On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sahar Massachi sa...@brandeis.edu wrote:
For those of us who aren't hip to the latest developments in Psiphon or
circumvention - is there an easy primer as to how Psiphon works, and is
different from traditional VPN's?
The best I could find was this design
I just wanted to quickly add my strong support for the notion that
having a variety of tools is essential to this fight. Lantern's up and
running in Iran and China right now, for example, but that could
change at any moment, and users need alternatives. China dropped the
hammer on us on Dec 12th I
I thought I should chime in with some info about Psiphon's recent blockage
in Iran...
On February 14, we had about 840K Android + 620K Windows unique users (on
that day; the total for the preceding week was about 3m, as Collin said).
This is almost the high water mark for us.
On February 15, we
Adam Pritchard wrote:
I would advise against getting too comfortable/confident/hubristic...
One might not want to suggest that one is unblockable.
I like Tor a lot, but obviously nothing is unblockable. Iran's
targeting of Tor around the attempted revolution is but one data point
-- every
I would actually argue against that, at least with Iranian users, rely on
one particular tool. From what we have seen from our many communications
with users, they rely and use any number of tools they can get their hands
on and their choice is dependent on which one works better on a given day.
For those of us who aren't hip to the latest developments in Psiphon or
circumvention - is there an easy primer as to how Psiphon works, and is
different from traditional VPN's?
The best I could find was this design document:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Nathan of Guardian
nat...@guardianproject.info wrote:
That is the reason I promote Tor. It is 100% free, run by volunteers,
doesn't require a credit card or registered account, and has group of
Farsi-literate community support staff (like Nima) ready to help.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 03:41:09PM -0500, a.pritch...@psiphon.ca wrote 7.6K
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: So, yeah, Iran dropped the hammer on us.
Welcome to the club! ;)
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On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 04:18:17PM -0500, grif...@cryptolab.net wrote 1.3K
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: replacement. This feels like a user education issue. Users need to
: know that there are multiple options -- eg when Psiphon works but
: Lantern doesn't, or when Tor with a bridge doesn't
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Andrew Lewman liberationt...@lewman.uswrote:
Idle curiosity, what percent of Iranian Internet users use a proxy
(or don't go naked on the Internet)? 1%? 5%? 50%?
I tend to cite the Iranian chief of police's about 20 to 30 percent of
(Iranian internet) users
On 02/25/2014 04:42 PM, Fereidoon Bashar wrote:
Here is one example of an Iranian Android user's list of tools
https://twitter.com/2iitter/status/435499775971328001
That's an amazing tweet and image. Many thanks for sharing.
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On 02/25/2014 03:41 PM, Adam Pritchard wrote:
One
might not want to suggest that one is unblockable.
One does not simply suggest, that one is unblockable...
I was more referring to my own personal experience working within the
Tor community, and their human+organizational response to
Guys, we are talking about massive audience not activists or journalists!
I believe we should care more about massive audience not activists because
they can find someone to help them. For instance, they have lots of friends
outside the country to buy VPN or other commercial circumvention tools
On February 23, 2014 2:11:26 AM EST, Collin Anderson
col...@averysmallbird.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Nathan of Guardian
nat...@guardianproject.info wrote:
I just hope that the Tor is slow meme, along with
other famous ones like PGP is hard and No one cares about
privacy,
Right on the money, Nathan!
There was a time when the web browser was considered a thin-client
alternative to fat client-server apps. Unfortunately, not anymore! But
there's hope on the mobile web, with its proliferation of apps with better
bandwidth-aware features.
On the other hand, the Tor
On February 23, 2014 8:30:25 AM EST, Amin Sabeti aminsab...@gmail.com wrote:
Guys, we are talking about massive audience not activists or
journalists!
I believe we should care more about massive audience not activists
because
they can find someone to help them. For instance, they have lots of
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 01:30:25PM +, aminsab...@gmail.com wrote 6.9K bytes
in 0 lines about:
: don't care about NSA/ GCHQ surveillance.
:
: It would be better to think as a general user not someone who is activist
: and support freedom of expression.
There are entire communities of users
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 08:40:59AM -0600, alps6...@gmail.com wrote 10K bytes in
0 lines about:
: On the other hand, the Tor web site is a bit too much smoke and mirrors
: promoting it as a solution for the masses, when clearly it is not practical
: for that use. Maybe Bill Gates gave them a
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 02:11:26AM -0500, col...@averysmallbird.com wrote 3.4K
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: download started out reasonably fast, after a few seconds it seems probably
: that my connection was throttled down. Whereas without Tor, my throughput
: averaged 84.81 Kbps, with it is
Hi,
The important point that we must not forget is the first priority for users
in Iran is access. It means users would like to check their FB Twitter
accounts. Therefore, TOR is not feasible solution for them because they
have not high speed internet connection.
Cheers,
A
On 22 February
Amin,
Do Iranians ever attempt checking the mobile versions of these sites? In my
experience even in low bandwidth environments, if you are patient, the
mobile sites work much better.
Perhaps this is a combination of lack of awareness and lack of patience. I
understand Iranian youth and folks
Nariman,
None of the tools are safe, since the users in question are finding servers
and credentials through word of mouth and on public sites without
attribution for where their data is going. Even if the other side is not
malicious, I've seen a fair amount of those vendors require or encourage
Ok, I think I should explain more about this question and just Collin told
me the answered which I looking for that.
1st the reason I didn't add Tor to the list , because I knew that already
Tor is safe, BUT it isn't use widely in Iran, as Amin said, one of the
problem is Internet Speed.
Today I
On 22 February 2014 19:17, Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tv wrote:
Amin,
Do Iranians ever attempt checking the mobile versions of these sites? In
my experience even in low bandwidth environments, if you are patient, the
mobile sites work much better.
Unfortunately, TOR is famous as a
In-line
Amin,
Do Iranians ever attempt checking the mobile versions of these sites? In
my experience even in low bandwidth environments, if you are patient, the
mobile sites work much better.
Unfortunately, TOR is famous as a slow tool in Iran! I haven't checked
with users inside the
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tvwrote:
Sure, and for 25,000 users apparently Tor works at least some of the time.
We need to understand why tor(and other products) work for these
individuals why it doesn't work for others. This is the only way we can
Nariman Gharib:
Today I asked my friend who works at Manoto Tv which is a popular satellite
tv for Iranian based London, to they asked their audience on Facebook to
test Tor... here the result ( in persian you can use google translate )
Nariman, this tool looks potentially useful and include enough
configuration flexibility and obfuscation option.
http://www.vpngate.net/en/
23.02.2014 1:38, Nariman Gharib пишет:
Ok, I think I should explain more about this question and just Collin told
me the answered which I looking for
On February 22, 2014 2:38:09 PM EST, Nariman Gharib nariman...@gmail.com
wrote:
Today I asked my friend who works at Manoto Tv which is a popular
satellite
tv for Iranian based London, to they asked their audience on Facebook
to
test Tor... here the result ( in persian you can use google
Nathan, Thanks about that.
I just gave that link to users who didn't know how they can use the Orbot.
For the link I'll talk to you directly.
Cheers
Nariman
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:30 PM, Nathan of Guardian
nat...@guardianproject.info wrote:
On February 22, 2014
Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tv [2014-02-22 14:58:22]:
Right, but let's not waste our time on people who don't want to help
themselves or check for themselves and only believe rumors. Sure tor works
slowly, but as Nathan pointed out, we have hard evidence that Iranians are
using Tor:
Thanks Collin, my only point is that Tor *does work* inside Iran unless you
can dispute those numbers.
The only way we can build solutions is with hard evidence not anecdotes
about things being slow or as others have bandied about users being only
interested in speed or convenience.
Clearly Tor
Pranesh,
Solidarity and voluntary association are exactly about mutual agreements
between partners.
Aid is about disrespect of your partners believing they are weak and needy
or from the other side believing they are bleeding hearts whom you can take
advantage of.
I'm not talking about top down
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On 02/22/2014 07:36 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
A 2012/2013 study by Robinson + Yu (albeit done on a very small
sample) on Chinese Internet users showed that speed was amongst the
biggest complaints and was the second most important factor while
fteproxy might be worth looking at:
https://fteproxy.org/about
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Nariman Gharib nariman...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
My name is Nariman Gharib. I'm a researcher in Iran Tech and social media
based London.
I'm helping Iranian people to bypass the censorship by
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tvwrote:
My goal is not to help every citizen who wants to look at cat videos or
porn or share pictures of their lunch with their friends.
Lovely.
Amin and Nariman's goal seems to be making sure that Iranian public remains
Collin Anderson:
More politely to my friends Nima and Nathan, I am averse to the fact that
there is little willingness to engage in an 'if not Tor, then what else?'
conversation. In part because in my experience without an answer to
'not-Tor,' people tend to end up in Hotspot Shield or
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Nathan of Guardian
nat...@guardianproject.info wrote:
I just hope that the Tor is slow meme, along with
other famous ones like PGP is hard and No one cares about privacy,
are continued to be challenged, tested and not accepted as inevitable.
Certainly,
Nariman Gharib:
so if anybody can help me to tell me which these tools in below are safe it
would be great.
I've double checked that Tor works just fine in Iran. This is for both
vanilla (normal Tor Browser Bundle) and Pluggable Transports Bundle
(including but not limited to obfsproxy).
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On 02/21/2014 09:54 PM, Nima Fatemi wrote:
Nariman Gharib:
so if anybody can help me to tell me which these tools in below
are safe it would be great.
I've double checked that Tor works just fine in Iran. This is for
both vanilla (normal Tor
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