but TSM tape
handling on Linux is so awful and idiosyncratic (not to mention the idiotic
fact that TSM for Linux cannot use channel-attached tape) that the price of
the extra CPU is probably worth it.
I respectfully disagree. I found FCP-based LTO libraries better behaved than
our old 3494.
On 1/2/09 7:37 AM, Harder, Pieter pieter.har...@brabantwater.nl wrote:
but TSM tape
handling on Linux is so awful and idiosyncratic (not to mention the idiotic
fact that TSM for Linux cannot use channel-attached tape) that the price of
the extra CPU is probably worth it.
I respectfully
asap.
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David
Boyes
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:31 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Backup Restore recommendations
On 1/2/09 7:37 AM, Harder, Pieter pieter.har...@brabantwater.nl wrote
I respectfully disagree. I found FCP-based LTO libraries better behaved than
our old 3494. And before you ask, I do come from WDSF (aka ADSM V1) and ADSM
V2 and originally bought the 3494 with 3590 for the purpose. The price of the
extra CPU (and licenses) on z/OS will probably outweigh what
On 1/2/09 11:50 AM, Harder, Pieter pieter.har...@brabantwater.nl wrote:
The cost of creating a new set of operational procedures, having your tape
librarians deal with an additional (and incompatible) set of tape
technology,
No tape librarians involved. The TSM admin puts new volumes into the
On 12/31/08 3:16 PM, Melancon, Ruddy melanc...@dot.state.al.us wrote:
We are using minidisks for the Linux images.
Good.
1. What is the best way to initialize and format volumes to be used for VM
and Linux minidisks.
ICKDSF CPVOL FORMAT is the recommended (and reliable) way to do it.
We currently have a VM/Linux LPAR configured for a Proof of Concept [POC]. Our
other LPARs are zOS.
We plan on using the Linux images to host some Oracle DBs. There are currently
no tape drives online to the VM LPAR.
During the install of VM and Linux we used a number of methods to initialize
From this I am questioning how we got here and what is the 'best' way to
operate in the future.
1. What is the best way to initialize and format volumes to be used for VM
and Linux minidisks.
1a. VM volumes: use ICKDSF, either from VM native or zOS.
1b. doesn't really matter as long as
AND
There was a discussion over the past few months about the defaults in SLES10
for disk. by-id is the default and it is VERY hardware dependant. i.e. it
won't work in a disaster recovery site. You need to specify by-path in the
fstab when you define you drives to linux. You can fix this
Since you are running MVS on your box, you can always (assuming you are sharing
DASD) take your volume-level backups on the MVS side, which is what we do so
far. To add to the fun, if your DASD has snapshot capability, you can get
minimal guest downtime by:
1) Shut down a guest.
2) Snap its
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Subject: Re: Backup Restore
Since you are running MVS on your box, you can always (assuming you are
sharing DASD) take your volume-level backups on the MVS side, which is
what we do so far. To add to the fun, if your DASD has snapshot
capability, you can get minimal guest
basic..but it works.
Jon Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Since you are running MVS on your box, you can
I'm trying to gather my options for backing up z/VM 5.2 SLES 9 10
guests to an IBM TotalStorage VTS. So far I've been able to deduce that
DFSMS/VM is required, though I'm still unclear as to whether or not it's
included with z/VM 5.2. There seem to be quite a selection of commercial
products
DFSMS/VM is not required. It is a chargeable option on VM. I use DDR that comes
with VM to do
backups and restores. Many people consider DDR hard to use. That is why there
are so many commercial
products available. But you don't need them, if you are willing to learn DDR
and accept its
On Wednesday, 03/28/2007 at 04:57 EST, Stephen Frazier
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DFSMS/VM is not required. It is a chargeable option on VM.
Nah. DFSMS/VM FL221 is a non-chargable feature of z/VM in the SDO.
Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott
28, 2007 14:57
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Backup Restore
DFSMS/VM is not required. It is a chargeable option on VM. I use DDR
that comes with VM to do
backups and restores. Many people consider DDR hard to use. That is why
there are so many commercial
products available. But you
OK. I was chargeable at one time. So many of those have become non-chargeable
over the years it is
had to keep track of them.
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On Wednesday, 03/28/2007 at 04:57 EST, Stephen Frazier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DFSMS/VM is not required. It is a chargeable option on VM.
This question could be asked on the VM list and you may get better answers. :)
Or maybe just different answers. :)
As I recall there have been some discussions about alternative ways to control
a VTS there.
Dennis.L.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The RMS component of DFSMS/VM is required to issue
Are you looking for Disaster Recovery backups of z/VM and Linux DASD? Or are
you looking for file level backup/restore for these systems?
For DR purposes, DDR or other programs can dump/restore all of your DASD to VTS
tapes. Mounting the VTS tapes requires DFSMS/RM and is enhanced by tape
@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Backup Restore
Are you looking for Disaster Recovery backups of z/VM and Linux DASD? Or
are
you looking for file level backup/restore for these systems?
For DR purposes, DDR or other programs can dump/restore all of your DASD
to VTS
tapes. Mounting the VTS tapes requires
DFSMS/VM hasn't been a chargeable product since almost before dirt was
new, well at least since the early days of VM/ESA.
You do need to check a box to indicate inclusion of DFSMS/VM with your
z/VM order.
If you are going to do anything with an ATL (VTS or non-VTS) on VM
you need the RMS
On Mar 28, 2007, at 6:30 PM, Thomas Kern wrote:
You still need DFSMS/RM and an interface program from Sine
Nomine (http://www.sinenomine.net).
Not to undercut ourselves, but depending on your requirements, you
could also run DFSMS to manage your HSM and present it to Linux as
NFS-shared space,
We are preparing to move our TSM server off z/OS. We would
not be doing
this if we just needed to pay for more standard engine
processors to keep
TSM where it is. Most of the non-IBM software products we
have running under
z/OS have license charges based on the total processor
capacity
If you already are paying for TSM on z/OS and can afford to buy another
standard engine processor every so often as the CPU requirement
increases, then you already have your answer. It's got the bells and
whistles you want, and silo integration via your standard tape
management system on
On Friday, 09/03/2004 at 03:48 AST, Thomas Denier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As other people have noted, TSM under Linux will meet the stated
requirements. It will work with a 3494 ATL. However, it will not
work with tape drives inherited from a z/OS system; the Linux
TSM server only supports
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miguel Román
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Backup/Restore program
Hello,
I am interested to find a good backup/restore program that creates
IBM standard labels on Linux. I am running SLES 8.0 under z/VM 4.3.0. Does
anybody has
).
However, our backup/restore product uses our own label format
as David wrote.
Out of curiosity, why is that? The ANSI tape label spec has been around
for ages -- wouldn't it be easier to use ANSI labels, which other
systems (even z/OS) can actually handle meaningfully?
-- db
but
understand that does not talk to the ATL (please correct me if I'm wrong)
If at all possible I'd really like what some of you would do (if money was
not a concern) and you needed to be able to.
Backup/Restore an Linux Image
Backup/Restore an Application with all it's configs
Backup/Restore application
You might want to contact Innovation Data Processing (the FDR folks).
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On Friday, 09/03/2004 at 02:23 AST, Doug Carroll
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we use Tivoli on the z/OS now but from what I've read Tivoli and VM
don't play
well.
Be that is it may, the Tivoli Storage Manager (TSM) client for Linux on
zSeries will happily talk to your TSM server on z/OS.
Alan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Backup/Restore program
On Friday, 09/03/2004 at 02:23 AST, Doug Carroll
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
we use Tivoli on the z/OS now but from what I've read Tivoli and VM
don't play
well.
Be that is it may, the Tivoli Storage Manager (TSM) client for Linux
Doug
FDR/UPSTREAM from Innovation provides file level backup/restore and system
support that uses the
OS/390 or z/OS system as the backup server.
It will allow you to :
Backup/Restore an Linux Image
Backup/Restore an Application with all it's configs
Backup/Restore application data
Taking advantage of the ATL if possible
As other people have noted, TSM under Linux will meet the stated
requirements. It will work with a 3494 ATL. However, it will not
work with tape drives inherited from a z/OS system; the Linux
TSM server only supports tape drives using the Fiber Channel
to.
Backup/Restore an Linux Image
Backup/Restore an Application with all it's configs
Backup/Restore application data
Taking advantage of the ATL if possible
leveraging the VM and z/OS as much as possible.
If I had unlimited money and could buy as much hardware and software as
I want, I'd go
Carroll/OH/ONE)
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390 Port
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 09:26:30AM -0400, Doug Carroll wrote:
Very interested in something similar as well.
We need to be able to Backup at the System level as well as perform
individual file restores of application data.
Is there a package or several packages recommended by the group for this
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 10:51, David Boyes wrote:
Bacula is appearing in the newer ones (available on Debian now, SuSE
soon, RH unknown).
Debian Sid only at the moment. One Sarge becomes stable, I think a
backport will be pretty trivial, though. If anyone feels like doing a
Sarge backport of
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 11:30:24AM -0500, Adam Thornton wrote:
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 10:51, David Boyes wrote:
Bacula is appearing in the newer ones (available on Debian now, SuSE
soon, RH unknown).
Debian Sid only at the moment. One Sarge becomes stable, I think a
backport will be pretty
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 12:16, David Boyes wrote:
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 11:30:24AM -0500, Adam Thornton wrote:
On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 10:51, David Boyes wrote:
Bacula is appearing in the newer ones (available on Debian now, SuSE
soon, RH unknown).
Debian Sid only at the moment. One
Hello,
I am interested to find a good backup/restore program that creates
IBM standard labels on Linux. I am running SLES 8.0 under z/VM 4.3.0. Does
anybody has any recommendation? Thanks.
Miguel A Roman
Systems programmer
EVERTEC, Inc
-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Miguel Román
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Backup/Restore program
Hello,
I am interested to find a good backup/restore program
that creates
IBM standard labels on Linux. I
Wolfe, Gordon W [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not the owner of VM:Backup on our machines, but it's my
understanding
that if any data on any minidisk changes, then an
incremental backup will
re-backup the entire minidisk.
That depends on how you set up your backup jobs. VM:Backup will
(as
Is there a Veritas NetBackup client for Linux?
Ray Mrohs
Smithsonian Institution
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We use VM:Backup. Gordon's comments
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