Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-30 Thread Nuno Brito
Note that the GPL is one of the least-understood licenses around, even by some of its supporters who make the most outrageous claims about linking. :-) From professional experience I see some non-GPL supporters top the charts in outrageous claims about GPL and linking. A particularly

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-29 Thread Philip Odence
@opensource.orgmailto:license-discuss@opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses? Hi Philip, Thanks for the Black Duck Top 20 list of open source licenses. Your list is the best around, so please don't take the following criticism too personally

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-29 Thread Lawrence Rosen
...@blackducksoftware.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:52 AM To: lro...@rosenlaw.com; license-discuss@opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses? snip ___ License-discuss mailing list

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-29 Thread Philip Odence
To: license-discuss@opensource.orgmailto:license-discuss@opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses? Philip Odence suggested: Hey maybe “well-understood” is a good alternative to “standard. Note that the GPL is one of the least

[License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Leon Rozenblit
ᐧ On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 7:37 PM, lro...@rosenlaw.com lro...@rosenlaw.com wrote: Standard is a loaded term. Licenses are not standards and OSI is not a standards organization. Larry Louis: Consider flipping the FAQ subject to say: Why shouldn't I cook-up your own home-made license? I think

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
) 3001 King Ranch Road, Ukiah, CA 95482 Cell: 707-478-8932 Fax: 707-485-1243 From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:44 PM To: license-discuss@opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Lawrence Rosen wrote: Simon Phipps wrote: Mind you, OSI has described itself as a standards body for open source licenses for a long time, see http://opensource.org/about (I believe that text used to be on the home page). Perhaps, but that term has thus been misused. There is

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com wrote: I'm not quarreling with OSI's attempt to get everyone to use approved licenses Larry hit on my suggestion. Anywhere the word standard is used, some variant of approved or OSI-approved is a reasonable replacement.

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
for software. /Larry -Original Message- From: Miles Fidelman [mailto:mfidel...@meetinghouse.net] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 8:40 AM To: license-discuss@opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses? Lawrence Rosen wrote: Simon

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Fontana
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:42:51 -0400 Ben Cotton bcot...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com wrote: I'm not quarreling with OSI's attempt to get everyone to use approved licenses Larry hit on my suggestion. Anywhere the word standard

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread John Cowan
Lawrence Rosen scripsit: Mind you, OSI has described itself as a standards body for open source licenses for a long time, see http://opensource.org/about (I believe that text used to be on the home page). Perhaps, but that term has thus been misused. There is absolutely nothing about

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
Lawrence Rosen wrote: Miles and others, Can you correlate what OSI does with what is described at http://opensource.org/osr-intro? Personally, I think it's up to OSI to make the case for what they do, and the extent that they are or are not a standards body. As far as I can tell, their

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
...@rosenlaw.com; license-discuss@opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses? Lawrence Rosen scripsit: Mind you, OSI has described itself as a standards body for open source licenses for a long time, see http://opensource.org

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Bruno F. Souza
Sidestepping the whole discussion around standard's bodies and other meanings of standard, when I read Luis' FAQ entry, the use of the term standard is really confusing... Specially since the Wiki page does not seem to imply any of the things being discussed in this thread... The entry seems

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Fontana
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:03:20 -0300 Bruno F. Souza br...@javaman.com.br wrote: Sidestepping the whole discussion around standard's bodies and other meanings of standard, when I read Luis' FAQ entry, the use of the term standard is really confusing... I think so too now, in light of this thread

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Ben Tilly
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com wrote: John, once again you state the obvious to support an invalid argument: By the same token, the GPL is a standard open-source license and the Motosoto Open Source License is not, though both are equally OSI certified. Do

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Fontana
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:31:06 -0700 Ben Tilly bti...@gmail.com wrote: Suggested solution, can we use the word common instead of standard? And our definition of common should be something relatively objective, like the top X licenses in use on github, minus licenses (like the GPL v2) whose

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread John Cowan
Richard Fontana scripsit: You'd exclude the most commonly-used FLOSS license from common? Well, the most common license is probably GPLV2+, not GPLV2-only. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowanco...@ccil.org All Norstrilians knew that humor was pleasurable corrigible

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Ben Tilly
Apparently so. Because if you agree with the goals of the GPL, you should probably be using GPL v3+ rather than GPL v2+. On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Richard Fontana font...@sharpeleven.org wrote: On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:31:06 -0700 Ben Tilly bti...@gmail.com wrote: Suggested solution,

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Philip Odence
In case it helps, Black Duck publishes a top licenses list based on the number of projects in our KnowledgeBase (out of a current total of about a million) that utilize each respective license. http://www.blackducksoftware.com/resources/data/top-20-open-source-licenses The webpage only shows the

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
: Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses? In case it helps, Black Duck publishes a top licenses list based on the number of projects in our KnowledgeBase (out of a current total of about a million) that utilize each respective license. http

[License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-27 Thread Luis Villa
Hi, all- A few of us were talking and realized the FAQ/website have nothing to explain why *using standard licenses* is a good idea. This being a sort of basic point, I started remedying the problem :) Draft FAQ entry addressing the question is here:

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-27 Thread lro...@rosenlaw.com
: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses? Hi, all- A few of us were talking and realized the FAQ/website have nothing to explain why *using standard licenses* is a good idea. This being a sort of basic point, I started remedying the problem :) Draft

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-27 Thread Simon Phipps
Villa Date:04/27/2014 6:11 PM (GMT-08:00) To: License Discuss Subject: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses? Hi, all- A few of us were talking and realized the FAQ/website have nothing to explain why *using standard licenses* is a good idea

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-27 Thread Lawrence Rosen
How about OSI Approved license? That's what you do. Larry Sent from my tablet and thus brief Simon Phipps webm...@opensource.org wrote: ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org

Re: [License-discuss] FAQ entry (and potential website page?) on why standard licenses?

2014-04-27 Thread Simon Phipps
(and potential website page?) on why standard licenses? Hi, all- A few of us were talking and realized the FAQ/website have nothing to explain why *using standard licenses* is a good idea. This being a sort of basic point, I started remedying the problem :) Draft FAQ entry addressing the question