[WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread Barney Carroll
Hi all, Very occasionally I get bizarre inconsistencies with Safari display compared to other browsers. Back in the day I'd sit back, take a look at the code, go through archived bug reports and allocate the problem via deduction. Sadly these days I have my developer toolbars and DOM

RE: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread michael.brockington
Barney, I am confused by this - did you download WebKit, or some other utility? If it was just WebKit, then at least you know that the bug will be gone from a future version of Safari ! Mike -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Nov 16, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Barney Carroll wrote: Today I found this fantastic utility [http://webkit.org/]. WebKit is a terribly vague name, but I suppose 'the WebKit nightly build' about sums it up. I fired it up and went to look at my bug in question and got so distracted by its

Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread Barney Carroll
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barney, I am confused by this - did you download WebKit, or some other utility? If it was just WebKit, then at least you know that the bug will be gone from a future version of Safari ! Mike Yes, I did... And that is kind of a guilty, comforting thought; hopefully

Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread Barney Carroll
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: WebKit is the rendering engine behind Safari. What you have downloaded is a nightly build of what will be Safari 3.0 in Spring 2007. And yes, Safari 3.0 will have a WebInspector, just as OmniWeb 5.5 already has one - not a surpirse, as it uses the same WebKit

Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread Barney Carroll
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: Close Omniweb and type the following (exactly !) in a new terminal window: defaults write com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5 WebKitDeveloperExtras -bool true (one line, watch out for wrapping). And you'll see that it is still missing some panes. Fantastic! This is exactly what

RE: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread michael.brockington
Barney, Have a look at the second link on the left hand side of that site - Surfin' Safari Blog - lots of references to Apple in there. Not 100% sure of the exact relationship between WebKit and Safari releases, but I'm sure you can find out if you look (I could have sworn it was in the 'About

Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread Tom Livingston
On 11/16/06 5:48 AM, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I found this fantastic utility [http://webkit.org/]. WebKit is a terribly vague name, but I suppose 'the WebKit nightly build' about sums it up. Although I couldn't tell from your message, you might already have figured out

WebKit: '-khtml' ?!! (Was: Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector)

2006-11-16 Thread Barney Carroll
OmniWeb's inspection kit isn't fully functional yet - the search tool (great idea) doesn't work yet, and the same goes for the metrics and properties tabs. However the style viewer is incredibly useful. It specifies that it is a 'computed style' viewer - an interesting distinction. Gecko

Re: [WSG] Sliding Door Tabs

2006-11-16 Thread Barney Carroll
Tom Livingston wrote: Hello list, I am about to embark on my first Sliding Doors tab adventure. Just wondering if Doug Bowman¹s ALA articles from 2003 are the best resource for this. Are there newer updated resources? I'd say Doug's article is absolutely fine for what it does. It's entirely

[WSG] FF understands body:last-child

2006-11-16 Thread Barney Carroll
Anybody know about this? body:last-child ... {} I saw this a while back and chuckled, but today I found cause to use it. It's supposedly a hack for WebKit browsers (I don't understand how there could be any ambiguity over what the last child of the body could be, but there you go). I've seen

Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 16 Nov 2006, at 11:41:40, Barney Carroll wrote: I do know that generally it [Safari] treats the styling of forms with disdain (plus I'm using javascript on them for display purposes, oo-er). Is there any other significant 'bug' I should know about? Long, long ago - well, within

Re: [WSG] FF understands body:last-child

2006-11-16 Thread Rob O'Rourke
Barney Carroll wrote: Anybody know about this? body:last-child ... {} I saw this a while back and chuckled, but today I found cause to use it. It's supposedly a hack for WebKit browsers (I don't understand how there could be any ambiguity over what the last child of the body could be, but

Re: WebKit: '-khtml' ?!! (Was: Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector)

2006-11-16 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 16 Nov 2006, at 14:37:50, Barney Carroll wrote: -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect ...Which I have seen in effect - proprietary and usually only used in Apple sites since it is naturally not w3 css. It depends what you mean by W3C CSS. The CSS spec allows for vendor- specific extension

Re: [WSG] Sliding Door Tabs

2006-11-16 Thread Tom Livingston
On 11/16/06 10:30 AM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to embark on my first Sliding Doors tab adventure. And already IE6 pisses me off... http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/06/ The left image on the Home tab is transparent in the upper-left corner as shown. IE 6 doesn't like

RE: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread michael.brockington
On the other hand, one of the major plusses for Camino is that it is more tightly integrated with the OS than FireFox is, so it also uses the OSX form elements au-naturale. (And pays attention to the proxy settings in the OS, which is rather handy on my laptop.) I think what you really meant to

Re: [WSG] Sliding Door Tabs

2006-11-16 Thread Claudio Dias
Try using negative values on margin-right instead of margin-left On 11/16/06, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/16/06 10:30 AM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to embark on my first Sliding Doors tab adventure. And already IE6 pisses me off...

Re: [WSG] Sliding Door Tabs

2006-11-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Tom Livingston wrote: Hello list, I am about to embark on my first Sliding Doors tab adventure. Just wondering if Doug Bowman¹s ALA articles from 2003 are the best resource for this. Are there newer updated resources? From the same era: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/scalable.asp Only if

Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 16 Nov 2006, at 17:16:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad Thing(tm) Mike And there I was thinking the bt in bt.com stood for British Telecom (tm) ;-) -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/

Re: [WSG] Sliding Door Tabs

2006-11-16 Thread Tom Livingston
On 11/16/06 12:25 PM, Claudio Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try using negative values on margin-right instead of margin-left I may be implementing it wrong, but this doesn¹t seem to do what I am after. Thanks though. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph:

Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector

2006-11-16 Thread Barney Carroll
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, one of the major plusses for Camino is that it is more tightly integrated with the OS than FireFox is, so it also uses the OSX form elements au-naturale. (And pays attention to the proxy settings in the OS, which is rather handy on my laptop.) I think

[WSG] Gap in FF and Safari

2006-11-16 Thread Tom Livingston
Hello again all, On this page: http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/06/index.cfm FF (Mac anyway) and Safari are showing a gap under the header. IE (6 and 7) are looking good. Anyone see what I¹m doing wrong? Any comments on anything in general? Thanks! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia

Re: [WSG] Gap in FF and Safari

2006-11-16 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 16 Nov 2006, at 21:04:40, Tom Livingston wrote: http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/06/index.cfm In Firefox's DOM Inspector, I did the following: Remove the br class=clear / from after both navbar and header; Set float: left; on both header and navbar, to make them contain their floated

Re: [WSG] Gap in FF and Safari

2006-11-16 Thread L. Robinson
Tom Livingston wrote: On this page: http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/06/index.cfm FF (Mac anyway) and Safari are showing a gap under the header. The break tag may be to blame for that. Try putting a height on .clear in addition to line-height. lr

Re: [WSG] Gap in FF and Safari

2006-11-16 Thread Tom Livingston
On 11/16/06 4:32 PM, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remove the br class=clear / from after both navbar and header; Set float: left; on both header and navbar, to make them contain their floated elements. Bingo. Thanks! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic

[WSG] A little Friday fun

2006-11-16 Thread Darren Wood
HI people! The week is drawing to an end...many of you have had a week of nightmare code and semantic nightmares...but never fear - have a listen to this song and know that you are not alone... http://www.esanity.co.uk/podcasts/HandsToBoag.mp3 D ps - sorry if this has already been posted. --

Re: [WSG] A little Friday fun

2006-11-16 Thread Andy Woznica
Makes me wanna throw my laptop on the fire and get down.. Too some seriously accessible content. A - Andy Woznica Actofdesign http://www.actofdesign.com On 11/16/06 7:08 PM, Darren Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI people! The week is drawing to an

Re: [WSG] A little Friday fun

2006-11-16 Thread Brad Pollard
Oh, thank you! Hilarious. Lets play it at next years web directions and all hold hands. - Original Message - From: Andy Woznica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] A little Friday fun Makes me wanna throw my