OK, so opera isn't playing by the rules...
Can I change padding: 0 to padding: 0 0?
I've gone like a madman through the site and changed all occurrences of
padding: 0 to padding: 0 0
And I assume padding: 4px would become padding: 4px 4px, correct?
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FYI: changing from...
PS: is there anything else out there other than http://www.browsercam.com
They seem to be pretty pricy
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:47:28 +1000, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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PS: is there anything else out there other than http://www.browsercam.com
They seem to be pretty pricy
Have you used that yourself?
Is anyone else using it?
If I understand it correctly, the pool gets build up till there is enough
money to buy a subscription and then that login gets shared among everyone?
Still think those prices are out of this world, they would get everyone
signing up if they
On 26/10/06, James Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would normally use a dl for this.
You still can :) Just apply the relevant class to the data's parent
object - in this case, the dd, e.g.
dtPhone:/dt
dd class=tel01234 456 789/dd
And no, you don't need to use an address element here.
Taco Fleur wrote:
PS: is there anything else out there other than http://www.browsercam.com
They seem to be pretty pricy
Depending on your needs and equipment, you may be able to set up
everything you need on your own PC for free!
Assuming you're running Windows, the following is all
Taco Fleur wrote:
Have you used that yourself?
Is anyone else using it?
If I understand it correctly, the pool gets build up till there is enough
money to buy a subscription and then that login gets shared among everyone?
No, everyone doesn't share the same login, its totally separate from
I love this quote:
The blind have more access to information than they ever had in history
- but that's only true to the extent that Web accessibility is
maintained, Danielsen said. The technology is out there, and we don't
need barriers to be put in our way. Give us a way in.
If that's not a
It's interesting how things crop up at the same time. I blogged
yesterday about screen reader software and have been discussing this
on an accessibility list also. It's not just poor websites we have to
be thinking about but rubbish screen reader software too. Yes - vive
la revolution, but not
Have you considered styling your LIs so that they sit side-by-side
within the list? Then you would have one single list, with list items
taking up 49% of the width of the list, giving the appearance of two
columns on screen, but only one physical list for accessibility.
I am sure there are many
This solution would be great, except that I need the list to remain
alphabetical *vertically*.
Have you considered styling your LIs so that they sit side-by-side
within the list? Then you would have one single list, with list items
taking up 49% of the width of the list, giving the appearance
Hi Paul
The methods I describe in this article use ems for positioning, not
pixels:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlists/
My favorite method is the last (#6). Have you found that it doesn't
survive cross-browser? I'd be interested in your findings.
I saw your example 6,
Thanks Paul,
A great read of the options for multi column lists.
You have helped another activist and cat lover trying to give up using
Tables.
Thanks
Tim
On 26/10/2006, at 7:34 PM, Paul Novitski wrote:
At 10/26/2006 01:44 AM, Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
Basically I need to show a list of
That's the thing, it seems, about Microformats. The biggest hangup at the beginning is thinking they are more complex than they are. I first thought that you had to make sure all the divs and spans and whatnot were in line with all the examples I saw.
Then I later found out that it's seriously
Yep. That's totally the trick. Just believe in the simplicity. Mark
up everything beautifully and semantically - then add in the
microformat class names. Nothing more to it - *honest*.
On 10/26/06, Adam Darowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's the thing, it seems, about Microformats. The
On Oct 26, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:
The methods I describe in this article use ems for positioning, not
pixels:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlists/
My favorite method is the last (#6). Have you found that it doesn't
survive cross-browser? I'd be interested
On 10/26/06 1:28 AM, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The issues with IE 5 Mac are dead easy to fix.
I'll go along with the 'dead' part. Again, as long as stats don't show
otherwise, It's not that uncommon for folks to drop Mac _IE_. Heck,
Microsoft did.
But Safari, Mac FF, Mac Opera
This wasn't for me, but thanks for the info all the same. Confirmation I
should say.
I saw the original question and did a little research, then found an hcard
generator via Wikipedia and I ended up thinking wow, that's a lot of divs
for an address block (kinda silly). Then I figured that was
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
I run WAMP, and when I test a php version of my test page, I get the
exact same result as in IIS.
What does PHP have to do with SSI??
Apache has an INCLUDES filter and parses SS-Includes, no?
But do you mean SSI or IIS? I'm not sure I understand that question.
I agreeI find it amusing (concerning??) that screen readers are
omitted from these discussions, like there's nothing more they can do.
Any other product out there that falls short (on any feature /
ability) gets called on it - immediately. Screen readers should be no
different, IMO.
Mike
Hassan Schroeder wrote:
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
For the sake of completeness -- i.e. terminating a thread most folks
are probably tired of :-)
It has been an interesting thread for me. I had no idea that Apache and IIS
returned different DOCUMENT_URI values when using echo in an Include...
I was just thinking yesterday... what is holding the open source community back from developing good screen reader software? There are a lot of smart people out there that obviously care about this. Is there some sort of hangup I don't know about?
Thanks,adamOn 10/26/06, Michael Yeaney [EMAIL
At 10/26/2006 05:58 AM, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
Not sure if this one's messed up on various platforms/browsers but I think
it's stable. It might yet another option for you. It's good and resizes well
in everything *I've* tested it in (including IE7). The ordering is left -
right - down,
Hello Paul,
Thanks for the feedback. I did note it was left - right - down so it was
more or less just an option for if wanting a presentational list in that
format (not sure if it's wrong or fractured per se).
That said, maybe I'll have to offer it the other way in a future experiment.
I do
on 26/10/2006 19:12 Adam Darowski said the following:
I was just thinking yesterday... what is holding the open source community
back from developing good screen reader software?
You mean like:
http://www.oatsoft.org
There are a lot of smart
people out there that obviously care about this.
At 10/26/2006 11:54 AM, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I did note it was left - right - down so it was
more or less just an option for if wanting a presentational list in that
format (not sure if it's wrong or fractured per se).
Sure -- perhaps I shouldn't have used
On 26/10/06 5:47 PM, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Taco Fleur wrote:
PS: is there anything else out there other than http://www.browsercam.com
They seem to be pretty pricy
Depending on your needs and equipment, you may be able to set up
everything you need on your own PC for
Paul Novitski wrote:
If you haven't already, please read my List Apart article
http://alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlists/. I'd love it if
you could improve on any of those techniques or come up with ones I
hadn't considered.
Hi Paul,
What about this one?: http://www.tjkdesign.com/test/
Thanks Paul,
I will for sure. Part of my learning methodology is to roll up my sleeves
and get my hands dirty so to speak, but often before doing my experiments I
do like to take a look around to see what others have done, then I try to do
things differently. To experiment. That's the fun
At 10/26/2006 04:06 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Paul Novitski wrote:
If you haven't already, please read my List Apart article
http://alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlists/. I'd love it if
you could improve on any of those techniques or come up with ones I
hadn't considered.
Hi Paul,
Ahh I see, better undo all those fixes that weren't fixes ;-)
How about giving it a height of 100%?
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http://www.christianmontoya.com/2006/09/18/revisiting-image-rollovers/
If you're talking about the Ryan Rollovers that you link to, it looks very
similar to the Gilder-Levin method which is mentioned at
http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ (dated 2004) and
was updated
On 10/26/06, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.christianmontoya.com/2006/09/18/revisiting-image-rollovers/
If you're talking about the Ryan Rollovers that you link to, it looks very
similar to the Gilder-Levin method which is mentioned at
Lol, MIR is taken... I did not know.
Mike
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From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Multi-Column List
On 10/26/06, Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 10/26/06, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10/26/2006 04:06 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Paul Novitski wrote:
If you haven't already, please read my List Apart article
http://alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlists/. I'd love it if
you could improve on
Tee, see if this is what you want:
table
tr
td class=firstsectioncolumn 1/td
td class=secondsectioncolumn 2/td
td class=secondsectioncolumn 3/td
/tr
tr class=third_section_with_two_columns
td colspan=1column 1/td
td colspan=2column 2/td
/tr
/table
You had the word
It seems keyboard focus is totally independent of mouse focus. If you first tab through a menu and then switch to the mouse and give an item focus (without clicking on the page), you will have two items in focus.
Any idea why :focus doesn't activate display:block on the sub nav?
On 10/26/06, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 10/26/06, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10/26/2006 04:06 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Paul Novitski wrote:
If you haven't already, please read my List Apart article
On 10/26/06, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
but I still don't know how image replacement is similar to image
rollovers.
Because they're *image replaced* rollovers.
Did you notice that Ryan's rollover, um, changes on roll-over?
Yes I did. All that's different from the Gilder-Levin
On 10/26/06, Stuart Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems keyboard focus is totally independent of mouse focus. If you first
tab through a menu and then switch to the mouse and give an item focus
(without clicking on the page), you will have two items in focus.
Let's not confuse
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 10/26/06, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't agree :-)
IMO, the goal should be to deliver the *cleanest* document possible,
with the least amount of structural hack, hook, etc.
In the example I posted, one can't get cleaner than that. The only
issue
Taco Fleur wrote:
Ahh I see, better undo all those fixes that weren't fixes ;-)
How about giving it a height of 100%?
If it's still Opera 9 you're trying to fix, then 'height: 100%' will
work - at least in the window-version.
Georg
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Yes, thats right. Will give this a go, thanks.
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Sent: Friday, 27 October 2006 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows
At 10/26/2006 06:31 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
IMO, the goal should be to deliver the *cleanest* document possible, with
the least amount of structural hack, hook, etc.
You mean like 40 lines of JavaScript to morph the markup of a 16-item list?
In the example I posted, one can't get cleaner
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