Re: [WSG] CMS software

2007-01-25 Thread Aleyda Solis
Hello! If you want to compare the different CMS's features: http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ Regards, Aleyda Solis *** aleydasolis.com 2007/1/23, Kekay Olvera [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does any one can recommend me a good CMS software? Regards, Enrique | boundlessenergy.net

Re: [WSG] CMS software

2007-01-25 Thread Noah
OK...but does anyone know of a good CMS that is compliant and/or in xHTML? That would be very cool... Cheers - Noah Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, You can visite http://www.opensourcecms.com/, and try the Open Source CMS demo. ? Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:51:50

RE: [WSG] CMS software

2007-01-25 Thread Sunday John
I recommend Typo3. It's more than a CMS, it's a framework. It is currently accepted and supported by many developers with extended functionality called extensions. It is also XHTML compliant. The joy of it all is that is open source. Visit www.typo3.org http://www.typo3.org/ for more.

Re: [WSG] CMS software

2007-01-25 Thread Aleyda Solis
You can take a look at Drupal: http://drupal.org/ It is open source, a lot of templates and modules, work with compliant XHTML and CSS. Here you can see a development process done with Drupal at: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/ibm/osource/implement.html Regards, Aleyda Solis

Re: [WSG] CMS software

2007-01-25 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Noah at 01/25/07 20:31... OK...but does anyone know of a good CMS that is compliant and/or in xHTML? Remember, a CMS is only as good as its users/authors. With a perfect CMS, with styles/templates that use well-formed XHTML and CSS, the result can still be total rubbish if mis-used.

[WSG] Browser Specific Stylesheets

2007-01-25 Thread Jim Callender
Hi list, Anyone have any up to date links/resources on using alternative stylesheets, for other browsers than IE. Opera, netscape.. thanks, Jim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] Title attributes

2007-01-25 Thread Barney Carroll
Katrina wrote: Your post really reminded me of an older post that talked about this: http://www.usability.com.au/resources/ozewai2005/ May I asked which automated accessibility test? Hope that helps. Kat http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu/ - it's pretty good generally, but as with all automated tools

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility

2007-01-25 Thread Barney Carroll
Ben Buchanan wrote: It's a persistent misconception that accessibility has anything to do with the design. We all have to educate clients on this point and hope the message gets out there. Ben... You must elaborate loads on that. If you're saying that a site, no matter how terribly designed,

Re: [WSG] CMS software

2007-01-25 Thread Sam Sherlock
tidy is awesome. I agree whole heartedly with Matthew. I wrote a simple script that use tidy extension in php5 I cleaned up 100+ ugly messy documents saved from word the whole thing including setting up tidy in php5 and the script (testing etc) took under 2 hours sorry to all if I have gone

Re: [WSG] CMS software

2007-01-25 Thread Robert O'Neill
.. and search engine friendly ? Rob. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/01/2007 10:01:16 OK...but does anyone know of a good CMS that is compliant and/or in xHTML? That would be very cool... Cheers - Noah Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, You can visite

Re: [WSG] CMS software

2007-01-25 Thread Mary McIndoe
At 06:22 AM 1/25/2007, you wrote: ... and search engine friendly ? Rob. I've been using the Xoops CMS (xoops.org) for building sites now for about two years and I've been happy with both how it works and the flexibility it allows me to modify things. Though many of the themes for it are

Re: [WSG] CMS software

2007-01-25 Thread ggordon
Enrique, I have been working with a few different and very good CMS systems for quite a while. There's one that I would recommend for large websites that also require a lot of functionality, a lot of specific control, numerous different users with different rights, accessibility validation,

RE: [WSG] Title attributes

2007-01-25 Thread Steve Green
The use of hidden headings for navigation is of benefit to anyone whose user agent does not support CSS, not just screen reader users. We are seeing an increasing number of sites built that way and there isn't a downside that I can think of so perhaps it should become standard practice. Screen

[WSG] Tooltips (was: Title attributes)

2007-01-25 Thread Barney Carroll
Steve Green wrote: The use of hidden headings for navigation is of benefit to anyone whose user agent does not support CSS, not just screen reader users. We are seeing an increasing number of sites built that way and there isn't a downside that I can think of so perhaps it should become standard

Re: [WSG] Browser Specific Stylesheets

2007-01-25 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 25 Jan 2007, at 10:59:24, Jim Callender wrote: Anyone have any up to date links/resources on using alternative stylesheets, for other browsers than IE. Opera, netscape.. You should turn the problem around. It's easy to produce CSS that works for Firefox, Opera and Safari (and other

[WSG] Styling a Code Listing

2007-01-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi all, I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_a_code_listing.asp Thanks. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Tooltips (was: Title attributes)

2007-01-25 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 25 Jan 2007, at 15:03:37, Barney Carroll wrote: In particular, the new Google Image search - flashy effect, but utterly useless. Ouch, I hadn't seen that before. I completely agree: they're just pimping it out with something of no value at all. To paraphrase Chris Rock, just because

[WSG] JAWS Screen Reader Demo

2007-01-25 Thread Steve Green
We are doing another free JAWS screen reader demo (our 7th!) on the afternoon of Monday 19 February 2007. A couple of the places are already booked but there are still six left. We limit the demo to 8 people so book early. The demo starts at 1:30pm and a free light buffet is available from 12:30

Re: [WSG] Browser Specific Stylesheets

2007-01-25 Thread ~davidLaakso
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 25 Jan 2007, at 10:59:24, Jim Callender wrote: Oh, and always use strict rendering mode: some people think using quirks mode makes life easier but they're wrong - or rather, I strongly disagree :-) HTH, Nick. --Nick Fitzsimons More challenging (and some say a lot

[WSG] Google Image changes: inaccesssibility for all

2007-01-25 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
Hi, As Barney Carroll mentioned in a post to the group earlier today, Google Images has changed so that information such as image dimensions and domain is only displayed when mousing over an image. My tests in Firefox show that using the tab key to give focus to an image doesn't reveal

Does a Navigation Block *really* need to be identified as such? (was RE: [WSG] Title attributes)

2007-01-25 Thread John Foliot
Steve Green wrote: The use of hidden headings for navigation is of benefit to anyone whose user agent does not support CSS, not just screen reader users. We are seeing an increasing number of sites built that way and there isn't a downside that I can think of so perhaps it should become

Re: [WSG] Google Image changes: inaccesssibility for all

2007-01-25 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Hi, As Barney Carroll mentioned in a post to the group earlier today, Google Images has changed so that information such as image dimensions and domain is only displayed when mousing over an image. My tests in Firefox show that using the tab key to give focus to an

Re: [WSG] Google Image changes: inaccesssibility for all

2007-01-25 Thread Barney Carroll
Brian Cummiskey wrote: The majority of Google is inaccessible in some shape or form. What's one more piece going to do? I hate to sound like a fascist, but in terms of usability for sighted users with compliant browsers (I know, why would we even care?), this is the first time Google's

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Tom Livingston
On 1/24/07 6:55 PM, Andy Woznica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this issue has truly been resolved by someone I'd love to know. I have done this a few times. The only way to get it to not freak is to remove ALL hover effects along with the wmode suggestion. HTH -- Tom Livingston | Senior

Re: [WSG] Google Image changes: inaccesssibility for all

2007-01-25 Thread Barney Carroll
Barney Carroll wrote: I hate to sound like a fascist, but in terms of usability for sighted users with compliant browsers (I know, why would we even care?), this is the first time Google's eccentric attitude to standards has actually impeded my use of any of their services. The notion merits

RE: Does a Navigation Block *really* need to be identified as such? (was RE: [WSG] Title attributes)

2007-01-25 Thread Steve Green
John, I would agree that there is little or no value in providing a heading for a single list. However, we often work on sites that have thousands of pages, that have at least two levels of navigation menus and sometimes three. There are often other lists at the top of the page, such as to the

Re: [WSG] Styling a Code Listing

2007-01-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Hi all, I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_a_code_listing.asp If whitespace needs to be preserved even when CSS is off (can't remember...is it python or something that actually depends on

Re: [WSG] inaccesssibility for all

2007-01-25 Thread Designer
Barney Carroll wrote: [snip] The notion merits consideration: These incredibly 'inaccessible' services are some of the most incredibly accessed on the web. The times, they are a'changing. I've been observing (with some horror) the changing face of the web. Ebay, Google etc, Blogs

Re: [WSG] Styling a Code Listing

2007-01-25 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 25 Jan 2007, at 18:50:17, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Thierry Koblentz wrote: Hi all, I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_a_code_listing.asp If whitespace needs to be preserved even when CSS is off (can't

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Tom Livingston
On 1/25/07 1:30 PM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this issue has truly been resolved by someone I'd love to know. I have done this a few times. The only way to get it to not freak is to remove ALL hover effects along with the wmode suggestion. HTH Hover effects on the

Re: [WSG] Styling a Code Listing

2007-01-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_a_code_listing.asp If whitespace needs to be preserved even when CSS is off (can't remember...is it python or something that actually depends on having

Re: [WSG] Styling a Code Listing

2007-01-25 Thread Paul Novitski
At 1/25/2007 08:12 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_a_code_listing.asp You say, With images off, the numbering would disappear because of lack of contrast between foreground and background color. This problem wouldn't exist if you simply chose the

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Micky Hulse
Hi folks, great conversation we got going here. :) I just checked a site I did that uses suckerfish and swfObject... iBook g4 using OS 10.4 and Safari 2.0.4(419.3) The flyouts actually behave very well when the Flash is animating (no flickering or anything - perfect)... but when the Flash

RE: Does a Navigation Block *really* need to be identified as such? (was RE: [WSG] Title attributes)

2007-01-25 Thread John Foliot
Steve Green wrote: John, I would agree that there is little or no value in providing a heading for a single list. However, we often work on sites that have thousands of pages, that have at least two levels of navigation menus and sometimes three. There are often other lists at the top of

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 25 Jan 2007, at 20:44:10, Micky Hulse wrote: 2. Avoid using flyouts completely. That gets my vote. They're irritating and a usability nightmare. If clients ask for them it's our job to educate them out of such stupidity. (Just my 0.02GBP.) Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Micky Hulse
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: 2. Avoid using flyouts completely. That gets my vote. They're irritating and a usability nightmare. If clients ask for them it's our job to educate them out of such stupidity. (Just my 0.02GBP.) Hehe, mine too. At least, that is my sentiment starting last Monday when

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Al Sparber
From: Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hehe, mine too. At least, that is my sentiment starting last Monday when my boss wanted me to update our sites suckerfish-style menu so it worked in IE7... Not that that is hard, but it also had to function well in IE5/Mac/PC... Ouch... I am still working on

Re: [WSG] Styling a Code Listing

2007-01-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Paul Novitski wrote: At 1/25/2007 08:12 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_a_code_listing.asp You say, With images off, the numbering would disappear because of lack of contrast between foreground and background color. This problem wouldn't exist if

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Micky Hulse
Al Sparber wrote: http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/auto_hide/index.htm Thanks Al! Looks like some solid code, thanks for sharing! :) Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My:

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Andy Woznica
Other suggestions? Just one horrible one: Build your navigation into the offending Flash piece! It did cross my mind. Ok, I'm off to beat myself with birch twigs.. A On 1/25/07 3:44 PM, Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, great conversation we got going here. :) I just

[WSG] Re: CMS software

2007-01-25 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
Title: SilverStripe Newsletter Looking at the thread above, I see people asking for; Compliant CMS Search-engine friendly We've been developing an open-source CMS that amoung other things, is; Compliant (the templates can be as compliant as you can make them;

Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie

2007-01-25 Thread Micky Hulse
Andy Woznica wrote: Other suggestions? Just one horrible one: Build your navigation into the offending Flash piece! It did cross my mind. Ok, I'm off to beat myself with birch twigs.. LOL! Actually, good tip... and I have seen it done well (not drop-downs though): http://guilago.se/

Re: [WSG] Styling a Code Listing

2007-01-25 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:12 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_a_code_listing.asp Why the need for a background image ? http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/listing.html (the div is there to give

[WSG] css conventions

2007-01-25 Thread Michael Turnwall
I have a co-worker, that whenever he creates a class, puts div in front of it if the class is being assigned to a div. Here's an example: div.container { background-color: #fff; margin-bottom: 18px; } div.container div.container_inner { border: 1px solid #bbb;

Re: [WSG] css conventions

2007-01-25 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/25/07, Michael Turnwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a co-worker, that whenever he creates a class, puts div in front of it if the class is being assigned to a div. Here's an example: div.container { background-color: #fff; margin-bottom: 18px; } div.container div.container_inner {

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility

2007-01-25 Thread Jermayn Parker
I was enjoying this little discussion so i decided to put together some of our points and views in my blog http://germworks.net/blog/2007/01/26/attention-web-lecturers im updating it at the moment so please bear with any little problems. On 1/25/07, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] css conventions

2007-01-25 Thread Tee G. Peng
On Jan 25, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Michael Turnwall wrote: I have a co-worker, that whenever he creates a class, puts div in front of it if the class is being assigned to a div. Here's an example: div.container { background-color: #fff; margin-bottom: 18px; } div.container

Re: [WSG] Styling a Code Listing

2007-01-25 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_a_code_listing.asp Why the need for a background image ? http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/listing.html This is brilliant! Duh! I can't believe I missed

[WSG] Illinois Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator: Sign up for free user acount

2007-01-25 Thread Jon Gunderson
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Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility

2007-01-25 Thread Jermayn Parker
No need to apologise mate. I understand why you get angry as myself I agree that people should not make excusses for On 1/26/07, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Russ, the group and teachers, it was a knee jerk mental response to make that unfair statement about teachers generally. I did

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility

2007-01-25 Thread Ben Buchanan
It's a persistent misconception that accessibility has anything to do with the design. We all have to educate clients on this point and hope the message gets out there. Ben... You must elaborate loads on that. If you're saying that a site, no matter how terribly designed, is still possible to