. Let's hope it's enough.
Cheers!
Sean

-Original Message-
From: JONATHAN WYNNE via Leedslist 
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2022 9:05 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich




Thanks Dave.
Spot on!
Sent via BT Email App



From: nattan--- via Leedslist

Sent: Mar 14, 2022 at 9:53 AM

To: leedslist@gn.apc.org

Subject: [LU] Norwich


Well what a difference a few days can make - Thursday a half full ER boo 
the players off and walk out all doom and gloom. Sunday a still packed 
ER is bouncing, singing along to I predict a riot and chanting outside 
the ground, all smiles.

It was nearly do different as we threw away our deserved lead just as 
the added time (6mins) was announced.  We made the most of that 6mins 
with a goal from our wonder boy and a great save from our bit wonder.

Jesse picked the expected team and PLAYED PLAYERS IN THEIR PROPER 
POSITION  - Ayling right  back, Klicth  and Forshaw in midfield and with 
a striker at number 9. 

The game itself was decent enough,  we played pretty well with Rodrigo 
and Raph both getting back to the players they can be. We opened the 
scoring with a long ball aimed at Bamford who also had a mainly good 45, 
the defender headed it back and Rodrigo pushed James aside and shot 
home.  We then bossed the game with chance after chance going begging - 
at 2 nil it would be game over but we did not manage it. Raph hit the 
bar with a great shot after a lovely cross field one two with Paddy, 
Stryik missed an easy header and the easier rebound, James scored but 
was offside, Bamford turned back into championship paddy and missed a 
sitter, Raph hit the bar again with a free kick, James made the keeper 
pull off a good save as chances came and went.

They offered almost nothing for most of the game but the ref who was 
poor and had no control of the game pointed to the penalty spot after a 
Norwich player went down ( not for the first time - thus js very much a 
Dean Smith team, diving, moaning, play acting) but VAR corrected his 
obvious error :-) ( VAR still shit and spolis the game)

We took off Rod and tried to shore thi6gs up with the Koch brought on, I 
got the idea since it did look as if we would not score the second,  but 
it just I voted them on to us and they began to put us under pressure.  
So it was no great surprise when they got behind us down the wing,  
crossed and fired home. 2 points thrown away and relegation threatening. 
Then on came Joffy,

Re: [LU] Norwich

[JONATHAN WYNNE via Leedslist]

Thanks Dave.
Spot on!
Sent via BT Email App



From: nattan--- via Leedslist

Sent: Mar 14, 2022 at 9:53 AM

To: leedslist@gn.apc.org

Subject: [LU] Norwich


Well what a difference a few days can make - Thursday a half full ER boo 
the players off and walk out all doom and gloom. Sunday a still packed 
ER is bouncing, singing along to I predict a riot and chanting outside 
the ground, all smiles.


It was nearly do different as we threw away our deserved lead just as 
the added time (6mins) was announced.  We made the most of that 6mins 
with a goal from our wonder boy and a great save from our bit wonder.


Jesse picked the expected team and PLAYED PLAYERS IN THEIR PROPER 
POSITION  - Ayling right  back, Klicth  and Forshaw in midfield and with 
a striker at number 9. 


The game itself was decent enough,  we played pretty well with Rodrigo 
and Raph both getting back to the players they can be. We opened the 
scoring with a long ball aimed at Bamford who also had a mainly good 45, 
the defender headed it back and Rodrigo pushed James aside and shot 
home.  We then bossed the game with chance after chance going begging - 
at 2 nil it would be game over but we did not manage it. Raph hit the 
bar with a great shot after a lovely cross field one two with Paddy, 
Stryik missed an easy header and the easier rebound, James scored but 
was offside, Bamford turned back into championship paddy and missed a 
sitter, Raph hit the bar again with a free kick, James made the keeper 
pull off a good save as chances came and went.


They offered almost nothing for most of the game but the ref who was 
poor and had no control of the game pointed to the penalty spot after a 
Norwich player went down ( not for the first time - thus js very much a 
Dean Smith team, diving, moaning, play acting) but VAR corrected his 
obvious error :-) ( VAR still shit and spolis the game)


We took off Rod and tried to shore thi6gs up with the Koch brought on, I 
got the idea since it did look as if we would not score the second,  but 
it just I voted them on to us and they began to put us under pressure.  
So it was no great surprise when they got behind us down the wing,  
crossed and fired home. 2 points thrown away and relegation threatening. 
Then on came Joffy, the boy who makes magic happen.  He won a long ball 
and flicked the header on, Raph playing with an energy and determination 
that has been slightly lacking recently,  beat the defender and rounded 
the keeper , hes taken it too far we thought  it he used his know how 
and looked up and pulled it back to Joffy- right place,  right time, 
right player who hit it I  from a yard. Absolute bedlam in the stands - 
up there with Blackburn and second v scum- we went mental


But still time for drama as their keeper went up for a free kick, 
caused  chaos and the ball fell to pukki (?)   in the 6yd box but his 
shot hit Mes6who stood tall ( may have saved with his face ?)  Brilliant 
stuff, it's what we go to games for, real drama and excitement. 


So the return of Paddy, another bit of magic from Joffy, Raph back to 
his best, and most importantly of all 3 more points. What a difference a 
few days makes


Loved it

Dave

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[nattan--- via Leedslist]

Well what a difference a few days can make - Thursday a half full ER boo the 
players off and walk out all doom and gloom. Sunday a still packed ER is 
bouncing, singing along to I predict a riot and chanting outside the ground, 
all smiles.
It was nearly do different as we threw away our deserved lead just as the added 
time (6mins) was announced.  We made the most of that 6mins with a goal from 
our wonder boy and a great save from our bit wonder.
Jesse picked the expected team and PLAYED PLAYERS IN THEIR PROPER POSITION  - 
Ayling right  back, Klicth  and Forshaw in midfield and with a striker at 
number 9. 
The game itself was decent enough,  we played pretty well with Rodrigo and Raph 
both getting back to the players they can be. We opened the scoring with a long 
ball aimed at Bamford who also had a mainly good 45, the defender headed it 
back and Rodrigo pushed James aside and shot home.  We then bossed the game 
with chance after chance going begging - at 2 nil it would be game over but we 
did not manage it. Raph hit the bar with a great shot after a lovely cross 
field one two with Paddy, Stryik missed an easy header and the easier rebound, 
James scored but was offside, Bamford turned back into championship paddy and 
missed a sitter, Raph hit the bar again with a free kick, James made the keeper 
pull off a good save as chances came and went.
They offered almost nothing for most of the game but the ref who was poor and 
had no control of the game pointed to the penalty spot after a Norwich player 
went down ( not for the first time - thus js very much a Dean Smith team, 
diving, moaning, play acting) but VAR corrected his obvious error :-) ( VAR 
still shit and spolis the game)
We took off Rod and tried to shore thi6gs up with the Koch brought on, I got 
the idea since it did look as if we would not score the second,  but it just I 
voted them on to us and they began to put us under pressure.  So it was no 
great surprise when they got behind us down the wing,  crossed and fired home. 
2 points thrown away and relegation threatening. Then on came Joffy, the boy 
who makes magic happen.  He won a long ball and flicked the header on, Raph 
playing with an energy and determination that has been slightly lacking 
recently,  beat the defender and rounded the keeper , hes taken it too far we 
thought  it he used his know how and looked up and pulled it back to Joffy- 
right place,  right time, right player who hit it I  from a yard. Absolute 
bedlam in the stands - up there with Blackburn and second v scum- we went mental
But still time for drama as their keeper went up for a free kick, caused  chaos 
and the ball fell to pukki (?)   in the 6yd box but his shot hit Mes6who stood 
tall ( may have saved with his face ?)  Brilliant stuff, it's what we go to 
games for, real drama and excitement. 
So the return of Paddy, another bit of magic from Joffy, Raph back to his best, 
and most importantly of all 3 more points. What a difference a few days makes
Loved it
Dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich Ticket

[Steve Gillen]

Hi Nick,

If it’s still available, I’m your man to fill that seat. No problem if it’s 
already spoken for 

Steve Gillen

> On 12 Mar 2022, at 19:00, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
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> Available for free to any lister who wishes. West Stand.
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Re: [LU] Norwich...

[Ian Murray]

To be fair to Norwich, they havent gambled their future like Villa (they are 
really in the shit when the go down - though given FFP doesn't seem to apply 
anymore maybe not), so I can't imagine any great imperative for them to sell 
their big players other than those players wanting to leave.

It would be good to take their best players though.  They have taken enough of 
ours in the last 10 years.




From: Leedslist  on behalf of Graham Longbottom 

Sent: Monday, 13 July 2020 10:06 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 ; James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! 

Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich...

You'd like to think that Bielsa could work his magic (that of getting the
best out of every player no matter where they start from) on Teemu Pukki as
well.
He looked great at the beginning of the prem season, but couldn't hit a
barn door now.
Surely he'll be available from Norwich soon...

Graham/ flinging



On Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 14:53 John Lee via Leedslist, 
wrote:

> That’s quite an interesting piece, and of course we can probably all see
> the parallels with the way Leeds play. Without counting any chickens, the
> way we lose/give away possession in our own half appears to be something
> that will need addressing pdq, given the clinical nature of Premiership
> strikers. That said, I very much doubt it’s something Bielsa hasn’t
> considered.
>
> Given our games have more intensity than Norwich last year, and certainly
> this, the way we play gives other teams plenty to think about.
>
> I wonder if Bielsa has transfer targets in mind? I’d like to think we’ll
> get some quality new blood, BUT I can also see Bielsa going with what we
> have too, which will be, erm, interesting!!? Keeping White, and getting
> someone like Buendia would be good.
>
> Anyway, plenty of time for all that speculation - let’s beat Barnsley
> first!
>
> MOT
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 13 Jul 2020, at 11:55, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jul/13/norwich-slick-technique-fools-gold-premier-league-relegation-daniel-farke
> >
> > When Norwich beat Manchester City 3-2 last September, the Canaries
> released a piece of content that went viral. A video featuring clips of the
> team playing their way out from the back, under intense pressure, with
> sharp angled passes and dextrous movement was watched more than six million
> times. The caption read: “Beating the press by sticking to our philosophy.”
> >
> > Since the restart Southampton and Arsenal have pressed Norwich’s
> backline into goal-conceding errors. Brighton have capitalised on misplaced
> passes to do the same. Simple goals from crosses, meanwhile – a weakness
> exploited by Sergio Agüero even on that summer’s evening in Carrow Road –
> have been plundered by Everton, Watford and, finally, West Ham.
> >
> > Norwich have gone down ignominiously in the end, barely leaving an
> impression on a division where they couldn’t score goals and never looked
> like keeping them out. For the most part they looked as callow as Bambi on
> work experience at the Factory. Did Norwich fail to stick to their
> philosophy or was it shown to be fool’s gold?
> >
> > There are extenuating factors. Before the Manchester City match Daniel
> Farke had reeled off a list of fresh injuries that ran to 10 players. The
> treatment room never cleared up, even after lockdown. Ultimately Farke will
> have gone a whole season without a full complement of central defenders.
> and often the two that played were the two that were fit.
> >
> > Struggling to put a team out after City, Norwich began a run that would
> tally just one win in the next 16 league matches. Confidence fell visibly
> from week to week and when form improved over Christmas, slender leads
> against Tottenham and Crystal Palace were lost under pressure at the last.
> The team could never recover their spirit and again, even after lockdown,
> there has been little sign of the energy and vibrancy with which the team
> started the season.
> >
> > But maybe they were just worked out. After beating Guardiola’s men, the
> Canaries travelled to Turf Moor. Chris Wood scored a near-post header from
> a corner within 10 minutes. Four minutes later he scored after the
> right-back Max Aarons coughed up possession in his own third. Palace
> successfully deployed the same tactics at Selhurst Park the following week
> and the word was out: press the full-backs, play for set pieces and Norwich
> are in trouble.
> >
> > Those full-backs, Aarons and Jamal Lewis, are highly talented young
> players. But neither had played a minute of Premier League football befor

Re: [LU] Norwich...

[Damian Walsh]

Apart from anything else - I'm not sure I want to go up if we aren't
champions. That feeling was a comfort last year :)

So that's at least 7 points still required!

Damian

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:02 PM James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  John,
> I dare not say anymore before we are promoted, which is not a given,
> given, given yet.
>
>
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Re: [LU] Norwich...

[Graham Longbottom]

You'd like to think that Bielsa could work his magic (that of getting the
best out of every player no matter where they start from) on Teemu Pukki as
well.
He looked great at the beginning of the prem season, but couldn't hit a
barn door now.
Surely he'll be available from Norwich soon...

Graham/ flinging



On Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 14:53 John Lee via Leedslist, 
wrote:

> That’s quite an interesting piece, and of course we can probably all see
> the parallels with the way Leeds play. Without counting any chickens, the
> way we lose/give away possession in our own half appears to be something
> that will need addressing pdq, given the clinical nature of Premiership
> strikers. That said, I very much doubt it’s something Bielsa hasn’t
> considered.
>
> Given our games have more intensity than Norwich last year, and certainly
> this, the way we play gives other teams plenty to think about.
>
> I wonder if Bielsa has transfer targets in mind? I’d like to think we’ll
> get some quality new blood, BUT I can also see Bielsa going with what we
> have too, which will be, erm, interesting!!? Keeping White, and getting
> someone like Buendia would be good.
>
> Anyway, plenty of time for all that speculation - let’s beat Barnsley
> first!
>
> MOT
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 13 Jul 2020, at 11:55, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jul/13/norwich-slick-technique-fools-gold-premier-league-relegation-daniel-farke
> >
> > When Norwich beat Manchester City 3-2 last September, the Canaries
> released a piece of content that went viral. A video featuring clips of the
> team playing their way out from the back, under intense pressure, with
> sharp angled passes and dextrous movement was watched more than six million
> times. The caption read: “Beating the press by sticking to our philosophy.”
> >
> > Since the restart Southampton and Arsenal have pressed Norwich’s
> backline into goal-conceding errors. Brighton have capitalised on misplaced
> passes to do the same. Simple goals from crosses, meanwhile – a weakness
> exploited by Sergio Agüero even on that summer’s evening in Carrow Road –
> have been plundered by Everton, Watford and, finally, West Ham.
> >
> > Norwich have gone down ignominiously in the end, barely leaving an
> impression on a division where they couldn’t score goals and never looked
> like keeping them out. For the most part they looked as callow as Bambi on
> work experience at the Factory. Did Norwich fail to stick to their
> philosophy or was it shown to be fool’s gold?
> >
> > There are extenuating factors. Before the Manchester City match Daniel
> Farke had reeled off a list of fresh injuries that ran to 10 players. The
> treatment room never cleared up, even after lockdown. Ultimately Farke will
> have gone a whole season without a full complement of central defenders.
> and often the two that played were the two that were fit.
> >
> > Struggling to put a team out after City, Norwich began a run that would
> tally just one win in the next 16 league matches. Confidence fell visibly
> from week to week and when form improved over Christmas, slender leads
> against Tottenham and Crystal Palace were lost under pressure at the last.
> The team could never recover their spirit and again, even after lockdown,
> there has been little sign of the energy and vibrancy with which the team
> started the season.
> >
> > But maybe they were just worked out. After beating Guardiola’s men, the
> Canaries travelled to Turf Moor. Chris Wood scored a near-post header from
> a corner within 10 minutes. Four minutes later he scored after the
> right-back Max Aarons coughed up possession in his own third. Palace
> successfully deployed the same tactics at Selhurst Park the following week
> and the word was out: press the full-backs, play for set pieces and Norwich
> are in trouble.
> >
> > Those full-backs, Aarons and Jamal Lewis, are highly talented young
> players. But neither had played a minute of Premier League football before
> this season. Aarons had only 43 senior appearances full stop. Their numbers
> were reflective of a squad almost entirely without top-flight experience,
> and the amount they had to learn was another barrier the team failed to
> clear.
> >
> > Norwich chose not to bring in some seasoned heads, either last summer or
> in January. The sporting director Stuart Webber’s strategy for the club is
> built on giving young players regular first-team opportunities. It’s also
> self-funding, spending only what the club can afford, and after losses of
> £38m the previous season and new contracts for the team that won the
> Championship, there wasn’t much money to go around.
> >
> > Webber brought in nine players for a total expenditure, including loan
> fees, of £4.5m. Of these, however, only Sam Byram can be considered a
> success and he was the only one to have played in the Premier League
> before. Three 

Re: [LU] Norwich...

[James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist]

 John,
I dare not say anymore before we are promoted, which is not a given, given, 
given yet.
I do not want to go up, to come back down in much worse shape than we went up, 
if we aren't fully prepared.
The Premiership is a very different beast than the one we were in back in the 
early noughties, fully 16 years ago!
James.

On Monday, 13 July 2020, 14:53:42 GMT+1,  wrote:  
 
 That’s quite an interesting piece, and of course we can probably all see the 
parallels with the way Leeds play. Without counting any chickens, the way we 
lose/give away possession in our own half appears to be something that will 
need addressing pdq, given the clinical nature of Premiership strikers. That 
said, I very much doubt it’s something Bielsa hasn’t considered. 

Given our games have more intensity than Norwich last year, and certainly this, 
the way we play gives other teams plenty to think about. 

I wonder if Bielsa has transfer targets in mind? I’d like to think we’ll get 
some quality new blood, BUT I can also see Bielsa going with what we have too, 
which will be, erm, interesting!!? Keeping White, and getting someone like 
Buendia would be good. 

Anyway, plenty of time for all that speculation - let’s beat Barnsley first!

MOT

  
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Re: [LU] Norwich...

[John Lee via Leedslist]

That’s quite an interesting piece, and of course we can probably all see the 
parallels with the way Leeds play. Without counting any chickens, the way we 
lose/give away possession in our own half appears to be something that will 
need addressing pdq, given the clinical nature of Premiership strikers. That 
said, I very much doubt it’s something Bielsa hasn’t considered. 

Given our games have more intensity than Norwich last year, and certainly this, 
the way we play gives other teams plenty to think about. 

I wonder if Bielsa has transfer targets in mind? I’d like to think we’ll get 
some quality new blood, BUT I can also see Bielsa going with what we have too, 
which will be, erm, interesting!!? Keeping White, and getting someone like 
Buendia would be good. 

Anyway, plenty of time for all that speculation - let’s beat Barnsley first!

MOT



Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Jul 2020, at 11:55, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jul/13/norwich-slick-technique-fools-gold-premier-league-relegation-daniel-farke
> 
> When Norwich beat Manchester City 3-2 last September, the Canaries released a 
> piece of content that went viral. A video featuring clips of the team playing 
> their way out from the back, under intense pressure, with sharp angled passes 
> and dextrous movement was watched more than six million times. The caption 
> read: “Beating the press by sticking to our philosophy.”
> 
> Since the restart Southampton and Arsenal have pressed Norwich’s backline 
> into goal-conceding errors. Brighton have capitalised on misplaced passes to 
> do the same. Simple goals from crosses, meanwhile – a weakness exploited by 
> Sergio Agüero even on that summer’s evening in Carrow Road – have been 
> plundered by Everton, Watford and, finally, West Ham.
> 
> Norwich have gone down ignominiously in the end, barely leaving an impression 
> on a division where they couldn’t score goals and never looked like keeping 
> them out. For the most part they looked as callow as Bambi on work experience 
> at the Factory. Did Norwich fail to stick to their philosophy or was it shown 
> to be fool’s gold?
> 
> There are extenuating factors. Before the Manchester City match Daniel Farke 
> had reeled off a list of fresh injuries that ran to 10 players. The treatment 
> room never cleared up, even after lockdown. Ultimately Farke will have gone a 
> whole season without a full complement of central defenders. and often the 
> two that played were the two that were fit.
> 
> Struggling to put a team out after City, Norwich began a run that would tally 
> just one win in the next 16 league matches. Confidence fell visibly from week 
> to week and when form improved over Christmas, slender leads against 
> Tottenham and Crystal Palace were lost under pressure at the last. The team 
> could never recover their spirit and again, even after lockdown, there has 
> been little sign of the energy and vibrancy with which the team started the 
> season.
> 
> But maybe they were just worked out. After beating Guardiola’s men, the 
> Canaries travelled to Turf Moor. Chris Wood scored a near-post header from a 
> corner within 10 minutes. Four minutes later he scored after the right-back 
> Max Aarons coughed up possession in his own third. Palace successfully 
> deployed the same tactics at Selhurst Park the following week and the word 
> was out: press the full-backs, play for set pieces and Norwich are in trouble.
> 
> Those full-backs, Aarons and Jamal Lewis, are highly talented young players. 
> But neither had played a minute of Premier League football before this 
> season. Aarons had only 43 senior appearances full stop. Their numbers were 
> reflective of a squad almost entirely without top-flight experience, and the 
> amount they had to learn was another barrier the team failed to clear.
> 
> Norwich chose not to bring in some seasoned heads, either last summer or in 
> January. The sporting director Stuart Webber’s strategy for the club is built 
> on giving young players regular first-team opportunities. It’s also 
> self-funding, spending only what the club can afford, and after losses of 
> £38m the previous season and new contracts for the team that won the 
> Championship, there wasn’t much money to go around.
> 
> Webber brought in nine players for a total expenditure, including loan fees, 
> of £4.5m. Of these, however, only Sam Byram can be considered a success and 
> he was the only one to have played in the Premier League before. Three of the 
> four loan signings had their contracts terminated early. The fourth, the 
> playmaker Ondrej Duda, arrived from Hertha Berlin hailed by Farke as a £25m 
> player. He has yet to score or assist a goal.
> 
> Watching from the stands, before and after lockdown, the squad’s wholesale 
> loss of confidence seems the most telling factor. That’s the thing that most 
> undermined the original plan, the “philosophy”. But 

Re: [LU] Norwich...

[Damian Walsh]

If you look at the comments on the article, there are some quite bitter
people out there :)

Damian

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:55 PM James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jul/13/norwich-slick-technique-fools-gold-premier-league-relegation-daniel-farke
>
>
>
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[LU] Norwich...

[James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jul/13/norwich-slick-technique-fools-gold-premier-league-relegation-daniel-farke

When Norwich beat Manchester City 3-2 last September, the Canaries released a 
piece of content that went viral. A video featuring clips of the team playing 
their way out from the back, under intense pressure, with sharp angled passes 
and dextrous movement was watched more than six million times. The caption 
read: “Beating the press by sticking to our philosophy.”

Since the restart Southampton and Arsenal have pressed Norwich’s backline into 
goal-conceding errors. Brighton have capitalised on misplaced passes to do the 
same. Simple goals from crosses, meanwhile – a weakness exploited by Sergio 
Agüero even on that summer’s evening in Carrow Road – have been plundered by 
Everton, Watford and, finally, West Ham.

Norwich have gone down ignominiously in the end, barely leaving an impression 
on a division where they couldn’t score goals and never looked like keeping 
them out. For the most part they looked as callow as Bambi on work experience 
at the Factory. Did Norwich fail to stick to their philosophy or was it shown 
to be fool’s gold?

There are extenuating factors. Before the Manchester City match Daniel Farke 
had reeled off a list of fresh injuries that ran to 10 players. The treatment 
room never cleared up, even after lockdown. Ultimately Farke will have gone a 
whole season without a full complement of central defenders. and often the two 
that played were the two that were fit.

Struggling to put a team out after City, Norwich began a run that would tally 
just one win in the next 16 league matches. Confidence fell visibly from week 
to week and when form improved over Christmas, slender leads against Tottenham 
and Crystal Palace were lost under pressure at the last. The team could never 
recover their spirit and again, even after lockdown, there has been little sign 
of the energy and vibrancy with which the team started the season.

But maybe they were just worked out. After beating Guardiola’s men, the 
Canaries travelled to Turf Moor. Chris Wood scored a near-post header from a 
corner within 10 minutes. Four minutes later he scored after the right-back Max 
Aarons coughed up possession in his own third. Palace successfully deployed the 
same tactics at Selhurst Park the following week and the word was out: press 
the full-backs, play for set pieces and Norwich are in trouble.

Those full-backs, Aarons and Jamal Lewis, are highly talented young players. 
But neither had played a minute of Premier League football before this season. 
Aarons had only 43 senior appearances full stop. Their numbers were reflective 
of a squad almost entirely without top-flight experience, and the amount they 
had to learn was another barrier the team failed to clear.

Norwich chose not to bring in some seasoned heads, either last summer or in 
January. The sporting director Stuart Webber’s strategy for the club is built 
on giving young players regular first-team opportunities. It’s also 
self-funding, spending only what the club can afford, and after losses of £38m 
the previous season and new contracts for the team that won the Championship, 
there wasn’t much money to go around.

Webber brought in nine players for a total expenditure, including loan fees, of 
£4.5m. Of these, however, only Sam Byram can be considered a success and he was 
the only one to have played in the Premier League before. Three of the four 
loan signings had their contracts terminated early. The fourth, the playmaker 
Ondrej Duda, arrived from Hertha Berlin hailed by Farke as a £25m player. He 
has yet to score or assist a goal.

Watching from the stands, before and after lockdown, the squad’s wholesale loss 
of confidence seems the most telling factor. That’s the thing that most 
undermined the original plan, the “philosophy”. But it’s also true that without 
belief a lot of Norwich’s squad were exposed for what they were: bargain buys 
who were not the complete package. Arguably only the goalkeeper Tim Krul showed 
himself to be a reliable Premier League player. But he was a proven 
international whom Norwich were able to sign because, at the point, a knee 
injury had put a question mark over his career.

When the plan was to play the slick technical football that had sliced through 
the Championship the previous year, to take an ambitious rather than a 
pragmatic approach, to do so with such a squad came with a big downside risk. 
That risk was exposed and made real. Now Webber will be asking himself what 
comes next. New players have already been signed; with one eye on the 
Championship, even in January. More height has been added, more pace. It seems 
certain that Farke will be given the chance next season to adapt a more 
resolute version of his team.

Norwich will now have to start again, however, in a division Farke calls the 
toughest in Europe. They will also have to throw off the trauma of 

Re: [LU] Norwich

[Jim Moran]

Norwich bottled the game.

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at 21:46, Matt Anderson  wrote:

> Not that impressed by Liverpool. They have been clinical with chances but
> it’s not like Barcelona in their prime.
>
> Yet commentators seem to think it is
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 9 Aug 2019, at 20:44, Richard Naef 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Fairly pleased to have started off hammering Bristol city rather than
> being Norwich right >now
> >
> > Especially if you read what Stephen Warnock says about Norwich;
> >
> > "Look at the way Norwich are playing out from the back. I feel they're
> inviting pressure on themselves that they don't need. I know you want to
> stick to your game plan and play in a certain style but Liverpool are on
> their game tonight. They look fluent, they look in the mood to play
> football and they feel they can score a hatful of goals."
> >
> >
>
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Matt Anderson]

Not that impressed by Liverpool. They have been clinical with chances but it’s 
not like Barcelona in their prime. 

Yet commentators seem to think it is 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Aug 2019, at 20:44, Richard Naef  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Fairly pleased to have started off hammering Bristol city rather than being 
>> Norwich right >now 
> 
> Especially if you read what Stephen Warnock says about Norwich; 
> 
> "Look at the way Norwich are playing out from the back. I feel they're 
> inviting pressure on themselves that they don't need. I know you want to 
> stick to your game plan and play in a certain style but Liverpool are on 
> their game tonight. They look fluent, they look in the mood to play football 
> and they feel they can score a hatful of goals."
> 
> 

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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Richard Naef]

>Fairly pleased to have started off hammering Bristol city rather than being 
>Norwich right >now 

Especially if you read what Stephen Warnock says about Norwich; 

"Look at the way Norwich are playing out from the back. I feel they're inviting 
pressure on themselves that they don't need. I know you want to stick to your 
game plan and play in a certain style but Liverpool are on their game tonight. 
They look fluent, they look in the mood to play football and they feel they can 
score a hatful of goals."


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[LU] Norwich

[Matt Anderson]

Fairly pleased to have started off hammering Bristol city rather than being 
Norwich right now 

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Wonder save at Rotherham? Actually coming out for crosses? Really good and 
quick distribution?
On Monday, February 4, 2019, 2:00:55 PM EST, seanscribe--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 My team for 'Boro would be:
GK: Peacock-Farrell (I am yet to see what's so special about Casilla, and the 
defense has looked less organized with him in goal)
LB: Alioski (Douglas did not look up to speed Saturday; I'd want Alioski to 
venture forward and overlap with Hernandez, who I've put on the left wing)CH: 
CooperCH JanssonRB: Shackleton (Ayling has been poor the last few games; I'd 
give him a rest and put Shackleton on, even though he's very short and 'Boro 
are a team of giants; I think Shackleton would move the ball to Clarke more 
quickly)
DM: Phillips (we need his aggression and range of passing, again to get the 
ball to Clarke ASAP)
RW: Clarke (simply our most dangerous player, but the team have to get him the 
ball more often and faster, so that he has time to attack the opposition at 
speed, rather than receive the ball when they've already planted two men on 
him)CM: Klich CM: Roberts (he looked quite good in the first half on Saturday, 
and we need more creativity up front than we'd get with Forshaw) LW: Hernandez 
(if he's uninjured, we could still use his nous and creativity; otherwise, I'd 
put Harrison or Roofe here)
CF: Bamford (I think a fit Bamford will go a long way towards improving our 
chances to goals ratio; like a lot of our regular starters, Roofe has looked 
mentally and physically tired recently)
Subs: Casilla, Halme, Douglas, Ayling, Forshaw, Brown, Roofe.
The approach should be to attack Boro at pace, with lots of fast passing, with 
the aim of either moving the ball quickly on the ground through the center of 
their defence, or getting it to Clarke to get to the byline and put in the sort 
of dangerous crosses/passes in which he specializes. Under no circumstances 
should we play a mostly aerial game, nor dawdle on the ball long enough for 
their physical players to knock us off it.
Cheers!
Sean

-Original Message-
From: Robert Heath 
To: nat...@sky.com 
Cc: Leeds List 
Sent: Mon, Feb 4, 2019 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

Exactly my thoughts re the match..Norwich were impressive,
especially in the second half, but every little thing and bounce of the
ball did go against us. Normally, I am a firm believer in the maxim that
"you mek yer own luck", but I felt that we started out looking great, and
they started out looking very jittery. Just about the only time they got
the ball in our half in the early minutes, Pontus imperiously strode away
with the ball..and then was rather wierdly
dispossessed.there followed a dubious freekick and a deflection and
suddenly we were a goal behind. Of course, after that, they suddenly
weren't so jittery any more. Their second goal was
similarForshaw lost it in almost exactly the same spot and same
manner, then a lot of things happened before Pukki had his tap in.

It will be interesting to see the team for Boro. Given that Bielsa has
bemoaned our defensive frailty, one would think that Phillips has to come
back in, but for whom? I thought that Forshaw was our best player for the
first hour at least. And Pablo..what the hell was wrong with him?
He was awful and deserved to be subbed at ht, but unless he's injured he
must surely return. Dropping Roofe for Bamford would seem harsh but should
perhaps happen. And who at LB..Douglas was pretty woeful.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 6:14 PM nat...@sky.com  wrote:

>  We were discussing this on Saturday (before the game) and all felt it was
> this year or never (or not soon at any rate) Bielsa has worked wonders
> because ALL the players and fans have bought into it (other than mabye Saiz
> who we let go) however IF we fail to go up then a lot of players and fans
> will no longer believe in it which may well result in some of them
> 'resorting to type' and being the crap players they were last year.
>  Add to that offers will come in for the likes of Clarke who would
> probably end up leaving  which will seriously weaken the squad, so unless
> they allow Bielsa to bring in 5 or 6 players chosen by him and early enough
> to get all his pre season training in, I cannot see him getting us promoted
> next season.
> The return of Bamford plus Roberts being fit does mean that I am still
> fairly confident this will be our year but I do think it is now or never
> for Bielsa
> Even though Norwich deserved their win , they did get all the luck and
> decisions when needed - a deflected free kick which the keeper may have
> otherwise saved, a good penalty shout turned down for the push on Roberts -
> seen them given as they say, The keeper could have got a red card (probably
> harsh but again seen them given) The second goal would have been stopped if
> Pontus' block had worke

Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[seanscribe--- via Leedslist]

My team for 'Boro would be:
GK: Peacock-Farrell (I am yet to see what's so special about Casilla, and the 
defense has looked less organized with him in goal)
LB: Alioski (Douglas did not look up to speed Saturday; I'd want Alioski to 
venture forward and overlap with Hernandez, who I've put on the left wing)CH: 
CooperCH JanssonRB: Shackleton (Ayling has been poor the last few games; I'd 
give him a rest and put Shackleton on, even though he's very short and 'Boro 
are a team of giants; I think Shackleton would move the ball to Clarke more 
quickly)
DM: Phillips (we need his aggression and range of passing, again to get the 
ball to Clarke ASAP)
RW: Clarke (simply our most dangerous player, but the team have to get him the 
ball more often and faster, so that he has time to attack the opposition at 
speed, rather than receive the ball when they've already planted two men on 
him)CM: Klich CM: Roberts (he looked quite good in the first half on Saturday, 
and we need more creativity up front than we'd get with Forshaw) LW: Hernandez 
(if he's uninjured, we could still use his nous and creativity; otherwise, I'd 
put Harrison or Roofe here)
CF: Bamford (I think a fit Bamford will go a long way towards improving our 
chances to goals ratio; like a lot of our regular starters, Roofe has looked 
mentally and physically tired recently)
Subs: Casilla, Halme, Douglas, Ayling, Forshaw, Brown, Roofe.
The approach should be to attack Boro at pace, with lots of fast passing, with 
the aim of either moving the ball quickly on the ground through the center of 
their defence, or getting it to Clarke to get to the byline and put in the sort 
of dangerous crosses/passes in which he specializes. Under no circumstances 
should we play a mostly aerial game, nor dawdle on the ball long enough for 
their physical players to knock us off it.
Cheers!
Sean

-Original Message-
From: Robert Heath 
To: nat...@sky.com 
Cc: Leeds List 
Sent: Mon, Feb 4, 2019 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

Exactly my thoughts re the match..Norwich were impressive,
especially in the second half, but every little thing and bounce of the
ball did go against us. Normally, I am a firm believer in the maxim that
"you mek yer own luck", but I felt that we started out looking great, and
they started out looking very jittery. Just about the only time they got
the ball in our half in the early minutes, Pontus imperiously strode away
with the ball..and then was rather wierdly
dispossessed.there followed a dubious freekick and a deflection and
suddenly we were a goal behind. Of course, after that, they suddenly
weren't so jittery any more. Their second goal was
similarForshaw lost it in almost exactly the same spot and same
manner, then a lot of things happened before Pukki had his tap in.

It will be interesting to see the team for Boro. Given that Bielsa has
bemoaned our defensive frailty, one would think that Phillips has to come
back in, but for whom? I thought that Forshaw was our best player for the
first hour at least. And Pablo..what the hell was wrong with him?
He was awful and deserved to be subbed at ht, but unless he's injured he
must surely return. Dropping Roofe for Bamford would seem harsh but should
perhaps happen. And who at LB..Douglas was pretty woeful.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 6:14 PM nat...@sky.com  wrote:

>  We were discussing this on Saturday (before the game) and all felt it was
> this year or never (or not soon at any rate) Bielsa has worked wonders
> because ALL the players and fans have bought into it (other than mabye Saiz
> who we let go) however IF we fail to go up then a lot of players and fans
> will no longer believe in it which may well result in some of them
> 'resorting to type' and being the crap players they were last year.
>  Add to that offers will come in for the likes of Clarke who would
> probably end up leaving  which will seriously weaken the squad, so unless
> they allow Bielsa to bring in 5 or 6 players chosen by him and early enough
> to get all his pre season training in, I cannot see him getting us promoted
> next season.
> The return of Bamford plus Roberts being fit does mean that I am still
> fairly confident this will be our year but I do think it is now or never
> for Bielsa
> Even though Norwich deserved their win , they did get all the luck and
> decisions when needed - a deflected free kick which the keeper may have
> otherwise saved, a good penalty shout turned down for the push on Roberts -
> seen them given as they say, The keeper could have got a red card (probably
> harsh but again seen them given) The second goal would have been stopped if
> Pontus' block had worked or it he had missed it altogether. The goal from
> Ayling (some refs would not have blown ) albeit the whistle had gone before
> he shot. The 3rd goal that totally killed it also to

Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Robert Heath]

Exactly my thoughts re the match..Norwich were impressive,
especially in the second half, but every little thing and bounce of the
ball did go against us. Normally, I am a firm believer in the maxim that
"you mek yer own luck", but I felt that we started out looking great, and
they started out looking very jittery. Just about the only time they got
the ball in our half in the early minutes, Pontus imperiously strode away
with the ball..and then was rather wierdly
dispossessed.there followed a dubious freekick and a deflection and
suddenly we were a goal behind. Of course, after that, they suddenly
weren't so jittery any more. Their second goal was
similarForshaw lost it in almost exactly the same spot and same
manner, then a lot of things happened before Pukki had his tap in.

It will be interesting to see the team for Boro. Given that Bielsa has
bemoaned our defensive frailty, one would think that Phillips has to come
back in, but for whom? I thought that Forshaw was our best player for the
first hour at least. And Pablo..what the hell was wrong with him?
He was awful and deserved to be subbed at ht, but unless he's injured he
must surely return. Dropping Roofe for Bamford would seem harsh but should
perhaps happen. And who at LB..Douglas was pretty woeful.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 6:14 PM nat...@sky.com  wrote:

>  We were discussing this on Saturday (before the game) and all felt it was
> this year or never (or not soon at any rate) Bielsa has worked wonders
> because ALL the players and fans have bought into it (other than mabye Saiz
> who we let go) however IF we fail to go up then a lot of players and fans
> will no longer believe in it which may well result in some of them
> 'resorting to type' and being the crap players they were last year.
>  Add to that offers will come in for the likes of Clarke who would
> probably end up leaving  which will seriously weaken the squad, so unless
> they allow Bielsa to bring in 5 or 6 players chosen by him and early enough
> to get all his pre season training in, I cannot see him getting us promoted
> next season.
> The return of Bamford plus Roberts being fit does mean that I am still
> fairly confident this will be our year but I do think it is now or never
> for Bielsa
> Even though Norwich deserved their win , they did get all the luck and
> decisions when needed - a deflected free kick which the keeper may have
> otherwise saved, a good penalty shout turned down for the push on Roberts -
> seen them given as they say, The keeper could have got a red card (probably
> harsh but again seen them given) The second goal would have been stopped if
> Pontus' block had worked or it he had missed it altogether. The goal from
> Ayling (some refs would not have blown ) albeit the whistle had gone before
> he shot. The 3rd goal that totally killed it also took a deflection so the
> keeper missed it
> So it was a game of fine margins (not trying to claim we were robbed or
> unlucky but on a different day some of these incidents could have gone in
> our favour) I suppose you would have to put our goal in this category since
> the corner should not have been given since the keeper did not save
> Bamfords shot onto the bar
> So we need to get back on track and at least avoid defeat on Saturday but
> we are still in the driving seat and if we continue to play as well as we
> have for most of the season we will win plenty especially if Bamford stays
> fit
> Dave
>
>
> On Monday, 4 February 2019, 16:22:10 GMT, Guy Bonello <
> guybone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  If (and I hope he does not) Bielsa jumps ship in June, we could do no
> worse than promote Corbaran.Bielsa has already moved him up to assist him
> as well as look after the u-23's.
>
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 15:50, Jeremy Adams 
> wrote:
>
> My concern about not going up this season is will Bielsa stay or will he
> get bored and leave? He's worked absolute wonders with the squad but it's
> still probably not good enough to get promoted and stay in the premier
> league. If we lose Bielsa in the summer then we'll be starting all over
> again!
>
> Jeremy
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:02 PM
> To: Nicholas Armit; nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts
>
>
>
>
> >That is what Brighton did right? Took about three>
> > years of continuing improvement?
>
> Hughton joined midway 2014 season and they went up 2 season afterwards I
> know a lot of their fans and they were generally very supportive of Hughton
> even when things went a little array.   You can find examples to match any
&

Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Guy Bonello]

If (and I hope he does not) Bielsa jumps ship in June, we could do no worse
than promote Corbaran.
Bielsa has already moved him up to assist him  as well as look after the
u-23's.


On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 15:50, Jeremy Adams  wrote:

> My concern about not going up this season is will Bielsa stay or will he
> get bored and leave? He's worked absolute wonders with the squad but it's
> still probably not good enough to get promoted and stay in the premier
> league. If we lose Bielsa in the summer then we'll be starting all over
> again!
>
> Jeremy
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:02 PM
> To: Nicholas Armit; nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts
>
>
>
>
> >That is what Brighton did right? Took about three>
> > years of continuing improvement?
>
> Hughton joined midway 2014 season and they went up 2 season afterwards I
> know a lot of their fans and they were generally very supportive of Hughton
> even when things went a little array.   You can find examples to match any
> hypothesis from teams that have got promoted in the last few years.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 2, 2019, 7:52:55 PM EST, Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk<mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
> wrote:
>
>
> 100% Dave.  It's a fantastic season, it might end in disappointment, in
> which case we aren’t ready for promotion.  Heresy I know, but another
> season in the Championship building the team might not be a bad idea.
>
>
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com>
> Sent: 02 February 2019 22:32
> To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts
>
> Just got home so have not seen anything on TV or read any reports so here
> are a few thoughts from watching it live A great atmosphere to start with
> but that soon died and apart from a brilliant whole ground Waccoe at two
> down the fans were poor today. The number who left as their 3rd went in was
> nothing short of disgraceful and the general mood around me was 'F off,
> good riddance, and dont come back' if you could not even bother staying to
> the end just because we had lost !
> Game started Ok but a 'foul' (not convinced it was a foul but a tackle
> from behind is always dodgy) gave them a free kick on the edge of the box
> and a wicked deflection put them a goal up. After that they were a horrible
> team - plenty of time wasting and one blatant dive and one rolliing around
> holding his face incident should have led to two yellow cards Then the
> keeper was lucky not to see a red when he came out and clattered Roberts,
> plus we had a good shout for a penalty for a foul on Pontus.
> We huffed and puffed a bit and looked decent enough but every 50/50
> decision and loose ball and every bit of luck went their way and that
> culminated in a terrible mistake by Forshaw that enabled them to get 2 up A
> couple of changes at half time showed we were going for it, the ineffectual
> Harrison and the out of sorts (? not fully fit ) Hernandez being replace by
> Clarke and Douglas, We had a few chances to pull one back , a great cross
> along the six yard box was well defended, our one decent shot on target was
> well saved and a good free kick was headed wide by Ayling. They continued
> to pick up all the pieces and win 50/50s so perhaps it was due to good play
> rather than luck Then a quick break, another deflected shot and 3 0 game
> over - cue mass exodus - the players tonight and over the season so far
> deserved better Bamford came on , scored with a good back header but too
> little too late - albeit it led fans to (wrongly) sing we are top of the
> league -they too stupid to understand goal difference ?
> So an average performance led to a very poor result - made a bit better by
> the fact that West Brom had lost at home to Boro earlier on . Our recent
> form is not great and we are in danger of messing it all up, despite some
> fans trying to lighten the mood at the bus stop etc by declaring we are
> joint top The fact that Bamford was on the bench and even better scored, is
> the only real bright spot from the game (Clarke did impress again as an
> impact sub) As I say, anyone who has seen the game on TV before or since
> may dispute a lot of my 'facts' but I am just saying it as I saw it Need to
> at least avoid defeat next week at Boro and then beat Swansea to stop this
> season going down the tubes Dan James would not have made a difference to
> the result Too soon

Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[nat...@sky.com]

 We were discussing this on Saturday (before the game) and all felt it was this 
year or never (or not soon at any rate) Bielsa has worked wonders because ALL 
the players and fans have bought into it (other than mabye Saiz who we let go) 
however IF we fail to go up then a lot of players and fans will no longer 
believe in it which may well result in some of them 'resorting to type' and 
being the crap players they were last year.
 Add to that offers will come in for the likes of Clarke who would probably end 
up leaving  which will seriously weaken the squad, so unless they allow Bielsa 
to bring in 5 or 6 players chosen by him and early enough to get all his pre 
season training in, I cannot see him getting us promoted next season.
The return of Bamford plus Roberts being fit does mean that I am still fairly 
confident this will be our year but I do think it is now or never for Bielsa
Even though Norwich deserved their win , they did get all the luck and 
decisions when needed - a deflected free kick which the keeper may have 
otherwise saved, a good penalty shout turned down for the push on Roberts - 
seen them given as they say, The keeper could have got a red card (probably 
harsh but again seen them given) The second goal would have been stopped if 
Pontus' block had worked or it he had missed it altogether. The goal from 
Ayling (some refs would not have blown ) albeit the whistle had gone before he 
shot. The 3rd goal that totally killed it also took a deflection so the keeper 
missed it
So it was a game of fine margins (not trying to claim we were robbed or unlucky 
but on a different day some of these incidents could have gone in our favour) I 
suppose you would have to put our goal in this category since the corner should 
not have been given since the keeper did not save Bamfords shot onto the bar
So we need to get back on track and at least avoid defeat on Saturday but we 
are still in the driving seat and if we continue to play as well as we have for 
most of the season we will win plenty especially if Bamford stays fit
Dave


On Monday, 4 February 2019, 16:22:10 GMT, Guy Bonello 
 wrote:  
 
 If (and I hope he does not) Bielsa jumps ship in June, we could do no worse 
than promote Corbaran.Bielsa has already moved him up to assist him  as well as 
look after the u-23's.

On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 15:50, Jeremy Adams  wrote:

My concern about not going up this season is will Bielsa stay or will he get 
bored and leave? He's worked absolute wonders with the squad but it's still 
probably not good enough to get promoted and stay in the premier league. If we 
lose Bielsa in the summer then we'll be starting all over again!

Jeremy


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:02 PM
To: Nicholas Armit; nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts




>That is what Brighton did right? Took about three>
> years of continuing improvement?

Hughton joined midway 2014 season and they went up 2 season afterwards I know a 
lot of their fans and they were generally very supportive of Hughton even when 
things went a little array.   You can find examples to match any hypothesis 
from teams that have got promoted in the last few years.



On Saturday, February 2, 2019, 7:52:55 PM EST, Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> wrote:


100% Dave.  It's a fantastic season, it might end in disappointment, in which 
case we aren’t ready for promotion.  Heresy I know, but another season in the 
Championship building the team might not be a bad idea.



ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of nat...@sky.com<mailto:nat...@sky.com>
Sent: 02 February 2019 22:32
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

Just got home so have not seen anything on TV or read any reports so here are a 
few thoughts from watching it live A great atmosphere to start with but that 
soon died and apart from a brilliant whole ground Waccoe at two down the fans 
were poor today. The number who left as their 3rd went in was nothing short of 
disgraceful and the general mood around me was 'F off, good riddance, and dont 
come back' if you could not even bother staying to the end just because we had 
lost !
Game started Ok but a 'foul' (not convinced it was a foul but a tackle from 
behind is always dodgy) gave them a free kick on the edge of the box and a 
wicked deflection put them a goal up. After that they were a horrible team - 
plenty of time wasting and one blatant dive and one rolliing around holding his 
face incident should have led to two yellow cards Then the keeper was lucky not 
to see a red when he came out and clattered Roberts, plus we had a good shout 
for a penalty for a foul on Pontus.
We huffed and puffed a bit and looked decent enough but every 50/50 decision 
and loos

Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Jeremy Adams]

My concern about not going up this season is will Bielsa stay or will he get 
bored and leave? He's worked absolute wonders with the squad but it's still 
probably not good enough to get promoted and stay in the premier league. If we 
lose Bielsa in the summer then we'll be starting all over again!

Jeremy


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:02 PM
To: Nicholas Armit; nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts




>That is what Brighton did right? Took about three>
> years of continuing improvement?

Hughton joined midway 2014 season and they went up 2 season afterwards I know a 
lot of their fans and they were generally very supportive of Hughton even when 
things went a little array.   You can find examples to match any hypothesis 
from teams that have got promoted in the last few years.



On Saturday, February 2, 2019, 7:52:55 PM EST, Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> wrote:


100% Dave.  It's a fantastic season, it might end in disappointment, in which 
case we aren’t ready for promotion.  Heresy I know, but another season in the 
Championship building the team might not be a bad idea.



ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of nat...@sky.com<mailto:nat...@sky.com>
Sent: 02 February 2019 22:32
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

Just got home so have not seen anything on TV or read any reports so here are a 
few thoughts from watching it live A great atmosphere to start with but that 
soon died and apart from a brilliant whole ground Waccoe at two down the fans 
were poor today. The number who left as their 3rd went in was nothing short of 
disgraceful and the general mood around me was 'F off, good riddance, and dont 
come back' if you could not even bother staying to the end just because we had 
lost !
Game started Ok but a 'foul' (not convinced it was a foul but a tackle from 
behind is always dodgy) gave them a free kick on the edge of the box and a 
wicked deflection put them a goal up. After that they were a horrible team - 
plenty of time wasting and one blatant dive and one rolliing around holding his 
face incident should have led to two yellow cards Then the keeper was lucky not 
to see a red when he came out and clattered Roberts, plus we had a good shout 
for a penalty for a foul on Pontus.
We huffed and puffed a bit and looked decent enough but every 50/50 decision 
and loose ball and every bit of luck went their way and that culminated in a 
terrible mistake by Forshaw that enabled them to get 2 up A couple of changes 
at half time showed we were going for it, the ineffectual Harrison and the out 
of sorts (? not fully fit ) Hernandez being replace by Clarke and Douglas, We 
had a few chances to pull one back , a great cross along the six yard box was 
well defended, our one decent shot on target was well saved and a good free 
kick was headed wide by Ayling. They continued to pick up all the pieces and 
win 50/50s so perhaps it was due to good play rather than luck Then a quick 
break, another deflected shot and 3 0 game over - cue mass exodus - the players 
tonight and over the season so far deserved better Bamford came on , scored 
with a good back header but too little too late - albeit it led fans to 
(wrongly) sing we are top of the league -they too stupid to understand goal 
difference ?
So an average performance led to a very poor result - made a bit better by the 
fact that West Brom had lost at home to Boro earlier on . Our recent form is 
not great and we are in danger of messing it all up, despite some fans trying 
to lighten the mood at the bus stop etc by declaring we are joint top The fact 
that Bamford was on the bench and even better scored, is the only real bright 
spot from the game (Clarke did impress again as an impact sub) As I say, anyone 
who has seen the game on TV before or since may dispute a lot of my 'facts' but 
I am just saying it as I saw it Need to at least avoid defeat next week at Boro 
and then beat Swansea to stop this season going down the tubes Dan James would 
not have made a difference to the result Too soon to panic and whatever the 
next 16 games bring this has been a great season Dave(pissed up and a bit 
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Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Richard Naef]

>That is what Brighton did right? Took about three>
> years of continuing improvement?

Hughton joined midway 2014 season and they went up 2 season afterwards I know a 
lot of their fans and they were generally very supportive of Hughton even when 
things went a little array.   You can find examples to match any hypothesis 
from teams that have got promoted in the last few years.



On Saturday, February 2, 2019, 7:52:55 PM EST, Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> wrote:


100% Dave.  It's a fantastic season, it might end in disappointment, in which 
case we aren’t ready for promotion.  Heresy I know, but another season in the 
Championship building the team might not be a bad idea.



ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of nat...@sky.com<mailto:nat...@sky.com>
Sent: 02 February 2019 22:32
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

Just got home so have not seen anything on TV or read any reports so here are a 
few thoughts from watching it live A great atmosphere to start with but that 
soon died and apart from a brilliant whole ground Waccoe at two down the fans 
were poor today. The number who left as their 3rd went in was nothing short of 
disgraceful and the general mood around me was 'F off, good riddance, and dont 
come back' if you could not even bother staying to the end just because we had 
lost !
Game started Ok but a 'foul' (not convinced it was a foul but a tackle from 
behind is always dodgy) gave them a free kick on the edge of the box and a 
wicked deflection put them a goal up. After that they were a horrible team - 
plenty of time wasting and one blatant dive and one rolliing around holding his 
face incident should have led to two yellow cards Then the keeper was lucky not 
to see a red when he came out and clattered Roberts, plus we had a good shout 
for a penalty for a foul on Pontus.
We huffed and puffed a bit and looked decent enough but every 50/50 decision 
and loose ball and every bit of luck went their way and that culminated in a 
terrible mistake by Forshaw that enabled them to get 2 up A couple of changes 
at half time showed we were going for it, the ineffectual Harrison and the out 
of sorts (? not fully fit ) Hernandez being replace by Clarke and Douglas, We 
had a few chances to pull one back , a great cross along the six yard box was 
well defended, our one decent shot on target was well saved and a good free 
kick was headed wide by Ayling. They continued to pick up all the pieces and 
win 50/50s so perhaps it was due to good play rather than luck Then a quick 
break, another deflected shot and 3 0 game over - cue mass exodus - the players 
tonight and over the season so far deserved better Bamford came on , scored 
with a good back header but too little too late - albeit it led fans to 
(wrongly) sing we are top of the league -they too stupid to understand goal 
difference ?
So an average performance led to a very poor result - made a bit better by the 
fact that West Brom had lost at home to Boro earlier on . Our recent form is 
not great and we are in danger of messing it all up, despite some fans trying 
to lighten the mood at the bus stop etc by declaring we are joint top The fact 
that Bamford was on the bench and even better scored, is the only real bright 
spot from the game (Clarke did impress again as an impact sub) As I say, anyone 
who has seen the game on TV before or since may dispute a lot of my 'facts' but 
I am just saying it as I saw it Need to at least avoid defeat next week at Boro 
and then beat Swansea to stop this season going down the tubes Dan James would 
not have made a difference to the result Too soon to panic and whatever the 
next 16 games bring this has been a great season Dave(pissed up and a bit 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Ted]

> Wait, five hours before and four after?!
>
> Nick
>
> Well... 12 til 4.30 - then the pub was interrupted by a stupid football
match, then pub from 7.30ish to 9, train trip then pub from 10.15 to
midnight.

Needless to say, "I was very, very drunk."

;-)


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Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 That is what Brighton did right? Took about three years of continuing 
improvement?
Nick
On Saturday, February 2, 2019, 7:52:55 PM EST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 100% Dave.  It's a fantastic season, it might end in disappointment, in which 
case we aren’t ready for promotion.  Heresy I know, but another season in the 
Championship building the team might not be a bad idea.  



ttfn

Richard

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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 02 February 2019 22:32
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

Just got home so have not seen anything on TV or read any reports so here are a 
few thoughts from watching it live A great atmosphere to start with but that 
soon died and apart from a brilliant whole ground Waccoe at two down the fans 
were poor today. The number who left as their 3rd went in was nothing short of 
disgraceful and the general mood around me was 'F off, good riddance, and dont 
come back' if you could not even bother staying to the end just because we had 
lost !
Game started Ok but a 'foul' (not convinced it was a foul but a tackle from 
behind is always dodgy) gave them a free kick on the edge of the box and a 
wicked deflection put them a goal up. After that they were a horrible team - 
plenty of time wasting and one blatant dive and one rolliing around holding his 
face incident should have led to two yellow cards Then the keeper was lucky not 
to see a red when he came out and clattered Roberts, plus we had a good shout 
for a penalty for a foul on Pontus.
We huffed and puffed a bit and looked decent enough but every 50/50 decision 
and loose ball and every bit of luck went their way and that culminated in a 
terrible mistake by Forshaw that enabled them to get 2 up A couple of changes 
at half time showed we were going for it, the ineffectual Harrison and the out 
of sorts (? not fully fit ) Hernandez being replace by Clarke and Douglas, We 
had a few chances to pull one back , a great cross along the six yard box was 
well defended, our one decent shot on target was well saved and a good free 
kick was headed wide by Ayling. They continued to pick up all the pieces and 
win 50/50s so perhaps it was due to good play rather than luck Then a quick 
break, another deflected shot and 3 0 game over - cue mass exodus - the players 
tonight and over the season so far deserved better Bamford came on , scored 
with a good back header but too little too late - albeit it led fans to 
(wrongly) sing we are top of the league -they too stupid to understand goal 
difference ?
So an average performance led to a very poor result - made a bit better by the 
fact that West Brom had lost at home to Boro earlier on . Our recent form is 
not great and we are in danger of messing it all up, despite some fans trying 
to lighten the mood at the bus stop etc by declaring we are joint top The fact 
that Bamford was on the bench and even better scored, is the only real bright 
spot from the game (Clarke did impress again as an impact sub) As I say, anyone 
who has seen the game on TV before or since may dispute a lot of my 'facts' but 
I am just saying it as I saw it Need to at least avoid defeat next week at Boro 
and then beat Swansea to stop this season going down the tubes Dan James would 
not have made a difference to the result Too soon to panic and whatever the 
next 16 games bring this has been a great season Dave(pissed up and a bit 
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Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Maybe Douglas would be better upfield and Alioski at left back? So in essence 
switch them round?
I agree with Shackleton instead of Ayling, problem next week is that boro are 
giants and will just launch it in the box. So maybe the week later :-)

Nick
On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 6:11:12 AM EST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  A few thoughts from me. 
Lots of positives first half. I thought we played some great fast moving 
football and Norwich struggled at times to live with us. Unfortunately for us 
all that great play broke down at the edge of their box. Roofe is struggling 
and receiving the ball with his back to goal against someone who is twice his 
size is not what we want from him and the amount of times he lost possession 
yesterday was criminal. Compare to Bamford who played this role with ease. 
Norwich had the best front line of any team I've seen recently. Hernandez for 
them was MOTM and he looked a class above everyone else on the pitch. What a 
player and I'd be surprised to see him playing at Norwich after this season 
especially if they don't get promoted. Compare to our Hernandez who saw a lot 
of the ball but couldn't do anything with it. Having said that we missed his 
energy second half and just don't look the same team without him. 
I think Harrison on the whole has flattered to deceive. Yes he can play but 
there's rarely a good outcome to his play and I'm sure we're only playing him 
week in week out due to his contract and agreement we've got with his club. 
I thought defensively we were poor albeit against some pacey skillful 
attackers. Ayling can forget any thoughts of him playing at a higher level than 
this because he looked completely out of his depth at times and his passing 
just doesn't get any better. I'd look to play Shackleton. Having said that 
their second goal was as spawny as you can get and I'd question our wall 
positiioning for their free kick. They could have had another couple though.  
Second half wasn't as good and they looked pretty much in control until Bamford 
came on and nearly got a brace with this first 2 touches. He looks like the 
real deal to me at this level but is he fit ? Their third was just a cock up 
and you can say what you want about BFP's errors but none were as bad as 
Casilla's attempt at saving that. Early days to judge him but that was shite. 
Douglas came on and showed us yet again his inability to defend. At the start 
of the season everyone was thinking why had such a great player joined us but 
now it's clear that Wolves have offloaded someone who wouldn't have stood a 
chance in the PL. 
So overall, beaten by a better side (well their forward players were) but if we 
play at that pace and commitment with Bamford up front for the rest of the 
season I can't see us losing that many. 
One final word on the fans, which Nick got spot on. The ground emptied very 
quickly with over 15 minutes to go and it's ok to turn up and swirl your scarf 
in the air but there's a lot of happy clappy fuckers who have turned up this 
season but will disappear quickly if things take a downturn. I had to scramble 
for a ticket and yes that's probably my fault for not committing to a season 
ticket these days but if we're really giving tickets for loyalty half these 
fuckers shouldn't even be considered. Hopefully they'll not fancy the Sky game 
versus West Brom on a Friday night and I might have a better chance. I tried to 
upgrade my 'Silver Membership' to gold this week but was told there's no 
upgrade process you can only buy a gold separately. Fucking ridiculous. Rant 
over. If anyone with a season ticket wants to buy me 3 tickets for the West 
Brom game when they go on sale I would be v.grateful and transfer money before 
you send me them. As it stands I have to wait until season ticket holders and 
gold members have snapped up tickets before I get a chance. 
My scores:
Casilla - 4. Poor keeping for 3rd goal 
Ayling - 4. Some good forward movement in first half but generally shit 
Allioski - 6. I thought he did ok. Better prospect than Douglas at left back 
maybe ?
Jansson - 6.  Both Jansson and Cooper got through lots of good defensive work 
but today they met their match big time. 
Cooper - 6. Ditto
Forshaw - 7. Lot of people slagging him off and yes he lost his way second half 
as Norwich took control but I thought he was immense in the first and covered a 
hell of a lot of ground. 
Klich - 5. Good first half but faded badly second. 
Harrison - 4. A few decent moments first half but ineffective. 
Roofe - 4. Apparently he nearly scored start of the first half - I missed that 
as I was finishing of my beer. Apart from that he was ineffective. He's had a 
great season but time for a rest. 
Roberts - 6. I would have taken Roofe over before Roberts. I thought he looked 
very lively and did at least manage an effort in the first half. 
Subs:
Bamford - 8. It's aways easier to come on as a sub especially when team you're 
playing 

Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I don't think Harrison was that bad. Not convinced Clarke can go a whole game.
On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 5:09:41 AM EST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 Agree Dave. Been looking at remaining fixtures and after blades game there are 
a lot of winnable games. We just need to keep going for next few weeks.
As for the game, feels like an opportunity missed. Needless freekick following 
giving the ball away in a bad area leads to first goal, albeit from a deflected 
free kick and then they can sit and hit us on the break. I thought we were well 
on top after that and would equalise before half time but then Forshaw 
intervened. I thought he was superb against Derby but this was back to the 
Forshaw I don’t rate. Trips over the ball and gives them possession deep in our 
half and then plays Pukki onside to score. At the game I thought he was a mile 
offside but for some reason Forshaw is miles deeper than the rest of our 
defence and plays him on.
He nearly got caught in possession a few more times - he always seems to want 
more time than he actually has.
We also seem to have decided to start lunging into challenges with Forshaw and 
Ayling the main culprits, taking themselves completely out of the game.
I thought Ayling was really poor - if I was their winger I’d have kept running 
at him as his legs looked to have gone.
Pablo was as bad as I’ve ever seen him - I wonder if he’s not fully fit after 
going off injured against Rotherham.
Roofe was back to the Roofe of last season - falling over a lot and losing the 
ball.
After all that we’re still second and 3 clear of third with 16 games to play. 
It’s not all doom and gloom but there’s a worrying trend developing. Too many 
players running into bad form at a key point of the season.
Can’t help but think a few more signings in the window were needed.
Next game I’d play Shackleton for Ayling, Phillips for Forshaw, Clarke for 
Harrison and Bamford for Roofe.

S

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Feb 2019, at 22:31, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Just got home so have not seen anything on TV or read any reports so here are 
> a few thoughts from watching it live
> A great atmosphere to start with but that soon died and apart from a 
> brilliant whole ground Waccoe at two down the fans were poor today. The 
> number who left as their 3rd went in was nothing short of disgraceful and the 
> general mood around me was 'F off, good riddance, and dont come back' if you 
> could not even bother staying to the end just because we had lost !
> Game started Ok but a 'foul' (not convinced it was a foul but a tackle from 
> behind is always dodgy) gave them a free kick on the edge of the box and a 
> wicked deflection put them a goal up. After that they were a horrible team - 
> plenty of time wasting and one blatant dive and one rolliing around holding 
> his face incident should have led to two yellow cards
> Then the keeper was lucky not to see a red when he came out and clattered 
> Roberts, plus we had a good shout for a penalty for a foul on Pontus.
> We huffed and puffed a bit and looked decent enough but every 50/50 decision 
> and loose ball and every bit of luck went their way and that culminated in a 
> terrible mistake by Forshaw that enabled them to get 2 up
> A couple of changes at half time showed we were going for it, the ineffectual 
> Harrison and the out of sorts (? not fully fit ) Hernandez being replace by 
> Clarke and Douglas,
> We had a few chances to pull one back , a great cross along the six yard box 
> was well defended, our one decent shot on target was well saved and a good 
> free kick was headed wide by Ayling. They continued to pick up all the pieces 
> and win 50/50s so perhaps it was due to good play rather than luck
> Then a quick break, another deflected shot and 3 0 game over - cue mass 
> exodus - the players tonight and over the season so far deserved better
> Bamford came on , scored with a good back header but too little too late - 
> albeit it led fans to (wrongly) sing we are top of the league -they too 
> stupid to understand goal difference ?
> So an average performance led to a very poor result - made a bit better by 
> the fact that West Brom had lost at home to Boro earlier on . Our recent form 
> is not great and we are in danger of messing it all up, despite some fans 
> trying to lighten the mood at the bus stop etc by declaring we are joint top
> The fact that Bamford was on the bench and even better scored, is the only 
> real bright spot from the game (Clarke did impress again as an impact sub)
> As I say, anyone who has seen the game on TV before or since may dispute a 
> lot of my 'facts' but I am just saying it as I saw it
> Need to at least avoid defeat next week at Boro and then beat Swansea to stop 
> this season going down the tubes
> Dan James would not have made a difference to the result
> Too soon to panic and whatever the next 16 games bring this has been a great 
> season 
> Dave(pissed up and a bit pissed off)

Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I thought from the four games of Norwich, Middlesborough, Sheffield Utd and 
West Brom if we could get six points that would be good and keep us on track. 
Now we need two wins in three. Oh crap
On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 5:09:41 AM EST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 Agree Dave. Been looking at remaining fixtures and after blades game there are 
a lot of winnable games. We just need to keep going for next few weeks.
As for the game, feels like an opportunity missed. Needless freekick following 
giving the ball away in a bad area leads to first goal, albeit from a deflected 
free kick and then they can sit and hit us on the break. I thought we were well 
on top after that and would equalise before half time but then Forshaw 
intervened. I thought he was superb against Derby but this was back to the 
Forshaw I don’t rate. Trips over the ball and gives them possession deep in our 
half and then plays Pukki onside to score. At the game I thought he was a mile 
offside but for some reason Forshaw is miles deeper than the rest of our 
defence and plays him on.
He nearly got caught in possession a few more times - he always seems to want 
more time than he actually has.
We also seem to have decided to start lunging into challenges with Forshaw and 
Ayling the main culprits, taking themselves completely out of the game.
I thought Ayling was really poor - if I was their winger I’d have kept running 
at him as his legs looked to have gone.
Pablo was as bad as I’ve ever seen him - I wonder if he’s not fully fit after 
going off injured against Rotherham.
Roofe was back to the Roofe of last season - falling over a lot and losing the 
ball.
After all that we’re still second and 3 clear of third with 16 games to play. 
It’s not all doom and gloom but there’s a worrying trend developing. Too many 
players running into bad form at a key point of the season.
Can’t help but think a few more signings in the window were needed.
Next game I’d play Shackleton for Ayling, Phillips for Forshaw, Clarke for 
Harrison and Bamford for Roofe.

S

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Feb 2019, at 22:31, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Just got home so have not seen anything on TV or read any reports so here are 
> a few thoughts from watching it live
> A great atmosphere to start with but that soon died and apart from a 
> brilliant whole ground Waccoe at two down the fans were poor today. The 
> number who left as their 3rd went in was nothing short of disgraceful and the 
> general mood around me was 'F off, good riddance, and dont come back' if you 
> could not even bother staying to the end just because we had lost !
> Game started Ok but a 'foul' (not convinced it was a foul but a tackle from 
> behind is always dodgy) gave them a free kick on the edge of the box and a 
> wicked deflection put them a goal up. After that they were a horrible team - 
> plenty of time wasting and one blatant dive and one rolliing around holding 
> his face incident should have led to two yellow cards
> Then the keeper was lucky not to see a red when he came out and clattered 
> Roberts, plus we had a good shout for a penalty for a foul on Pontus.
> We huffed and puffed a bit and looked decent enough but every 50/50 decision 
> and loose ball and every bit of luck went their way and that culminated in a 
> terrible mistake by Forshaw that enabled them to get 2 up
> A couple of changes at half time showed we were going for it, the ineffectual 
> Harrison and the out of sorts (? not fully fit ) Hernandez being replace by 
> Clarke and Douglas,
> We had a few chances to pull one back , a great cross along the six yard box 
> was well defended, our one decent shot on target was well saved and a good 
> free kick was headed wide by Ayling. They continued to pick up all the pieces 
> and win 50/50s so perhaps it was due to good play rather than luck
> Then a quick break, another deflected shot and 3 0 game over - cue mass 
> exodus - the players tonight and over the season so far deserved better
> Bamford came on , scored with a good back header but too little too late - 
> albeit it led fans to (wrongly) sing we are top of the league -they too 
> stupid to understand goal difference ?
> So an average performance led to a very poor result - made a bit better by 
> the fact that West Brom had lost at home to Boro earlier on . Our recent form 
> is not great and we are in danger of messing it all up, despite some fans 
> trying to lighten the mood at the bus stop etc by declaring we are joint top
> The fact that Bamford was on the bench and even better scored, is the only 
> real bright spot from the game (Clarke did impress again as an impact sub)
> As I say, anyone who has seen the game on TV before or since may dispute a 
> lot of my 'facts' but I am just saying it as I saw it
> Need to at least avoid defeat next week at Boro and then beat Swansea to stop 
> this season going down the tubes
> Dan James would not have made a difference to the result
> Too 

Re: [LU] Norwich

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I watched again. We were excellent for the first three minutes and thirty 
secondsthen Pontus stuck his foot in.
On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 4:25:01 AM EST, Nick Allen 
 wrote:  
 
 Norwich were excellent, had a plan, the players and commitment to carry it out 
and the ability to improvise when needed...they did to us what I think we have 
done to others this season.

Points:
- I watch from the Kop, we saw the ball down our end 3 times in the first half, 
the two goals and a close call. The rest of the half was played around the 
Norwich box.

- 2 goals were deflections, and the other an almighty mix up in 
defence/midfield with us chucking away the chance to clear a couple of times

- what did happen when the keeper clattered Roberts going in for goal. A free 
kick was given, so a foul was seen, how come it wasn’t at least a yellow card?

- there did seem to be a good call for a penalty when Pontus went down

- Having gone in 2 up, Norwich worked their bollocks off to close us down, 
chase tackle and Harry everything, for the opening 15 minutes of the second 
half. And the doubled up on Clarke every time he got near the ball

- Aylings inability to pass is becoming a real liability...we need to think 
about a Shackleton Clarke right side.

- teams are happy to let Pontus and Cooper pass it between them, and rely on 
the fact that their distribution is patchy, that is where Philips comes in, we 
should probably move to a W formation with those three and two wing backs

- Bamford, 2 chances, 1 tipped onto the bar, 1 goal

- judging by Douglas’s second half, Alioski is a better bet there...

- yes a big crowd and a good noise at the start, but yelling xenophobic abuse 
at our Spanish keeper after 25 minutes and then half the ground emptying on 
their third goal shows we are still an attraction for part timers and arseholes

There’s work to do and a few tweaks to make but I think we still have a lot of 
hope.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Norwich

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 Wait, five hours before and four after?!
Nick
On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 4:12:03 AM EST, Ted  
wrote:  
 
 I managed 4 John but it still wasn't enough to erase the memory!



On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 20:18  5 hours in the pub after it might be a better idea Ted :-(
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 2 Feb 2019, at 10:58, Ted  wrote:
> >
> > Yes - after years of mostly sh1te, I'm on the train to Leeds now, really
> > looking forward to it! Can't wait. Mind you, not sure 5 hours in the pub
> > beforehand is a good idea!
> >
> > 2-1
> >
> > Ted H
> >
> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 10:42 nat...@sky.com  >>
> >> Well the excitement levels are rising !TO be going to such a massive
> game
> >> in FEBRUARY is amazing given our recent history
> >> It is not a must win or even a must not lose, it is just one of 3
> masssive
> >> games and one of 17 huge games - no single game will define our season
> (or
> >> certainly not at this stage) but today is MASSIVE - win and we really
> can
> >> start to believe, a defeat and the naysayers will be out, slagging Radz
> off
> >> for only bringing in a keeper in Jan, and even MB for being so stubborn
> >> Whatever, come on LEEDS, today is the day
> >> Dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Simon McNally]

Third goal takes a deflection off the defender which I think is what beat 
Casilla. Still think he should have done better.
Douglas was awful.
As part of my clutching at straws for hopeful omens , this was the table after 
31 games in 1990!
https://www.worldfootball.net/schedule/eng-championship-1989-1990-spieltag/7/



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> On 3 Feb 2019, at 11:10, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> A few thoughts from me. 
> 
> Lots of positives first half. I thought we played some great fast moving 
> football and Norwich struggled at times to live with us. Unfortunately for us 
> all that great play broke down at the edge of their box. Roofe is struggling 
> and receiving the ball with his back to goal against someone who is twice his 
> size is not what we want from him and the amount of times he lost possession 
> yesterday was criminal. Compare to Bamford who played this role with ease. 
> 
> Norwich had the best front line of any team I've seen recently. Hernandez for 
> them was MOTM and he looked a class above everyone else on the pitch. What a 
> player and I'd be surprised to see him playing at Norwich after this season 
> especially if they don't get promoted. Compare to our Hernandez who saw a lot 
> of the ball but couldn't do anything with it. Having said that we missed his 
> energy second half and just don't look the same team without him. 
> 
> I think Harrison on the whole has flattered to deceive. Yes he can play but 
> there's rarely a good outcome to his play and I'm sure we're only playing him 
> week in week out due to his contract and agreement we've got with his club. 
> 
> I thought defensively we were poor albeit against some pacey skillful 
> attackers. Ayling can forget any thoughts of him playing at a higher level 
> than this because he looked completely out of his depth at times and his 
> passing just doesn't get any better. I'd look to play Shackleton. Having said 
> that their second goal was as spawny as you can get and I'd question our wall 
> positiioning for their free kick. They could have had another couple though.  
> 
> Second half wasn't as good and they looked pretty much in control until 
> Bamford came on and nearly got a brace with this first 2 touches. He looks 
> like the real deal to me at this level but is he fit ? Their third was just a 
> cock up and you can say what you want about BFP's errors but none were as bad 
> as Casilla's attempt at saving that. Early days to judge him but that was 
> shite. Douglas came on and showed us yet again his inability to defend. At 
> the start of the season everyone was thinking why had such a great player 
> joined us but now it's clear that Wolves have offloaded someone who wouldn't 
> have stood a chance in the PL. 
> 
> So overall, beaten by a better side (well their forward players were) but if 
> we play at that pace and commitment with Bamford up front for the rest of the 
> season I can't see us losing that many. 
> 
> One final word on the fans, which Nick got spot on. The ground emptied very 
> quickly with over 15 minutes to go and it's ok to turn up and swirl your 
> scarf in the air but there's a lot of happy clappy fuckers who have turned up 
> this season but will disappear quickly if things take a downturn. I had to 
> scramble for a ticket and yes that's probably my fault for not committing to 
> a season ticket these days but if we're really giving tickets for loyalty 
> half these fuckers shouldn't even be considered. Hopefully they'll not fancy 
> the Sky game versus West Brom on a Friday night and I might have a better 
> chance. I tried to upgrade my 'Silver Membership' to gold this week but was 
> told there's no upgrade process you can only buy a gold separately. Fucking 
> ridiculous. Rant over. If anyone with a season ticket wants to buy me 3 
> tickets for the West Brom game when they go on sale I would be v.grateful and 
> transfer money before you send me them. As it stands I have to wait until 
> season ticket holders and gold members have snapped up tickets before I get a 
> chance. 
> 
> My scores:
> 
> Casilla - 4. Poor keeping for 3rd goal 
> 
> Ayling - 4. Some good forward movement in first half but generally shit 
> 
> Allioski - 6. I thought he did ok. Better prospect than Douglas at left back 
> maybe ?
> 
> Jansson - 6.  Both Jansson and Cooper got through lots of good defensive work 
> but today they met their match big time. 
> 
> Cooper - 6. Ditto
> 
> Forshaw - 7. Lot of people slagging him off and yes he lost his way second 
> half as Norwich took control but I thought he was immense in the first and 
> covered a hell of a lot of ground. 
> 
> Klich - 5. Good first half but faded badly second. 
> 
> Harrison - 4. A few decent moments first half but ineffective. 
> 
> Roofe - 4. Apparently he nearly scored start of the first half - I missed 
> that as I was finishing of my beer. Apart from that he was ineffective. He's 
> had a great season but time for a rest. 
> 
> Roberts - 

Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 A few thoughts from me. 
Lots of positives first half. I thought we played some great fast moving 
football and Norwich struggled at times to live with us. Unfortunately for us 
all that great play broke down at the edge of their box. Roofe is struggling 
and receiving the ball with his back to goal against someone who is twice his 
size is not what we want from him and the amount of times he lost possession 
yesterday was criminal. Compare to Bamford who played this role with ease. 
Norwich had the best front line of any team I've seen recently. Hernandez for 
them was MOTM and he looked a class above everyone else on the pitch. What a 
player and I'd be surprised to see him playing at Norwich after this season 
especially if they don't get promoted. Compare to our Hernandez who saw a lot 
of the ball but couldn't do anything with it. Having said that we missed his 
energy second half and just don't look the same team without him. 
I think Harrison on the whole has flattered to deceive. Yes he can play but 
there's rarely a good outcome to his play and I'm sure we're only playing him 
week in week out due to his contract and agreement we've got with his club. 
I thought defensively we were poor albeit against some pacey skillful 
attackers. Ayling can forget any thoughts of him playing at a higher level than 
this because he looked completely out of his depth at times and his passing 
just doesn't get any better. I'd look to play Shackleton. Having said that 
their second goal was as spawny as you can get and I'd question our wall 
positiioning for their free kick. They could have had another couple though.  
Second half wasn't as good and they looked pretty much in control until Bamford 
came on and nearly got a brace with this first 2 touches. He looks like the 
real deal to me at this level but is he fit ? Their third was just a cock up 
and you can say what you want about BFP's errors but none were as bad as 
Casilla's attempt at saving that. Early days to judge him but that was shite. 
Douglas came on and showed us yet again his inability to defend. At the start 
of the season everyone was thinking why had such a great player joined us but 
now it's clear that Wolves have offloaded someone who wouldn't have stood a 
chance in the PL. 
So overall, beaten by a better side (well their forward players were) but if we 
play at that pace and commitment with Bamford up front for the rest of the 
season I can't see us losing that many. 
One final word on the fans, which Nick got spot on. The ground emptied very 
quickly with over 15 minutes to go and it's ok to turn up and swirl your scarf 
in the air but there's a lot of happy clappy fuckers who have turned up this 
season but will disappear quickly if things take a downturn. I had to scramble 
for a ticket and yes that's probably my fault for not committing to a season 
ticket these days but if we're really giving tickets for loyalty half these 
fuckers shouldn't even be considered. Hopefully they'll not fancy the Sky game 
versus West Brom on a Friday night and I might have a better chance. I tried to 
upgrade my 'Silver Membership' to gold this week but was told there's no 
upgrade process you can only buy a gold separately. Fucking ridiculous. Rant 
over. If anyone with a season ticket wants to buy me 3 tickets for the West 
Brom game when they go on sale I would be v.grateful and transfer money before 
you send me them. As it stands I have to wait until season ticket holders and 
gold members have snapped up tickets before I get a chance. 
My scores:
Casilla - 4. Poor keeping for 3rd goal 
Ayling - 4. Some good forward movement in first half but generally shit 
Allioski - 6. I thought he did ok. Better prospect than Douglas at left back 
maybe ?
Jansson - 6.  Both Jansson and Cooper got through lots of good defensive work 
but today they met their match big time. 
Cooper - 6. Ditto
Forshaw - 7. Lot of people slagging him off and yes he lost his way second half 
as Norwich took control but I thought he was immense in the first and covered a 
hell of a lot of ground. 
Klich - 5. Good first half but faded badly second. 
Harrison - 4. A few decent moments first half but ineffective. 
Roofe - 4. Apparently he nearly scored start of the first half - I missed that 
as I was finishing of my beer. Apart from that he was ineffective. He's had a 
great season but time for a rest. 
Roberts - 6. I would have taken Roofe over before Roberts. I thought he looked 
very lively and did at least manage an effort in the first half. 
Subs:
Bamford - 8. It's aways easier to come on as a sub especially when team you're 
playing against is 3 up and coasting but he nearly turned it aorund. 
Clarke - 6. Had a couple of moments but we didn't give him enough of the ball. 
Douglas - 3. Nightmare.
Boro next week will be interesting. Hopefully Bamford starts and scores a 
hat-trick. 




 
On Sunday, 3 February 2019, 10:09:37 GMT, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 
> 

Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Simon McNally]

Agree Dave. Been looking at remaining fixtures and after blades game there are 
a lot of winnable games. We just need to keep going for next few weeks.
As for the game, feels like an opportunity missed. Needless freekick following 
giving the ball away in a bad area leads to first goal, albeit from a deflected 
free kick and then they can sit and hit us on the break. I thought we were well 
on top after that and would equalise before half time but then Forshaw 
intervened. I thought he was superb against Derby but this was back to the 
Forshaw I don’t rate. Trips over the ball and gives them possession deep in our 
half and then plays Pukki onside to score. At the game I thought he was a mile 
offside but for some reason Forshaw is miles deeper than the rest of our 
defence and plays him on.
He nearly got caught in possession a few more times - he always seems to want 
more time than he actually has.
We also seem to have decided to start lunging into challenges with Forshaw and 
Ayling the main culprits, taking themselves completely out of the game.
I thought Ayling was really poor - if I was their winger I’d have kept running 
at him as his legs looked to have gone.
Pablo was as bad as I’ve ever seen him - I wonder if he’s not fully fit after 
going off injured against Rotherham.
Roofe was back to the Roofe of last season - falling over a lot and losing the 
ball.
After all that we’re still second and 3 clear of third with 16 games to play. 
It’s not all doom and gloom but there’s a worrying trend developing. Too many 
players running into bad form at a key point of the season.
Can’t help but think a few more signings in the window were needed.
Next game I’d play Shackleton for Ayling, Phillips for Forshaw, Clarke for 
Harrison and Bamford for Roofe.

S

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Feb 2019, at 22:31, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Just got home so have not seen anything on TV or read any reports so here are 
> a few thoughts from watching it live
> A great atmosphere to start with but that soon died and apart from a 
> brilliant whole ground Waccoe at two down the fans were poor today. The 
> number who left as their 3rd went in was nothing short of disgraceful and the 
> general mood around me was 'F off, good riddance, and dont come back' if you 
> could not even bother staying to the end just because we had lost !
> Game started Ok but a 'foul' (not convinced it was a foul but a tackle from 
> behind is always dodgy) gave them a free kick on the edge of the box and a 
> wicked deflection put them a goal up. After that they were a horrible team - 
> plenty of time wasting and one blatant dive and one rolliing around holding 
> his face incident should have led to two yellow cards
> Then the keeper was lucky not to see a red when he came out and clattered 
> Roberts, plus we had a good shout for a penalty for a foul on Pontus.
> We huffed and puffed a bit and looked decent enough but every 50/50 decision 
> and loose ball and every bit of luck went their way and that culminated in a 
> terrible mistake by Forshaw that enabled them to get 2 up
> A couple of changes at half time showed we were going for it, the ineffectual 
> Harrison and the out of sorts (? not fully fit ) Hernandez being replace by 
> Clarke and Douglas,
> We had a few chances to pull one back , a great cross along the six yard box 
> was well defended, our one decent shot on target was well saved and a good 
> free kick was headed wide by Ayling. They continued to pick up all the pieces 
> and win 50/50s so perhaps it was due to good play rather than luck
> Then a quick break, another deflected shot and 3 0 game over - cue mass 
> exodus - the players tonight and over the season so far deserved better
> Bamford came on , scored with a good back header but too little too late - 
> albeit it led fans to (wrongly) sing we are top of the league -they too 
> stupid to understand goal difference ?
> So an average performance led to a very poor result - made a bit better by 
> the fact that West Brom had lost at home to Boro earlier on . Our recent form 
> is not great and we are in danger of messing it all up, despite some fans 
> trying to lighten the mood at the bus stop etc by declaring we are joint top
> The fact that Bamford was on the bench and even better scored, is the only 
> real bright spot from the game (Clarke did impress again as an impact sub)
> As I say, anyone who has seen the game on TV before or since may dispute a 
> lot of my 'facts' but I am just saying it as I saw it
> Need to at least avoid defeat next week at Boro and then beat Swansea to stop 
> this season going down the tubes
> Dan James would not have made a difference to the result
> Too soon to panic and whatever the next 16 games bring this has been a great 
> season 
> Dave(pissed up and a bit pissed off)
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Nick Allen]

My mistake, their keeper got a yellow...I meant why not a red, of course...

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> On 3 Feb 2019, at 09:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Norwich were excellent, had a plan, the players and commitment to carry it 
> out and the ability to improvise when needed...they did to us what I think we 
> have done to others this season.
> 
> Points:
> - I watch from the Kop, we saw the ball down our end 3 times in the first 
> half, the two goals and a close call. The rest of the half was played around 
> the Norwich box.
> 
> - 2 goals were deflections, and the other an almighty mix up in 
> defence/midfield with us chucking away the chance to clear a couple of times
> 
> - what did happen when the keeper clattered Roberts going in for goal. A free 
> kick was given, so a foul was seen, how come it wasn’t at least a yellow card?
> 
> - there did seem to be a good call for a penalty when Pontus went down
> 
> - Having gone in 2 up, Norwich worked their bollocks off to close us down, 
> chase tackle and Harry everything, for the opening 15 minutes of the second 
> half. And the doubled up on Clarke every time he got near the ball
> 
> - Aylings inability to pass is becoming a real liability...we need to think 
> about a Shackleton Clarke right side.
> 
> - teams are happy to let Pontus and Cooper pass it between them, and rely on 
> the fact that their distribution is patchy, that is where Philips comes in, 
> we should probably move to a W formation with those three and two wing backs
> 
> - Bamford, 2 chances, 1 tipped onto the bar, 1 goal
> 
> - judging by Douglas’s second half, Alioski is a better bet there...
> 
> - yes a big crowd and a good noise at the start, but yelling xenophobic abuse 
> at our Spanish keeper after 25 minutes and then half the ground emptying on 
> their third goal shows we are still an attraction for part timers and 
> arseholes
> 
> There’s work to do and a few tweaks to make but I think we still have a lot 
> of hope.
> 
> Nick
> 
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[LU] Norwich

[Nick Allen]

Norwich were excellent, had a plan, the players and commitment to carry it out 
and the ability to improvise when needed...they did to us what I think we have 
done to others this season.

Points:
- I watch from the Kop, we saw the ball down our end 3 times in the first half, 
the two goals and a close call. The rest of the half was played around the 
Norwich box.

- 2 goals were deflections, and the other an almighty mix up in 
defence/midfield with us chucking away the chance to clear a couple of times

- what did happen when the keeper clattered Roberts going in for goal. A free 
kick was given, so a foul was seen, how come it wasn’t at least a yellow card?

- there did seem to be a good call for a penalty when Pontus went down

- Having gone in 2 up, Norwich worked their bollocks off to close us down, 
chase tackle and Harry everything, for the opening 15 minutes of the second 
half. And the doubled up on Clarke every time he got near the ball

- Aylings inability to pass is becoming a real liability...we need to think 
about a Shackleton Clarke right side.

- teams are happy to let Pontus and Cooper pass it between them, and rely on 
the fact that their distribution is patchy, that is where Philips comes in, we 
should probably move to a W formation with those three and two wing backs

- Bamford, 2 chances, 1 tipped onto the bar, 1 goal

- judging by Douglas’s second half, Alioski is a better bet there...

- yes a big crowd and a good noise at the start, but yelling xenophobic abuse 
at our Spanish keeper after 25 minutes and then half the ground emptying on 
their third goal shows we are still an attraction for part timers and arseholes

There’s work to do and a few tweaks to make but I think we still have a lot of 
hope.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Ted]

I managed 4 John but it still wasn't enough to erase the memory!



On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 20:18  5 hours in the pub after it might be a better idea Ted :-(
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 2 Feb 2019, at 10:58, Ted  wrote:
> >
> > Yes - after years of mostly sh1te, I'm on the train to Leeds now, really
> > looking forward to it! Can't wait. Mind you, not sure 5 hours in the pub
> > beforehand is a good idea!
> >
> > 2-1
> >
> > Ted H
> >
> >> On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 10:42 nat...@sky.com  >>
> >> Well the excitement levels are rising !TO be going to such a massive
> game
> >> in FEBRUARY is amazing given our recent history
> >> It is not a must win or even a must not lose, it is just one of 3
> masssive
> >> games and one of 17 huge games - no single game will define our season
> (or
> >> certainly not at this stage) but today is MASSIVE - win and we really
> can
> >> start to believe, a defeat and the naysayers will be out, slagging Radz
> off
> >> for only bringing in a keeper in Jan, and even MB for being so stubborn
> >> Whatever, come on LEEDS, today is the day
> >> Dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[Richard Naef]

100% Dave.  It's a fantastic season, it might end in disappointment, in which 
case we aren’t ready for promotion.  Heresy I know, but another season in the 
Championship building the team might not be a bad idea.  



ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 02 February 2019 22:32
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

Just got home so have not seen anything on TV or read any reports so here are a 
few thoughts from watching it live A great atmosphere to start with but that 
soon died and apart from a brilliant whole ground Waccoe at two down the fans 
were poor today. The number who left as their 3rd went in was nothing short of 
disgraceful and the general mood around me was 'F off, good riddance, and dont 
come back' if you could not even bother staying to the end just because we had 
lost !
Game started Ok but a 'foul' (not convinced it was a foul but a tackle from 
behind is always dodgy) gave them a free kick on the edge of the box and a 
wicked deflection put them a goal up. After that they were a horrible team - 
plenty of time wasting and one blatant dive and one rolliing around holding his 
face incident should have led to two yellow cards Then the keeper was lucky not 
to see a red when he came out and clattered Roberts, plus we had a good shout 
for a penalty for a foul on Pontus.
We huffed and puffed a bit and looked decent enough but every 50/50 decision 
and loose ball and every bit of luck went their way and that culminated in a 
terrible mistake by Forshaw that enabled them to get 2 up A couple of changes 
at half time showed we were going for it, the ineffectual Harrison and the out 
of sorts (? not fully fit ) Hernandez being replace by Clarke and Douglas, We 
had a few chances to pull one back , a great cross along the six yard box was 
well defended, our one decent shot on target was well saved and a good free 
kick was headed wide by Ayling. They continued to pick up all the pieces and 
win 50/50s so perhaps it was due to good play rather than luck Then a quick 
break, another deflected shot and 3 0 game over - cue mass exodus - the players 
tonight and over the season so far deserved better Bamford came on , scored 
with a good back header but too little too late - albeit it led fans to 
(wrongly) sing we are top of the league -they too stupid to understand goal 
difference ?
So an average performance led to a very poor result - made a bit better by the 
fact that West Brom had lost at home to Boro earlier on . Our recent form is 
not great and we are in danger of messing it all up, despite some fans trying 
to lighten the mood at the bus stop etc by declaring we are joint top The fact 
that Bamford was on the bench and even better scored, is the only real bright 
spot from the game (Clarke did impress again as an impact sub) As I say, anyone 
who has seen the game on TV before or since may dispute a lot of my 'facts' but 
I am just saying it as I saw it Need to at least avoid defeat next week at Boro 
and then beat Swansea to stop this season going down the tubes Dan James would 
not have made a difference to the result Too soon to panic and whatever the 
next 16 games bring this has been a great season Dave(pissed up and a bit 
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[LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

[nat...@sky.com]

Just got home so have not seen anything on TV or read any reports so here are a 
few thoughts from watching it live
A great atmosphere to start with but that soon died and apart from a brilliant 
whole ground Waccoe at two down the fans were poor today. The number who left 
as their 3rd went in was nothing short of disgraceful and the general mood 
around me was 'F off, good riddance, and dont come back' if you could not even 
bother staying to the end just because we had lost !
Game started Ok but a 'foul' (not convinced it was a foul but a tackle from 
behind is always dodgy) gave them a free kick on the edge of the box and a 
wicked deflection put them a goal up. After that they were a horrible team - 
plenty of time wasting and one blatant dive and one rolliing around holding his 
face incident should have led to two yellow cards
Then the keeper was lucky not to see a red when he came out and clattered 
Roberts, plus we had a good shout for a penalty for a foul on Pontus.
We huffed and puffed a bit and looked decent enough but every 50/50 decision 
and loose ball and every bit of luck went their way and that culminated in a 
terrible mistake by Forshaw that enabled them to get 2 up
A couple of changes at half time showed we were going for it, the ineffectual 
Harrison and the out of sorts (? not fully fit ) Hernandez being replace by 
Clarke and Douglas,
We had a few chances to pull one back , a great cross along the six yard box 
was well defended, our one decent shot on target was well saved and a good free 
kick was headed wide by Ayling. They continued to pick up all the pieces and 
win 50/50s so perhaps it was due to good play rather than luck
Then a quick break, another deflected shot and 3 0 game over - cue mass exodus 
- the players tonight and over the season so far deserved better
Bamford came on , scored with a good back header but too little too late - 
albeit it led fans to (wrongly) sing we are top of the league -they too stupid 
to understand goal difference ?
So an average performance led to a very poor result - made a bit better by the 
fact that West Brom had lost at home to Boro earlier on . Our recent form is 
not great and we are in danger of messing it all up, despite some fans trying 
to lighten the mood at the bus stop etc by declaring we are joint top
The fact that Bamford was on the bench and even better scored, is the only real 
bright spot from the game (Clarke did impress again as an impact sub)
As I say, anyone who has seen the game on TV before or since may dispute a lot 
of my 'facts' but I am just saying it as I saw it
Need to at least avoid defeat next week at Boro and then beat Swansea to stop 
this season going down the tubes
Dan James would not have made a difference to the result
Too soon to panic and whatever the next 16 games bring this has been a great 
season 
Dave(pissed up and a bit pissed off)
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[John Lee via Leedslist]

5 hours in the pub after it might be a better idea Ted :-(

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Feb 2019, at 10:58, Ted  wrote:
> 
> Yes - after years of mostly sh1te, I'm on the train to Leeds now, really
> looking forward to it! Can't wait. Mind you, not sure 5 hours in the pub
> beforehand is a good idea!
> 
> 2-1
> 
> Ted H
> 
>> On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 10:42 nat...@sky.com > 
>> Well the excitement levels are rising !TO be going to such a massive game
>> in FEBRUARY is amazing given our recent history
>> It is not a must win or even a must not lose, it is just one of 3 masssive
>> games and one of 17 huge games - no single game will define our season (or
>> certainly not at this stage) but today is MASSIVE - win and we really can
>> start to believe, a defeat and the naysayers will be out, slagging Radz off
>> for only bringing in a keeper in Jan, and even MB for being so stubborn
>> Whatever, come on LEEDS, today is the day
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Graham White via Leedslist]

Always preferred the Queens Head across the road, is it still going?

I'll be watching it in Mulligans Irish Bar*, sadly we'll be stuck in some 
corner as all the big screens will be showing the egg chasers.

*Surprisingly for Spain it actually is Irish!  Roisin and Audrey are from 
Dublin, although Audrey's partner Chris is from York (and supports the bloody 
Barcodes).

MOT

Graham White
 

On Saturday, 2 February 2019, 12:36:36 CET, John Boocock  
wrote:  
 
 Just stopped at Scotch Corner before hitting Leeds. No ticket for me so 
it is the King's Arms in Horsforth at 5:30 :-(

I think it will be mental in town tonight when we win!

Betty

On 02/02/2019 11:19, nat...@sky.com wrote:
> Yes the extra couple of hours drinking could be messy (although to be
> honest I am getting in Leeds at 1.30 for 5.30 kick off as opposed to
> my usual 11.45 for a 3pm one so only an extra 1hour + for me Hopefully
> the extra drinking and the fact that it will be under floodlights and
> a huge sell out crowd will lead to a good atmosphere- we need to keep
> the faith and keep behind them whatever happens .
> I hope the 'hoof it' 'get rid' brigade will now have been to enough
> games to realise we do not play that way this season - OK it is hearts
> in mouths time when we have the ball in our own area but overall it
> has worked
> We need to get right into them from the start as per Derby and not let
> them settle - I can see this game being played at 100mph from start to
> finish and may the best team win (as long as that is us!!)
> Dave
>    On Saturday, 2 February 2019, 10:59:11 GMT, Ted
>  wrote:
> 
>  Yes - after years of mostly sh1te, I'm on the train to Leeds now,
> really looking forward to it! Can't wait. Mind you, not sure 5 hours
> in the pub beforehand is a good idea!
> 2-1
> Ted H
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 10:42 nat...@sky.com  
> Well the excitement levels are rising !TO be going to such a massive
> game in FEBRUARY is amazing given our recent history
> It is not a must win or even a must not lose, it is just one of 3
> masssive games and one of 17 huge games - no single game will define
> our season (or certainly not at this stage) but today is MASSIVE - win
> and we really can start to believe, a defeat and the naysayers will be
> out, slagging Radz off for only bringing in a keeper in Jan, and even
> MB for being so stubborn
> Whatever, come on LEEDS, today is the day
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[John Boocock]

Just stopped at Scotch Corner before hitting Leeds. No ticket for me so 
it is the King's Arms in Horsforth at 5:30 :-(


I think it will be mental in town tonight when we win!

Betty

On 02/02/2019 11:19, nat...@sky.com wrote:

Yes the extra couple of hours drinking could be messy (although to be
honest I am getting in Leeds at 1.30 for 5.30 kick off as opposed to
my usual 11.45 for a 3pm one so only an extra 1hour + for me Hopefully
the extra drinking and the fact that it will be under floodlights and
a huge sell out crowd will lead to a good atmosphere- we need to keep
the faith and keep behind them whatever happens .
I hope the 'hoof it' 'get rid' brigade will now have been to enough
games to realise we do not play that way this season - OK it is hearts
in mouths time when we have the ball in our own area but overall it
has worked
We need to get right into them from the start as per Derby and not let
them settle - I can see this game being played at 100mph from start to
finish and may the best team win (as long as that is us!!)
Dave
On Saturday, 2 February 2019, 10:59:11 GMT, Ted
 wrote:

 Yes - after years of mostly sh1te, I'm on the train to Leeds now,
really looking forward to it! Can't wait. Mind you, not sure 5 hours
in the pub beforehand is a good idea!
2-1
Ted H
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[nat...@sky.com]

 Yes the extra couple of hours drinking could be messy (although to be honest I 
am getting in Leeds at 1.30 for 5.30 kick off as opposed to my usual 11.45 for 
a 3pm one so only an extra 1hour + for me Hopefully the extra drinking and the 
fact that it will be under floodlights and a huge sell out crowd will lead to a 
good atmosphere- we need to keep the faith and keep behind them whatever 
happens .
I hope the 'hoof it' 'get rid' brigade will now have been to enough games to 
realise we do not play that way this season - OK it is hearts in mouths time 
when we have the ball in our own area but overall it has worked
We need to get right into them from the start as per Derby and not let them 
settle - I can see this game being played at 100mph from start to finish and 
may the best team win (as long as that is us!!)
Dave
On Saturday, 2 February 2019, 10:59:11 GMT, Ted  
wrote:  
 
 Yes - after years of mostly sh1te, I'm on the train to Leeds now, really 
looking forward to it! Can't wait. Mind you, not sure 5 hours in the pub 
beforehand is a good idea!
2-1
Ted H
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Ted]

Yes - after years of mostly sh1te, I'm on the train to Leeds now, really
looking forward to it! Can't wait. Mind you, not sure 5 hours in the pub
beforehand is a good idea!

2-1

Ted H

On Sat, 2 Feb 2019, 10:42 nat...@sky.com  Well the excitement levels are rising !TO be going to such a massive game
> in FEBRUARY is amazing given our recent history
> It is not a must win or even a must not lose, it is just one of 3 masssive
> games and one of 17 huge games - no single game will define our season (or
> certainly not at this stage) but today is MASSIVE - win and we really can
> start to believe, a defeat and the naysayers will be out, slagging Radz off
> for only bringing in a keeper in Jan, and even MB for being so stubborn
> Whatever, come on LEEDS, today is the day
> Dave
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[LU] Norwich

[nat...@sky.com]

Well the excitement levels are rising !TO be going to such a massive game in 
FEBRUARY is amazing given our recent history
It is not a must win or even a must not lose, it is just one of 3 masssive 
games and one of 17 huge games - no single game will define our season (or 
certainly not at this stage) but today is MASSIVE - win and we really can start 
to believe, a defeat and the naysayers will be out, slagging Radz off for only 
bringing in a keeper in Jan, and even MB for being so stubborn
Whatever, come on LEEDS, today is the day
Dave
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[LU] Norwich

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

So as a member I go on line at 9:45 , wait half an hour in the queue to be told 
it's sold out.
Pants. 
If anyone hears of a ticket going please give me a shout. I knew I should have 
bought the half season ticket. 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[nat...@sky.com]

Just watching alioski's goal again and we made 11 passes in the move - real 
football

  From: "nat...@sky.com" 
 To: Leeds List  
 Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 10:19
 Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
   
I think (from online feed) that Phillips was immense yesterday - and fair play 
to him, many players would have sulked being taken off after 25minutes but he 
went the right way and put in a great performance.
Alioski after being subbed at half time also got his act together and played as 
well as we have seen, a good header for Klitch goal, a goal himself and another 
shot that the keeper saved well.
This really looks as if the players are buying into MBs philosophy and 
believing in him
We have all worried that we would be weak defensively - especially with only 2 
recognised centre backs and one of these the much maligned Cooper (or " League 
One Liam" as my lad calls him) yet in 5 games we have not conceded from open 
play in 4 of them (penalty by Stoke, direct free kick by Derby) . In the other 
game (Swansea) we did let in two goals but that was when we had no 'proper' 
centre backs in the team but had a makeshift back two of Berardi* and Ayling,
So far , so good, and long may it continue, we have a team giving 100% and a 
style of play that is great to watch 

dave*Berardi may be able to be called a centre back if he continues in the same 
vein and continues at CB




      From: Alec McQueen 
 To: David W  
Cc: Leeds List 
 Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 9:33
 Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
  
I watched Phillips very carefully during watching the replay I had saved of the 
Swansea game. He was doing perfectly fine for the first 15 mins. In fact, I 
would say he played well. But then for 10 minutes everything he did went wrong. 
And worse he seemed not to be tracking back when he did lose the ball. I think 
maybe this was what MB saw that he didn’t like. I think he is demanding 100% 
effort and no excuses: If you don’t want to give 100%, then get off the pitch. 

Cheers
Alec

> On 26 Aug 2018, at 5:54 pm, David W  wrote:
> 
> Cracking match and day out in Norwich. 
> 
> Roofe - watch the goals again Rich. Superb strong hold up play by Roofe 
> starts the move for the first goal. Gloriously weighted short pass by Roofe 
> puts Alioski through for the second. He is playing brilliantly. I think 
> Bamford looks great as well but Roofe is undroppable right now. 
> 
> Hernandez was majestic yesterday. He was everywhere and never wasted a pass 
> or touch. 
> 
> Phillips was superb as well. Hopefully made a few eat their words!
> 
>> On 25. Aug 2018, at 19:21, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The thing that I liked the most about today was Siaz for me was again off 
>> the pace but we still looked dangerous every time we attacked and that 
>> wouldn’t have happened last season.
>> Also Bamford start against Boro for me. Roofe busy but ineffective.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 17:45, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What a great result (again) makes the game v Boro on Friday a real 
>>> mouthwatering prospect - both unbeaten and joint top of the leagueWatching 
>>> on a live feed it looked as if the pink dressing room had worked as we 
>>> started very poorly and hardly got a touch in the first five minutes or so. 
>>> We survived without too many scares and gradually got a foothold in the 
>>> game, a game which was decided in 5 minutes really with two good goals from 
>>> our point of view (not sure how happy the keeper will be)
>>> A decent header by Alioski was saved but the keeper parried straight to 
>>> Klitch who continued his great goal scoring form by slotting home with 
>>> style, then a great ball from Roofe found Alioski out wide in the box and 
>>> he fired at goal beating the keeper at his near postWe made sure of the 
>>> three points when Pablo stepped inside a defender and curled one into the 
>>> corner
>>> We did not really hit the heights but we kept them at bay - Pontus looking 
>>> good and BPF collecting the ball from corners on a few occasions  like a 
>>> real keeper (ie not Felix)
>>> We continued to work our whatsits off - even at 3 nil and in the last 
>>> minutes we were chasing down their keeper and defender and hunting in 
>>> packs, and right at the end a couple of our defenders really put their 
>>> bodies on the line, throwing themselves to the ground to block the ball - 
>>> 100% commitment and belief (and that is -almost- all we ask for)
>>> MB as usual sat on his bucket or haunches totally impassive got very 
>>> animated in the last ten minutes prowling the technical area and waving and 
>&

Re: [LU] Norwich

[nat...@sky.com]

I think (from online feed) that Phillips was immense yesterday - and fair play 
to him, many players would have sulked being taken off after 25minutes but he 
went the right way and put in a great performance.
Alioski after being subbed at half time also got his act together and played as 
well as we have seen, a good header for Klitch goal, a goal himself and another 
shot that the keeper saved well.
This really looks as if the players are buying into MBs philosophy and 
believing in him
We have all worried that we would be weak defensively - especially with only 2 
recognised centre backs and one of these the much maligned Cooper (or " League 
One Liam" as my lad calls him) yet in 5 games we have not conceded from open 
play in 4 of them (penalty by Stoke, direct free kick by Derby) . In the other 
game (Swansea) we did let in two goals but that was when we had no 'proper' 
centre backs in the team but had a makeshift back two of Berardi* and Ayling,
So far , so good, and long may it continue, we have a team giving 100% and a 
style of play that is great to watch 

dave*Berardi may be able to be called a centre back if he continues in the same 
vein and continues at CB




  From: Alec McQueen 
 To: David W  
Cc: Leeds List 
 Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 9:33
 Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
   
I watched Phillips very carefully during watching the replay I had saved of the 
Swansea game. He was doing perfectly fine for the first 15 mins. In fact, I 
would say he played well. But then for 10 minutes everything he did went wrong. 
And worse he seemed not to be tracking back when he did lose the ball. I think 
maybe this was what MB saw that he didn’t like. I think he is demanding 100% 
effort and no excuses: If you don’t want to give 100%, then get off the pitch. 

Cheers
Alec

> On 26 Aug 2018, at 5:54 pm, David W  wrote:
> 
> Cracking match and day out in Norwich. 
> 
> Roofe - watch the goals again Rich. Superb strong hold up play by Roofe 
> starts the move for the first goal. Gloriously weighted short pass by Roofe 
> puts Alioski through for the second. He is playing brilliantly. I think 
> Bamford looks great as well but Roofe is undroppable right now. 
> 
> Hernandez was majestic yesterday. He was everywhere and never wasted a pass 
> or touch. 
> 
> Phillips was superb as well. Hopefully made a few eat their words!
> 
>> On 25. Aug 2018, at 19:21, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The thing that I liked the most about today was Siaz for me was again off 
>> the pace but we still looked dangerous every time we attacked and that 
>> wouldn’t have happened last season.
>> Also Bamford start against Boro for me. Roofe busy but ineffective.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 17:45, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What a great result (again) makes the game v Boro on Friday a real 
>>> mouthwatering prospect - both unbeaten and joint top of the leagueWatching 
>>> on a live feed it looked as if the pink dressing room had worked as we 
>>> started very poorly and hardly got a touch in the first five minutes or so. 
>>> We survived without too many scares and gradually got a foothold in the 
>>> game, a game which was decided in 5 minutes really with two good goals from 
>>> our point of view (not sure how happy the keeper will be)
>>> A decent header by Alioski was saved but the keeper parried straight to 
>>> Klitch who continued his great goal scoring form by slotting home with 
>>> style, then a great ball from Roofe found Alioski out wide in the box and 
>>> he fired at goal beating the keeper at his near postWe made sure of the 
>>> three points when Pablo stepped inside a defender and curled one into the 
>>> corner
>>> We did not really hit the heights but we kept them at bay - Pontus looking 
>>> good and BPF collecting the ball from corners on a few occasions  like a 
>>> real keeper (ie not Felix)
>>> We continued to work our whatsits off - even at 3 nil and in the last 
>>> minutes we were chasing down their keeper and defender and hunting in 
>>> packs, and right at the end a couple of our defenders really put their 
>>> bodies on the line, throwing themselves to the ground to block the ball - 
>>> 100% commitment and belief (and that is -almost- all we ask for)
>>> MB as usual sat on his bucket or haunches totally impassive got very 
>>> animated in the last ten minutes prowling the technical area and waving and 
>>> shouting - making sure the players continued to complete Plan A and not 
>>> revert to type by defending or wasting time - both his subs were like for 
>>> like - Bamford for Roofe and then H

Re: [LU] Norwich

[Alec McQueen]

I watched Phillips very carefully during watching the replay I had saved of the 
Swansea game. He was doing perfectly fine for the first 15 mins. In fact, I 
would say he played well. But then for 10 minutes everything he did went wrong. 
And worse he seemed not to be tracking back when he did lose the ball. I think 
maybe this was what MB saw that he didn’t like. I think he is demanding 100% 
effort and no excuses: If you don’t want to give 100%, then get off the pitch. 

Cheers
Alec

> On 26 Aug 2018, at 5:54 pm, David W  wrote:
> 
> Cracking match and day out in Norwich. 
> 
> Roofe - watch the goals again Rich. Superb strong hold up play by Roofe 
> starts the move for the first goal. Gloriously weighted short pass by Roofe 
> puts Alioski through for the second. He is playing brilliantly. I think 
> Bamford looks great as well but Roofe is undroppable right now. 
> 
> Hernandez was majestic yesterday. He was everywhere and never wasted a pass 
> or touch. 
> 
> Phillips was superb as well. Hopefully made a few eat their words!
> 
>> On 25. Aug 2018, at 19:21, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The thing that I liked the most about today was Siaz for me was again off 
>> the pace but we still looked dangerous every time we attacked and that 
>> wouldn’t have happened last season.
>> Also Bamford start against Boro for me. Roofe busy but ineffective.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 17:45, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What a great result (again) makes the game v Boro on Friday a real 
>>> mouthwatering prospect - both unbeaten and joint top of the leagueWatching 
>>> on a live feed it looked as if the pink dressing room had worked as we 
>>> started very poorly and hardly got a touch in the first five minutes or so. 
>>> We survived without too many scares and gradually got a foothold in the 
>>> game, a game which was decided in 5 minutes really with two good goals from 
>>> our point of view (not sure how happy the keeper will be)
>>> A decent header by Alioski was saved but the keeper parried straight to 
>>> Klitch who continued his great goal scoring form by slotting home with 
>>> style, then a great ball from Roofe found Alioski out wide in the box and 
>>> he fired at goal beating the keeper at his near postWe made sure of the 
>>> three points when Pablo stepped inside a defender and curled one into the 
>>> corner
>>> We did not really hit the heights but we kept them at bay - Pontus looking 
>>> good and BPF collecting the ball from corners on a few occasions  like a 
>>> real keeper (ie not Felix)
>>> We continued to work our whatsits off - even at 3 nil and in the last 
>>> minutes we were chasing down their keeper and defender and hunting in 
>>> packs, and right at the end a couple of our defenders really put their 
>>> bodies on the line, throwing themselves to the ground to block the ball - 
>>> 100% commitment and belief (and that is -almost- all we ask for)
>>> MB as usual sat on his bucket or haunches totally impassive got very 
>>> animated in the last ten minutes prowling the technical area and waving and 
>>> shouting - making sure the players continued to complete Plan A and not 
>>> revert to type by defending or wasting time - both his subs were like for 
>>> like - Bamford for Roofe and then Harrison out wide for Pablo (who took a 
>>> knock) - no sending on an extra defender (Shaunessey) or  a defensive 
>>> midfielder - no settling for 3 0 - we were going for a fourth. I am sure 
>>> some game in the future, I and others, will criticise him for this as we 
>>> throw away a 2 or 3 goal lead BUT it is how he wants us to play and that is 
>>> good enough for me
>>> So another 3 pts in the bag, and some more brilliant pass and move , one 
>>> touch football - great to watch at times and with one or two exceptions 
>>> looking solid at the back with Pontus dominant in the air
>>> Looking forward to watching the fringe players on Tuesday (I was away for 
>>> Bolton game) and then a return to normal and a massive game on Friday night 
>>> in front of another full house
>>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[David W]

Cracking match and day out in Norwich. 

Roofe - watch the goals again Rich. Superb strong hold up play by Roofe starts 
the move for the first goal. Gloriously weighted short pass by Roofe puts 
Alioski through for the second. He is playing brilliantly. I think Bamford 
looks great as well but Roofe is undroppable right now. 

Hernandez was majestic yesterday. He was everywhere and never wasted a pass or 
touch. 

Phillips was superb as well. Hopefully made a few eat their words!

> On 25. Aug 2018, at 19:21, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> The thing that I liked the most about today was Siaz for me was again off the 
> pace but we still looked dangerous every time we attacked and that wouldn’t 
> have happened last season.
> Also Bamford start against Boro for me. Roofe busy but ineffective.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 17:45, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> What a great result (again) makes the game v Boro on Friday a real 
>> mouthwatering prospect - both unbeaten and joint top of the leagueWatching 
>> on a live feed it looked as if the pink dressing room had worked as we 
>> started very poorly and hardly got a touch in the first five minutes or so. 
>> We survived without too many scares and gradually got a foothold in the 
>> game, a game which was decided in 5 minutes really with two good goals from 
>> our point of view (not sure how happy the keeper will be)
>> A decent header by Alioski was saved but the keeper parried straight to 
>> Klitch who continued his great goal scoring form by slotting home with 
>> style, then a great ball from Roofe found Alioski out wide in the box and he 
>> fired at goal beating the keeper at his near postWe made sure of the three 
>> points when Pablo stepped inside a defender and curled one into the corner
>> We did not really hit the heights but we kept them at bay - Pontus looking 
>> good and BPF collecting the ball from corners on a few occasions  like a 
>> real keeper (ie not Felix)
>> We continued to work our whatsits off - even at 3 nil and in the last 
>> minutes we were chasing down their keeper and defender and hunting in packs, 
>> and right at the end a couple of our defenders really put their bodies on 
>> the line, throwing themselves to the ground to block the ball - 100% 
>> commitment and belief (and that is -almost- all we ask for)
>> MB as usual sat on his bucket or haunches totally impassive got very 
>> animated in the last ten minutes prowling the technical area and waving and 
>> shouting - making sure the players continued to complete Plan A and not 
>> revert to type by defending or wasting time - both his subs were like for 
>> like - Bamford for Roofe and then Harrison out wide for Pablo (who took a 
>> knock) - no sending on an extra defender (Shaunessey) or  a defensive 
>> midfielder - no settling for 3 0 - we were going for a fourth. I am sure 
>> some game in the future, I and others, will criticise him for this as we 
>> throw away a 2 or 3 goal lead BUT it is how he wants us to play and that is 
>> good enough for me
>> So another 3 pts in the bag, and some more brilliant pass and move , one 
>> touch football - great to watch at times and with one or two exceptions 
>> looking solid at the back with Pontus dominant in the air
>> Looking forward to watching the fringe players on Tuesday (I was away for 
>> Bolton game) and then a return to normal and a massive game on Friday night 
>> in front of another full house
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

The thing that I liked the most about today was Siaz for me was again off the 
pace but we still looked dangerous every time we attacked and that wouldn’t 
have happened last season.
Also Bamford start against Boro for me. Roofe busy but ineffective.



> On 25 Aug 2018, at 17:45, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> What a great result (again) makes the game v Boro on Friday a real 
> mouthwatering prospect - both unbeaten and joint top of the leagueWatching on 
> a live feed it looked as if the pink dressing room had worked as we started 
> very poorly and hardly got a touch in the first five minutes or so. We 
> survived without too many scares and gradually got a foothold in the game, a 
> game which was decided in 5 minutes really with two good goals from our point 
> of view (not sure how happy the keeper will be)
> A decent header by Alioski was saved but the keeper parried straight to 
> Klitch who continued his great goal scoring form by slotting home with style, 
> then a great ball from Roofe found Alioski out wide in the box and he fired 
> at goal beating the keeper at his near postWe made sure of the three points 
> when Pablo stepped inside a defender and curled one into the corner
> We did not really hit the heights but we kept them at bay - Pontus looking 
> good and BPF collecting the ball from corners on a few occasions  like a real 
> keeper (ie not Felix)
> We continued to work our whatsits off - even at 3 nil and in the last minutes 
> we were chasing down their keeper and defender and hunting in packs, and 
> right at the end a couple of our defenders really put their bodies on the 
> line, throwing themselves to the ground to block the ball - 100% commitment 
> and belief (and that is -almost- all we ask for)
> MB as usual sat on his bucket or haunches totally impassive got very animated 
> in the last ten minutes prowling the technical area and waving and shouting - 
> making sure the players continued to complete Plan A and not revert to type 
> by defending or wasting time - both his subs were like for like - Bamford for 
> Roofe and then Harrison out wide for Pablo (who took a knock) - no sending on 
> an extra defender (Shaunessey) or  a defensive midfielder - no settling for 3 
> 0 - we were going for a fourth. I am sure some game in the future, I and 
> others, will criticise him for this as we throw away a 2 or 3 goal lead BUT 
> it is how he wants us to play and that is good enough for me
> So another 3 pts in the bag, and some more brilliant pass and move , one 
> touch football - great to watch at times and with one or two exceptions 
> looking solid at the back with Pontus dominant in the air
> Looking forward to watching the fringe players on Tuesday (I was away for 
> Bolton game) and then a return to normal and a massive game on Friday night 
> in front of another full house
> Dave
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[LU] Norwich

[nat...@sky.com]

What a great result (again) makes the game v Boro on Friday a real 
mouthwatering prospect - both unbeaten and joint top of the leagueWatching on a 
live feed it looked as if the pink dressing room had worked as we started very 
poorly and hardly got a touch in the first five minutes or so. We survived 
without too many scares and gradually got a foothold in the game, a game which 
was decided in 5 minutes really with two good goals from our point of view (not 
sure how happy the keeper will be)
A decent header by Alioski was saved but the keeper parried straight to Klitch 
who continued his great goal scoring form by slotting home with style, then a 
great ball from Roofe found Alioski out wide in the box and he fired at goal 
beating the keeper at his near postWe made sure of the three points when Pablo 
stepped inside a defender and curled one into the corner
We did not really hit the heights but we kept them at bay - Pontus looking good 
and BPF collecting the ball from corners on a few occasions  like a real keeper 
(ie not Felix)
We continued to work our whatsits off - even at 3 nil and in the last minutes 
we were chasing down their keeper and defender and hunting in packs, and right 
at the end a couple of our defenders really put their bodies on the line, 
throwing themselves to the ground to block the ball - 100% commitment and 
belief (and that is -almost- all we ask for)
MB as usual sat on his bucket or haunches totally impassive got very animated 
in the last ten minutes prowling the technical area and waving and shouting - 
making sure the players continued to complete Plan A and not revert to type by 
defending or wasting time - both his subs were like for like - Bamford for 
Roofe and then Harrison out wide for Pablo (who took a knock) - no sending on 
an extra defender (Shaunessey) or  a defensive midfielder - no settling for 3 0 
- we were going for a fourth. I am sure some game in the future, I and others, 
will criticise him for this as we throw away a 2 or 3 goal lead BUT it is how 
he wants us to play and that is good enough for me
So another 3 pts in the bag, and some more brilliant pass and move , one touch 
football - great to watch at times and with one or two exceptions looking solid 
at the back with Pontus dominant in the air
Looking forward to watching the fringe players on Tuesday (I was away for 
Bolton game) and then a return to normal and a massive game on Friday night in 
front of another full house
Dave
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[LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Watching on YouTube - to be honest we were poor first 20 mins with big gaps in 
midfield - Philips absent again but we’ve taken control and 2 great goals.

I
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Re: [LU] Norwich v Leeds

[Tim Greenwood]

Yes, it is on ESPN +

Tim

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 6:35 PM Nigel Sykes  wrote:

> Yep - on all the usual international channels (beIN etc.)
>
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Guy
> Thornton
> Sent: 23 August 2018 21:01
> To: Leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Norwich v Leeds
>
> I know the game is at 15.00 BST on Saturday, the traditional time for
> footie, and neither Sky or BT
> are showing it but I gather the game has been selected as the Championship
> match for
> international broadcasting.
>
> No idea what stations or channels will be showing it but can anyone confirm
> this is the case?
>
> guy
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Re: [LU] Norwich v Leeds

[Nigel Sykes]

Yep - on all the usual international channels (beIN etc.)

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Guy
Thornton
Sent: 23 August 2018 21:01
To: Leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Norwich v Leeds

I know the game is at 15.00 BST on Saturday, the traditional time for
footie, and neither Sky or BT 
are showing it but I gather the game has been selected as the Championship
match for 
international broadcasting.

No idea what stations or channels will be showing it but can anyone confirm
this is the case?

guy
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[LU] Norwich v Leeds

[Guy Thornton]

I know the game is at 15.00 BST on Saturday, the traditional time for footie, 
and neither Sky or BT 
are showing it but I gather the game has been selected as the Championship 
match for 
international broadcasting.

No idea what stations or channels will be showing it but can anyone confirm 
this is the case?

guy
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Michael Benjamin]

I should imagine that PH understands who make the decisions and what they want. 
And he will make his choices accordingly.The cooperate line is consistent. To 
bring along the juniors at their pace. Meanwhile, test who of the seniors 
stays. Then decide who to buy. 
If I am correct, the last game will be more a last chance than a test bed. 
Raz has shown his methods and stick to his guns. Public opinion doesn't sway 
him. 
Let's see 



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|-Original Message-
|From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of {broken-address}
|John Lee
|Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 11:51 AM
|To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
|Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
|
|Without a crystal ball it's almost time to toss a coin. For me I think we have 
to
|give Heckingbottom a chance - he inherited a losing side (although 
paradoxically
|not one that was losing as much as under him!), a pitiful bunch of first 
teamers
|with some prima-donnas to boot, he came with all the baggage of being a
|Leeds-hater, and he's had to deal with a crippling injury list. That said, it's
|difficult to see any discernible difference since he came, aside from
|experimenting with players in different position (presumably to see if they're 
as
|sh*t there too!!), and there has been zero/little progress. The blooding of a
|couple of juniors might be the only positive. He did talk the talk after the
|Norwich game, and he is 100% correct that players have to want it and actually
|compete - for a Leeds player that has to be a given!
|So, hopefully he'll have a plan re players, get them in early, and let's see 
what
|he's made off. I reckon by Game 10 of next year we'll have a clearer idea of
|whether we have a workable manager, or another dud, in which case it will be
|another dead season. To replace him now, and with who, seems daft to me - if
|we'd waited until season-end to sack TC we might have been contemplating
|League 1 football - I thought we played some of the worst football I've ever 
seen
|under him!
|As for ex-players, there is an obsession with getting people back, which makes
|you wonder how blinkered fans knowledge really is? Aside from Milner or
|Delph, who I don't see coming back any time soon (I wish), the rest are 
history.
|Now is the time for Heck to bring in a new batch, hopefully promote some of our
|yoof, and get a team that has got plenty to prove and has real ambition and
|heart. In all honesty I don't think Radzinski has the money needed, unless we 
get
|a back-hander in Myanmar, so this is going to be challenging. I suppose we
|should be grateful that the club doesn't currently appear to be on the edge of 
a
|financial precipice, but we still need someone with more money than sense to
|come along!
|John
|
|  From: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
| To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
| Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2018, 10:08
| Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
|
|Massive decision and one they really need to get right - make the wrong choice
|and it is yet another season that will be wastedThe big question is 'is he good
|enough' ? It is hard to say how much of our decline is down to him or down to
|the players making individual mistakes etc.Certainly the statistics since he 
joined
|make for pretty poor reading - they are awfulalso he has done nothing to bring
|any of the young players through - in some ways quite the reverse failing to 
take
|advantage in the last few games of a 'dead season' - to then drop O'Connor
|yesterday (especially following his own goal in the last game) is hard to
|understand, and his public blaming of Pearce yesterday is akin to the Warnock -
|Tom Lees disaster.At the same time we have been beset with injuries and
|suspensions and individual errors in games that have cost us - but he has 
failed
|to sort out the losing mentality or give us a real football identity
|
|One final point - what is Leeds fans obsession with ex players ? Over the years
|we have wanted so many players back - ffs I have even seen calls for Beckford 
to
|come back - and now the internet is going into overdrive over bringing Bartley
|back! Whilst I would have loved to have kept him this season and think he would
|have made a massive difference  I do not think a recall is the right thing to 
do
|Dave
|
|
|
|      From: Ben Thorpe <bstho...@hotmail.co.uk>
| To: {broken-address} Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-
|broken.gn.apc.org>; Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com>
|Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
| Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2018, 22:34
| Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
|
|He's got until October for me. He's talked the right talk after that defeat, 
but
|bloody hell they should pay the travelling fans costs. Did anyone else have to
|suffer it?
|
|From: Ted
|Sent: Saturday, 28 Ap

Re: [LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} John Lee]

Without a crystal ball it's almost time to toss a coin. For me I think we have 
to give Heckingbottom a chance - he inherited a losing side (although 
paradoxically not one that was losing as much as under him!), a pitiful bunch 
of first teamers with some prima-donnas to boot, he came with all the baggage 
of being a Leeds-hater, and he's had to deal with a crippling injury list. That 
said, it's difficult to see any discernible difference since he came, aside 
from experimenting with players in different position (presumably to see if 
they're as sh*t there too!!), and there has been zero/little progress. The 
blooding of a couple of juniors might be the only positive. He did talk the 
talk after the Norwich game, and he is 100% correct that players have to want 
it and actually compete - for a Leeds player that has to be a given!
So, hopefully he'll have a plan re players, get them in early, and let's see 
what he's made off. I reckon by Game 10 of next year we'll have a clearer idea 
of whether we have a workable manager, or another dud, in which case it will be 
another dead season. To replace him now, and with who, seems daft to me - if 
we'd waited until season-end to sack TC we might have been contemplating League 
1 football - I thought we played some of the worst football I've ever seen 
under him!
As for ex-players, there is an obsession with getting people back, which makes 
you wonder how blinkered fans knowledge really is? Aside from Milner or Delph, 
who I don't see coming back any time soon (I wish), the rest are history. Now 
is the time for Heck to bring in a new batch, hopefully promote some of our 
yoof, and get a team that has got plenty to prove and has real ambition and 
heart. In all honesty I don't think Radzinski has the money needed, unless we 
get a back-hander in Myanmar, so this is going to be challenging. I suppose we 
should be grateful that the club doesn't currently appear to be on the edge of 
a financial precipice, but we still need someone with more money than sense to 
come along!
John

  From: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2018, 10:08
 Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
   
Massive decision and one they really need to get right - make the wrong choice 
and it is yet another season that will be wastedThe big question is 'is he good 
enough' ? It is hard to say how much of our decline is down to him or down to 
the players making individual mistakes etc.Certainly the statistics since he 
joined make for pretty poor reading - they are awfulalso he has done nothing to 
bring any of the young players through - in some ways quite the reverse failing 
to take advantage in the last few games of a 'dead season' - to then drop 
O'Connor yesterday (especially following his own goal in the last game) is hard 
to understand, and his public blaming of Pearce yesterday is akin to the 
Warnock - Tom Lees disaster.At the same time we have been beset with injuries 
and suspensions and individual errors in games that have cost us - but he has 
failed to sort out the losing mentality or give us a real football identity 

One final point - what is Leeds fans obsession with ex players ? Over the years 
we have wanted so many players back - ffs I have even seen calls for Beckford 
to come back - and now the internet is going into overdrive over bringing 
Bartley back! Whilst I would have loved to have kept him this season and think 
he would have made a massive difference  I do not think a recall is the right 
thing to do
Dave



      From: Ben Thorpe <bstho...@hotmail.co.uk>
 To: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>; Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com> 
Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2018, 22:34
 Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
  
He's got until October for me. He's talked the right talk after that defeat, 
but bloody hell they should pay the travelling fans costs. Did anyone else have 
to suffer it?

From: Ted
Sent: Saturday, 28 April, 22:19
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
To: {broken-address} Richard Walker
Cc: leedslist


Is PH any better than the Hock? He left Barnsley perilously close to the drop, 
in fact they may not escape it, and if the season was a month longer he'd take 
us down. Not looking forward to next season with him in charge. Get rid after 
next Sunday for me. Ted H On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, 16:56 {broken-address} Richard 
Walker, < richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote: > Sickening 
Dave. I'd sack him now. > > I'm off to the pub , totally and utterly fed up 
with this season. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 28 Apr 2018, at 16:50, 
"nat...@sky.com" wrote: > > > > So far second half we have been even worse than 
the first !It has not > taken many games for us to drag Forshaw down to our 
level - from a 98% > pass success or whatever in his f

Re: [LU] Norwich

[nat...@sky.com]

Massive decision and one they really need to get right - make the wrong choice 
and it is yet another season that will be wastedThe big question is 'is he good 
enough' ? It is hard to say how much of our decline is down to him or down to 
the players making individual mistakes etc.Certainly the statistics since he 
joined make for pretty poor reading - they are awfulalso he has done nothing to 
bring any of the young players through - in some ways quite the reverse failing 
to take advantage in the last few games of a 'dead season' - to then drop 
O'Connor yesterday (especially following his own goal in the last game) is hard 
to understand, and his public blaming of Pearce yesterday is akin to the 
Warnock - Tom Lees disaster.At the same time we have been beset with injuries 
and suspensions and individual errors in games that have cost us - but he has 
failed to sort out the losing mentality or give us a real football identity 

One final point - what is Leeds fans obsession with ex players ? Over the years 
we have wanted so many players back - ffs I have even seen calls for Beckford 
to come back - and now the internet is going into overdrive over bringing 
Bartley back! Whilst I would have loved to have kept him this season and think 
he would have made a massive difference  I do not think a recall is the right 
thing to do
Dave



  From: Ben Thorpe <bstho...@hotmail.co.uk>
 To: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>; Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com> 
Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2018, 22:34
 Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
   
He's got until October for me. He's talked the right talk after that defeat, 
but bloody hell they should pay the travelling fans costs. Did anyone else have 
to suffer it?

From: Ted
Sent: Saturday, 28 April, 22:19
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
To: {broken-address} Richard Walker
Cc: leedslist


Is PH any better than the Hock? He left Barnsley perilously close to the drop, 
in fact they may not escape it, and if the season was a month longer he'd take 
us down. Not looking forward to next season with him in charge. Get rid after 
next Sunday for me. Ted H On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, 16:56 {broken-address} Richard 
Walker, < richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote: > Sickening 
Dave. I'd sack him now. > > I'm off to the pub , totally and utterly fed up 
with this season. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 28 Apr 2018, at 16:50, 
"nat...@sky.com" wrote: > > > > So far second half we have been even worse than 
the first !It has not > taken many games for us to drag Forshaw down to our 
level - from a 98% > pass success or whatever in his first few games, he 
managed to give the > ball away / lose it four times on the run (though he did 
have a half decent > strike at goal) > > Very poor fare - BPF should have done 
better with their (winning ?) goal > > > > Heck is another game closer t
 o the sack as his subs and change to 3 at > the back have made no difference 
at all > > Will be a few mins added on for the minutes it took Hoolihan to 
leave > the field on his last appearance > > dave > > 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Ben Thorpe]

He's got until October for me. He's talked the right talk after that defeat, 
but bloody hell they should pay the travelling fans costs. Did anyone else have 
to suffer it?

From: Ted
Sent: Saturday, 28 April, 22:19
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
To: {broken-address} Richard Walker
Cc: leedslist


Is PH any better than the Hock? He left Barnsley perilously close to the drop, 
in fact they may not escape it, and if the season was a month longer he'd take 
us down. Not looking forward to next season with him in charge. Get rid after 
next Sunday for me. Ted H On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, 16:56 {broken-address} Richard 
Walker, < richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote: > Sickening 
Dave. I'd sack him now. > > I'm off to the pub , totally and utterly fed up 
with this season. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 28 Apr 2018, at 16:50, 
"nat...@sky.com" wrote: > > > > So far second half we have been even worse than 
the first !It has not > taken many games for us to drag Forshaw down to our 
level - from a 98% > pass success or whatever in his first few games, he 
managed to give the > ball away / lose it four times on the run (though he did 
have a half decent > strike at goal) > > Very poor fare - BPF should have done 
better with their (winning ?) goal > > > > Heck is another game closer t
 o the sack as his subs and change to 3 at > the back have made no difference 
at all > > Will be a few mins added on for the minutes it took Hoolihan to 
leave > the field on his last appearance > > dave > > 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Ted]

Is PH any better than the Hock?

He left Barnsley perilously close to the drop, in fact they may not escape
it, and if the season was a month longer he'd take us down.

Not looking forward to next season with him in charge. Get rid after next
Sunday for me.

Ted H




On Sat, 28 Apr 2018, 16:56 {broken-address} Richard Walker, <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Sickening Dave. I'd sack him now.
>
> I'm off to the pub , totally and utterly fed up with this season.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 28 Apr 2018, at 16:50, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> >
> > So far second half we have been even worse than the first !It has not
> taken many games for us to drag Forshaw down to our level - from a 98%
> pass success or whatever in his first few games, he managed to give the
> ball away / lose it four times on the run (though he did have a half decent
> strike at goal)
> > Very poor fare - BPF should have done better with their (winning ?) goal
> >
> > Heck is another game closer to the sack as his subs and change to 3 at
> the back have made no difference at all
> > Will be a few mins added on for the minutes it took Hoolihan to leave
> the field on his last appearance
> > dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Sickening Dave. I'd sack him now.

I'm off to the pub , totally and utterly fed up with this season.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Apr 2018, at 16:50, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> So far second half we have been even worse than the first !It has not taken 
> many games for us to drag Forshaw down to our level - from a 98%  pass 
> success or whatever in his first few games, he managed to give the ball away 
> / lose it four times on the run (though he did have a half decent strike at 
> goal)
> Very poor fare - BPF should have done better with their (winning ?) goal 
> 
> Heck is another game closer to the sack as his subs and change to 3 at the 
> back have made no difference at all
> Will be a few mins added on for the minutes it took Hoolihan to leave the 
> field on his last appearance
> dave
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[LU] Norwich

[nat...@sky.com]

So far second half we have been even worse than the first !It has not taken 
many games for us to drag Forshaw down to our level - from a 98%  pass success 
or whatever in his first few games, he managed to give the ball away / lose it 
four times on the run (though he did have a half decent strike at goal)
Very poor fare - BPF should have done better with their (winning ?) goal 

Heck is another game closer to the sack as his subs and change to 3 at the back 
have made no difference at all
Will be a few mins added on for the minutes it took Hoolihan to leave the field 
on his last appearance
dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[nat...@sky.com]

Same here - Yes we are
  From: Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
 Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2018, 16:04
 Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
   
 yep , you summed it up perfectly Dave - 'rubbish'
but i am looking forward to the 2nd half - are we mad ?
On Saturday, 28 April 2018, 16:01:51 BST, nat...@sky.com <nat...@sky.com> 
wrote:  
 
 It is exactly what it says on the tin - two midtable teams playing nothing 
football in a nothing matchNo real shots or chances from either side - Phillips 
strike was brilliant BUT came from a poor free kick, a poor punch from the 
keeper and a total balls up of an attempted shot by Vieira. Theirs came from a 
totally ridiculous corner that we took short and ended up back with our keeper 
and then Vieira badly caught in possession - fluke deflection that made it spin 
off both posts and inRubbish teams, rubbish game, rubbish equaliserThe second 
from when it landed on Phillips foot till hit back of the net the only piece of 
quality in the whole game (and I doubt he could do it again !)
Dave

      From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2018, 15:52
 Subject: [LU] Norwich
  
Watching on Youtube -
Open game and we'e looked lively without creating any chances. We've had one 
shot on goal and that went in (great strike from Philips). Roofe was through 
with another chance and put it in the side netting when he should have crossed 
it. 
Lots of mistakes though from us. Their goal which was a wicked deflection of 
Jansson was the result of Vierra losing possession. He was just pissing about 
in midfield. Hernandez keeps giving the ball away like he does every other 
game. Really poor show and whilst we've had lots of possession in midfield 
we've got nothing up front with Roofe on his own. We're looking to Siaz or 
Hernandez to do something special. 
I think with the game being open there's going to be opportunity for Siaz and 
Hernandez second half so anything's possible but Roofe on his own has to be 
changed quickly. 
Pennington our best player - that says a lot. 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 yep , you summed it up perfectly Dave - 'rubbish'
but i am looking forward to the 2nd half - are we mad ?
On Saturday, 28 April 2018, 16:01:51 BST, nat...@sky.com <nat...@sky.com> 
wrote:  
 
 It is exactly what it says on the tin - two midtable teams playing nothing 
football in a nothing matchNo real shots or chances from either side - Phillips 
strike was brilliant BUT came from a poor free kick, a poor punch from the 
keeper and a total balls up of an attempted shot by Vieira. Theirs came from a 
totally ridiculous corner that we took short and ended up back with our keeper 
and then Vieira badly caught in possession - fluke deflection that made it spin 
off both posts and inRubbish teams, rubbish game, rubbish equaliserThe second 
from when it landed on Phillips foot till hit back of the net the only piece of 
quality in the whole game (and I doubt he could do it again !)
Dave

      From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2018, 15:52
 Subject: [LU] Norwich
  
Watching on Youtube -
Open game and we'e looked lively without creating any chances. We've had one 
shot on goal and that went in (great strike from Philips). Roofe was through 
with another chance and put it in the side netting when he should have crossed 
it. 
Lots of mistakes though from us. Their goal which was a wicked deflection of 
Jansson was the result of Vierra losing possession. He was just pissing about 
in midfield. Hernandez keeps giving the ball away like he does every other 
game. Really poor show and whilst we've had lots of possession in midfield 
we've got nothing up front with Roofe on his own. We're looking to Siaz or 
Hernandez to do something special. 
I think with the game being open there's going to be opportunity for Siaz and 
Hernandez second half so anything's possible but Roofe on his own has to be 
changed quickly. 
Pennington our best player - that says a lot. 
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[nat...@sky.com]

It is exactly what it says on the tin - two midtable teams playing nothing 
football in a nothing matchNo real shots or chances from either side - Phillips 
strike was brilliant BUT came from a poor free kick, a poor punch from the 
keeper and a total balls up of an attempted shot by Vieira. Theirs came from a 
totally ridiculous corner that we took short and ended up back with our keeper 
and then Vieira badly caught in possession - fluke deflection that made it spin 
off both posts and inRubbish teams, rubbish game, rubbish equaliserThe second 
from when it landed on Phillips foot till hit back of the net the only piece of 
quality in the whole game (and I doubt he could do it again !)
Dave

  From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, 28 April 2018, 15:52
 Subject: [LU] Norwich
   
Watching on Youtube -
Open game and we'e looked lively without creating any chances. We've had one 
shot on goal and that went in (great strike from Philips). Roofe was through 
with another chance and put it in the side netting when he should have crossed 
it. 
Lots of mistakes though from us. Their goal which was a wicked deflection of 
Jansson was the result of Vierra losing possession. He was just pissing about 
in midfield. Hernandez keeps giving the ball away like he does every other 
game. Really poor show and whilst we've had lots of possession in midfield 
we've got nothing up front with Roofe on his own. We're looking to Siaz or 
Hernandez to do something special. 
I think with the game being open there's going to be opportunity for Siaz and 
Hernandez second half so anything's possible but Roofe on his own has to be 
changed quickly. 
Pennington our best player - that says a lot. 
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[LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Watching on Youtube -
Open game and we'e looked lively without creating any chances. We've had one 
shot on goal and that went in (great strike from Philips). Roofe was through 
with another chance and put it in the side netting when he should have crossed 
it. 
Lots of mistakes though from us. Their goal which was a wicked deflection of 
Jansson was the result of Vierra losing possession. He was just pissing about 
in midfield. Hernandez keeps giving the ball away like he does every other 
game. Really poor show and whilst we've had lots of possession in midfield 
we've got nothing up front with Roofe on his own. We're looking to Siaz or 
Hernandez to do something special. 
I think with the game being open there's going to be opportunity for Siaz and 
Hernandez second half so anything's possible but Roofe on his own has to be 
changed quickly. 
Pennington our best player - that says a lot. 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} Forsake ends]

Jabba's giant toy dog was rescued by him and me from a skip. He was christened 
"O'Leary" and went to the (I think Barcelona or Milan) game with us. Last time 
I visited him he was living in their space room. 
Sarge

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Apr 2017, at 13:24, Graham Thirkill  
> wrote:
> 
> Dave Nattan, thanks for your report on the Norwich game. I thoroughly enjoyed 
> it.
> Just before I came back to the list, I asked Betty what the list was like 
> these days, 
> Auntie Betty told me you did great reports on the games. Thanks very much 
> Dave,
> Betty is quite right, you do. Betty didn’t say it was more quiet than it used 
> to be 
> The list is far different from the one I remember, Stotty, Dellow, Guy 
> Thornton, Wiggy,
> Niggy, Rogere, Jim Moran, Martin Dexter, Accrington Stanley Lad, Martin 
> Browne,
> Caddy, Janes London, Verner, Dave Diowden, where are they now ?. The list 
> meets, 
> pre-game was usually in The Brittania, (now closed) There used to be a 
> regular 20 or 
> more listers in there, it was a hoot. We also used Peter Lorimer’s boozer, we 
> used to 
> meet my pal Harold Williams with John Charles. The away list meets were also 
> super 
> in different pubs all over the country. Maybe over the years, these lads of 
> got fed up 
> with Bates’y and the club in general. It’s eighteen years ago, since I first 
> joined the list
> so a few of the older guys may have passed away, I know Grandpa Sykes in 
> Canada 
> did. There were quite a few guys who wrote very comical stuff, it was very 
> entertaining 
> at the time and a bloody good laugh. Betty used to write a very funny story 
> or two and 
> so did Stotty. I travelled all over Europe with some of these guys, we lived 
> the dream 
> with O’leary and Ridsdale, it was fantastic, visiting the stadiums and Cities 
> I’d never 
> been to before, with good close pals. From the flight out, to the flight 
> back, these 
> trips were superb, these pals will always be remembered as long as I live. 
> The last 
> one I remember was with Verner and we stayed in Malaga for a few days as I 
> remember, I think this was the last game we played in Europe. I will tell you 
> a story, 
> one day, about me and Martyn Brown with Betty in Barcelona, Betty somehow had 
> to walk up a few flights of stairs because someone sabotaged the lift in the 
> place we 
> were staying. It only held two passengers, Martyn and myself went up in the 
> lift first.
> For some reason Betty couldn’t get the lift to return back to get him up to 
> join us……..
> shame……the lift door had been left open so poor old Betty had to trudge and 
> struggle up three or four flights of stairs after a night on the town, on his 
> own. 
> He was quite animated when he eventually joined Martyn and my self and saw 
> the 
> lift door had been left open…..on purpose……??……of course not?
> Hope you all have a great Bank Holiday. 
> Cheers and Beers, 
> Thirkers\098/
> PS There is also a story referring to Jon Abbot and a huge soft toy on 
> the 
> the streets of Barceloa in the early hours after a football match, and 
> another about 
> Stotty conning me to have a removable tattoo on my head and then he would 
> also have 
> one. I did, he bottled out, it was pouring with raining all so the paint/ink 
> was running 
> everywhere. Thanks Stotty who I remember was wetting himself about the con……
> Another memorable occasion was my 60th birthday, seventeen years ago……(how 
> time flies-by)... at my house. There was a load of friends from the list in 
> attendance 
> and what a night that was. There were bodies in every room of the house that 
> slept over.
> There was one guy SI.c, remember him…..He was so sick my wife said put
> him in the utility room. An our two later, sick was appearing from under the 
> utility 
> room door, His name Si.c was immediately change to Sick.
> 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} Graham White]

Hi Guy
Sorry to hear about your problems, but I guess everyone on this list is 
becoming an old fucker now!  I'm bloody 61 ffs!!!
If you fancy a cheap holiday in the sun you are always welcome to come to 
Mallorca, I've got plenty of space, free accommodation - just get yourself 
here.* 
A Latin** student says - it's "anni horribili" being plural :-)
*Got to wear your bobble hat tho'
** failed O level Latin grade 8 :-( Graham WhiteThe court 
is filled with splendour.
The fields are full of weeds.The granaries are empty.The powerful wear costly 
clothing,Carry sharp swords,Pamper themselves with lavish food and drink,And 
possess riches in extravagance.These are not princes and lords.They are robber 
barons.
Lao T'se 

On Monday, 1 May 2017, 14:21, Guy Thornton  
wrote:
 

 Hello Thirkers, welcome back and good to hear from you.
Fear not, I at least am still here as are some of the other names you mention. 
Admittedly I have been 
very quiet posting wise for a while. Last couple of years been something of an 
annus horribilis with too 
much to much time spent in hospital, ongoing from events from earlier accidents 
including an operation 
on my wrist back in August 2015 which should have been done and dusted in six 
weeks and instead it's 
eighteen months and four operations later. Add to that a problem discovered 
with my eyes last year. 
Looked bad and was having vision problems but, touch wood, things have now been 
stabilized.

Hopefully things are improving and on the up and like Leeds be ready next 
season for improved 
performance and a big push.

guy


On 30 Apr 2017 at 13:24, Graham Thirkill wrote:

Dave Nattan, thanks for your report on the Norwich game. I thoroughly enjoyed 
it.
Just before I came back to the list, I asked Betty what the list was like these 
days, 
Auntie Betty told me you did great reports on the games. Thanks very much Dave,
Betty is quite right, you do. Betty didn´t say it was more quiet than it used 
to be 
The list is far different from the one I remember, Stotty, Dellow, Guy 
Thornton, Wiggy,
Niggy, Rogere, Jim Moran, Martin Dexter, Accrington Stanley Lad, Martin Browne,
Caddy, Janes London, Verner, Dave Diowden, where are they now ?. The list 
meets, 
pre-game was usually in The Brittania, (now closed) There used to be a regular 
20 or 
more listers in there, it was a hoot. We also used Peter Lorimer´s boozer, we 
used to 
meet my pal Harold Williams with John Charles. The away list meets were also 
super 
in different pubs all over the country. Maybe over the years, these lads of got 
fed up 
with Bates´y and the club in general. It´s eighteen years ago, since I first 
joined the list
so a few of the older guys may have passed away, I know Grandpa Sykes in Canada 
did. There were quite a few guys who wrote very comical stuff, it was very 
entertaining 
at the time and a bloody good laugh. Betty used to write a very funny story or 
two and 
so did Stotty. I travelled all over Europe with some of these guys, we lived 
the dream 
with O´leary and Ridsdale, it was fantastic, visiting the stadiums and Cities 
I´d never 
been to before, with good close pals. From the flight out, to the flight back, 
these 
trips were superb, these pals will always be remembered as long as I live. The 
last 
one I remember was with Verner and we stayed in Malaga for a few days as I 
remember, I think this was the last game we played in Europe. I will tell you a 
story, 
one day, about me and Martyn Brown with Betty in Barcelona, Betty somehow had 
to walk up a few flights of stairs because someone sabotaged the lift in the 
place we 
were staying. It only held two passengers, Martyn and myself went up in the 
lift first.
For some reason Betty couldn´t get the lift to return back to get him up to 
join us
shame..the lift door had been left open so poor old Betty had to trudge and 
struggle up three or four flights of stairs after a night on the town, on his 
own. 
He was quite animated when he eventually joined Martyn and my self and saw the 
lift door had been left open.on purpose..??..of course 
not?
Hope you all have a great Bank Holiday. 
Cheers and Beers, 
Thirkers\098/
PS There is also a story referring to Jon Abbot and a huge soft toy on the 
the streets of Barceloa in the early hours after a football match, and another 
about 
Stotty conning me to have a removable tattoo on my head and then he would also 
have 
one. I did, he bottled out, it was pouring with raining all so the paint/ink 
was running 
everywhere. Thanks Stotty who I remember was wetting himself about the con..
Another memorable occasion was my 60th birthday, seventeen years ago..(how 
time flies-by)... at my house. There was a load of friends from the list in 
attendance 
and what a night that was. There were bodies in every room of the house that 
slept over.
There was one guy SI.c, remember him.He was so sick my wife 

Re: [LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} John Lee]

Nice to see you pop your head up Guy - hope you're on the mend. The sight of 
you careering through Amsterdam on your bike with crutches stowed on board 
filled me with dread :-( 
We had hoped to be over in April but decided on London instead. Am sure it 
won't be long before we're back though.
Cheers
John
PS Football is now officially unmentionable until Aug 1!

  From: Guy Thornton <guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net>
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Monday, 1 May 2017, 13:21
 Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
   
Hello Thirkers, welcome back and good to hear from you.
Fear not, I at least am still here as are some of the other names you mention. 
Admittedly I have been 
very quiet posting wise for a while. Last couple of years been something of an 
annus horribilis with too 
much to much time spent in hospital, ongoing from events from earlier accidents 
including an operation 
on my wrist back in August 2015 which should have been done and dusted in six 
weeks and instead it's 
eighteen months and four operations later. Add to that a problem discovered 
with my eyes last year. 
Looked bad and was having vision problems but, touch wood, things have now been 
stabilized.

Hopefully things are improving and on the up and like Leeds be ready next 
season for improved 
performance and a big push.

guy


On 30 Apr 2017 at 13:24, Graham Thirkill wrote:

Dave Nattan, thanks for your report on the Norwich game. I thoroughly enjoyed 
it.
Just before I came back to the list, I asked Betty what the list was like these 
days, 
Auntie Betty told me you did great reports on the games. Thanks very much Dave,
Betty is quite right, you do. Betty didn´t say it was more quiet than it used 
to be 
The list is far different from the one I remember, Stotty, Dellow, Guy 
Thornton, Wiggy,
Niggy, Rogere, Jim Moran, Martin Dexter, Accrington Stanley Lad, Martin Browne,
Caddy, Janes London, Verner, Dave Diowden, where are they now ?. The list 
meets, 
pre-game was usually in The Brittania, (now closed) There used to be a regular 
20 or 
more listers in there, it was a hoot. We also used Peter Lorimer´s boozer, we 
used to 
meet my pal Harold Williams with John Charles. The away list meets were also 
super 
in different pubs all over the country. Maybe over the years, these lads of got 
fed up 
with Bates´y and the club in general. It´s eighteen years ago, since I first 
joined the list
so a few of the older guys may have passed away, I know Grandpa Sykes in Canada 
did. There were quite a few guys who wrote very comical stuff, it was very 
entertaining 
at the time and a bloody good laugh. Betty used to write a very funny story or 
two and 
so did Stotty. I travelled all over Europe with some of these guys, we lived 
the dream 
with O´leary and Ridsdale, it was fantastic, visiting the stadiums and Cities 
I´d never 
been to before, with good close pals. From the flight out, to the flight back, 
these 
trips were superb, these pals will always be remembered as long as I live. The 
last 
one I remember was with Verner and we stayed in Malaga for a few days as I 
remember, I think this was the last game we played in Europe. I will tell you a 
story, 
one day, about me and Martyn Brown with Betty in Barcelona, Betty somehow had 
to walk up a few flights of stairs because someone sabotaged the lift in the 
place we 
were staying. It only held two passengers, Martyn and myself went up in the 
lift first.
For some reason Betty couldn´t get the lift to return back to get him up to 
join us
shame..the lift door had been left open so poor old Betty had to trudge and 
struggle up three or four flights of stairs after a night on the town, on his 
own. 
He was quite animated when he eventually joined Martyn and my self and saw the 
lift door had been left open.on purpose..??..of course 
not?
Hope you all have a great Bank Holiday. 
Cheers and Beers, 
Thirkers\098/
PS There is also a story referring to Jon Abbot and a huge soft toy on the 
the streets of Barceloa in the early hours after a football match, and another 
about 
Stotty conning me to have a removable tattoo on my head and then he would also 
have 
one. I did, he bottled out, it was pouring with raining all so the paint/ink 
was running 
everywhere. Thanks Stotty who I remember was wetting himself about the con..
Another memorable occasion was my 60th birthday, seventeen years ago..(how 
time flies-by)... at my house. There was a load of friends from the list in 
attendance 
and what a night that was. There were bodies in every room of the house that 
slept over.
There was one guy SI.c, remember him.He was so sick my wife said put
him in the utility room. An our two later, sick was appearing from under the 
utility 
room door, His name Si.c was immediately change to Sick.

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[Guy Thornton]

Hello Thirkers, welcome back and good to hear from you.
Fear not, I at least am still here as are some of the other names you mention. 
Admittedly I have been 
very quiet posting wise for a while. Last couple of years been something of an 
annus horribilis with too 
much to much time spent in hospital, ongoing from events from earlier accidents 
including an operation 
on my wrist back in August 2015 which should have been done and dusted in six 
weeks and instead it's 
eighteen months and four operations later. Add to that a problem discovered 
with my eyes last year. 
Looked bad and was having vision problems but, touch wood, things have now been 
stabilized.

Hopefully things are improving and on the up and like Leeds be ready next 
season for improved 
performance and a big push.

guy


On 30 Apr 2017 at 13:24, Graham Thirkill wrote:

Dave Nattan, thanks for your report on the Norwich game. I thoroughly enjoyed 
it.
Just before I came back to the list, I asked Betty what the list was like these 
days, 
Auntie Betty told me you did great reports on the games. Thanks very much Dave,
Betty is quite right, you do. Betty didn´t say it was more quiet than it used 
to be 
The list is far different from the one I remember, Stotty, Dellow, Guy 
Thornton, Wiggy,
Niggy, Rogere, Jim Moran, Martin Dexter, Accrington Stanley Lad, Martin Browne,
Caddy, Janes London, Verner, Dave Diowden, where are they now ?. The list 
meets, 
pre-game was usually in The Brittania, (now closed) There used to be a regular 
20 or 
more listers in there, it was a hoot. We also used Peter Lorimer´s boozer, we 
used to 
meet my pal Harold Williams with John Charles. The away list meets were also 
super 
in different pubs all over the country. Maybe over the years, these lads of got 
fed up 
with Bates´y and the club in general. It´s eighteen years ago, since I first 
joined the list
so a few of the older guys may have passed away, I know Grandpa Sykes in Canada 
did. There were quite a few guys who wrote very comical stuff, it was very 
entertaining 
at the time and a bloody good laugh. Betty used to write a very funny story or 
two and 
so did Stotty. I travelled all over Europe with some of these guys, we lived 
the dream 
with O´leary and Ridsdale, it was fantastic, visiting the stadiums and Cities 
I´d never 
been to before, with good close pals. From the flight out, to the flight back, 
these 
trips were superb, these pals will always be remembered as long as I live. The 
last 
one I remember was with Verner and we stayed in Malaga for a few days as I 
remember, I think this was the last game we played in Europe. I will tell you a 
story, 
one day, about me and Martyn Brown with Betty in Barcelona, Betty somehow had 
to walk up a few flights of stairs because someone sabotaged the lift in the 
place we 
were staying. It only held two passengers, Martyn and myself went up in the 
lift first.
For some reason Betty couldn´t get the lift to return back to get him up to 
join us
shame..the lift door had been left open so poor old Betty had to trudge and 
struggle up three or four flights of stairs after a night on the town, on his 
own. 
He was quite animated when he eventually joined Martyn and my self and saw the 
lift door had been left open.on purpose..??..of course 
not?
Hope you all have a great Bank Holiday. 
Cheers and Beers, 
Thirkers\098/
PS There is also a story referring to Jon Abbot and a huge soft toy on the 
the streets of Barceloa in the early hours after a football match, and another 
about 
Stotty conning me to have a removable tattoo on my head and then he would also 
have 
one. I did, he bottled out, it was pouring with raining all so the paint/ink 
was running 
everywhere. Thanks Stotty who I remember was wetting himself about the con..
Another memorable occasion was my 60th birthday, seventeen years ago..(how 
time flies-by)... at my house. There was a load of friends from the list in 
attendance 
and what a night that was. There were bodies in every room of the house that 
slept over.
There was one guy SI.c, remember him.He was so sick my wife said put
him in the utility room. An our two later, sick was appearing from under the 
utility 
room door, His name Si.c was immediately change to Sick.

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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Graham Palmer]

And thanks from me too- much appreciated. Really value your thoughts on the 
games.
Cheers 
Graham 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Apr 2017, at 18:24, "errand.fivef...@talk21.com" 
> <errand.fivef...@talk21.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I second that Rich.
> Thanks Dave, the reports mean a lot.
> Cheers fella.
> 
> Best wishes from Sunny North Yorkshire,
> 
> 
> Verner
> 
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> 
> From: Richard Naef
> Sent: 30 April 2017 15:33
> To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
> 
> As usual thanks for your efforts this year.  
> 
> Great to see that at least in patches this season has made ER a better place 
> for you die hards who kept the faith. 
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
> nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 30 April 2017 11:14
> To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Subject: [LU] Norwich
> 
> What an amazing end to a fairly odd season.
> As I said I went to the game not expecting it to count for anything but 
> hoping that the players would perform in such a way as to keep the fans 
> behind them.
> Due to the full house I ended up arriving 3 minutes into the game, just in 
> time to see Norwich flash a shot just past the post and these set the scene 
> for the first 40minutes, as our rock solid defence just melted away and 
> Norwich played with 
> 
> SNIP
> 
> 
> So that is it for another year and the big question is can we build on it ? 
> Will Monk sign, can we keep Bartley, Jansson and Wood. If we do keep these 
> four then next season could be ours especially if we make a few wise 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[errand.fivefold]

Yes, I second that Rich.
Thanks Dave, the reports mean a lot.
Cheers fella.

Best wishes from Sunny North Yorkshire,


Verner

Sent from my Windows 10 phone

From: Richard Naef
Sent: 30 April 2017 15:33
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich

As usual thanks for your efforts this year.  

Great to see that at least in patches this season has made ER a better place 
for you die hards who kept the faith. 

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
nat...@sky.com
Sent: 30 April 2017 11:14
To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: [LU] Norwich

What an amazing end to a fairly odd season.
As I said I went to the game not expecting it to count for anything but hoping 
that the players would perform in such a way as to keep the fans behind them.
Due to the full house I ended up arriving 3 minutes into the game, just in time 
to see Norwich flash a shot just past the post and these set the scene for the 
first 40minutes, as our rock solid defence just melted away and Norwich played 
with 

SNIP


So that is it for another year and the big question is can we build on it ? 
Will Monk sign, can we keep Bartley, Jansson and Wood. If we do keep these four 
then next season could be ours especially if we make a few wise additions Dave 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Richard Naef]

As usual thanks for your efforts this year.  

Great to see that at least in patches this season has made ER a better place 
for you die hards who kept the faith. 

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
nat...@sky.com
Sent: 30 April 2017 11:14
To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: [LU] Norwich

What an amazing end to a fairly odd season.
As I said I went to the game not expecting it to count for anything but hoping 
that the players would perform in such a way as to keep the fans behind them.
Due to the full house I ended up arriving 3 minutes into the game, just in time 
to see Norwich flash a shot just past the post and these set the scene for the 
first 40minutes, as our rock solid defence just melted away and Norwich played 
with 

SNIP


So that is it for another year and the big question is can we build on it ? 
Will Monk sign, can we keep Bartley, Jansson and Wood. If we do keep these four 
then next season could be ours especially if we make a few wise additions Dave 
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[LU] Norwich

[Graham Thirkill]

Dave Nattan, thanks for your report on the Norwich game. I thoroughly enjoyed 
it.
Just before I came back to the list, I asked Betty what the list was like these 
days, 
Auntie Betty told me you did great reports on the games. Thanks very much Dave,
Betty is quite right, you do. Betty didn’t say it was more quiet than it used 
to be 
The list is far different from the one I remember, Stotty, Dellow, Guy 
Thornton, Wiggy,
Niggy, Rogere, Jim Moran, Martin Dexter, Accrington Stanley Lad, Martin Browne,
Caddy, Janes London, Verner, Dave Diowden, where are they now ?. The list 
meets, 
pre-game was usually in The Brittania, (now closed) There used to be a regular 
20 or 
more listers in there, it was a hoot. We also used Peter Lorimer’s boozer, we 
used to 
meet my pal Harold Williams with John Charles. The away list meets were also 
super 
in different pubs all over the country. Maybe over the years, these lads of got 
fed up 
with Bates’y and the club in general. It’s eighteen years ago, since I first 
joined the list
so a few of the older guys may have passed away, I know Grandpa Sykes in Canada 
did. There were quite a few guys who wrote very comical stuff, it was very 
entertaining 
at the time and a bloody good laugh. Betty used to write a very funny story or 
two and 
so did Stotty. I travelled all over Europe with some of these guys, we lived 
the dream 
with O’leary and Ridsdale, it was fantastic, visiting the stadiums and Cities 
I’d never 
been to before, with good close pals. From the flight out, to the flight back, 
these 
trips were superb, these pals will always be remembered as long as I live. The 
last 
one I remember was with Verner and we stayed in Malaga for a few days as I 
remember, I think this was the last game we played in Europe. I will tell you a 
story, 
one day, about me and Martyn Brown with Betty in Barcelona, Betty somehow had 
to walk up a few flights of stairs because someone sabotaged the lift in the 
place we 
were staying. It only held two passengers, Martyn and myself went up in the 
lift first.
For some reason Betty couldn’t get the lift to return back to get him up to 
join us……..
shame……the lift door had been left open so poor old Betty had to trudge and 
struggle up three or four flights of stairs after a night on the town, on his 
own. 
He was quite animated when he eventually joined Martyn and my self and saw the 
lift door had been left open…..on purpose……??……of course not?
Hope you all have a great Bank Holiday. 
Cheers and Beers, 
Thirkers\098/
PS There is also a story referring to Jon Abbot and a huge soft toy on the 
the streets of Barceloa in the early hours after a football match, and another 
about 
Stotty conning me to have a removable tattoo on my head and then he would also 
have 
one. I did, he bottled out, it was pouring with raining all so the paint/ink 
was running 
everywhere. Thanks Stotty who I remember was wetting himself about the con……
Another memorable occasion was my 60th birthday, seventeen years ago……(how 
time flies-by)... at my house. There was a load of friends from the list in 
attendance 
and what a night that was. There were bodies in every room of the house that 
slept over.
There was one guy SI.c, remember him…..He was so sick my wife said put
him in the utility room. An our two later, sick was appearing from under the 
utility 
room door, His name Si.c was immediately change to Sick.

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[LU] Norwich

[nat...@sky.com]

What an amazing end to a fairly odd season.
As I said I went to the game not expecting it to count for anything but hoping 
that the players would perform in such a way as to keep the fans behind them.
Due to the full house I ended up arriving 3 minutes into the game, just in time 
to see Norwich flash a shot just past the post and these set the scene for the 
first 40minutes, as our rock solid defence just melted away and Norwich played 
with such skill and flair we wondered how they were not being promoted.  They 
destroyed us and we were lucky that we did not go 5 or 6 down, so dominate were 
they and so lax were we at the back. It really was awful and fans (presumably 
the ones who had booked tickets for the play off party) left the ground before 
half time. Those that remained were very disgruntled especially the big lad 
near me who was giving the team dog's abuse .
We gave the Norwich midfield the run of the park and stood back as their player 
got the ball walked foraward and then lashed a shot past Green. We had been 
talking beforehand how we really lack a midfield player who can take a long 
shot a la Mowatt, and how this meant both a lack of goals from midfield and 
made us easier to defend against.
At 0 1 we were trying to recall if we had won a game this year from that 
position but before we could recall any such victory Norwich cut us open 
beating our attempt at an offside trap and bang it was 0 2. We were pretty 
certain that we have not come from 2 down to win and then after two narrow 
escapes, one a missed sitter, it was game over 0-3 and we were being given ther 
runaround. My worst fears had come true - we were being shown up and the fans 
reacted badly with lots of abuse and boos. 

Then it all changed, the ineffective Dallas went down the wing and put in a 
lovely cross that fell to Wood and he 'thighed ' it in - another great finish 
and another example of how important Wood is - what a season he has had.

So 1 3 at half time and me and my mate recalled the Derby 4 3 game when Bowyer 
got the winner - could thi team repeat that amazing come back ? Well they tried 
and almost made it. Second half we were a team transformed as O'Kane showed he 
should have played more, and Viera and Roofe showed what they are capable of. 
Hernandez also decided he should pull his finger out and come to the party. His 
corner resulted in a mad scramble that ended with Bartley inching the ball 
home. Then a free kick on the edge of the box and Herndandez fired it home - 
great finish. Norwich were on the ropes and were time wasting and commiting 
foul after foul trying to disrupt our rythmn.  A bad tackle ended in a red card 
for one of them and then the board went up for 6 minutes injury time - could we 
get the goal that could keep the season alive ? No we couldn't but not for lack 
of trying - we gave it everything but unfortunatley so did Norwich as they were 
determined to hang on for a point. We came close especailly a cross into the 
box that Bartley met but could not get it on target.
The final whistle went and the crowd rose to salute the efforts of the team, 
not just for the Norwich game but for the whole season, a season when we 
regained a lot of fans and , more importatnly, our respect. In the end a very 
poor start to the season, a bad spell just at the wrong time, and possibly a 
lack of a plan B, meant that we just missed out on the play offs but overall it 
has been a good season, the best for ages.

So that is it for another year and the big question is can we build on it ? 
Will Monk sign, can we keep Bartley, Jansson and Wood. If we do keep these four 
then next season could be ours especially if we make a few wise additions
Dave
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Re: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare

[Matt Anderson]

Funny coincidence that it's 25 years since the league title and that season 
finished with Norwich at home too! 

Will have half an eye on the farsley celtic play off final today as I too think 
it's a dead rubber! 


Matthew Anderson
Managing Director
TVET UK 
+447795 036989

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> On 29 Apr 2017, at 09:12, "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> wrote:
> 
> Stange feeling about today. Normally I would have spent all week working out 
> the various permutations and results but I have not given it a thought. From 
> the final whistle against Burton I have felt that it is all over and although 
> I am just getting ready now I have no real enthusiasm for it and almost don't 
> care about the result - I have given up all hopes of play offs in my head.
> I just hope we play well and , hopefully, win so that the players can get 
> some applause and thanks for a good season where they showed plenty of 
> commitment and effort and gave us some pride back
> . A bad performance may see the fans on their backs all game and them being 
> booed off at the end with fans viewing them as 'bottlers'
> Dave
> 
>  From: Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com>
> To: Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> 
> Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017, 9:05
> Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare
> 
> We win, Fulham draw, Wednesday & Reading lose
> 
> Back on
> 
> 
> 
> ...maybe.
> 
> 
> 
> On 29 Apr 2017 08:32, "{broken-address} Richard Walker" <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> dead rubber Mick, I might stay in the pub.
>> 
>>   From: "Robinson, Mick" <mick.robin...@miq.com>
>>   To: 'leeds list' <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>>   Sent: Friday, 28 April 2017, 16:30
>>   Subject: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare
>> 
>> I have a spare ticket for tomorrow if anyone needs one.
>> 
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Re: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare

[David W]

Agree with the first half of that Dave. Burton and Wolves as a double hit has 
really deflated everything. That said, an early goal, and good news from one of 
the other games‎ and things could spark. 

Don't think the fans will get on the players backs whatever though. At worst 
there will be a sense of deflation and missed opportunity. 

‎
  Original Message  
From: nat...@sky.com
Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 09:12
To: Leeds List
Reply To: nat...@sky.com
Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare

Stange feeling about today. Normally I would have spent all week working out 
the various permutations and results but I have not given it a thought. From 
the final whistle against Burton I have felt that it is all over and although I 
am just getting ready now I have no real enthusiasm for it and almost don't 
care about the result - I have given up all hopes of play offs in my head.
I just hope we play well and , hopefully, win so that the players can get some 
applause and thanks for a good season where they showed plenty of commitment 
and effort and gave us some pride back
. A bad performance may see the fans on their backs all game and them being 
booed off at the end with fans viewing them as 'bottlers'
Dave

From: Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com>
To: Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> 
Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017, 9:05
Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare

We win, Fulham draw, Wednesday & Reading lose

Back on



...maybe.



On 29 Apr 2017 08:32, "{broken-address} Richard Walker" <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

> dead rubber Mick, I might stay in the pub.
>
>      From: "Robinson, Mick" <mick.robin...@miq.com>
>  To: 'leeds list' <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>  Sent: Friday, 28 April 2017, 16:30
>  Subject: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare
>
> I have a spare ticket for tomorrow if anyone needs one.
>
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Re: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare

[nat...@sky.com]

Stange feeling about today. Normally I would have spent all week working out 
the various permutations and results but I have not given it a thought. From 
the final whistle against Burton I have felt that it is all over and although I 
am just getting ready now I have no real enthusiasm for it and almost don't 
care about the result - I have given up all hopes of play offs in my head.
I just hope we play well and , hopefully, win so that the players can get some 
applause and thanks for a good season where they showed plenty of commitment 
and effort and gave us some pride back
. A bad performance may see the fans on their backs all game and them being 
booed off at the end with fans viewing them as 'bottlers'
Dave

  From: Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com>
 To: Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> 
Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017, 9:05
 Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare
   
We win, Fulham draw, Wednesday & Reading lose

Back on



...maybe.



On 29 Apr 2017 08:32, "{broken-address} Richard Walker" <
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> dead rubber Mick, I might stay in the pub.
>
>      From: "Robinson, Mick" <mick.robin...@miq.com>
>  To: 'leeds list' <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
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>  Subject: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare
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> I have a spare ticket for tomorrow if anyone needs one.
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Re: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare

[Ted]

We win, Fulham draw, Wednesday & Reading lose

Back on



...maybe.



On 29 Apr 2017 08:32, "{broken-address} Richard Walker" <
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> dead rubber Mick, I might stay in the pub.
>
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>  To: 'leeds list' <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
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>  Subject: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare
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Re: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

dead rubber Mick, I might stay in the pub.

  From: "Robinson, Mick" <mick.robin...@miq.com>
 To: 'leeds list' <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Friday, 28 April 2017, 16:30
 Subject: [LU] LU: Norwich Spare
   
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[LU] LU: Norwich Spare

[Robinson, Mick]

I have a spare ticket for tomorrow if anyone needs one.


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[LU] Norwich draw 1-1

[tim.whelan]

In the East Anglian derby that's just finished. Not a bad result for us, as 
they fail to make up too much ground on the teams in the play-off places.

Tim.
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[LU] Norwich highlights

[nat...@sky.com]

Just watched the 15minuts of highlights on LUTV and I must say I am very 
impressed.The number of chances we created and shots on target shows that we 
can be a force going forward as well
I know that LUTV is biased in our favour when they do the editing but some of 
our flowing moves were excellent - none more so of course than the one leading 
to the second goal.
I know the winner was a shot from distance (and what a shot) but just to go on 
and win a game when you concede a 89th minute equaliser away from home shows we 
do have some team spirit and will to win (how many times in the past few 
seasons have we been a goal up with minutes to go and managed to lose it?)
A shame that their goal came from a corner - I was at a wedding yesterday so 
asked my son and my mate to text me updates - their goal was described by one 
as "messy og from a corner, obviously" and by the other as "losing one nil, 
from you guessed it, a corner" - SO it seems as if we are still a bit 
vulnerable from them even though it is not total panic every time we conceed 
one any more
SO onwards and upwards, a sell out v Geordies and tickets selling well v Villa 
- lets hope they can put on a real show in front of a big crowd and watching TV 
audience that will bring even more fans back for the less attractive matches
There is certainly a 'feel good' factor around the place at the moment (shame 
that once again it is interrupted by a week off) Let's hope Cellino continues 
to keep his low profile and does not feel the need to stick his oar in now that 
Monk is getting the plaudits.
The play offs are the best we can hope for this season and that is going to be 
hard but not impossible and at least, for the first time in ages, we are a team 
looking like we are going in the right direction
Dave
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Re: [LU] Norwich 2 Leeds 2

[Simon McNally]

Viera screamer for 3-2, up to sixth in the table!
Is it time to overreact?
Absolutely!
United are back - we're going up!
Simon

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> Sift goal and now 7 minutes injury time to be played..
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[LU] Norwich 2 Leeds 3

[John Boocock]

Viera 90+1 

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[LU] Norwich 2 Leeds 2

[John Boocock]

Sift goal and now 7 minutes injury time to be played..

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[LU] Norwich 1 Leeds 2 Chris Wood (74min)

[John Boocock]

Norwich 1 Leeds 2 Chris Wood (74min)
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[LU] Norwich 1 Leeds 1

[John Boocock]

Jannson 

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Re: [LU] Norwich 1 Leeds 0

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

We have had loads of chances though by the sounds of things

  From: John Boocock <j...@boocock.net>
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 Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 11:58 AM
 Subject: [LU] Norwich 1 Leeds 0
   
Karen Brady 24 mins.

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[LU] Norwich 1 Leeds 0

[John Boocock]

Karen Brady 24 mins.

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Re: [LU] Norwich

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

A few thoughts about last night.

I thought it was a momentous night for many reasons. First, everyone including 
me was mightily pissed off with the team selection. How can we possible win a 
game with Mowatt and Grimes in midfield and an attack that's hardly scored a 
league goal this season? Coupled with that we leave out our best defender and 
star player and play a right back at left back who has played 20 mins of first 
team football this season.

For me it was an astounding team selection which said to me that Monk wasn't 
bothered about this competition and was more interested in Burton on Saturday.

After 30 mins I think you could say I was right. Norwich played us off the 
park, they were quicker and brighter and had players who were comfortable on 
the ball. It was no surprise when we went 1 down when they broke from OUR 
corner, one pass, one run, cross and an easy finish. Silvestre kept us in the 
game with a couple of good saves and it seemed like it was going to be a very 
long night.

Credit to us, we battled our way back into it and had a few chances before 
Roofe crossed to Doukara who headed back to an unmarked Andersson (or someone 
with a name like that) who couldn't miss. 

Doukara was inspired and he looked hungry, fit and determined. He ran hard, won 
balls in the air and caused Norwich all sorts of problems. 

Second half and unbelievable we started to take control. Wood came on for 
Antosson and we created chance after chance, the best one falling to Mowatt, 
who unbelievable missed an open goal. Worse miss I've seen for a long time and 
summed up his season so far. He was dragged off shortly afterwards. 

Sacko came on and gave us a bit of pace and I felt really comfortable watching 
us dominate and I thought there was only going to be one winner. Wood looked 
lively, Vierra was tenacious and with Philips coming on for the last 15 minutes 
we looked like we wanted it more than they did.

Then disaster, Coyle got injured , Vierra was sacrificed to right back and we 
went into extra time struggling. Norwich took the lead with an easy goal and I 
considered leaving to go get the last train. Glad I didn't. 

We continued to battle with everyone putting in 100% including Philips and 
Grimes who both had their best games. It was still a bit of a surprise when 
Sacko crossed / shot and their keeper palmed it out across the floor to 
unmarked Wood who couldn't miss. Pandemonium.

I actually thought we would go and win it and moving in to pens I actually felt 
quite confident. I think Norwich had act silly run out of steam.

The pens were tense with Philips and Grimes ruining their good work and 
Sylvestre making himself a hero. 

Vierra's penalty considering his age was phenomenal and I love that lad.

This for me was by far the best performance of the season.

Sylvestre - 10. He was that good I'd consider starting with him on Saturday.

Coyle - 7. 

Beradi - 6

Bartley - 8

Cooper - 8

Mowatt - 4

Roofe - 7

Doukara - 9 Again, I'd consider him for a starting place alongside Wood.

Grimes - 6 his best game.

Vierra - 9 hero

Antosson - 6

Subs

Philips - 8

Wood - 9

Sacko - 7 he is unpredictable and has pace but his general play at times is 
shocking. Needs to improve this.

Monk - 10 proved me wrong. 

My final question would be about Norwich who also made 7 changes. Were they 
shit ?

Beat Burton and I think we're on a roll. 

MC and GM - great partnership.

> On 26 Oct 2016, at 00:49, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
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> Wow - this is what 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Rob Heath]

My fav was the 2nd.I've been waiting for ages for a keeper to
have the sense to just stand there once in a while and then save one of
these cocky little dinks down the middle.



On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Brendan Osborne <bosborn...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I stand corrected - it was the 2nd half after all! []
>
>
> Apparently Silvestri now holds the record for the only Leeds United keeper
> ever to save 3 in a penalty shootout!
>
>
>
>
> Ossie
>
>
> 
> From: Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> Sent: 26 October 2016 09:14
> To: 'Brendan Osborne'; 'Leeds List'; nat...@sky.com
> Subject: RE: [LU] Norwich
>
> Oi Brendan, if Dave says it was 2nd half equaliser - IT WAS A SECOND HALD
> EQUALISER| ;)
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> Brendan
> > Osborne
> > Sent: 26 October 2016 07:18
> > To: Leeds List; nat...@sky.com
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
> >
> > Thanks for a great report - just one crow to pluck with you. It was 1-1
> at half
> > time - we equalised in the 43rd minute. []
> >
> >
> >
> > Ossie
> >
> >
> > ____________
> > From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of
> > nat...@sky.com <nat...@sky.com>
> > Sent: 25 October 2016 23:49
> > To: Leeds List
> > Subject: [LU] Norwich
> >
> > Wow - this is what football is all about, not the greatest game but when
> > Vierra scored with that penalty - amazingThe fact that I had to pay £18
> in a
> > taxi home to more than offset the saving on the cheap ticket - who cares
> > ?fact that i had to share my train with both Craggy AND dick with a
> stick* -
> > who cares, even their nonsense could not wipe the smile off my face"We're
> > Leeds and we're proud of it", we all sang as the final whistle after
> extra time
> > sounded, and we meant it - this was a team and performance to be proud
> > ofThe ticket queues outside the ground showed how good an idea the cheap
> > tickets were, and all the open stands were full (fair play to Norwich
> who sold
> > 2k for this game - a great turn out)I was disappointed as i worked out
> the
> > team and realised that only Bartley was a genuine first teamer, with
> Roofe
> > and Vieira both playing recently due to injury and for much of the first
> half,
> > we looked to be a second string team, hastily thrown together (when will
> > managers realise Mowatt is NOT a winger and certainly not a RIGHT sided
> > one ?) as Norwich took the game to us and threatened to run away with it,
> > some desperate defending and some good saves from Silvestri saving us
> > from a hammering. Their goal when it came was well worked and well
> > deserved as they tore us apart and slotted homeWe did think we had
> > equalised but Bartley was booked for 'scoring' with his handSo 0 1 at
> half
> > time and a thrashing on the cards.
> > Second half we upped the tempo and got some fluidity going and got a real
> > foothold in the  game. It was no surprise when we equalised  Doukara
> doing
> > well and pulling the ball back to Antonsson who smashed home.We could
> > and should have won it but Mowatt could not get the right touch that
> would
> > have put it into an empty net, doukara also had a great header well
> saved.
> > We put on Sakho who caused them all sorts of problems and Wood who had
> > a stormer.Unfortunately we also brought on Philips which meant we had
> > used all 3 subs so when Coyle could not come out for extra time we were
> > down to ten men! (The FA cup is allowing 4 subs in this situation?)Our
> bottle
> > had gone and we approached extra time down to ten with the sole purpose
> > of hanging on for pens, but this went wrong as they beat our defence and
> > headed home (looked offside from my seat and Silvestri got booked for
> > arguing)At that point I was expecting 4 1 and was trying to work out if
> it was
> > worth leaving if they scored again to make sure I could get home.But this
> > current lot are made of sterner stuff and Sakho broke down the left and
> had
> > a shot that the keeper could only parry to the feet of the onrushing
> Chris
> > Wood who hit home ( a typical centre forward goal - brilliant stuff) and
> so to
> > pensThankfully taken at our end They scored and so did Wood, then they
> > missed and Roofe hit home - 2 1 with us with one in hand but Philips had
> his
> > saved an

Re: [LU] Norwich

[Brendan Osborne]

I stand corrected - it was the 2nd half after all! []


Apparently Silvestri now holds the record for the only Leeds United keeper ever 
to save 3 in a penalty shootout!




Ossie



From: Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
Sent: 26 October 2016 09:14
To: 'Brendan Osborne'; 'Leeds List'; nat...@sky.com
Subject: RE: [LU] Norwich

Oi Brendan, if Dave says it was 2nd half equaliser - IT WAS A SECOND HALD 
EQUALISER| ;)

ttfn

Richard



> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Brendan
> Osborne
> Sent: 26 October 2016 07:18
> To: Leeds List; nat...@sky.com
> Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
>
> Thanks for a great report - just one crow to pluck with you. It was 1-1 at 
> half
> time - we equalised in the 43rd minute. []
>
>
>
> Ossie
>
>
> 
> From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of
> nat...@sky.com <nat...@sky.com>
> Sent: 25 October 2016 23:49
> To: Leeds List
> Subject: [LU] Norwich
>
> Wow - this is what football is all about, not the greatest game but when
> Vierra scored with that penalty - amazingThe fact that I had to pay £18 in a
> taxi home to more than offset the saving on the cheap ticket - who cares
> ?fact that i had to share my train with both Craggy AND dick with a stick* -
> who cares, even their nonsense could not wipe the smile off my face"We're
> Leeds and we're proud of it", we all sang as the final whistle after extra 
> time
> sounded, and we meant it - this was a team and performance to be proud
> ofThe ticket queues outside the ground showed how good an idea the cheap
> tickets were, and all the open stands were full (fair play to Norwich who sold
> 2k for this game - a great turn out)I was disappointed as i worked out the
> team and realised that only Bartley was a genuine first teamer, with Roofe
> and Vieira both playing recently due to injury and for much of the first half,
> we looked to be a second string team, hastily thrown together (when will
> managers realise Mowatt is NOT a winger and certainly not a RIGHT sided
> one ?) as Norwich took the game to us and threatened to run away with it,
> some desperate defending and some good saves from Silvestri saving us
> from a hammering. Their goal when it came was well worked and well
> deserved as they tore us apart and slotted homeWe did think we had
> equalised but Bartley was booked for 'scoring' with his handSo 0 1 at half
> time and a thrashing on the cards.
> Second half we upped the tempo and got some fluidity going and got a real
> foothold in the  game. It was no surprise when we equalised  Doukara doing
> well and pulling the ball back to Antonsson who smashed home.We could
> and should have won it but Mowatt could not get the right touch that would
> have put it into an empty net, doukara also had a great header well saved.
> We put on Sakho who caused them all sorts of problems and Wood who had
> a stormer.Unfortunately we also brought on Philips which meant we had
> used all 3 subs so when Coyle could not come out for extra time we were
> down to ten men! (The FA cup is allowing 4 subs in this situation?)Our bottle
> had gone and we approached extra time down to ten with the sole purpose
> of hanging on for pens, but this went wrong as they beat our defence and
> headed home (looked offside from my seat and Silvestri got booked for
> arguing)At that point I was expecting 4 1 and was trying to work out if it was
> worth leaving if they scored again to make sure I could get home.But this
> current lot are made of sterner stuff and Sakho broke down the left and had
> a shot that the keeper could only parry to the feet of the onrushing Chris
> Wood who hit home ( a typical centre forward goal - brilliant stuff) and so to
> pensThankfully taken at our end They scored and so did Wood, then they
> missed and Roofe hit home - 2 1 with us with one in hand but Philips had his
> saved and then Grimes (poor throughout) approached his - we were still in
> the driving seat but as with most left footers at pens, it just did not look
> right and he blasted miles over. SO suddenly it was 2 2 and the momentum
> seemed to have shifted, but Silvestri saved and it was left to Ronaldo Vieira
> to step up and striker the winning penalty - pandemonium on the field and
> in the stands and a brilliant night came to a close All the irregular fans
> making their first (first for a while) appearance at ER went home happy and
> singing into the night Nights like this just make it all worthwhile - hoping 
> for
> a good draw tomorrow
> Dave* if you know them you know what i mean
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Richard Naef]

Oi Brendan, if Dave says it was 2nd half equaliser - IT WAS A SECOND HALD 
EQUALISER| ;)

ttfn

Richard



> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Brendan
> Osborne
> Sent: 26 October 2016 07:18
> To: Leeds List; nat...@sky.com
> Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich
> 
> Thanks for a great report - just one crow to pluck with you. It was 1-1 at 
> half
> time - we equalised in the 43rd minute. []
> 
> 
> 
> Ossie
> 
> 
> 
> From: Leedslist <leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of
> nat...@sky.com <nat...@sky.com>
> Sent: 25 October 2016 23:49
> To: Leeds List
> Subject: [LU] Norwich
> 
> Wow - this is what football is all about, not the greatest game but when
> Vierra scored with that penalty - amazingThe fact that I had to pay £18 in a
> taxi home to more than offset the saving on the cheap ticket - who cares
> ?fact that i had to share my train with both Craggy AND dick with a stick* -
> who cares, even their nonsense could not wipe the smile off my face"We're
> Leeds and we're proud of it", we all sang as the final whistle after extra 
> time
> sounded, and we meant it - this was a team and performance to be proud
> ofThe ticket queues outside the ground showed how good an idea the cheap
> tickets were, and all the open stands were full (fair play to Norwich who sold
> 2k for this game - a great turn out)I was disappointed as i worked out the
> team and realised that only Bartley was a genuine first teamer, with Roofe
> and Vieira both playing recently due to injury and for much of the first half,
> we looked to be a second string team, hastily thrown together (when will
> managers realise Mowatt is NOT a winger and certainly not a RIGHT sided
> one ?) as Norwich took the game to us and threatened to run away with it,
> some desperate defending and some good saves from Silvestri saving us
> from a hammering. Their goal when it came was well worked and well
> deserved as they tore us apart and slotted homeWe did think we had
> equalised but Bartley was booked for 'scoring' with his handSo 0 1 at half
> time and a thrashing on the cards.
> Second half we upped the tempo and got some fluidity going and got a real
> foothold in the  game. It was no surprise when we equalised  Doukara doing
> well and pulling the ball back to Antonsson who smashed home.We could
> and should have won it but Mowatt could not get the right touch that would
> have put it into an empty net, doukara also had a great header well saved.
> We put on Sakho who caused them all sorts of problems and Wood who had
> a stormer.Unfortunately we also brought on Philips which meant we had
> used all 3 subs so when Coyle could not come out for extra time we were
> down to ten men! (The FA cup is allowing 4 subs in this situation?)Our bottle
> had gone and we approached extra time down to ten with the sole purpose
> of hanging on for pens, but this went wrong as they beat our defence and
> headed home (looked offside from my seat and Silvestri got booked for
> arguing)At that point I was expecting 4 1 and was trying to work out if it was
> worth leaving if they scored again to make sure I could get home.But this
> current lot are made of sterner stuff and Sakho broke down the left and had
> a shot that the keeper could only parry to the feet of the onrushing Chris
> Wood who hit home ( a typical centre forward goal - brilliant stuff) and so to
> pensThankfully taken at our end They scored and so did Wood, then they
> missed and Roofe hit home - 2 1 with us with one in hand but Philips had his
> saved and then Grimes (poor throughout) approached his - we were still in
> the driving seat but as with most left footers at pens, it just did not look
> right and he blasted miles over. SO suddenly it was 2 2 and the momentum
> seemed to have shifted, but Silvestri saved and it was left to Ronaldo Vieira
> to step up and striker the winning penalty - pandemonium on the field and
> in the stands and a brilliant night came to a close All the irregular fans
> making their first (first for a while) appearance at ER went home happy and
> singing into the night Nights like this just make it all worthwhile - hoping 
> for
> a good draw tomorrow
> Dave* if you know them you know what i mean
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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Richard Naef]

> 
>On the train on the way home some Norwich fan who'd been in their end
>was laughing about Bartley's "goal" saying it was possibly the most
>outrageous handball he'd ever seen,

what a twat, or maybe too young  to remember Hand of God or the Hand of Henri? 

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