Hi,
I really like what you did too, but I share the worries I read in this
thread as well. I've tried the dutch translation and it is clear that is
auto-translated. My main language is Dutch I find it almost unreadable in
Dutch.
My main issue with the current lilypond website is that it is not
On 11/29/2016 01:19 PM, Karlin High wrote:
On 11/29/2016 11:41 AM, Paul wrote:
The recently revamped Guile website now uses Haunt:
https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/
Really!
Yes:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2016-11/msg6.html
and also the GNU GUIX website:
On 11/29/2016 1:30 PM, Paul wrote:
> On 11/29/2016 01:19 PM, Karlin High wrote:
>
>> On 11/29/2016 11:41 AM, Paul wrote:
>>> The recently revamped Guile website now uses Haunt:
>>> https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/
>> Really!
>
> Yes:
>
2016-11-27 19:11 GMT+01:00 Garrett Fitzgerald :
> As far as I can tell, short of writing tagged sections, there's no way to
> easily unfold only percents, while leaving voltas intact. Would this be a
> desirable behavior for Lilypond to have?
>
> My particular use case is
I am trying to build the lilypond docs now. As for content, all of the text
on the demo site is copy and pasted straight from lilypond.org. The only
new text I wrote was the text on the front page that said "Many choose
LilyPond. will you?"
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Noeck
2016-11-29 23:46 GMT+01:00 Garrett Fitzgerald :
> I'll try that out. Thanks! Should I have been able to find this somewhere,
> or did you just code it? I obviously need to learn Scheme sometime
I just coded it, but based on the existing code for unfold-repeats,
Hi John,
> I am trying to build the lilypond docs now.
I am happy to see you working through it
> As for content, all of the text on the
> demo site is copy and pasted straight from lilypond.org. The only
> new text I wrote was the text on the front page that said "Many choose
> LilyPond. will
On 11/29/2016 4:42 PM, John Roper wrote:
> I am trying to build the lilypond docs now.
Very good! Chances of the new website project being accepted seem much
higher if you can figure out how that works, and not greatly upset the
existing workflow for maintaining documentation and translations.
Not at my computer right now, but when I went to run make website in the
Documentation folder, I got an error that said there was not target to make
omp something.
On Nov 29, 2016 3:44 PM, "Karlin High" wrote:
> On 11/29/2016 10:22 AM, David Kastrup wrote:
>
> And, maybe
On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 17:20:51 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote:
> David Wright writes:
>
> > On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 16:10:00 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote:
> >> David Wright writes:
> >>
> >> > On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 09:37:21 (+0100), David
On 11/29/2016 03:47 PM, John Roper wrote:
Not at my computer right now, but when I went to run make website in
the Documentation folder, I got an error that said there was not
target to make omp something.
Hi John, You need to be in the 'lilypond-git/build' directory (aka:
> and LilyPond can’t even handle multiple columns on one page, so you’d
I may have a wrong perception as to what you mean by "multiple columns".
For my own uses I regularly create scores (and texts) that span multiple columns
and are aligned like a table.
There actually are several ways to do
On 11/29/2016 10:22 AM, David Kastrup wrote:
And, maybe wait for further suggestions from someone with actual
experience in this area.
The problem is that John may wait a long time then since a lot of stuff
these days is maintained on autopilot by people with confined knowledge
about the code
On 29.11.2016 13:02, tapani wrote:
I am producing a hymnal, using Lilypond and lilypond-book with xelatex. I
would like to insert biblical references in the margin of the page, parallel
with the lyrics.
For example, in "Hark, the Herald Angels Sing", the lyrics "Ris'n with
healing in his wings"
Have a look at
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/contributor/compiling-with-lilydev
and run make website from your build directory.
--
Phil Holmes
- Original Message -
From: John Roper
To: Karlin High
Cc: David Kastrup ; LilyPond-User list
Sent: Tuesday,
Dear John,
tl;dr: I like it. Most of the following is said already.
welcome to this list and LilyPond! There are so many mails in this
thread now. Therefore I try to keep it short.
- This discussion comes up about once a year (-> archives)
- I think I started one of those, so I am in favour
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:38:32 +0100 (CET), Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> As David K. pointed out,
> it must be viewable and navigatable by blind people.
As I wrote, there are some aspects that need to be solved. I just do not
reject a potential valuable approach beforehand.
>
Hello John,
Firstly, welcome to the lilypond community.
Since you asked for comments, I feel compelled to reply. While what you have
done is fine, I admit to being very surprised that you have made some
considerable effort off your own bar without, as far as I know, any
communication or
OK. This was an idea that I had that I thought I'd share with you. My
overall plan was that the website looks old and could use a redesign. I did
it in WordPress because that is what I thought would be easiest for you,
especially for things like the news and blog. Technically we could get a
site
Hello Johan,
Last time I looked lilypond was part of the GNU project and it is open
source software. It does not therefore participate or compete in commercial
markets and it is not intended to. So you make a point that is difficult to
understand.
If however you are discussing expanding the
>> As David K. pointed out, it must be viewable and navigatable by
>> blind people.
>
> As I wrote, there are some aspects that need to be solved. I just
> do not reject a potential valuable approach beforehand.
Nobody does that. You are inferring this.
>> Additionally, it must be possible
I an trying to typeset a score with two different rehearsal mark sequences. The
snippet below gives interesting results! Not only the error messages:
D:/Peter/Music/Lilypond/Bugs/Fingering font.ly:9:22: warning: Two simultaneous
mark events, junking this one
c1| \mark #20
John Roper writes:
> I have thought about the no scripts idea, and I belive that right now,
> there are not many websites that do not use javascript for some
> functionality.
We have several blind users reading and writing on this mailing list
alone. Text browsers tend
Il giorno mar 29 nov 2016 alle 11:01, Johan Vromans
ha scritto:
Additionally, it
must be possible to build the documentation of lilypond with `make
doc'.
As discussed, this can be solved by separating the site and the
documentation.
Sure. It seems weird that this
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:45:12 +0100, Urs Liska wrote:
> Additionally there has been *very strict* opposition to anything other
> than statically served sites for lilypond.org in the past. Not all of
> the reasons are bullet-proof but most are, and you will not get consent
>
> Last time I looked lilypond was part of the GNU project and it is open
> source software. It does not therefore participate or compete in commercial
> markets and it is not intended to. So you make a point that is difficult to
> understand.
I don't think the GNU project has any rules about
Johan Vromans writes:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:38:32 +0100 (CET), Werner LEMBERG wrote:
>
>> As David K. pointed out,
>> it must be viewable and navigatable by blind people.
>
> As I wrote, there are some aspects that need to be solved. I just do not
> reject
Am 29.11.2016 um 11:25 schrieb Federico Bruni:
> What John did can be easily done with a static site generator, which
> would have many more chances to get accepted by LilyPond developers.
One point that hasn't been raised in *this* thread is that using any CMS
on the donated web space we have
David Wright writes:
> On Mon 28 Nov 2016 at 21:26:17 (+), Karlin High wrote:
>> On 11/28/2016 2:12 PM, David Wright wrote:
>> > So it should be worth booting from a live linux CD to mount the
>> > partitions to check their contents, and to reinstall Grub
>> > (or
>> Additionally there has been *very strict* opposition to anything
>> other than statically served sites for lilypond.org in the past.
>> Not all of the reasons are bullet-proof but most are, and you will
>> not get consent for anything else.
>
> If the web site must be cast in stone, then
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
We then would need someone who is doing the job to set this up and
convert the old stuff to the new one. However, this isn't a trivial
task and it probably takes a long time to get it right, so we need
someone who has a lot of endurance and
Hi John,
having read through a whole night of posts on this topic I'd be thankful if you
could always reply inline (and possibly delete content you're not referring
to). It's very hard to see what you are replying to right now.
Thanks
Urs
PS: I'm happy to see the direction of this
Also, the nice thing about this new design is that it is fully responsive.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Chris Yate wrote:
> On 30 Nov 2016 01:00, "Tim McNamara" wrote:
> >
> >
>
> > The cosmetic appearance of the web site is most certainly an
Having now looked at it, though only on my phone, I quite like it. But I
did have to scroll scroll scroll to read what would be about one page of
content.
What I saw was a very "sexy" marketing site for Lilypond, and I think it
does it justice.
However, as someone already sold on the tool, all I
My goal for this new version is just to give the existing site a pick-me-up
but keep it with the same layout so that all the same perks apply.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> > On Nov 29, 2016, at 3:57 AM, Andrew Bernard
The demo homepage on the site is fully working. All links are correct
(except the navbar).
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:50 PM, John Roper wrote:
> I just checked the website using lynx, and it renders perfectly in a
> text-based browser as well!
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 3:57 AM, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> If however you are discussing expanding the mindshare of lilypond in the
> music publishing world, then I hardly think the cosmetic appearance of a
> website is the most influential factor. That's a very shallow
The issues are all fixed. This is my proposal.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:32 PM, John Roper wrote:
> Also, the nice thing about this new design is that it is fully responsive.
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:09 PM, Chris Yate wrote:
>
>> On 30 Nov 2016
Hello All,
Since the website has suddenly come up again as a topic, while I disagree with
a lot of the talk here, allow me for once to say something positive. Concerning
the documentation on the website, this has always been a good idea because it
is indexed by search engines – I often find it
I just checked the website using lynx, and it renders perfectly in a
text-based browser as well!
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:43 PM, John Roper wrote:
> The issues are all fixed. This is my proposal.
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:32 PM, John Roper
>
Read the docs is based on sphinx which is python's documentation generator (
http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/1.4.9/). As for website design, the layout
design is fine with me as long as it has new styling like I have done (not
that I am saying that mine should be chosen). I am going to work on
jmroper.com/lilypond
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:58 PM, John Roper wrote:
> Ok, I have updated the website. There is a little problem with the sidebar
> pushing the other content down, but that is fine. My goal was to recreate
> the current website using just html and css
Ok, I have updated the website. There is a little problem with the sidebar
pushing the other content down, but that is fine. My goal was to recreate
the current website using just html and css with a nicer look. It does not
require any js at all. This is just a sample so almost none of the links
On 30 Nov 2016 01:00, "Tim McNamara" wrote:
>
>
> The cosmetic appearance of the web site is most certainly an influential
factor in expanding the "mindshare" of Lilypond.
Completely agree.
> Take me- I am a musician. I know nothing useful about C and it's
variants,
I also tested in WebbIE 4 and the site looked fine.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:23 PM, John Roper wrote:
> The demo homepage on the site is fully working. All links are correct
> (except the navbar).
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:50 PM, John Roper
John Roper writes:
> OK. This was an idea that I had that I thought I'd share with you. My
> overall plan was that the website looks old and could use a
> redesign. I did it in WordPress because that is what I thought would
> be easiest for you, especially for things like
I am producing a hymnal, using Lilypond and lilypond-book with xelatex. I
would like to insert biblical references in the margin of the page, parallel
with the lyrics.
For example, in "Hark, the Herald Angels Sing", the lyrics "Ris'n with
healing in his wings" would have "Mal. 4:2" in the margin.
Yea, where could the templates for the website now be found? I could do
style updates. I wouldn't look as good as the WordPress but it can be
better.
On Nov 29, 2016 7:06 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote:
> "Andrew Bernard" writes:
>
> > Hello John,
> >
> >
> >
Hi!
2016-11-29 14:43 GMT+01:00 Mojca Miklavec :
> I'm experiencing a weird behaviour with the note head of g being
> shifted to the left when I add
> #(layout-set-staff-size 16.3)
See thread starting here:
John Roper wrote:
> My overall plan was that the website looks old and could use a redesign
> (...) Technically we could get a site that looks like this on almost any
> static site generator.
>
Or provide the templates to be used with the current process. Is that a
Phil,
Thanks. That's pretty good. Having them in boxes would be nice but not
necessary. I'll stick with what you've given me.
Best regards,
Peter
mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com
www.ptoye.com
-
Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 11:38:55 AM, you wrote:
Not sure if this is what
I see a number of things on the current website that could be fixed even in
its current form. For one, the items on the news page are all mixed up and
jumbled together.
On Nov 29, 2016 7:23 AM, "John Roper" wrote:
> A great example of an open source project's website is
Joram:
> even though that was not the OP's intention to get a collection of
> beautiful LilyPond scores, I'd like to express that I am impressed by
> all the engravers' work. You produced really nice scores. And thanks for
> sharing them with this list. I remember the Requiem by Karl, but in
>
On 29 Nov 2016 13:40, "Karlin High" wrote:
>
> On 11/28/2016 12:22 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
> > I thought the Windows EULA protested against being subjected to a VM?
>
> Buy a Windows full-version retail license for the virtual machine and
> you should be good to go.
>
>
Re: Is there any way of getting multiple rehearsal marks?Try following the
links I gave. It shows how to do markup in boxes.
--
Phil Holmes
- Original Message -
From: Peter Toye
To: Phil Holmes ; lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:11 PM
Subject: Re:
John Roper wrote:
> A great example of an open source project's website is blender.org. It
> has an excellent design and it gives you all the information you need to
> know. The old version of their website can be found on archive.blender.org
>
Nice new layout too. And
Hi,
I'm experiencing a weird behaviour with the note head of g being
shifted to the left when I add
#(layout-set-staff-size 16.3)
The source code is below and the image is in attachment.
I tried some using other numeric values, but none of those I tried
leads to the same problem.
Without
Is there any way of getting multiple rehearsal marks?Not sure if this is what
you want, but is a simple way:
\relative c'' {
c1 |
c \mark \markup \center-column { "A" " " "B" } |
c
}
See
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=735
and
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=736
--
Phil Holmes
"Andrew Bernard" writes:
> Hello John,
>
>
>
> Firstly, welcome to the lilypond community.
>
>
>
> Since you asked for comments, I feel compelled to reply. While what
> you have done is fine, I admit to being very surprised that you have
> made some considerable
I am new here, but I leave my 2 cents nonetheless.
I really like the site that John built, and I agree with his approach. If
he asked what the community felt about building a new website, he maybe
wouldn't get to build it. And he is just asking for opinions ;-)
As for accessibility, I believe it
Phil,
Thanks - worked it out!
Best regards,
Peter
mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com
www.ptoye.com
-
Tuesday, November 29, 2016, 12:17:25 PM, you wrote:
Try following the links I gave. It shows how to do markup in boxes.
--
Phil Holmes
- Original Message -
From:
A great example of an open source project's website is blender.org. It has
an excellent design and it gives you all the information you need to know.
The old version of their website can be found on archive.blender.org
On Nov 29, 2016 7:15 AM, "Thiago Censi" wrote:
> I am new
Hi John,
welcome to the pond.
My first impression of your site is positive. I like the optical appearance.
However I share many concerns that already have been voiced:
- I usually surf w/o any scripting allowed. Thus I see nothing at all.
- After allowing scripts from your domain stuff starts
On 11/28/2016 12:22 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
> I thought the Windows EULA protested against being subjected to a VM?
Buy a Windows full-version retail license for the virtual machine and
you should be good to go.
Windows 10 EULA (2)(d)(iv):
*Use in a virtualized environment.* This license
On 29 Nov 2016 01:33, "John Roper" wrote:
>
> I have thought about the no scripts idea, and I belive that right now,
there are not many websites that do not use javascript for some
functionality. Wordpress it's self is almost entirely built upon javascript
and php and it
Cheers,
(Cross-posting from bug-lilypond to avoid flooding of the bug list with
discussion about general website design; especially the last paragraph
might or not might not be interesting for the current discussion.)
On 2016-11-29 15:29, Erik Ronström wrote:
[...] While the old site may
On 11/29/2016 4:47 AM, Urs Liska wrote:
> But I would much more like to see it created by a static site generator, in a
> system where the content can be managed as a Git repository.
I did a Google serach for "texinfo website generator." Here's one that
reminds me of the LilyPond way of doing
David Wright writes:
> On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 09:37:21 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote:
>>
>> My father is living away several hours and is not technically savvy.
>> The system boots into some sort of maintenance mode, so making a disk
>> image via dd via phone
Hello,
We use lilypond 2.18.2
in makam.ly there is KOMA SHARP (1/9 . "accidentals.sharp.slashslash.stem")
We wright "fc" for F-koma-sharp. If there is F-naturel before F-koma-sharp,
we haven't any probleme. Double slash and one stem.
But, if there is F-Sharp before F-koma-sharp, we have a
Hi,
While the new site may give a ”nicer” or more ”friendly” impression (depending
on taste), I actually found it much harder to use, especially on a laptop
screen where vertical space is limited: scrolling is needed for almost every
action. While the old site may not be the most beautiful
On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 09:37:21 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote:
> David Wright writes:
>
> > On Mon 28 Nov 2016 at 21:26:17 (+), Karlin High wrote:
> >> On 11/28/2016 2:12 PM, David Wright wrote:
> >> > So it should be worth booting from a live linux CD to mount the
>
- Original Message -
From: "Alexander Kobel"
To: "lilypond-user"
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:01 PM
Subject: Re; New LilyPond website
Cheers,
(Cross-posting from bug-lilypond to avoid flooding of the bug list with
discussion about
Tim McNamara writes:
>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 3:57 AM, Andrew Bernard wrote:
>
>> If however you are discussing expanding the mindshare of lilypond in the
>> music publishing world, then I hardly think the cosmetic appearance of a
>> website is the
> jmroper.com/lilypond
Nice!
Werner
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lilypond-user@gnu.org
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 16:10:00 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote:
> David Wright writes:
>
> > On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 09:37:21 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote:
> >>
> >> My father is living away several hours and is not technically savvy.
> >> The system boots into some sort
On 11/29/2016 6:13 AM, John Roper wrote:
>
> Yea, where could the templates for the website now be found? I could
> do style updates. I wouldn't look as good as the WordPress but it can
> be better.
>
Possible starting points:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/contributor/website-work
Another issue: If there's any need to revert the computer to the prior
version of Windows, there is limited time to do this. In the upgrade,
Windows makes a backup of the prior version that eventually gets wiped out.
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/rollback-windows-10-after-30-days
With a drive
(Bcc'ing bug-lilypond now. What a useful feature! ;-))
On 2016-11-29 16:18, Phil Holmes wrote:
[...] In fact, I tend to be confused about the different layout and
sectioning of the manual pages for stable and unstable. Now suddenly I
wonder whether in the long run it would be a good idea to
Karlin High writes:
> On 11/29/2016 6:13 AM, John Roper wrote:
>>
>> Yea, where could the templates for the website now be found? I could
>> do style updates. I wouldn't look as good as the WordPress but it can
>> be better.
>>
>
> Possible starting points:
>
On 11/29/2016 02:39 AM, David Kastrup wrote:
We have several blind users reading and writing on this mailing list
alone. Text browsers tend to do a rather bad job at getting scripted
pages rendered in a useful manner.
This is no longer true. Current accessibility guidelines assume
It was exciting to see such an ambitious model proposed for the
website, however in addition to previous issues raised about
accessibility etc. I would like to give you my initial impression. You
may take my commentary as you see fit.
I am the sort of fellow that when looking in the beer aisle
On 11/29/2016 11:07 AM, Graham Percival wrote:
> Speaking as somebody with actual experience in this area (namely,
> the person who created the current website): start off by
> modifying the CSS file.
There's even a way to do drop-down menus with nothing but CSS.
https://www.grc.com/menudemo.htm
David Wright writes:
> On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 16:10:00 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote:
>> David Wright writes:
>>
>> > On Tue 29 Nov 2016 at 09:37:21 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My father is living away several hours and is not
On 11/29/2016 11:47 AM, Karlin High wrote:
You're not alone in this. Here's Basecamp's Jason Fried writing in Inc.
magazine. To me, it seems like an echo of LilyPond's text-centric design
philosophy.
"I've always found it interesting that some of the most popular sites on
the Web--Amazon,
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 08:33:25PM -0500, John Roper wrote:
>I have thought about the no scripts idea, and I belive that right now,
>there are not many websites that do not use javascript for some
>functionality. Wordpress it's self is almost entirely built upon
>javascript and php
On 11/29/2016 11:41 AM, Paul wrote:
> On 11/29/2016 10:08 AM, Karlin High wrote:
>> On 11/29/2016 4:47 AM, Urs Liska wrote:
>>> But I would much more like to see it created by a static site
>>> generator, in a system where the content can be managed as a Git
>>> repository.
>> I did a Google
> In fact, I tend to be confused about the different layout and sectioning of
> the manual pages for stable and unstable. Now suddenly I wonder whether in
> the long run it would be a good idea to have an identical structure for
> downloads, manuals, regtests etc. for stable and unstable, but
On 11/29/2016 10:35 AM, Shane Brandes wrote:
> I tend to notice first because they have words and not fancy paintings, and
> therefore immediately understandable information.
You're not alone in this. Here's Basecamp's Jason Fried writing in Inc.
magazine. To me, it seems like an echo of
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 05:22:25PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
> Karlin High writes:
>
> > On 11/29/2016 6:13 AM, John Roper wrote:
> >>
> >> Yea, where could the templates for the website now be found? I could
> >> do style updates. I wouldn't look as good as the WordPress
On 11/29/2016 11:07 AM, Graham Percival wrote:
> Speaking as somebody with actual experience in this area (namely, the
> person who created the current website): start off by modifying the
> CSS file.
> Again, I haven't seen his site, but 90% of the kinds of changes
> that people propose for the
Il giorno mar 29 nov 2016 alle 13:27, John Roper
ha scritto:
I see a number of things on the current website that could be fixed
even in its current form. For one, the items on the news page are all
mixed up and jumbled together.
John, if you want to start
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 05:27:03PM +, Karlin High wrote:
> On 11/29/2016 11:07 AM, Graham Percival wrote:
> > Speaking as somebody with actual experience in this area (namely, the
> > person who created the current website): start off by modifying the
> > CSS file.
>
> Would those be the
On 11/29/2016 10:08 AM, Karlin High wrote:
On 11/29/2016 4:47 AM, Urs Liska wrote:
But I would much more like to see it created by a static site generator, in a
system where the content can be managed as a Git repository.
I did a Google serach for "texinfo website generator." Here's one that
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