Re: [WSG] W3C's new Plan for HTML

2006-10-31 Thread Richard Czeiger
You make some good points Lachlan, but to be honest, http://www.alleged.org.uk/pdc/2003/xhtml2-cite.html rang very true for me Even with HTML 4's var, code, samp and kbd, we still have to use a combination of codepre for formatting as well as annoyingly having to translate and into lt;

Re: [WSG] W3C's new Plan for HTML

2006-10-31 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Richard Czeiger wrote: You make some good points Lachlan, but to be honest, http://www.alleged.org.uk/pdc/2003/xhtml2-cite.html rang very true for me That particular article is 3 years old and was referring to an old draft of XHTML 2.0. The cite element has since returned.

[WSG] Standards sites with clever use of Flash?

2006-10-31 Thread Eystein Alnaes
To the list,I'm looking for webstandards/css complaint sites with flash in them. Clever flash, flash that looks Ajaxy, heavy good actionscripting, innovative menus, generic random animation... Those sort of things. The only one I can remember, but not find again, was for an ISP (I think), had a

Re: [WSG] Standards sites with clever use of Flash?

2006-10-31 Thread Nick Cowie
The best I can offer is one that use flash for vector images and scales depending on the width of your browser window. (try a few size c=variations)http://nickcowie.com/It is a proof of concept and there are some problems anybody not using a windows flash player (ie Mac or *nix). More details

Re: [WSG] Flash is more accessible than CSS?

2006-10-31 Thread Peter Costello
First. I am a firm believer in web standards. Not just CSS but also usability and accessibility.The article is by no means comprehensive and the BBC do have a vested interest in selling their efforts at accessibility. But... I currently do a lot of flash work for the BBC on the Digital curriculam

RE: [WSG] Flash is more accessible than CSS?

2006-10-31 Thread Chris Taylor
Thanks for your input, Peter, I found that very useful. I would certainly agree with your comment: Its all about the audience! And in the case of the e-learning site you linked to (nice work, by the way, the web designers top tips are especially good) Flash is definitely the way to go. I know

[WSG] Accessibility Trustmark

2006-10-31 Thread Emma Sax
What are the Groups thoughts on trustmarks? http://www.e-consultancy.com/news-blog/361985/accessibility--are-trustmarks-the-answer.html Are they a waste of money or are they really better than in-house testing and a paragraph on how the site is accessible? Thanks Emma

RE: [WSG] Accessibility Trustmark

2006-10-31 Thread michael.brockington
This looks little better to me than an advertising piece for another (poor quality?) commercial service. I have no experience of this company, but SiteMorse are probably the leaders in this field, and have courted plenty of controversy along the way. Any testing is better than no testing,

Re: [WSG] Accessibility Trustmark

2006-10-31 Thread Tim
Bugger off Segala. These trustmarks really annoy me, Just more commerical organisations seeking to make money. Why not just use the W3C icons or the Cynthia icon tested at the page bottom? I'm not paying someone who knows less than me to rate my site. Even the RNIB See it Right logo costs

RE: [WSG] Accessibility Trustmark

2006-10-31 Thread Emma Sax
Bugger off Segala. These trustmarks really annoy me, Just more commerical organisations seeking to make money. Agreed. If a large company like O2 hadn't decided to buy into it, it would have been easier to fob off. I know I could do a better job in testing but little old me doesn't have as

Re: [WSG] Flash is more accessible than CSS?

2006-10-31 Thread Designer
Trevor Boult wrote: Hi All, Just my penneth worth. I have always said anything that needs a plugin is automaticaly un-accessable. Trevor. (the following is NOT aimed at Trevor - I am merely illustrating a point) I have always thought that anything which uses a browser is just a pain in

Re: [WSG] Standards sites with clever use of Flash?

2006-10-31 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/31/06, Eystein Alnaes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the list, I'm looking for webstandards/css complaint sites with flash in them. Clever flash, flash that looks Ajaxy, heavy good actionscripting, innovative menus, generic random animation... Those sort of things. The only one I can

Re: [WSG] Standards sites with clever use of Flash?

2006-10-31 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/31/06, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/31/06, Eystein Alnaes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the list, I'm looking for webstandards/css complaint sites with flash in them. Clever flash, flash that looks Ajaxy, heavy good actionscripting, innovative menus, generic random

Re: [WSG] W3C's new Plan for HTML

2006-10-31 Thread MarcLuzietti
Maybe if we had a trade association / union we could elect someone to represent us and pay membership dues to send the person. There've got to be at least 6-7000 standardistas who could chip in a buck. -- Marc Luzietti Flagship Project Bayview Financial, L.P. (305) 341-5624 Also, it's great

[WSG] xhtml basic - how should this fit into my web world view?

2006-10-31 Thread Justin Thorp
Hey gang, I have been doing a lot of research lately on mobile web development. I have been reading about recommendations to use XHTML - Basic because it brings a smaller set of tags with it. I don't have much experience using XHTML - Basic. I realize that this has a different DOCTYPE.

Re: [WSG] Standards sites with clever use of Flash?

2006-10-31 Thread Eystein Alnaes
I'm looking for webstandards/css complaint sites with flash in them. OK, Stylegala is the best place to look. A bunch of examples:http://www.hellgatelondon.com/https://www.widsets.com/ http://web.burza.hr/en/thanks. http://web.burza.hr/en/ was the one I was thinking of.

Re: [WSG] W3C's new Plan for HTML

2006-10-31 Thread Bruce
New W3C Member = The Web Standards Group A tought or am I nute? Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] W3C's new Plan for HTML Maybe if we had a trade

Re: [WSG] xhtml basic - how should this fit into my web world view?

2006-10-31 Thread David Dorward
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Justin Thorp wrote: Does this mean I need to make mobile version of my page with that specific DOCTYPE? How does this work? I'm yet to run across a (younger than three years) cell phone with a browser on it that was not entirely happy with my HTML

Re: [WSG] xhtml basic - how should this fit into my web world view?

2006-10-31 Thread Frances Berriman
On 10/31/06, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Justin Thorp wrote: Does this mean I need to make mobile version of my page with that specific DOCTYPE? How does this work? I'm yet to run across a (younger than three years) cell phone with a

Re: [WSG] Flash is more accessible than CSS?

2006-10-31 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
Where's the humor tag when you need it? ;^) LOL Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld Langfeldesigns On Oct 31, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Designer wrote: I have always thought that anything which uses a browser is just a pain in the butt. I switch off all styles, disable javascript, and I have no

[WSG] list-style: decimal

2006-10-31 Thread Tee G. Peng
Hi, I try to use 'list-style: decimal' for the first time. The list has some 15 items, at tenth, it goes with '0' and the following items start from 1, 2, 3... again. The W3C CSS 2 spec about list style for decimal is vague. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#lists decimal -

Re: [WSG] list-style: decimal

2006-10-31 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello Tee, Unless I'm missing something, if you want a numbered list 1-15, just use ordered list element: ol ol liList item one/li liList item two/li [...] liList item fourteen/li liList item fifteen/li /ol It'll number the list as you want without having to specify anything.

Re: [WSG] list-style: decimal

2006-10-31 Thread Tee G. Peng
On Oct 31, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: Hello Tee, Unless I'm missing something, if you want a numbered list 1-15, just use ordered list element: ol ol liList item one/li liList item two/li [...] liList item fourteen/li liList item fifteen/li /ol It'll

Re: [WSG] list-style: decimal

2006-10-31 Thread Tee G. Peng
On Oct 31, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Tee G. Peng wrote: Unless I'm missing something, if you want a numbered list 1-15, just use ordered list element: ol ol liList item one/li liList item two/li [...] liList item fourteen/li liList item fifteen/li /ol Hmmm, OL gives a 25 pixel

Re: [WSG] list-style: decimal

2006-10-31 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
You're welcome Tee. Glad I could help. Mike - Original Message - From: Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] list-style: decimal On Oct 31, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: Hello Tee,

RE: [WSG] list-style: decimal

2006-10-31 Thread Gav....
Hi, -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tee G. Peng Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2006 6:34 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] list-style: decimal Hi, I try to use 'list-style: decimal' for the first time. What

Re: [WSG] list-style: decimal

2006-10-31 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/31/06, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, OL gives a 25 pixel default space between number and the content. There isn't seemed a way to override it, this is really undesirable. You should change the margin or padding on the OL or LI, one of those settings decides the space

Re: [WSG] list-style: decimal

2006-10-31 Thread Tee G. Peng
On Oct 31, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Gav wrote: What difference does it make if you used 'list-style-type: decimal' Instead. Gav, I am glad you asked. So I changed back to UL and added 'list- style-type: decimal' to see if it makes any difference, only did I find out the list-style:

Re: [WSG] list-style: decimal

2006-10-31 Thread Tee G. Peng
What difference does it make if you used 'list-style-type: decimal' Instead. Gav, I am glad you asked. So I changed back to UL and added 'list- style-type: decimal' to see if it makes any difference, only did I find out the list-style: decimal does work for increasing number but the

[WSG] display: table causing Gecko based browsers extra space for

2006-10-31 Thread Tee G . Peng
Hi, While you are looking at my the list-style: decimal, can you also check a problem that I haven't been able to solve? I use Thierry's toggled elements. It works really nice, but if a floated div inserted, something goes wrong. I want the DL element floats around the floated box when

RE: [WSG] display: table causing Gecko based browsers extra space for

2006-10-31 Thread Carlos Carreo
makethe large of the left colum 100% From:Tee G.Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgTo:wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject:[WSG] display: table causing Gecko based browsers extra space forDate:Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:22:12 -0800Hi, While you are looking at my the list-style:

[WSG] Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?

2006-10-31 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Hi there I've just had to add a link to a site I made a little while ago, and although the stylesheet makes all links bold, this one isn't! I can't for the life of me see why - can anyone here? http://www.byronalexandercentre.com/links.html And by the way - I do know I should have made the

Re: [WSG] Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?

2006-10-31 Thread Doc
Susie,Having looked at the page I'm going to assume you're referring to the way visited links are styled, since all of the links on this page were bolded when I viewed it. The trouble, then, appears to be here: a:link { font-weight: bold; color:#003399; text-decoration: none; }a:visited {

Re: [WSG] Accessibility Trustmark

2006-10-31 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Emma Sax wrote: Agreed. If a large company like O2 hadn't decided to buy into it, it would have been easier to fob off. Didn't Segala CEO Paul Walsh actually work for O2 at some point, before setting up on his own? At the very least, he had some prior connection with them, but my memory

Re: [WSG] display: table causing Gecko based browsers extra space for

2006-10-31 Thread Tee G. Peng
On Oct 31, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Carlos Carreo wrote: make the large of the left colum 100% Hi Carlos, thank you for looking, but I apologize I do not understand which one you are referring to. The left colum I could think of is #content but I don't want it be 100% as this is a two columns

Re: [WSG] Accessibility Trustmark

2006-10-31 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Tim wrote: Why not just use the W3C icons or the Cynthia icon tested at the page bottom? I'm not paying someone who knows less than me to rate my site. Even the RNIB See it Right logo costs money. Why get sucked into a lot of commercial greed? The W3C or Cynthia badges only attest that a

Re: [WSG] display: table causing Gecko based browsers extra space for

2006-10-31 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Nov 1, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Tee G.Peng wrote: Thierry suggested adding display: table or inline-table in dd and dt. 'Inline table' doesn't solves the Safari's problem for (1) but the 'table' does, however it resulting bigger spacing (top and bottom) in Gecko based browsers. playing with